JohnCrichton
12-19-2003, 12:55 PM
These are my friend, OverdrivePrime's words, because he says it best. Over at my friends' private message board, there's unfortunately only one guy there of the conservative standpoint and everyone takes turns throwing rocks at him for saying things like:
I just want to say..right from the start in his FIRST speach about the war on terrorism and in speaches afterward he said this would be a "long" war. I didn't realize what he meant at the time, but I thaught it was interesting that he said the word long. I really didn't think anyone in political power would ever have the strength to do what is right, to fight the evil of the world in any location at anytime. Isn't that one of the greatest things a person can do, face evil at any location? In fact, I don't think I will ever forget the look on his face when he said that. I didn't think he was serious. Now that I learned to realize a few things, I hope he meant its never ending. A war on terrorism is a war without end. I hope you all realize that now as I do, and you should feel proud to have a president that has taken the chance to do such a great dead for those who have suffered and to protect those who would have suffered. You think that terrorism will go away if a bunch of do-nothings are in charge? No, it won't. Will we stop it, alas, we won't even with our best efforts. We are too late. The do-nothings have lead us to this time. But, will we help more people than if we watch the world go by and do nothing. Yes. This war better be never ending. Because the day it ends, that is the day we failed.
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Better luck next life.
Then ODP steps in with a rant of wisdom that I felt just needed to be posted up here:
Look, I know that this is hard to understand, but you can't make war on a concept. Terrorism has been a scourge to humanity since the invention of weapons. It as much a part of the human equation as war and greed are. Most terrorists think of themselves as freedom fighters. They think that they are standing up to opression and that they are the ones who are fighting evil.
And do you know what perpetuates the creation of more terrorists? Further strong-armed tactics by the percieved opressor. For every person that our soldiers kill, they leave behind a child with a greatly increased potential to grow up hating the USA, hating capitalism, and hating infidel dog western culture. Violence can only create more violence. You seem like you would call yourself a Christian. Where in the teachings of Jesus does he say, "If you think someone is evil, you must slay them, impoverish their families, mock their culture and desecrate their lands?" Jesus says nothing of the sort. Violence only begets more violence, and the cycle of killing and atrocities can only be stopped when someone with a superior mind has the courage and will to say, "I will not fight."
Do you know the only repeatedly proven, effective way to stop violence? Education. It's not the instant gratification method that I know most conservatives prefer, but it is the only method that works. Through education we can reach these people and their children, teach them to stand on their own two feet, instead of cowering behind a gun or rocket launcher.
Guns have always been the tools of the desperate, and the first resort of the weak hearted, ever since their creation. Simply because the people that hate us are desperate does not mean that we should sink to their level, just because some Americans are bloodthirsty and ignorant. Rather, if we truly want to solve the problem of terrorism, we must combat the causes that lie in our own nation. We must work to educate the people of cultures that resort to terrorism that violence gets them nowhere, while education provides the key to rising above and living a prosperous and enriching life.
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"We're losing the war on AIDS. And drugs. And poverty. And terror. But we sure took it to those Nazis. Man, those were the days." - Glen Luther, Systems Analyst (http://www.theonion.com/3948/wdyt.html)
I just want to say..right from the start in his FIRST speach about the war on terrorism and in speaches afterward he said this would be a "long" war. I didn't realize what he meant at the time, but I thaught it was interesting that he said the word long. I really didn't think anyone in political power would ever have the strength to do what is right, to fight the evil of the world in any location at anytime. Isn't that one of the greatest things a person can do, face evil at any location? In fact, I don't think I will ever forget the look on his face when he said that. I didn't think he was serious. Now that I learned to realize a few things, I hope he meant its never ending. A war on terrorism is a war without end. I hope you all realize that now as I do, and you should feel proud to have a president that has taken the chance to do such a great dead for those who have suffered and to protect those who would have suffered. You think that terrorism will go away if a bunch of do-nothings are in charge? No, it won't. Will we stop it, alas, we won't even with our best efforts. We are too late. The do-nothings have lead us to this time. But, will we help more people than if we watch the world go by and do nothing. Yes. This war better be never ending. Because the day it ends, that is the day we failed.
signature:
Better luck next life.
Then ODP steps in with a rant of wisdom that I felt just needed to be posted up here:
Look, I know that this is hard to understand, but you can't make war on a concept. Terrorism has been a scourge to humanity since the invention of weapons. It as much a part of the human equation as war and greed are. Most terrorists think of themselves as freedom fighters. They think that they are standing up to opression and that they are the ones who are fighting evil.
And do you know what perpetuates the creation of more terrorists? Further strong-armed tactics by the percieved opressor. For every person that our soldiers kill, they leave behind a child with a greatly increased potential to grow up hating the USA, hating capitalism, and hating infidel dog western culture. Violence can only create more violence. You seem like you would call yourself a Christian. Where in the teachings of Jesus does he say, "If you think someone is evil, you must slay them, impoverish their families, mock their culture and desecrate their lands?" Jesus says nothing of the sort. Violence only begets more violence, and the cycle of killing and atrocities can only be stopped when someone with a superior mind has the courage and will to say, "I will not fight."
Do you know the only repeatedly proven, effective way to stop violence? Education. It's not the instant gratification method that I know most conservatives prefer, but it is the only method that works. Through education we can reach these people and their children, teach them to stand on their own two feet, instead of cowering behind a gun or rocket launcher.
Guns have always been the tools of the desperate, and the first resort of the weak hearted, ever since their creation. Simply because the people that hate us are desperate does not mean that we should sink to their level, just because some Americans are bloodthirsty and ignorant. Rather, if we truly want to solve the problem of terrorism, we must combat the causes that lie in our own nation. We must work to educate the people of cultures that resort to terrorism that violence gets them nowhere, while education provides the key to rising above and living a prosperous and enriching life.
signature:
"We're losing the war on AIDS. And drugs. And poverty. And terror. But we sure took it to those Nazis. Man, those were the days." - Glen Luther, Systems Analyst (http://www.theonion.com/3948/wdyt.html)