Alternate Idea to Adult Swim Action Saturdays

[JohnCrichton]

Instead of making ASA and compromising the Adult Swim name again with loads of action anime that's not actually adult, but far more teen in nature, yet still good.... they should make the SVES equivalent of Adult Swim, like what's been done to mirror Toonami.

That way anime like Full Metal Alchemist, Chrno Crusade, Get Backers and other anime that's too mature for Toonami, but too juvenile for Adult Swim could air on a well contained and maintanted block.

More anime for us, Adult Swim keeps its adult edge and the world gets to see the awesome action of Chrno Crusade.

[Lord Dalek]

Instead of making ASA and compromising the Adult Swim name again with loads of action anime that's not actually adult, but far more teen in nature, yet still good.... they should make the SVES equivalent of Adult Swim, like what's been done to mirror Toonami.

That way anime like Full Metal Alchemist, Chrno Crusade, Get Backers and other anime that's too mature for Toonami, but too juvenile for Adult Swim could air on a well contained and maintanted block.

More anime for us, Adult Swim keeps its adult edge and the world gets to see the awesome action of Chrno Crusade.
Indeed, it would be a good place to dump .hack//DUSK whenever that shows up.

[Killtacular]

What are you talking about, JC?

AS has more than enough anime to establish a Saturday night schedule that doesn't compromise jack.

Considering it's just 3 hours repeated twice, all you need is Big O, Blue Gender, Cowboy Bebop, FLCL, Lupin the Third, and Witch Hunter Robin.

[Tienshin]

Full Metal Alchemist is awesome.... but definately not Toonami. It is infact too gruesome and consistantly sad. It's even got a tinge of horror to it. Character's named Lust, Gluttony and the other deadly sins and the central death of a child in a pretty brutal and sad way.

GREAT anime... but not for Toonami.
Totally agree...BUT, you know what CN programming block it would rock on if WS grabbed it? Yeah...that one, right there next to all the "giggity".
What's with all the speculation threads tonight?

Getbackers and Toonami? I dont see it happening. But overall, a good show...just not for kids.
As for Chrno Crusade...Nuns with Guns sounds mighty fine to me.

As for airing first run premieres on a Saturday night AS block? Bad idea. Put em where people are actually around to watch.

[JohnCrichton]

What are you talking about, JC?

AS has more than enough anime to establish a Saturday night schedule that doesn't compromise jack.

Considering it's just 3 hours repeated twice, all you need is Big O, Blue Gender, Cowboy Bebop, FLCL, Lupin the Third, and Witch Hunter Robin.
Yeah, but that's a waste of AS resources. Why air that stuff again, once per week when its already airing five days a week?

Anime fans lately seem to want material that's not really adult, but too mature for Toonami.

If you're going to put some backbone into Saturday nights, why not make it a "mature" middle ground block similar to SVES? SVES seems to be growing its own exclusives lately... why not do the same for Saturday late nights and give otakus what they want like Full Metal Alchemist and Chrno Crusade that aren't adult material, but still good?

[livingfruitvirus]

good time for img-piechart

http://www.itty-bitties.com/images/img-piechart.gif

[Killtacular]

JC, it's never gonna happen, because as I have said before, such a block would have to first pass focus testing and meet the approval of a screening of parents, just like Adult Swim.

They allowed Adult Swim because it had proper disclaimers explaining that it was not for kids, and because it wasn't for kids period.

They're NOT going to accept this "middleground" block. Regardless of whether CN would promise a disclaimer or not. Because it WOULD target their kids and ads for it WOULD run during the day. They would have a big problem with that.

Not gonna fly. Just not gonna fly.

[ClockStomper]

Saturday=Movie Night. 2 hours or less for a movie, with the other hour plus for related repeats (Or FLCL and Reign...maybe even Lupin.)

KoHD followed by Real Folk Blues parts 1 and 2? Awesome. They flow together fairly well.

[RogueMartian]

I would love for the ASA stuff to return to saturdays. Three Years ago I had time to watch cartoons every night, now I don't. Once a week would be good. And it could be longer again. 11-2. Ah, those were the days.

[Swordfish_II]

Saturday=Movie Night. 2 hours or less for a movie, with the other hour plus for related repeats (Or FLCL and Reign...maybe even Lupin.)

KoHD followed by Real Folk Blues parts 1 and 2? Awesome. They flow together fairly well.
Only if they show KoHD without any commercial breaks.

[RD!]

Boy, what a surprise... a thread by JC suggesting a random anime unrelated to the block he wants to see it on. I don't understand what logic could possibly be backing this up, I mean:
too juvenile for Adult Swim

I have a kickin' rad idea, why doesn't ASA just get an adult anime once it's become established?

[Youko Recca]

I can see Hajime No Ippo nd Get Backers on AS even though they are more along middlegrounds.

[True Noir]

good time for img-piechart

http://www.itty-bitties.com/images/img-piechart.gif
I guess this means that if most of the kids didn't watch the ratings for AS would be not as good since they are at the top.

[Killtacular]

The overall ratings for AS are irrelevent compared to how important the 18-34 demo is.

[JohnCrichton]

Boy, what a surprise... a thread by JC suggesting a random anime unrelated to the block he wants to see it on. I don't understand what logic could possibly be backing this up, I mean:

No idea what you're trying to say there, but... whatever.


I have a kickin' rad idea, why doesn't ASA just get an adult anime once it's become established?
That's all "kickin' rad" and everything, but why not just air that adult anime on Adult Swim?

The Saturday block would mean more anime for everyone and the excellent middle ground stuff. There's a block for the best in kids, there's a block for the best in adult, but all the excellent middle ground stuff.... not so much yet.

[JohnCrichton]

JC, it's never gonna happen, because as I have said before, such a block would have to first pass focus testing and meet the approval of a screening of parents, just like Adult Swim.

They allowed Adult Swim because it had proper disclaimers explaining that it was not for kids, and because it wasn't for kids period.

They're NOT going to accept this "middleground" block. Regardless of whether CN would promise a disclaimer or not. Because it WOULD target their kids and ads for it WOULD run during the day. They would have a big problem with that.

Not gonna fly. Just not gonna fly.Hm, I hear that. But why not just focus it at the adult demographic like AS? It'd more than likely pass that focus group.

SVES is a once a week "all the extra stuff" animation block for kids, that's not Toonami. Why not have an "all the extra stuff" animation block on Saturday for "adults", but have it geared toward all the stuff that's not actually adult in nature or theme, but too mature for the kid audience.

That way you can air stuff that's juvenile like Gad Guard and Full Metal Alchemist, but is for mature audiences without mislabling it Adult, on an Adult Swim block.

I see where the confusion is coming in. I don't mean a block for the middle ground demographic. I meant a block of middleground stuff, for the adult demographic.

[RD!]

That's all "kickin' rad" and everything, but why not just air that adult anime on Adult Swim?


There aren't enough elipses in the world to suit the reply that comment deserves...

[JohnCrichton]

There aren't enough elipses in the world to suit the reply that comment deserves...
That's great, Strawberry Jam.... :rolleyes:

[Killtacular]

Why not have an "all the extra stuff" animation block on Saturday for "adults", but have it geared toward all the stuff that's not actually adult in nature or theme, but too mature for the kid audience.
Sorry, not falling into your trap. You want me to say "Why not just call it Adult Swim" so that you can say "Why not just call SVES Toonami?". Too bad, you failed. I know you hate SVES but the process of the (re)creation of ASA is different from how SVES came to be. WS specifically asked for an adult swim block on Saturday night, and were given permission.

SVES was made because NOONE had dibs on Saturday night when ASA was discontinued. CN and WS debated several options, one of which included Toonami, but the final decision was SVES. Toonami was never given access to Saturday nights only to have it revoked. No reversed decision, none of that ********. Toonami SHOULD have asked to have a block on Saturday nights back in November when ASA was announced to be cancelled. Not waited until it was too late.

[Beat]

The overall ratings for AS are irrelevent compared to how important the 18-34 demo is.
That demo has scored us sponsors like the U.S. army, gum, among other prime commerical times. More Adult Swim couldn't hurt, even if it was reruns.

[JohnCrichton]

Sorry, not falling into your trap. You want me to say "Why not just call it Adult Swim" so that you can say "Why not just call SVES Toonami?". Too bad, you failed. I know you hate SVES but the process of the (re)creation of ASA is different from how SVES came to be. WS specifically asked for an adult swim block on Saturday night, and were given permission.

No trap laid, Matt. I don't do manuevering debate... that's stupid. :rolleyes: I do discussion. What I was saying is that I do like Adult Swim to stay Adult Swim and not "Kids Action Animation Uneditted" Swim.

Yeah, I hate SVES, but I do see its purpose. With it they do have a solid and easily made block of "everything else". They've a place to showcaase Yu Gi Oh, Jackie Chan Adventures, .Hack, and a load of others that just don't fit Toonami, but to some are infact good.

So why not the same for late night Saturdays? Show some more good stuff that's not quite Adult Swim, but still good and too mature for Toonami.


SVES was made because NOONE had dibs on Saturday night when ASA was discontinued. CN and WS debated several options, one of which included Toonami, but the final decision was SVES. Toonami was never given access to Saturday nights only to have it revoked. No reversed decision, none of that ********. Toonami SHOULD have asked to have a block on Saturday nights back in November when ASA was announced to be cancelled. Not waited until it was too late.
From what I've heard tho, SVES, Adult Swim and Toonami are actually made all by the same source. Only each has the same mission statement. So, while I think you think I'm trying to zing Adult Swim like Toonami got "zinged", but all I'm actually doing is admitting that SVES does have a purpose and a good one and a more mature SVES could serve the purpose for Adult Swim that SVES does to Toonami.

[Nobuyuki sama]

How does Jackie Chan not fit Toonami?

[Anime Guy]

What I was saying is that I do like Adult Swim to stay Adult Swim and not "Kids Action Animation Uneditted" Swim.And what would you consider "kids action," and furthermore, how can something be unedited and for kids?

How does Jackie Chan not fit Toonami?cus archaeology clashes with the whole "action" theme

[Nobuyuki sama]

cus archaeology clashes with the whole "action" theme'Tis teh f unny. ;)

[livingfruitvirus]

And what would you consider "kids action," and furthermore, how can something be unedited and for kids?
Dragon Ball unedited is for kids.

[10 char, even with a quote. damn]

[William C. Maune]

From what I've heard tho, SVES, Adult Swim and Toonami are actually made all by the same source. Only each has the same mission statement.

While Toonami and Adult Swim are from Williams St. and they do have a hand in SVES, I haven't seen much to indicate that they actually do much SVES. They don't control the programming, the packaging is outsourced and I haven't seen anything to indicate that Williams St. came up with the idea for the packaging. Plus, when the Adult Swim cards recently had the "floorplans" of where all the crap takes place in the Williams St. building, I don't believe SVES was anywhere on there.

[Jaguar]

I see where the confusion is coming in. I don't mean a block for the middle ground demographic. I meant a block of middleground stuff, for the adult demographic.What....the...hell? :confused:

[JohnCrichton]

"Kids" action is Full Metal Alchemist, Full Metal Panic or Chrno Crusade, at least in Japan. It's action packed and juvenile like a PS2 game or something. They've mature themes, but aren't adult.

Most folk of the 18-34 set love those shows, but know full well they aren't adult entertainment in the style of anime such as Cowboy Bebop, Witch Hunter Robin or REIGN.

There's alot of middle ground anime that's good stuff, but doesn't belong on Adult Swim or Toonami. My suggestion was a block for that kind of stuff.

[Obi]

He means "a block targeted towards adults, but with middleground shows."

[JohnCrichton]

While Toonami and Adult Swim are from Williams St. and they do have a hand in SVES, I haven't seen much to indicate that they actually do much SVES. They don't control the programming, the packaging is outsourced and I haven't seen anything to indicate that Williams St. came up with the idea for the packaging. Plus, when the Adult Swim cards recently had the "floorplans" of where all the crap takes place in the Williams St. building, I don't believe SVES was anywhere on there.
Ah. Thought I saw in a recent interview from Sean that SVES was their doing.

[Animation Otaku]

While Toonami and Adult Swim are from Williams St. and they do have a hand in SVES, I haven't seen much to indicate that they actually do much SVES. They don't control the programming, the packaging is outsourced and I haven't seen anything to indicate that Williams St. came up with the idea for the packaging. Plus, when the Adult Swim cards recently had the "floorplans" of where all the crap takes place in the Williams St. building, I don't believe SVES was anywhere on there.
They don't control the programing of Toonami either. They just make suggestions for series to acquire, and do the packaging.

[Artimus Gigan]

"Kids" action is Full Metal Alchemist, Full Metal Panic or Chrno Crusade, at least in Japan. It's action packed and juvenile like a PS2 game or something. Somthing does not belong in that sentence boys and girls, can you guess what it is?
Playstation 2

Anyways it's culture shock i'd say, T.V. standards are different in both countries...

[Jaguar]

He means "a block targeted towards adults, but with middleground shows."
That doesn't make a trickling veneer of sense.

[NewLib]

The problem with the middle-ground (11-18) is that they are the worst age group for viewership. They just dont watch TV as much as the other viewerships. Thats why there isnt much aimed at them.

[Youko Recca]

Don't you mean 12-17

[Beat]

So why worry about them then?

Adult Swim should air on Saturdays for actions. It's the logical thing to do.

[Youko Recca]

air middle ground stuff on ASA,stuff like Hajime No Ippo?

[Killtacular]

What? Chrno Crusade is not "juvenile", simply because it's lighter than other shows. Plus, it airs in Japan at 4 AM. That's not an hour accessible to kids or teens. Especially considering how strict the education system is over there.

If you're not debating about SVES, then this thread makes no sense. "I don't want to have Adult Swim on Saturday nights, but there should be an Adult Swim on Saturday nights." :confused:

[Animation Otaku]

He thinks a block targetted towards adults airing middleground shows is different than AS airing middleground shows.



..........Yeah.:confused:

[Beat]

He thinks a block targetted towards adults airing middleground shows is different than AS airing middleground shows.



..........Yeah.:confused:
Why confuse? Why?

[Anime Guy]

[10 char, even with a quote. damn]Ok. You really owned me there.

He thinks a block targetted towards adults airing middleground shows is different than AS airing middleground shows.



..........Yeah.:confused:Yeah. IMO, any anime that needs a huge amount of editing to air on Toonami should be on AS. Sorry to bring this up again, but RK is one of those. Kid friendly anime and shows like Justice League which are naturally Y7 should be on Toonami. Keep in mind these are just my thoughts on the matter, but I think it makes sense.

[Aurochs]

Christ, this is a lot of crap. OK, might as well state my opinion in nice bracket form.


SVES was pointless. It didn't serve a coherent need or network niche. It was just a Toonami runoff with a vague scheduling motif a sloppy thrown-together packaging. Granted, I'm not a ten-year-old kid (or emotionally immature young adult) who's interested in the Jackie Chan cartoon, Yu-Gi-Oh or G.I Joe, but I still want to say that it was pretty irritating and the only worthwhile thing on the block was the Boomeraction that they played in the late morning, and they got rid of that for some reason
If the authoritarian S&P won't let risqué anime on a children's block, or a "middle ground block", why not just put potentially juvenile shows with adult content and general appeal on Adult Swim? All of this demographic/bureaucrat **** irritates the hell out of me. This is supposed to be an art form. Why not just show Japanese shows that are of good quality?
JohnCrichton is full of crap. He knows not what he's talking about.
Just because Williams Street could fill Saturday Adult Swim with over-saturated anime reruns doesn't mean they should. I am a bit tired of seeing the same Inuyasha episode over and over. I'm an anime fan and I'm a bit tired of Adult Swim's product. A new anime every 8 months, that's censored for content, for time, has either it's OP, ED, or eyecatchers and preview removed, and is repeated to hell. Either that our they in a Non-Euclidian fashion send a mature anime to Toonami where it's butchered, and targeted towards 7 year olds who lose interest in it after three episodes and is labeled a failure and replaced by 200 episodes of DragonBallH. I'll always watch the comedy on AS, but I'm seriously considering going somewhere else for my anime. Look at all the options; Over-priced DVDs, piracy...uhh...anyway, instead of having 50 Toonzone nerds verbally masturbate and yell at each other over whether or not an anime is too risky, Adult Swim should just throw anime on the air, and if they fail, they fail. And what is failure? Someone likes everything. Cable companies should stop serving to the lowest common denominator.
Who are the 55+ year olds watching Cartoon Network? Senile 80-year-olds who think The Smurfs are their mothers?
If Matt Wilson can say ****, why can't I?

[livingfruitvirus]

If the authoritarian S&P won't let risqué anime on a children's block, or a "middle ground block", why not just put potentially juvenile shows with adult content and general appeal on Adult Swim? All of this demographic/bureaucrat **** irritates the hell out of me. This is supposed to be an art form. Why not just show Japanese shows that are of good quality?
that's not how television works, buddy. if it's such an art form, it can go on an "art" channel like International Channel or Bravo.

[Aurochs]

that's not how television works, buddy.
Yes, I'm criticizing how it works.

And denying that a television show is an artform is asinine.

[JohnCrichton]

JohnCrichton is full of crap. He knows not what he's talking about.


How mature of you. Eh... when a discussion turns to slinging personal insults, that's just not worth my time. I'm checking out of this thread.

[Anime Guy]

A new anime every 8 months, that's censored for content, for time, has either it's OP, ED, or eyecatchers and preview removed, and is repeated to hell.Sucks, don't it?

Either that our they in a Non-Euclidian fashion send a mature anime to Toonami where it's butchered, and targeted towards 7 year olds who lose interest in it after three episodes and is labeled a failure and replaced by 200 episodes of DragonBallH.Don't tell me, someone else is actually complaining about YYH being moved to Toonami?
If Matt Wilson can say ****, why can't I?Because he knows how to bypass the censor.

How mature of you. Eh... when a discussion turns to slinging personal insults, that's just not worth my time. I'm checking out of this thread."It is said that you must take the good with the bad."

[Sketch]

While this is a nifty idea I don't see it happening, and furthermore I don't want to watch a long series one episode a week. I have enough shows I have to do that for... TMNT, Shaman King, Sonic X, Smallville, Line of Fire, Dragonball GT, Teen Titans, Zoids Fuzors, etc. Its okay for short series but long ones will take an incredibly long ammount of time and then when the reruns hit (and they will) it will be horrible having the show on once a week.

I still think the best time for a middle ground block is from 10-11 or from 9-11 on weekdays before Adult Swim.

[William C. Maune]

Ah. Thought I saw in a recent interview from Sean that SVES was their doing.

Here is the quote from the Sean Akins interview: "We make the packaging and promotion for the SVES." Since then we have learned that the packaging is outsourced and when it comes to promotion, there aren't actually that many different promos compared to Toonami or Adult Swim. Especially if we consider that Teen Titans and Justice League promos would have happened with or without SVES.

[William C. Maune]

They don't control the programing of Toonami either. They just make suggestions for series to acquire, and do the packaging.

While Williams St. doesn't have any control over the SVES programming, they seem to at least have an influence over the Toonami programming beyond acquisitions and such. They don't have the final say in what airs on Toonami, but I believe their suggestions and recommendations carry some weight.

[Beat]

Christ, this is a lot of crap. OK, might as well state my opinion in nice bracket form.

SVES was pointless. It didn't serve a coherent need or network niche. It was just a Toonami runoff with a vague scheduling motif a sloppy thrown-together packaging. Granted, I'm not a ten-year-old kid (or emotionally immature young adult) who's interested in the Jackie Chan cartoon, Yu-Gi-Oh or G.I Joe, but I still want to say that it was pretty irritating and the only worthwhile thing on the block was the Boomeraction that they played in the late morning, and they got rid of that for some reason
True. True.


If the authoritarian S&P won't let risqué anime on a children's block, or a "middle ground block", why not just put potentially juvenile shows with adult content and general appeal on Adult Swim? All of this demographic/bureaucrat **** irritates the hell out of me. This is supposed to be an art form. Why not just show Japanese shows that are of good quality?
That's a question I've been asking for a while.




JohnCrichton is full of crap. He knows not what he's talking about.
Toonami fanboyism.



Just because Williams Street could fill Saturday Adult Swim with over-saturated anime reruns doesn't mean they should. I am a bit tired of seeing the same Inuyasha episode over and over. I'm an anime fan and I'm a bit tired of Adult Swim's product. A new anime every 8 months, that's censored for content, for time, has either it's OP, ED, or eyecatchers and preview removed, and is repeated to hell. Either that our they in a Non-Euclidian fashion send a mature anime to Toonami where it's butchered, and targeted towards 7 year olds who lose interest in it after three episodes and is labeled a failure and replaced by 200 episodes of DragonBallH. I'll always watch the comedy on AS, but I'm seriously considering going somewhere else for my anime. Look at all the options; Over-priced DVDs, piracy...uhh...anyway, instead of having 50 Toonzone nerds verbally masturbate and yell at each other over whether or not an anime is too risky, Adult Swim should just throw anime on the air, and if they fail, they fail. And what is failure? Someone likes everything. Cable companies should stop serving to the lowest common denominator.
You know how to break the reality cost curse? I'd like to hear it. Turner cares about the bottom line, not what makes people happy.





Who are the 55+ year olds watching Cartoon Network? Senile 80-year-olds who think The Smurfs are their mothers?
Maybe they can't sleep, and end up watching old toons.



If Matt Wilson can say ****, why can't I?

Circumventing the sensor. "****" is accessed by fooling the censor using the color pallets. Write "sh", set the color to black (or whatever color the text is) and then finish.

[Aurochs]

No, I know how to bypass the word filter in order to say "****" on this forum, that's old news. I was just under the impression that if I did, I'd get my ass banned.

[Beat]

Not here. Sin thy ass off.

[Pimmelmann]

Who are the 55+ year olds watching Cartoon Network? Senile 80-year-olds who think The Smurfs are their mothers?


My mother, 57, watched The Big O because she thought it sounded interesting.

[Jaguar]

Aurochs just won this whole thread.

My mother, 57, watched The Big O because she thought it sounded interesting. There are so many lewd respones I could use for that, but I won't. I will not.

[GTOnizuka]

If they really wanted to attract senior citizens for another target for ratings, they should make an animation about a gameshow such as The Price is Right. Then have life insurance/medicare commercials for backing.

Sometimes in war you have to do whatever it takes. This is AS and i was just kidding.:p