What Pioneer should have done with Lupin

[Lord Dalek]

I was thinking about this last night and I was wondering why didn't Pioneer elect to do the first season of Lupin instead of jumping into the second. It's got several major selling points the second series didn't have.

A: It's much, much shorter, dubbing would be done by now.

B: Hayao Miyazaki, the name itself guarantees high sales and ratings.

C: Lack of DBZ-itis, that feeling newbies have that the first episode looks like the middle of the series.

D: Darker content, the first ten episodes alone are far more Adult Swim-ish then most of series II.

The only truly bad thing about Season 1 is it lacks Yuji Ono's music, but we can live with that. The first year of Lupin definetly should have gone to AS, this way a decent sized audience could have been summoned up for Series 2.

[Jimmy Kustes]

It prolly has even older animation but if they marketed it as "where Hayao Miyazaki got his start. The Oscar-winning creator of Princess Monoke and Spirited Away. The most famous and profitable filmmaker Japan has ever seen is coming to Cartoon Network for the first time. Lupin the 3rd"

Why don't they just move Lupin to TCM?

[Lord Dalek]

It prolly has even older animation but if they marketed it as "where Hayao Miyazaki got his start. The Oscar-winning creator of Princess Monoke and Spirited Away. The most famous and profitable filmmaker Japan has ever seen is coming to Cartoon Network for the first time. Lupin the 3rd"

Why don't they just move Lupin to TCM?
Actually, the quality of the Animation is more or less on the same level as Series II. Series III, however, is a different matter altogether.

[Lord Dalek]

I don't think it would have made a difference. Lupin is episodic. It does not require viewers to watch the series from the beginning to understand the characters or plot; people can start watching from anywhere in any series (or movie or OVA or TV special) without any problem.
That's not entirely true. Some episodes of Lupin are continuations of previous installments (exp: Return of Pycal OVA) that wouldn't make a heap load of sence unless you've watched said corresponding episode.

[Swordfish_II]

That's not entirely true. Some episodes of Lupin are continuations of previous installments (exp: Return of Pycal OVA) that wouldn't make a heap load of sence unless you've watched said corresponding episode.
The racing episode in Series II makes more sense now that I've seen the first episode of the first Series.

[Killtacular]

EH. In the end run nothing is really lost by not airing the first series. Mr. X is such a generic villain that it doesn't really matter if we've seen the original episodes with him, especially because he explains it all for you anyway.

It's not like they ran series 1 marathons in Japan before series 2's premiere or anything. A lot of people tuning into the second series in Japan were complete newbies to the franchise. Their hands weren't exactly held in the process, so why should ours?

Only children and stupid people would be confused by the plot of a Lupin episode.

[Lord Dalek]

It's not like they ran series 1 marathons in Japan before series 2's premiere or anything.
Actually, you're quite wrong. The original lupin series (like Star Trek and Gundam) tanked back in 1971. Only after the series went into reruns attracting the large audience it should have had in the first place did TMS begin work on ANLT3RD.

[Sisto Kid]

Actually, you're quite wrong. The original lupin series (like Star Trek and Gundam) tanked back in 1971. Only after the series went into reruns attracting the large audience it should have had in the first place did TMS begin work on ANLT3RD.

Well, maybe history is repeating itself. Maybe LT3 has to crash and burn here too before it finds the mass audience it deserves. ;)
(Yeah, I know, but one can dream, right?) :sad:

[Lord Dalek]

Well, maybe history is repeating itself. Maybe LT3 has to crash and burn here too before it finds the mass audience it deserves. ;)
Well there's that live action movie on the horizon. Maybe that'll get people to watch/buy.

[RedTail]

B: Hayao Miyazaki, the name itself guarantees high sales and ratings.
The '71/'72 series had three different directors. Miyazaki did some of the later episodes which are more humorous while still maintaining that dark vibe you get from the first half of the series.

The only truly bad thing about Season 1 is it lacks Yuji Ono's music, but we can live with that.
A lot of people complain that the music is bad, but I think Charlie Kosei's music has it's own charm to it. I really love the ending theme.

Actually, the quality of the Animation is more or less on the same level as Series II. Series III, however, is a different matter altogether.
I think it's superior in some respects. The character designs for instance look a lot better, especially Fujiko.

EH. In the end run nothing is really lost by not airing the first series. Mr. X is such a generic villain that it doesn't really matter if we've seen the original episodes with him, especially because he explains it all for you anyway.
Mr. X appears only once in the first series. The rest of the show's villians are from chapters of the manga and some original ones. While not technically a villian, my favorite would have to be the French inspector who visits Japan w/ some of Lupin I's personal items and dares Lupin III to steal them. The results are absolutley hilarious.

[ClockStomper]

It wouldn't have killed them to do a digital remastering of the series. Even that hole-in-the-wall "flubing" studio DiC could have it done, so why not the much bigger Pioneer? I don't think it would look all that different from Kikaider if the video wasn't so grainy and the colors weren't all faded.

[Lord Dalek]

It wouldn't have killed them to do a digital remastering of the series. Even that hole-in-the-wall "flubing" studio DiC could have it done, so why not the much bigger Pioneer? I don't think it would look all that different from Kikaider if the video wasn't so grainy and the colors weren't all faded.
Yamato Video in Italy has done some restoration work on the series already and from what I've seen it looks very good.

[Artimus Gigan]

Yes they really need to remaster Lupin, I mean look what theya re doing with Robotech, a series that was a cut and paste version of Macross(yet a very interesting editing job though, certainly not bad), I mean apperances and first impressions are important, Lupin appeared to the majority who didn't even know what it was, and when comared to most of the shows on AS, well it showed it's age.

[Dogasu]

Well, maybe history is repeating itself. Maybe LT3 has to crash and burn here too before it finds the mass audience it deserves. ;)
Unfortunately, history didn't repeat itself with the original Mobile Suit Gundam (and THAT was digitally restored, no less!) so the chances of Lupin III doing the same is slim to none.

[Lord Dalek]

Unfortunately, history didn't repeat itself with the original Mobile Suit Gundam (and THAT was digitally restored, no less!) so the chances of Lupin III doing the same is slim to none.
MSG was a victim of bad timing, not low ratings.

[Dogasu]

MSG was a victim of bad timing, not low ratings.
All the evidence points to the cancellation of the show due to low ratings, not September 11th. If it was taken off for the latter reason, it would have come back to Toonami and would have had the final four episodes aired (like Zoids: Chaotic Century). Sure, it later aired on Adult Swim Action, but that was only aired as a filler show and didn't even air half the episodes.

[Lord Dalek]

All the evidence points to the cancellation of the show due to low ratings, not September 11th. If it was taken off for the latter reason, it would have come back to Toonami and would have had the final four episodes aired (like Zoids: Chaotic Century). Sure, it later aired on Adult Swim Action, but that was only aired as a filler show and didn't even air half the episodes. PROVE IT!!!!

[Dogasu]

PROVE IT!!!!
Prove that it was cancelled because of September 11th :D

[Lord Dalek]

Prove that it was cancelled because of September 11th :DNo, prove that September 11 was just an excuse to get rid of it. I think we all need to know.

[Lord Dalek]

Before this thread is locked, let me point out that Mobile Suit Gundam was taken off the air because of September 11. The perils of war plot is not appropriate when the nation has been attacked and on the verge of going to war.

But, apparently the ratings were so low that it would have been taken off after its first run ended anyway. All September 11 did was take it off the air slightly earlier.

Not that Cartoon Network has had much success with any Mobile Suit Gundam series, save Mobile Suit Gundam Wing. Whattaya talkin about? G Gundam got at least three runs, and you're right we should get back on subject. This is Lupin, damnit not Gundam.

[Lord Dalek]

Uhhh, that's Mobile Fighter Gundam, not Mobile Suit Gundam? :D

Back on topic...

If Williams Street is still interested in making Lupin a major property in the United States, it should pick up some of Funimation's Lupin movies, OVAs, and TV specials for the upcoming Saturday movie night. They don't look so dated and are more actiony (and less silly) than the second TV series, which might go over better with the anime fans who watch Adult Swim.
The main problem with this is that all of the specials Funimation has dubbed have (to put it lightly) sucked. I would think that a deal with Manga for Castle of Cagliostro would be a good idea however.

[Lord Dalek]

The Castle of Cagliostro doesn't look much better than the second TV series. Lupin fans may say that it's the best Lupin movie ever, but the dated appearance would turn people off.

Gotta go with something more recent.
Ok, but we'll have to wait for Walther PPK or whatever Funi calls it. Oh and Cagliostro looks a million times better then the portion of series II we've seen. The latter portion of the show does make the film look par for the course however.

[Dogasu]

No, prove that September 11 was just an excuse to get rid of it. I think we all need to know.
Nobody knows for sure, since nobody's come out and given a real reason for why the show was cancelled, so the following is just a bunch of theories.

The show was canned four episodes before the end of the series because of the September 11th attacks. What little we had heard about the ratings beforehand was that they were doing better than Sean Akins expected, but that's a really vague and ambigious statement, isn't it? So anyway, 9-11 comes, MSG is taken off the air, the episode of DBZ with the burning building is banned, three episodes of Cowboy Bebop are banned, the Rowdyruff Boys episode of the Powerpuff Girls is banned, etc. etc.

Now, after some time had passed, these bans had been lifted--the three Cowboy Bebop episodes were put back into the line-up as early as the second run, the DBZ episode is shown during that saga's second run, and the Rowdyruff Boys episode is unbanned. In addition, as early as November 2001 (a mere two months after the attacks), the network premiered Gundam 0080, which tends to tackle the issue of war a lot more than your Gundam Wing or your G-Gundam. Gundam 08th MS Team, which premiered the same day as MSG, was aired a few more times after the 11th. Obviously, the network had recovered from the post 9/11 censorship.

Despite all this, MSG never returned to Toonami. Now, if the ratings weren't bad, then why didn't the show return when all those other shows returned/premiered after 9/11? It was already pretty much assumed that the show wouldn't pull in the ratings due to it being so old, and there were no ratings report to contradict that belief. And even if the ratings were decent, it most likely would have been a Rurouni Kenshin-type situation, where most of the ratings came from older viewers instead of the 6-11 group that the block needs to stay alive.

The truth is is that the show would have failed even if the 9/11 attacks never occurred. Bad timing had nothing to do with the show's demise.

[Lord Dalek]

Nobody knows for sure, since nobody's come out and given a real reason for why the show was cancelled, so the following is just a bunch of theories.

The show was canned four episodes before the end of the series because of the September 11th attacks. What little we had heard about the ratings beforehand was that they were doing better than Sean Akins expected, but that's a really vague and ambigious statement, isn't it? So anyway, 9-11 comes, MSG is taken off the air, the episode of DBZ with the burning building is banned, three episodes of Cowboy Bebop are banned, the Rowdyruff Boys episode of the Powerpuff Girls is banned, etc. etc.

Now, after some time had passed, these bans had been lifted--the three Cowboy Bebop episodes were put back into the line-up as early as the second run, the DBZ episode is shown during that saga's second run, and the Rowdyruff Boys episode is unbanned. In addition, as early as November 2001 (a mere two months after the attacks), the network premiered Gundam 0080, which tends to tackle the issue of war a lot more than your Gundam Wing or your G-Gundam. Gundam 08th MS Team, which premiered the same day as MSG, was aired a few more times after the 11th. Obviously, the network had recovered from the post 9/11 censorship.

Despite all this, MSG never returned to Toonami. Now, if the ratings weren't bad, then why didn't the show return when all those other shows returned/premiered after 9/11? It was already pretty much assumed that the show wouldn't pull in the ratings due to it being so old, and there were no ratings report to contradict that belief. And even if the ratings were decent, it most likely would have been a Rurouni Kenshin-type situation, where most of the ratings came from older viewers instead of the 6-11 group that the block needs to stay alive.

The truth is is that the show would have failed even if the 9/11 attacks never occurred. Bad timing had nothing to do with the show's demise.
It's over Dogasu, we've moved on. Come and join the party.

[RedTail]

The Castle of Cagliostro doesn't look much better than the second TV series. Lupin fans may say that it's the best Lupin movie ever, but the dated appearance would turn people off.

Gotta go with something more recent.
It's definatley one of the best portrayls of Lupin, the animation isn't that bad, and it's directed by Miyazaki. I'm sure it would do pretty well. Besides, the more recent stuff that's been released in the US so far isn't all that good.

The real question is, would CN even be able to get its hands on Cagliostro? Manga is a wreck anymore and securing a deal w/ them might pose some problems.

[Dogasu]

It's over Dogasu, we've moved on. Come and join the party.
I had an incoming phonecall, and by the time I got back on and was able to post my reply, all these other replies had been posted.

Excuse me for having to use dial-up to connect to the Internet :rolleyes:

[RedTail]

I'm actually going to have to agree w/ Dogasu... *shivers*

[Lord Dalek]

The real question is, would CN even be able to get its hands on Cagliostro? Manga is a wreck anymore and securing a deal w/ them might pose some problems.
True, but it's probably the only way Cagliostro will ever make it on to tv. Unless Manga's rights have expired (it's been six years or so).

[Lord Dalek]

I had an incoming phonecall, and by the time I got back on and was able to post my reply, all these other replies had been posted.

Excuse me for having to use dial-up to connect to the Internet :rolleyes:
FOOL! I HAVE T1! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[RedTail]

True, but it's probably the only way Cagliostro will ever make it on to tv. Unless Manga's rights have expired (it's been six years or so).
They still have the rights. Every version of Cagliostro you see anymore has their logo on it. Plus if there was going to be re-released, there'd be plenty of chatter around the net. Besides, I don't really have a problem w/ Manga having Cagliostro. They did a good job w/ it.

[Lord Dalek]

They still have the rights. Every version of Cagliostro you see anymore has their logo on it. Plus if there was going to be re-released, there'd be plenty of chatter around the net. Besides, I don't really have a problem w/ Manga having Cagliostro. They did a good job w/ it.Not really, the video was non anamorphic and they lied about the Japanese track being stereo and all. The dub was still pretty good however. Shame David Hayter left the v/o business, he was a good Lupin.

[Aurochs]

My favorite episode of Mobile Suit Gundam is when Amuro Ray uses a forged password to get on a 747, kills the pilot with a box cutter, and crashes into the east tower of the World Trade Center with it.

OK, that was a little insensitive, but I really want to know what giant anthropomorphic robots flying around in space battling with Light Sabers has anything to do with September 11th other then the fact that both of those scenarios feature physical violence. Was The Three Stooges pulled from the classic movie channel for eye-poking and mass face-slapping? Was Super Mario banned for featuring people stepping on turtles? If CN pulled Mobile Suit Gundam because they're afraid that people who were upset about that terrorist attack, then it's proof that it, like most American television networks, makes a complete fool of itself trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator. I think you have to take LSD to be reminded of the WTC attack by Gundam.

Anyway, back on subject. I've never seen the first season of Lupin III, but I think Cartoon Network (by which I mean people on this message board who create too many hypotheticals about a block of television) should give up on appetizing the mainstream to watch this television keep Lupin III at 1:30 for us sundried nerds to enjoy it. It's not like anime racks in the Nielsons anyway.

[Lord Dalek]

My favorite episode of Mobile Suit Gundam is when Amuro Ray uses a forged password to get on a 747, kills the pilot with a box cutter, and crashes into the east tower of the World Trade Center with it.

OK, that was a little insensitive, but I really want to know what giant anthropomorphic robots flying around in space battling with Light Sabers has anything to do with September 11th other then the fact that both of those scenarios feature physical violence. Was The Three Stooges pulled from the classic movie channel for eye-poking and mass face-slapping? Was Super Mario banned for featuring people stepping on turtles? If CN pulled Mobile Suit Gundam because they're afraid that people who were upset about that terrorist attack, then it's proof that it, like most American television networks, makes a complete fool of itself trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator. I think you have to take LSD to be reminded of the WTC attack by Gundam. Just like you have to think REAL hard to connect Sept. 11 with Session #6: Sympathy for the Devil, and still not have a decent answer.

[Dogasu]

I'm actually going to have to agree w/ Dogasu... *shivers*"*shivers*"? What's that for?

Back on topic, the only thing about the FUNimation specials is that CN would have to go and buy them, and spending more money on a franchise when it hasn't performed well in the past isn't done too often.

[Lord Dalek]

"*shivers*"? What's that for?

Back on topic, the only thing about the FUNimation specials is that CN would have to go and buy them, and spending more money on a franchise when it hasn't performed well in the past isn't done too often. Hey! This is Funi we're talking about. They're so despirate to get their franchises onto televison that they'll sell em for peanuts.

[Sisto Kid]

Hey! This is Funi we're talking about. They're so despirate to get their franchises onto televison that they'll sell em for peanuts.

I would think that DBZ is enough of a cash cow for Funi that they wouldn't be THAT desperate.

And my apologies in advance for mentioning DBZ on the "Adult Swim" forum. :o

[Artimus Gigan]

FOOL! I HAVE T1! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!and I have Optimum Online


I RUN FASTER THAN YOU!


Anyways they should really remaster Lupin, and sell the seasons in atractive box sets at a decent price so that people can actualy buy them in one swoop...

[Lord Dalek]

and I have Optimum Online


I RUN FASTER THAN YOU!


Anyways they should really remaster Lupin, and sell the seasons in atractive box sets at a decent price so that people can actualy buy them in one swoop...
ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A CHALLENGE? DOUBLE DUCE!

Back to reality, yeah something around the lines of the Renewal of Evangelion set would be really cool. Give it a sweet package and then restore the episodes to better than OT quality.

[kempobot]

It's a shame to what happen to Lupin, but thank God that Geneon Entertainment will continue with the rest of the 2nd series on DVD! :D I agree that Castle of Caglistro would definately get more viewers, but because of it being "outdated," I would suggest them acquiring the rights to air Dead or Alive (I think FUNimation owns that property),the 2nd best (according to fans) movie which not only is more recent than the others (1996) but was also directed by Monkey Punch himself. But it'd also be nice for AS to eventually air the first series (which would've been completed according to Pioneer's pace) and slap on a "This time, it's serious" slogan.

[Lord Dalek]

It's a shame to what happen to Lupin, but thank God that Geneon Entertainment will continue with the rest of the 2nd series on DVD! :D I agree that Castle of Caglistro would definately get more viewers, but because of it being "outdated," I would suggest them acquiring the rights to air Dead or Alive (I think FUNimation owns that property),the 2nd best (according to fans) movie which not only is more recent than the others (1996) but was also directed by Monkey Punch himself. But it'd also be nice for AS to eventually air the first series (which would've been completed according to Pioneer's pace) and slap on a "This time, it's serious" slogan.
Welcome, Kempobot! Dead or Alive would indeed be a good choice as it and Walther PPK are the only good ones Funi has licenced.

[Beat]

They underpromoted it. Big problem.

Season I, while it should have been aired, wasn't probably because it was considered too dark. To that I say, you suck WS.

[Animation Otaku]

Uh, Pioneer decided to bring the second series over first, for who knows what reasons(it is better anyways). So blaming WS is stupid.

[Beat]

I always blame WS. Besides, they underpromoted it.

[SpaceCowboy]

If Cagliostro comes to AS, CN would need to advertise it 10x more than they did for the 2nd series. It deserves it.:D

I would love to see the first Lupin series make its way over here. Fansubs aren't enough.

[Animation Otaku]

I didn't think they underpromoted it. During the first batch of episodes the promo was airing all the time(even during the initial reruns), and it had the lead slot for action shows.

[Neo-Era]

Nobody knows for sure, since nobody's come out and given a real reason for why the show was cancelled, Actually, they have. Straight from a Toonami producer (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/columns/edit-list.php?id=83):

14. How much effect did the events of Sept. 11th have on CN's editing standards? Both Mobile Suit Gundam (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=46) and Cowboy Bebop (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=13) disappeared from the schedule for a couple of weeks and Cowboy Bebop (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=13) had a missile hit against a skyscraper edited out.

Well, I don't think anyone would begrudge us for taking out that type of content. Mobile Suit Gundam (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=46) is a show about war and death, and CN decided it was not appropriate to air it at that time.

Believe it or don't but that's the only official word that's ever been given on the cancellation of MSG's initial run.

Now back to discussions about other unsuccessful 70's anime on Cartoon Network...

[Master Moron]

Well, personally, I hated the episodes of Lupin the III that aired on Adult Swim. And it had nothing to do with the dated animation. I hated all the plotholes and I thought the humor was stupid. I might have actually liked the first series based on the descriptions that people on this message board have given. I always thought that the second series was too corny and I might have enjoyed a darker Lupin series. Also, the first series is shorter so they would have been able to show the whole series in one run.

[Duke]

MM, do not see Secret of Mamo then if you hate corniness. (It's actually pretty decent, if overly long, and Fujiko and Goemon look weird.)

[Lord Dalek]

MM, do not see Secret of Mamo then if you hate corniness. (It's actually pretty decent, if overly long, and Fujiko and Goemon look weird.)
No Fuji-cakes and Goemon look exactly like they do in the manga. It's their TV designs that look weird.

[Juu-kuchi]

Shame David Hayter left the v/o business, he was a good Lupin.
I think he usually will come back to the business whenever Konami wants him to play as Solid Snake again.

[Lord Dalek]

I think he usually will come back to the business whenever Konami wants him to play as Solid Snake again.
Which Solid Snake do you mean the Real one or the fake that drove you insane at the middle of the game?:D

Anyhoo, I've revived this old thread to see if anyone would feel that Mamo or Cagliostro would be good for the newly reborn Saturday ASA? Manga could use some money desperately.

[Duke]

Which Solid Snake do you mean the Real one or the fake that drove you insane at the middle of the game?:D

Anyhoo, I've revived this old thread to see if anyone would feel that Mamo or Cagliostro would be good for the newly reborn Saturday ASA? Manga could use some money desperately.
Mamo might do good, as it has the same cast as the TV series, and does have some classic Lupin moments (Lupin vs. fake Optimus Prime for instance), it does have really cheesy effects (especially near the end), and the audience might lose interest near the end. And while it is more fluid than the TV series, it still has bad animation.

[Lord Dalek]

Mamo might do good, as it has the same cast as the TV series, and does have some classic Lupin moments (Lupin vs. fake Optimus Prime for instance), it does have really cheesy effects (especially near the end), and the audience might lose interest near the end. And while it is more fluid than the TV series, it still has bad animation.
True, but not as bad as the pilot film *shudder*. I'm still hoping that Cagliostro will be the first Lupin flick to make it onto TV.

[Duke]

True, but not as bad as the pilot film *shudder*. I'm still hoping that Cagliostro will be the first Lupin flick to make it onto TV.
Mamo would have the best chance, as its being done by Pioneer, followed by the FUNimation movies, as FUNi is CN's *****.

Mamo wouldn't be a bad way to start, as it is a fun movie, and very Bond-ish.

[Nobuyuki sama]

I'm still hoping that Cagliostro will be the first Lupin flick to make it onto TV.You mean network TV.

[Lord Dalek]

Mamo would have the best chance, as its being done by Pioneer, followed by the FUNimation movies, as FUNi is CN's *****.
FUNIMATION IS THE GREATEST EVIL CARTOON NETWORK HAS EVER KNOWN! (well at least to AS fans.)

[Duke]

FUNIMATION IS THE GREATEST EVIL CARTOON NETWORK HAS EVER KNOWN! (well at least to AS fans.)
And go to the CN forum, it's Kids' WB! Go to the Toonami forum, it's SVES.

[Lord Dalek]

And go to the CN forum, it's Kids' WB! Go to the Toonami forum, it's SVES.
At least Kids' WB! could probably pronounce Lupin's name properly.

[Duke]

At least Kids' WB! could probably pronounce Lupin's name properly.
They'd have Lupin asking Misty out on a date and ending up asking Psyduck instead. Or asking Tea and having Yami Yugi glaring at him. Or stealing the Kids' WB! logo for an eyecatcher.

[Lord Dalek]

They'd have Lupin asking Misty out on a date and ending up asking Psyduck instead. Or asking Tea and having Yami Yugi glaring at him. Or stealing the Kids' WB! logo for an eyecatcher.
Still, that's better than if Lupin ended up on Fox Box.

[Duke]

Still, that's better than if Lupin ended up on Fox Box.
You mean Lupin saying "The name's Lupin III, and you're watching the FoxBox!"

[Lord Dalek]

You mean Lupin saying "The name's Lupin III, and you're watching the FoxBox!"No, ""The name's Lup-eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen III, and you're watching the FoxBox!"

EDIT- Before this thread goes truly insane (and therefore get boxed), would anybody like to answer the question who hasn't done so yet?

[Lord Dalek]

UPDATE on 1/21/04: Manga has signed a deal with STARZ to air their more action driven films. Considering Cagliostro doesn't seem very "action-y" I would be suprised if STARZ got the rights somewhere down the road.

[Lord Dalek]

We don't need to hear about an update from a year ago. It isn't news anymore.
*POST EDITING POWERS ACTIVATE!* There, are you happy?!?!

[Nobuyuki sama]

These are the shows that ANN lists as licensed to Starz Action:

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<LI>Street Fighter II V (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=644)
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<LI>Macross Plus (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=501)
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<LI>Shadow Skill (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=257)
X/1999 (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=1540)
And it's the OAV version of Macross Plus and they also have the rights to the first Shadow Skill OAV.

[RedTail]

I don't think anyone outside of established Lupin fans are going to like Mystery of Mamo. Cagliostro on the other hand has a much broader appeal. If by some miracle it did find it's way onto Saturdays, it would probably do well.