Grim and Evil - Question

[Pilmedium]

I am under the impression that the two series “The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy” and “Evil Con Carne” originally made up the show “Grim and Evil.” If so, why was “Grim and Evil” broken up? :confused:

[DianaGohan]

Here's the long version of the story:

The Grim Adventures Of Billy And Mandy Started as a short carved by Maxwell Atoms, the creator. It won the 2000 Cartoon Cartoon Summerfest Pick to be turned into a show. (Obviously, they stopped doing the Summerfest pick since 2002, and offically since 2001). And so one year later the pilot episode premiered, with the original short, another Grim short, and a diffrent story called Evil Con Carne. This was another project Maxwell was working on, and got permission to have it be part of his Grim show, thus creating "Grim And Evil". CN really liked Grim, but disliked Evil so in 2003, they okayed making new episodes of the Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy, but didn't allow any more Evil Con Carne shorts to be made. As a result, Maxwell devoted all of his time to Billy and Mandy, and seperated it from Evil Con Carne. The episodes that were already completed (before it's cancellation) premiered as the last new episodes of ECC. Grim will go onto another season (I believe) but no more new episodes for Evil, whose shorts are now compiled in the essitantly cancelled Evil Con Carne show. And that's the story.

[RD!]

Here's the long version of the story:

The Grim Adventures Of Billy And Mandy Started as a short carved by Maxwell Atoms, the creator. It won the 2000 Cartoon Cartoon Summerfest Pick to be turned into a show. (Obviously, they stopped doing the Summerfest pick since 2002, and offically since 2001). And so one year later the pilot episode premiered, with the original short, another Grim short, and a diffrent story called Evil Con Carne. This was another project Maxwell was working on, and got permission to have it be part of his Grim show, thus creating "Grim And Evil". CN really liked Grim, but disliked Evil so in 2003, they okayed making new episodes of the Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy, but didn't allow any more Evil Con Carne shorts to be made. As a result, Maxwell devoted all of his time to Billy and Mandy, and seperated it from Evil Con Carne. The episodes that were already completed (before it's cancellation) premiered as the last new episodes of ECC. Grim will go onto another season (I believe) but no more new episodes for Evil, whose shorts are now compiled in the essitantly cancelled Evil Con Carne show. And that's the story.

Thanks for the info! I hated Evil Con Carne =( Billy and Mandy is okay lol I love Mandy <3

[Dudley]

I'm glad they were able to get rid of Hector Con Carne, because that show was stupid from the start.

[CookieS]

I thought it had more to do with ratings. Kids, well, probably mostly college students, chose Meet the Reaper to become a new series. But when the series aired, the ratings were terrible.

The series was retooled starting with episode 7. Note all the added characters, changed personalities, and decreased emphasis on Evil Con Carne in the second batch of episodes.

The ratings were still low. The show was retooled again. The Evil Con Carne shorts were dropped and given a (limited) series of their own and Billy and Mandy became a darker series. This time it seems to have worked.

Actually Strawberry Jam was correct. It was retooled after episode 7 because CN contracted 6 episodes after the Big Pick. Once those 6 were complete, they took almost a year to do the next batch. The original 6 cycled for most of 2002 (it was insane). I think in late 2002, after the second batch of the new episodes, Cartoon Network programming gods decided against the Evil Con Carne. Much like they did with Robot Jones's voice, Cartoon Network seems to be making content-changing decisions to either please viewers or advertisers (who knows).

[Corrado]

Here's a question that relates to "Grim & Evil."

In the short "Halls of Time" there's a caritcture of Maxwell Atoms in the short. He has a drawing of something, then says that that could be his greatest idea ever, then you know the rest.

What was the drawing supposed to be??

[B.W.H.]

It was a Walrus

[Scythemantis]

The concept of Evil Con Carne wasn't so bad...Dr. Ghastly was extremely likeable and the side story between her and Hector could have been interesting if they bothered to explore it. They just generally missed a lot of oppurtunities to get really creative with the evil dictator theme and didn't seem to put as much effort into the writing as they did for grim.

Boscov was completely pointless. It would have been more amusing to have Hector inexplicably attached to a completely different body every episode, or drop the whole concept and go for *just* a brain in a tank, which would have at least given them the room to draw a brain and not some sort of kidney/bladder/testicle. :p

Basically I would have liked to see them try a little harder instead of just scrapping it, but ah well...it was CN's decision. I definately love Billy & Mandy now that the show is more focused on the horror motif. Early episodes sorta treated grim like any old human character, and felt like a dull sitcom. Now it's among my favorite animated series of all time! The halloween special was killer, and Brown Evil was delightfully gruesome.