How you would improve Nick channels

[Silverstar]

Originally Posted by cartoonguy96

What happened to the Nick Rewind Channel plans and why were they scrapped?

An expert like Nick and More! can explain it better than me, but budget was a chief reason. If this proposed Nick Rewind channel would've featured Nick's live-action shows as well, then they would've had to pay the actors from those shows a royalty, which would've been expensive. (To say nothing of the 3rd party acquisition shows such as You Can't Do That on Television, which Nick either no longer has the broadcasting rights to show or would have to pay a huge sum in order to re-acquire.)

Also, as previously stated, it would've been near-impossible to draw sponsors to such a channel, as it would've contained no original programming.

[cartoonguy96]

Here's what i'd do for Nick if I was in charge:

- Scrap True Jackson V.P. It isn't too good.

- Make better shows. Give authors freedom.

- Air good shows like "Danny Phantom" and "Catdog" more

- Change Nicktoons Network into The Cartoon Channel and make it sorta like Cartoon Network. Air Cartoons from the 90s and put new, good cartoons on.

[Silverstar]

Originally Posted by cartoonguy96

- Scrap True Jackson V.P. It isn't too good.

But people are watching True Jackson, V.P. One's incentive to drop a show from a lineup should be because said show isn't doing well in the ratings, not because the guy in the big easy chair personally doesn't like it.

The problem I have with threads like this is that they inevitably degenerate into a bunch of young adults reprogramming Nick with what they personally would want to see on it, when Nick by its' very design isn't for people our age. Networks don't cater their programming according to the whims of one person. Again, that's thinking from a fan's perspective, not from a business perspective. From a business standpoint, removing a high-rated show from your channel just because you're personally not a fan of it is basically shooting yourself in the foot.

"Good" is a subjective term; the fact that people are watching True Jackson is proof positive that a sizable amount of people do find the show "good" even if you personally don't. "I don't like that show" isn't a good reason to want a show taken off the air. If you don't like a particular show, then just don't watch it.

- Make better shows. Give authors freedom.

This I agree with.

- Air good shows like "Danny Phantom" and "Catdog" more

Those shows are both over. Why give them more air time on Nick proper when a) there aren't going to be any more episodes of either and b) Nick has a whole sister channel for running canceled Nicktoons?

- Change Nicktoons Network into The Cartoon Channel and make it sorta like Cartoon Network. Air Cartoons from the 90s and put new, good cartoons on.

The Nickelodeon name is copyrighted and franchised (note how the only 2 Nick stations without the 'Nick' handle in their names, The N and Noggin, have since been rebranded as TeeNick and Nick Jr., respectively), so they're not going to take the prefix 'Nick' out Nicktoons' name, they especially wouldn't change it to a generic name that's dangerously close to the name of one of their competitors. (I don't think I have to say which one.) Nick changing Nicktoons' handle to The Cartoon Channel would basically be inviting a lawsuit from Turner/Time-Warner.

And "cartoons from the 90's and 00's plus new good cartoons" is basically what Nicktoons is doing now.

The earlier shows are run in a limited capacity on Nicktoons for a reason: they are over and past their prime, and like any other business, TV networks rely on progress and profits to stay afloat. Again, just because you personally don't enjoy the original shows on Nicktoons doesn't mean that they're unequivocally bad. The decent ratings pulled in by these shows suggest otherwise.

[podznvines]

They didn't really advertise the Nick Rewind blocks, did they? Although it's neither here nor there, those shows would work better as a Nick at Nite block or something...but, as mentioned earlier, there'd be too many royalties to pay (and hardly anyone would watch, sadly). That, and the Nick at Nite block is now a rewind for people who grew up in the 80s and 90s anyway, so it's good (I get to check up on Everybody Hates Chris *though I started college when it debuted* and Malcom in the Middle again).

Personally, the main channel could use some more variety in its live-action shows. Now granted, Nick is still the ratings powerhouse among the Big Three, but they would stand out more if all the live-action weren't kidcoms. The Troop is a step in the right direction.
(We had kidcoms too, but there were other genres on the channel to balance it out.)

By the virtue of Nick being Nick, just about anything pushed with the right amount of advertising becomes the "#1 show among kids in X time slot ".

The other channels are fine the way they are. At first, I was a bit miffed that most of the older Nicktoons are no longer on NN, but I'm waitng *patiently* for proper DVD releases (heard too many bad things about the Burn-on-Demand DVDs). If that doesn't happen, I've got recordings on my DVR.

*Cut to 10 years later and people in their late teens/early 20s complaining about bringing back Fairly Oddparents and Barnyard*

[LightSpeedBlast]

There isn't much reason to modify the Nickelodean channel. Shows like iCarly and True Jackson VIP are DO NOT WANTs but it'll be a while before they are gone. Good shows like SpongeBob and FairlyOdd Parents are still on.

The NickToons channel should have a higher emphasis on airing old school NickToons and blend it with the newer Toons.

Nick Jr. is doing fine.

As for the TeeNick channel... let's not even go there...

[Silverstar]

The NickToons channel should have a higher emphasis on airing old school NickToons and blend it with the newer Toons.

I hear this a lot, but I have yet to hear any good reasons why Nicktoons should go "old school" again other than nostalgia from folks who are outside of Nick's target audience.

Yes, it would be nice if Nicktoons aired some more of the older Nicktoons, but they don't have to do that. Not at all. The channel is receiving a sizable amount of viewers and decent ratings without airing Doug, Rugrats and Aaaaah! Real Monsters, so there's no real incentive for them to re-air these shows. Such a move would be a treat for older viewers, but it's by no means a necessity. Let's not confuse the network's needs with our personal desires.

Shows like iCarly and True Jackson VIP are DO NOT WANTs but it'll be a while before they are gone. Good shows like SpongeBob and FairlyOdd Parents are still on.

True Jackson and iCarly are currently putting butts in seats, and until they stop doing that, they won't be going anywhere. A show shouldn't have to leave the network because you personally don't enjoy it. Ignoring the shows you don't enjoy is so much easier.

Again, let's not confuse our wants with the network's needs.

[LightSpeedBlast]

Dude I typed it would be a while before they are gone

[Tommypezmaster]

Change the Weekend Dead Slots in N & NN.
Also leave room Rocko's Modern Life, Pelswick, Invader Zim, & Glenn Martin DDS

[MegaJ]

Basically, the only thing I think that needs changing is the schedule. There is way too many FOP, Spongebob, and iCarly repeats cluttering up the place and that leaves no space for anything else except on weekends. The only way I could see this remedied is finally tossing Nick@Nite and that's not going to happen anytime soon. They could put "older" series during those timeslots, say Danny Phantom, Unfaboulous, Zoey 101, All Grown Up! etc but Nick@Nite is working out well for them and I get the feeling they want those hours to be for family shows. I suppose they could make another channel for that purpose (Nick Family?) but it works for them at the moment at the regular Nick schedule's expense.

Other than that, I may not LIKE some of the shows Nick runs nowadays, but they work well for them and for kids. I would like to see more action oriented stuff and older kid stuff, but it seems like they left that for Nicktoons and TeenNick to worry about.

TeenNick seriously needs to be weaned off Degrassi's breast. This year was a disaster, they lost Instant Star and the only new series renewed was The Assistants. And it's going to be all Degrassi all the time until next year probably. I think they're still in the process of finding out what exactly works for the channel so it's probably going to be a slow learning process. South of Nowhere was just ahead of it's time (and not very good) and the other stuff just wasn't up to snuff.

Nicktoons seems to have ditched being the vault channel for Nicktoons and decided to compete with Disney XD and Cartoon Network. The action shows are good and they have good insurance with the TMNT coming after the Marvel shows go away (I bet they're wishing they bought Saban Entertainment now, hmm?). If they're going to focus on that, I would suggest making and buying more action oriented programming so the Turtles don't get lonely (I hear Class of the Titans needs a new home...) and not totally give up on the old shows and comedy.

[LightSpeedBlast]

How could that be? They just need shows that focus on large amounts of drama.

Shows like That 70s Show and Full House need to leave and go straight to TVLand now. As does The Fresh Of Bel-Air, which was on The N for a short period of time and now on Disney XD, but should go to TVLand now.

[TMC1982]

Originally Posted by MegaJ

Basically, the only thing I think that needs changing is the schedule. There is way too many FOP, Spongebob, and iCarly repeats cluttering up the place and that leaves no space for anything else except on weekends. The only way I could see this remedied is finally tossing Nick@Nite and that's not going to happen anytime soon. They could put "older" series during those timeslots, say Danny Phantom, Unfaboulous, Zoey 101, All Grown Up! etc but Nick@Nite is working out well for them and I get the feeling they want those hours to be for family shows. I suppose they could make another channel for that purpose (Nick Family?) but it works for them at the moment at the regular Nick schedule's expense.

Other than that, I may not LIKE some of the shows Nick runs nowadays, but they work well for them and for kids. I would like to see more action oriented stuff and older kid stuff, but it seems like they left that for Nicktoons and TeenNick to worry about.

TeenNick seriously needs to be weaned off Degrassi's breast. This year was a disaster, they lost Instant Star and the only new series renewed was The Assistants. And it's going to be all Degrassi all the time until next year probably. I think they're still in the process of finding out what exactly works for the channel so it's probably going to be a slow learning process. South of Nowhere was just ahead of it's time (and not very good) and the other stuff just wasn't up to snuff.

Nicktoons seems to have ditched being the vault channel for Nicktoons and decided to compete with Disney XD and Cartoon Network. The action shows are good and they have good insurance with the TMNT coming after the Marvel shows go away (I bet they're wishing they bought Saban Entertainment now, hmm?). If they're going to focus on that, I would suggest making and buying more action oriented programming so the Turtles don't get lonely (I hear Class of the Titans needs a new home...) and not totally give up on the old shows and comedy.

If it were up to me, there would only be a maximum of two airings a day per show. But it's kind of redundant at this point to talk about how the channels of Nickelodeon overexposes certain programs.

[Rho]

85% of the Degrassi airings could easily be replaced by something more deserving.

[dalekusa]

1.) Get carriage agreements that expand the channel's audience by moving it to lower packages.

2.) Acquire Fifi and the Flowertots from PBS Kids Sprout. The show is HUGE in Britain, and I don't see why it shouldn't be big in the States, either.

3.) Have more primetime premieres for preschool shows.

[Innagadadavida]

My idea of an improved Nick network would probably contradict what's popular now and would never ever happen in a million years. There's really no point in even talking about it, but I'll do it anyway.

1) Ask Hellenburg to return to Spongebob, if not, I'd take it off the air.
2) I'd remove all of the iCarly and Jonas Band; all of the current live-action kid sitcoms.
5) I would create some new live-action kid sitcoms, but I wouldn't make them cliche and use easy humor. I also wouldn't use a laugh track.
3) I'd start an afternoon action block aimed toward the 9-13 male demographic.
4) I'd pick up One Piece for the aforementioned action block.

[Rho]

.."Jonas Band"?

The only other "kid sitcom" they have running right now is True Jackson VP.

[SpongeJosh]

Dude... Jonas is on Disney. If you're thinking of the Naked Brothers Band, that's been gone and thank goodness.

[Silverstar]

Originally Posted by Innagadadavida

I'd remove all of the iCarly and Jonas Band; all of the current live-action kid sitcoms.

Um, JONAS is on Disney Channel, not Nick. Unless you meant The Naked Brothers Band, which I believe is over.

And "removing iCarly and the other live-action kid sitcoms" while they're pulling in decent ratings for the network wouldn't be improving Nick. You don't take shows off a network while they're popular and putting butts in seats. That's fine if keeping your channel afloat with money and ratings isn't a concern for you, but it's not good business.

[Innagadadavida]

Originally Posted by Silverstar

And "removing iCarly and the other live-action kid sitcoms" while they're pulling in decent ratings for the network wouldn't be improving Nick. You don't take shows off a network while they're popular and putting butts in seats. That's fine if keeping your channel afloat with money and ratings isn't a concern for you, but it's not good business.

I'm guessing you didn't read the beginning of my post. Basically, I know that. I'm just talking about how I would selfishly recreate my dream Nick channel.

[hannaho9]

Why is it that wanting classics is so wrong and won't bring in ratings? I think entertainment, good entertainment is a timeless thing. But it seems to me that in order to appease advertisers many networks have sacrifaced what their channel use to stand for, a prime example of this is TVLand, which is a shell of its former self because someone got it in their head in order to be competitive you have to have a bunch of original programming and very little if any classics. Yet I think entertainment is timeless, tell me something is it too much to believe that anyone under the age of 13 wouldn't find say loony toons, or lets go with some Nick classics here Rocko's Modern Life, or Rugrats entertaining, and enjoy watching them. I'm all for new shows, but I am with those who say these are oversaturated, there is some stuff in the Nick vault that has a timeless appeal that could be added to the line-up that could give it more variety and not look like it some old stale repeat. I would love to see shows like Rugrats return to the Nick line-up along with the newer shows such as Brainsurge, with is a great gameshow in the tradition of Doubledare, remember that one, and I don't mind ICarly or True Jackson just don't saturate the network with them. I think there are past shows that kids would still find entertaining, and they don't have to be at the expense of the newer shows, there is enough room for both to co-exist.

[Blackstar]

The problem is that there's only so many times that Nick can replay reruns of canceled shows before the folks at home start reaching for the remote to see what else is on because they've seen these same episodes of Doug, Rugrats, etc. about 200 times already. I see nothing wrong with Nick replaying some of their "classics", but running them at the expense of new and original programming would basically be shooting themselves in the foot.

Ideally, Nickelodeon should be a 75/25 mix of old and new programming, with the new shows having the higher number. Running old shows 24/7 isn't profitable. It just isn't. It it were, then Nicktoons wouldn't have had to switch to an ad-supported format.