The "The Spectacular Spider-Man" News & Discussion Thread, Part 9 (Spoilers)

[Trevor]

Originally Posted by SpideyFan914

Examples?

I don't know how true this is, but I've been told that back in the 50's and 60's when Gunsmoke and Gilligan's Island were running, both shows had the top numbers on NBC or CBS or ABC or whatever network they were on (apparently they were on the same network), but Gilligan's Island was cancelled because an network executive's wife preferred GS over GI, when the executive was forced with trimming the network's budget.

[W.C.Reaf]

Why does everyone think Disney wanted to kill the show?

Because they didn't advertise it much?

Maybe they though "hey this is already a successful show from another network, why should we pay tons for advertising when it's already a success?"

While that might not be true I just don't see the logic behind out bidding all the other networks for a show just to kill it. Plus if they really wanted to kill the show they would've done a Cartoon Network like what happened with the last FF cartoon, randomly show some episodes, stop it, start it at a random time and drop it after less than half the episodes have aired.

That did not happen. All the episodes aired in order and they even held off on the last few episodes, the ratings grabbers, for the November Sweeps. Does that sound like the logic of a network wanting to kill a show?

Just because they haven’t picked it up yet does not mean they hate it, or not want it. There could be many reasons why they haven’t ordered season 3 yet, ones that we probably will never know about unless someone has a high level insider at Disney.

Calm down with the conspiracy stuff and focus on trying to spread goodwill about the show. That’s what’s going to help now, not making wild theories that pretty much say “The show’s dead lets just give up.”

[Pepperidge]

Originally Posted by W.C.Reaf

Calm down with the conspiracy stuff and focus on trying to spread goodwill about the show. That’s what’s going to help now, not making wild theories that pretty much say “The show’s dead lets just give up.”

To be perfectly honest, I don't think that a lot of the conspiracy theories we've seen are too out there. But I do agree that fans of the show need to remain optimistic. There are many reasons why continuing TSSM is a logical business decision for all parties involved, and that is something we really need to stay focused on.

[spyke]

Maybe the reason why TSSM didn't do so well in the ratings is because TOON DISNEY/DISNEY XD, despite being in more homes then a network like NICKTOONS, is not as popular with kids as other cable kid networks are.

[marvelfan101]

Originally Posted by russttrombone

(In case anyone is wondering why this post is here and not where I originally posted it, I let me emotions get the best of me last night and posted in in the wrong thread for the topic and with some inappropriate language. My apologies.)

DXD did very little to promote the show. It didn't even appear on their website AT ALL until season 2 started airing, and even then, it took work to find it. Don't think for a second that the order in which the show navigation icons on that site appear is an accident (before downsizing, I did this for a semi-major network). Aaron Stone and Phineas and Ferb (P&F's art is ghastly), however get the royal treatment.

You're claiming that a "kiddified look" turned off...kids? I'm curious as to why Superhero Squad got bought for 65 episodes without ANY ratings to judge from? Perhaps because it's Joe Quesada's baby and he just now happens to be head of animation development? By the way, I'm completely aware that SHS is on a different network; that art style is about as kiddy as things get, but that terribly written show is pulling ratings because it's being shoved down throats (much like Aaron Stone). Reality TV should tell you that quality has little to do with anything; people will watch what they're told to watch.

Kids WB promoted the show and it broke records. DXD outbid everyone for the show, did no promotion at first, very little at best (when compared to all their other shows), and switched the time slot around several times. Why would they be a high bidder on a show then fail to push it?

It's pretty obvious what happened here. DXD bought the show knowing full well of the intentions to buy Marvel - they didn't want any non Disney/Marvel properties floating around, then they quietly let it die because it wasn't their show to begin with (network execs have egos and it's pretty common practice for them to kill a good show because they didn't have anything to do with it. They have their own projects they want to see happen). As a side bonus, they have 26 episodes of content for their new network that they can re-run the way they re-run the 1 season of Ultimate.

I can't really say what I want to say about DXD here because I don't really want to get banned for inappropriate language, so I'll end my rant now.

Disney XD has done a good job promotting it sure you might not see a commercial like every second but the same could be said for w&the x-men the raiting are good for this show better than w&the x-men according to the new dvd of the show that has just been released so I don`t know why you think Disney XD needs to do more promotting they are doing fine I think this show will do fine and get a second season Disney seem to like Spiderman I mean they got three shows with him in it on their network have faith for all we know Disney wanted Marvel to get the rights back to this show so Dsiney could produce new episodes for Disney XD themselves when they get Marvel and another thing if Disney did not have faith in this show and wanted to let it die why have a marathon of it cause they are having one on Tuesday they got like from the looks of their schedule more than 4 episodes planed to air

one last thing were does everyone keep getting that the raiting are bad from ?

[Trevor]

Originally Posted by marvelfan101

Disney XD has done a good job promotting it sure you might not see a commercial like every second but the same could be said for w&the x-men the raiting are good for this show better than w&the x-men according to the new dvd of the show that has just been released
one last thing were does everyone keep getting that the raiting are bad from ?

Could that line on the new DVD be sort of a half-truth on Disney's part just for advertising purposes. It may mean that while the show does have good ratings and is maybe one of the higher rated shows on Disney XD, someone thought that by "stretching the truth" with it getting better rating than WATXM would work for promotion of the DVD?

As for the ratings being bad, I think that comes from, what I've heard, Disney XD being a relatively minor channel in the US with not as much network share as Cartoon Network or ABC.

[russttrombone]

Originally Posted by SpideyFan914

Examples?

Off the top of my head, The Proud Family and Naruto Sippuden (well not canceled but had to move to another network to survive - surprise! DXD lol). I'll post more as I think of them. It's not just a DXD thing or an animation thing. It happens all over the industry.

Again, I'm not giving up, just slowly starting to lose hope. I really do hope that I'm wrong.

[macattack]

Do I really need to mention that EVERY Spidey series since Amazing Friends has been levelled by executive meddling and preferences? The 90's Spider-Man was brought down by disagreements between Avi Arad who produced the show and the head of Fox Kids. Unlimited was so thoroughly screwed around it wound up nothing like the adaptation of Spider-Man 2099 it was supposed to be (then Marvel going bankrupt was the kiss of death). MTV Spider-Man was shuffled around the lineup and was cancelled unceremoniously. And now this cartoon is following the same path.

Really makes you appreciate how the DCAU was able to hold together for 15 years without falling apart.

[Kaveh77]

I really doubt they hate ssm. They played the first season 1st to get new viewers and they haven't renewed it yet because they wanted to see how the finale did.

[Nygma]

Originally Posted by W.C.Reaf

Why does everyone think Disney wanted to kill the show?

Because they didn't advertise it much?

Maybe they though "hey this is already a successful show from another network, why should we pay tons for advertising when it's already a success?"

While that might not be true I just don't see the logic behind out bidding all the other networks for a show just to kill it. Plus if they really wanted to kill the show they would've done a Cartoon Network like what happened with the last FF cartoon, randomly show some episodes, stop it, start it at a random time and drop it after less than half the episodes have aired.

That did not happen. All the episodes aired in order and they even held off on the last few episodes, the ratings grabbers, for the November Sweeps. Does that sound like the logic of a network wanting to kill a show?

Just because they haven’t picked it up yet does not mean they hate it, or not want it. There could be many reasons why they haven’t ordered season 3 yet, ones that we probably will never know about unless someone has a high level insider at Disney.

Calm down with the conspiracy stuff and focus on trying to spread goodwill about the show. That’s what’s going to help now, not making wild theories that pretty much say “The show’s dead lets just give up.”

I agree that its ridiculous to think that Disney bid for SSM to kill it.

I've always maintained the belief that XD wanted SSM to be successful "ON THEIR TERMS". In other words they wanted to micromanage their success. They didn't want the show to outshine the shows "they wanted to be XD's standout shows."

[SpideyFan914]

Originally Posted by Trevor

I don't know how true this is, but I've been told that back in the 50's and 60's when Gunsmoke and Gilligan's Island were running, both shows had the top numbers on NBC or CBS or ABC or whatever network they were on (apparently they were on the same network), but Gilligan's Island was cancelled because an network executive's wife preferred GS over GI, when the executive was forced with trimming the network's budget.

Which can be dismissed as another rumor or even a conspiracy theory.

Originally Posted by russttrombone

Off the top of my head, The Proud Family and Naruto Sippuden (well not canceled but had to move to another network to survive - surprise! DXD lol). I'll post more as I think of them. It's not just a DXD thing or an animation thing. It happens all over the industry.

Again, I'm not giving up, just slowly starting to lose hope. I really do hope that I'm wrong.

Don't know about the Proud Family, but isn't Naruto Shippuden currently airing on DXD? How is that an example, then?

Originally Posted by macattack

Do I really need to mention that EVERY Spidey series since Amazing Friends has been levelled by executive meddling and preferences? The 90's Spider-Man was brought down by disagreements between Avi Arad who produced the show and the head of Fox Kids. Unlimited was so thoroughly screwed around it wound up nothing like the adaptation of Spider-Man 2099 it was supposed to be (then Marvel going bankrupt was the kiss of death). MTV Spider-Man was shuffled around the lineup and was cancelled unceremoniously. And now this cartoon is following the same path.

Really makes you appreciate how the DCAU was able to hold together for 15 years without falling apart.

MTV Spider-Man wasn't very good, though, since they restrained themselves 'cause they thought it would be canon with the movies, so it's no wonder that it was cancelled. Unlimited didn't do well either, and the "executive meddling" was all things they thought would improve the ratings (of course, they were wrong, but that's besides the point). TAS had already had 65 episodes - a limit rarely surpassed - and honestly, it feels like Semper meant for the finale to be the end - he finally fought the battle Madame Webb had been preparing him for since Season Three! In none of these cases did the network simply dislike a show.

Originally Posted by spyke

Maybe the reason why TSSM didn't do so well in the ratings is because TOON DISNEY/DISNEY XD, despite being in more homes then a network like NICKTOONS, is not as popular with kids as other cable kid networks are.

But TSSM is competing with the other shows on XD.... And it's actually one of their top rated shows....

Originally Posted by W.C.Reaf

Why does everyone think Disney wanted to kill the show?

Because they didn't advertise it much?

Maybe they though "hey this is already a successful show from another network, why should we pay tons for advertising when it's already a success?"

While that might not be true I just don't see the logic behind out bidding all the other networks for a show just to kill it. Plus if they really wanted to kill the show they would've done a Cartoon Network like what happened with the last FF cartoon, randomly show some episodes, stop it, start it at a random time and drop it after less than half the episodes have aired.

That did not happen. All the episodes aired in order and they even held off on the last few episodes, the ratings grabbers, for the November Sweeps. Does that sound like the logic of a network wanting to kill a show?

Just because they haven’t picked it up yet does not mean they hate it, or not want it. There could be many reasons why they haven’t ordered season 3 yet, ones that we probably will never know about unless someone has a high level insider at Disney.

Calm down with the conspiracy stuff and focus on trying to spread goodwill about the show. That’s what’s going to help now, not making wild theories that pretty much say “The show’s dead lets just give up.”

Exactly!

[ShockDingo]

Originally Posted by macattack

Really makes you appreciate how the DCAU was able to hold together for 15 years without falling apart.

I agree with you there, I would love to see Marvel have an expanded universe of animated properties that were connected in the way that BTAS and STAS were connected and then lead the way to JL and JLU. Marvel needs this badly.

[creativerealms]

Originally Posted by marvelfan101

Disney XD has done a good job promotting it sure you might not see a commercial like every second but the same could be said for w&the x-men the raiting are good for this show better than w&the x-men according to the new dvd of the show that has just been released so I don`t know why you think Disney XD needs to do more promotting they are doing fine I think this show will do fine and get a second season Disney seem to like Spiderman I mean they got three shows with him in it on their network have faith for all we know Disney wanted Marvel to get the rights back to this show so Dsiney could produce new episodes for Disney XD themselves when they get Marvel and another thing if Disney did not have faith in this show and wanted to let it die why have a marathon of it cause they are having one on Tuesday they got like from the looks of their schedule more than 4 episodes planed to air

one last thing were does everyone keep getting that the raiting are bad from ?

Nicktoons DOES air marvel show ads every second. But that's an extraordanary treatment. Disney XD's treatment has been standard, which is not bad at all. People just believe that a great show desurves great treatment and there fore an average treatment is "horrible" when really it's not. As for ratings they are bad compared to a channel like cartoon network but GREAT for a channel like Disney Xd which is in like twenty thousend less homes. The show apparently does better then W&tXM does on nicktoons and THAT is Nicktoons highest rated show ever.

Spectatular Spider-man might have been Doomed regardless who bought it. Chances are the being uprooted from it's first home due to that home dying (Kids WB) added with the whole second season airing in other countries before anyone bought the rights to Season two. Spectacular Spider-Man would be in this same shape regardless of where it went. Lets see if Nicktoons got the show they would treat it great, much like how they are treating other Marvel shows, only the limited homes would mean poor ratings that would not please Marvel enough to get a third season (I guess) and Cartoon network. Well there is a chance that Cartoon Network would treat it far worse then Disney XD does. look at how Cartoon Network treated their last Marvel shows, Fantastic four which never fully aired, kept getting different time slots and was just treated like crap. And SHS, which was given a poor time slot at first, jumped around alot, and got zero advertisement.

Really Spectacular Spider-man was not given the greatest treatment ever buit it was not treated horribly on Disney XD ether. They did air advertisements for the show regually, as well as a good number of reairings for each episode, special events for it and so on. Really I can name tons of shows treated far worde then Spectacular Spider-man and 75% of them aired on cartoon network, a channel which would treat third party shows like crap if they don't preform well enough.

SpideyFan914 russttrombone was talking about how cartoon network screwed over Naruto at the end and how the show (Shippuden) was saved by another channel, in this case Disney XD.