SVES Talkback: Justice League - A Better World (Spoilers)

[Killtacular]

This episode sounds eerily familiar to the alternate universe episode of Superman: TAS. Although I guess it involves the entire JL instead of just Superman and Lex.... eh, whatever.

[Cyber E.]

These villains better win this time.. especially when they have cooler costumes than the heroes.

[wrenchien]

anything that has president luthor like in the dc comics has to be worth watching. :)

[WingZombie38]

Better costumes, huh? :shrug: I guess I'll be cheering for them too. :D It's almost on.

[Cyber E.]

So far...

This Episode > Anything.

[Killtacular]

Nice crop, CN.

[MattThomasM2B]

This episode sounds eerily familiar to the alternate universe episode of Superman: TAS. Although I guess it involves the entire JL instead of just Superman and Lex.... eh, whatever.

Agreed.

[Delthayre]

This script must have been hand-chiseled on sledgehammers.

[MattThomasM2B]

So much for Doomsday.

[Youko Recca]

I wonder how Flash died in the other dimension

[GWOtaku]

Holy crap. This is flat out awesome.

The Batman vs Batman interaction is....outstanding. Everything in this ep is. Wow.

[Duke]

I love how Supes isn't affected at all.

What's Luthor doing back in his suit?

Nice speech, Luthor.

WTF!? DID HE JUST KILL LEX LUTHOR!?

Eh...eh...I'm confoozled...

I miss the old costumes...Especially HG's & WW's.

FLASH IS DEAD!? Well, Matt Wilson will be happy.

At least Bats hasn't changed.

This is reminding me of the S:TAS episode "Brave New Metropolis."

Lois's design is fixed. Looks like she knows his secret. And they're a married couple. Yay!

Bats new costume looks like his BB costume, except bluish.

So THAT'S what happened! It's another dimension! Bout friggin time they explained it.

That dimensional portal Batman just happened to have reminds me of the portal from the original TMNT.

Nice move, Flash.

Aww, she shoulda broke his leg.

IS that Dooomsday!?

I wonder where Supergirl, Robin, etc. are...

Another reporter, yet still no Angela Chen...

Would the Guardians of the GL Corp find that GL's actions good?

That's some punch.

Did I hear bones cracking when Doomsday stomped Supes?

Snapper Carr dyed his hair I see.

Gotta love Bats vs. Bats.

It hasn't come back that many times. Injustice Gang & Morgaine LeFey is basically it.

Flash is a good actor.

Yay! Arkham!

JOKER! Yay! Awesome! But he's...calm...I'm freaked out now...

TWO-FACE! Yay! Scarface! Other Batman villians!

That's a lot of robots.

Robin suit! Yay!

Evil Bats looked like the BB Batman in that one shot.

Poison Ivy is still green, I don't like that.

Damn, Bats hit the right spot.

He's playing the other Bats, I just know it...

Flash is fighting well for once.

Didn't think her injuries were THAT serious...

Isn't that the general from Episode 1?

Where's Commishioner Gordon?

Jimminy?

I don't like this Superman, he's too evil...

J'honn's best transformation yet.

Damn, Flash is kicking ass.

Nice move, Diana. Can't let her kill your man, can you?

I do wish we coulda seen a real Supes vs. Supes beatdown, but this'll do. Nice battle between the GLs too.

They did what G.I. Joe didn't do.

I think the team finally topped "The Savage Time."

[The_Dominion]

I so called that White House thing. It just reminded me too much of the Nightcrawler scene in X2.

This episode seems a lot like the alternate universe Star Trek episodes. Since I like Star Trek, and the alternate universe episdoes were amoung the best out there, I give it a A+.

[Delthayre]

"A Better World" was pretentious, heavy-handed, and less than underwhelming. It liked to pretend that it was seriously addressing the idea of superheroes releasing their inhibitions in a almost dogmatic search for justice, but it was just predictable and simple-minded. The Batman vs. Batman conflict didn't play out convincingly or even cleverly. The only thing that I could without equivocation say I liked was Flash. He had probably his best moments of the series here. But that couldn't save this in my eyes. And the American flag bit at the end made me wretch.

* out of *****

[DianaGohan]

The Justice League "A Better World" Episode Review meets the Justice Lords "It Is A Better World" Review Of Episode.

Ah, the infamous "Alternate Dimension" story idea. Taking characters from one universe and having them meet characters who are the same (but diffrent) from other universes. In this case, it's the Justice League meeting the Justice Lords, which is what would happen if Flash died in the name of Justice, Luthor became president and Superman and the rest decided to make changes for the better. Of course, being in fear and total police control isn't really better, but you already know that. This was an intresting episode. Having the "Villians" be our heroes twins, but it was still good. Highlights include Alternate Superman frying Alternate Luthor, the peak we had at the alternate world, the interdimensional portal, The Jusice League's fight with Luthor, Alternate Superman lobotmizing that alien creature, the Flash being the one to unlock the others, Alternate Arkahm, Batman managing to reach Alternate Batman, and the Justice League vrs the Justice Lords. I give this episode an A-.

Oh, BTW Matt, you gonna be doing the "Comedic Summerization" of this episode on the DC Board? Because If you're not, I could do it.

[Blue Arc]

Great episode, one of the better of this season, though they left out what they did with the justice lords. Still, welll paced and written. I'll give it an A.

[Duke]

Alternate Superman lobotmizing that alien creature

If I'm not mistaken, the alien was Doomsday, who, in the comics, killed Kal-El

[Nin-Nin69]

Didn't we see this plot somewhere before? :shrug:

That was an outstanding episode. Luthor was killed?! :eek: Superman, MM, and GL had some nice looking costumes. Lois looked better this time and the Flash was dead, Matt must be pleased. Doomsday cameo. Batman Vs........ Batman?! :eek: Great cameo apperances by the villans of the Gotham. Then there was that silly part with the Superman androids and after WW knocks it's head off he says, "thanks". :p GL learns to make shapes with his ring at the end of the episode. And WW finally used the tiara while fans rejoiced.

Great episode. ***** out of *****

[B.W.H.]

A great episode.The Justice Lord's Superman is a hero,after losing Flash gained a warped sense of justice,he believes that labonimes are the correct way of punishment for criminals.We also get to see how a world without politics makes the Justice Lords obsolute.Here we have six heroes who used to go in space battling renegade security robots from obtaing the greatest power in the universe now their biggest worries are preventing college protests. But the Justice Lord's Batman 's conversation with the regular universe's Batman showed one of the benefits without crime,one conveince that neither Batman never had.The final battle between The Justice Lords and the Justice League was possibly the best battle I've ever seen in this show(excluding Twilight.).We got to see a John use a sword and shield,a weapon I've always thought would be cool to see in action. An A+

[WingZombie38]

This episode ROCKED! My personal favourite to date! The costumes of the Justice Lords were indeed very cool. I especially liked HG's and WW's. Why didn't they "flash"back to what happened to their Flash? I would have really liked to have seen that. It was pretty nice seeing Lois again. Batman and Batman just rock. I wonder how the Justice Lord Batman will handle the other Lords?

Highlights for me included:
Flash. He was dealt with well here.
Luther wants to get into politics.
Batman & Batman have a talk.
Arkham Asylum - I loved Joker's part.
J'onn's transformation
dialouge paraphrase with the "Justice Lords" versions:
Hawkgirl: "Do you sleep well now?" GL: "You should know."


Non-highlights:
Hawkgirl being taken down for the episodes.
Superman picking up the flag at the end.
Doomsday - such a little part, funny really.

9/10

[Juu-kuchi]

...Wow.

What a great episode tonight. I knew what I would expect the plotline to be about in "A Better World", but this was just so unexpected. I think we've got our alternate universe story for the JL for now, and the costumes were quite good. I wish I knew how Flash died, and I felt that the denouement was not really good mainly...

Because I wanted to see what happened to the Justice Lords after they abducted them.

Hawkgirl did not wake up.

And that Luthor ending just came out of the blue...

But between the rather intriguing story, the appearance of the rather 'sane' Batman villains, plus a rather cool fight scene between the GLs (sickle vs. saber), I've got to say that this was quite the episode.

[Anime Guy]

"A Better World" was pretentious, heavy-handed, and less than underwhelming. It liked to pretend that it was seriously addressing the idea of superheroes releasing their inhibitions in a almost dogmatic search for justice, but it was just predictable and simple-minded. The Batman vs. Batman conflict didn't play out convincingly or even cleverly. The only thing that I could without equivocation say I liked was Flash. He had probably his best moments of the series here. But that couldn't save this in my eyes. And the American flag bit at the end made me wretch.

* out of *****

I see we have a pessimist. We won't hurt you though, wouldn't wanna end up like the Justice Lords.

Anyway, IMO, best Justice League ep ever. It really made me think about how things are in real life and it makes me glad that we aren't ruled by meticulous, cold-hearted bastards that don't even allow free speach because, "Even the smallest spark can cause a fire." I love Justice League. :D

[Alph]

Good episode,except I really hope they do more with Doomsday than just have him as a secondary villain that gets defeated in on ep.Really,he was supposed to be superman's "ultimate opponent" or something.Plus,I feel the "depower-izer" is a little plot device-ish.I mean,now we have something that works better than Kryptonite,except it effects everybody.Plus,theoretically any brilliant mind can make one.Oh well.



And isn't it weird how in both of the alternate demensions we have seen,luthor dies and supes becomes some kind of tyrannical leader?I wonder which version of supes would win in a fight.

[Artemis]

I always admired the character aspects of Superman and Batman never wanting to kill and hated it when people complained about it. And this episode dealt with that ideal pretty well. Alternate Supes looked pretty damn cold frying Luthor and lobotomizing Doomsday. Not the image of Superman I'm used to. The highlight was definitley the Bats vs. Bats fight and the final word that stunned him. And, what do you know, Flash is actually useful besides telling lame jokes. Nice little tactic there, speeding up his heart rate to look like it flatlined. All in all, a cool episode.

[screw on head]

jl is now airing in glorious widescreen format at the 1:00AM reairing!

[Duke]

Did anyone else notice that one of the protestors at the college sounded a bit like Robin in Teen Titans?

[Sketch]

Jimminy LOL! Good one GL!

Move over Spy VS Spy... it's Bats VS Bats! That was a BRILLIANT scene and one of the best in the series.

Joker was pleasant... NOW that's scary stuff.

[Ultra8]

Wow :eek:
The Justice Lords, Pres.Luthor fried, Doomsday appears, Arkum's the calmest place on earth, Bats VS. Bats, loved the mellowed out Poison Ivy :D .
Only downside was
What's AlterBats' going to do with the other Lords, and are the League going to keep the new toys they got back on the watch tower. :confused:
Overall a 10/10 episode :D :D

[I.R Joey]

This was a really excelent episode, it showed that you don't need gratuitious sexuality to write "mature." storylines.

The world that the Justice Lords created was very Orwelish and very dark, I liked it alot. The scene with Lois being imprisoned was great, and it made sense in a world where the leauge is that unpopular (the resistance might target her.)
I also loved the Arkum scene and how they used mind control on the inmates to keep them under control.

On the Orwellian note did anyone else notice the 5+5=15 refrence at the cafe, and how the police dragged him away? Very 1984ish, good stuff.

So anyway I think I'm giving this like an 8.5 outta 10. I'm taking off some points for the fact that they didn't explain how the earth 3 Flash died (and it was earth 3.)

P.S Anyone notice how much more intense the fights are now, when compared to older DCU shows?

[wrenchien]

what's probably not been said, save for a good twin from another universe (GRRR).

after some thought, i think lex probably killed off the flash in the alternate universe, while preparing for his war that would doom the earth.. truly a ranting man he was, and superman wasn't much better as he burned luthor and his computer to the bone. looks like a job for george bush! but even he's scared of the lords.

I wonder if the episode will be known as 'two years later' since it didn't show the 'a better world' after the theme music played. maybe that's what it's called in the alternate universe. :eek:

I think it was scary how the alternate superman just burned a hole in doomsday's mind and doomsday just.. trailed off... the speech he had about his bones. coincidence they arrived at the same time, both superman of alternate earth and doomsday of this one.. wish that fight had been a lot longer. but it was so cool ...

and all those robots plus supes ,responsible for a group of batman's worst villians with brain damage via heat vision. and joker loyal to the jl is probably the most shocking of it all, plus is that how mark hamill would sound not so joker like? or was it mark at all? :confused:

it was a nice fight at the end, but i think at the end the alternate batman left the portal open so when the justice league could face the lords, if the league returned the lords they'd be left there while batman would deal with them. Also, who's to say he didn't find some sort of cure, the true luthor?

nice job of the true martian manhunter, pretending to be luthor. took a while to set up the lord's downfall, and a load of trust they put in luthor.

i'd say it's one of the best ones yet this season. even if doomsday has now duck for brains. fried, peking duck for brains.

[ClockStomper]

I think the best part of the episode was explaining why Batman dosen't cross certain lines in his war to get rid of crime. He won't cross the line to the point where he'd make a world his parents wouldn't want to live in.

[Meson]

Now this is an example of quality American animation. I loved all of it. :)

They should make more episodes this good.

[Sampo]

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Lex "I'm Meellltttingg... I'm Meelllttiiingg..." The Justice LORDS man that does sound pretty awesome.

At the begining of this episode I was thinking what the heck was going on and as pleasently surprise how it turned out. The Justice Lords look amazing in their outfits and their version of Earth was frightful. In Lois' case, there is not much freedom if you are locked up in a room, not allowed guests, and can't make any phone calls out.

Cool stuff that occured during these two episodes:

Doomsday made an explosive appearance and kicked serious butt. I was surprised that the Alternate Universe(au) Superman lobotomized him.

We see the au Arkham (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/ark.jpg)... Nice cozy place for with all those villians. I agree hearing Joker's voice calm like that was very freaky. Also did anyone notice that Scarface had those burn marks (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/inmates.jpg) but the puppeter (can't recall his name, other than DUmmy) didn't.

It was a spectacular fight watching The Justice League and the Justice Lords duke it out.

Hmm, I wonder if the Justice League send the Justice Lords back to their dimension or locked em up somewhere?

Whoot more screencaps.

Pan:

Modified Watchtower. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/watchtower.jpg) Not enough guns! Add more!

Regs:

Bats spending quality time together. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/bats.jpg)
Ah the happy couple! (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/married.jpg)
Supermen have a little chat. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/sups.jpg)
The GLs going at eachother (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/gl2.jpg)

Both JL teams clash. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/battle2.jpg)

My skin can withstand a nuclear explosion. My bones are... MY Bones are...Uhhhhh... (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/brainmelt.jpg)

Images of Doomsday (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/death1.jpg)
Justice Lords battling Doomsday (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/death2.jpg)

Flash Flatlines (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/flatline.jpg) Batman must be thinking, Awww S*** not again!

Alternate Universe (au) GL (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/gl.jpg)
Shot of au HawkGirl (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/hawk.jpg)
au Superman talks to the president (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/president.jpg)
au Superman (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/superman.jpg)
au Wonderwoman. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/wonderwoman.jpg)

au Superman grinning (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/ha.jpg)

GL and the wounded Hawkgirl (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/glNhg.jpg)

Justice League! (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/jlgo.jpg)

Lex having a little too much fun with that ray gun. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/lexray.jpg)

HG warding of the electrical charges (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/mace.jpg)

Wow, the au police have some serious firepower. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/police.jpg)

Wonderwoman using her tierra to attack. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/sailormoon.jpg) Man, I forgot about that attack.
Various supermen getting their butts kicked (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/suped.jpg)

Lois and the fallen au Superman (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/supNlois.jpg)
au JL in those spacesuits. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/space.jpg)

Pics of Two Face, Joker, and Poison Ivy. (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/trio.jpg) I also miss the original Ivy look. I couldn't care much for this light green stuff.

[Bubblegum Girl]

The figth between the League and the Lords was cool! It's too bad that Flash didn't get to fight his "evil" self. I wonder how he died in the other world? :confused:

[shoujoaifan]

Pretty good, kept me to the seat. A few flaws, such as HG being out for most of the ep's, but still pretty good.

Although that still won't keep me from reading Matt Wilson's spoof narration on it ;)

[Delthayre]

Although that still won't keep me from reading Matt Wilson's spoof narration on it

Matt won't be doing a parody of this one. Which is a shame, because I think this episode deserves it.

[Youko Recca]

wtf!?

[Wounded_Dragon]

Am I the only one who would be ecstatic if they didn't do a President Luthor story?... :sad:

[Duke]

Am I the only one who would be ecstatic if they didn't do a President Luthor story?... :sad:

It probably wouldn't appear until the very end of Season 2/Season 3 anyway.

[Mister Intensity]

Am I the only one who would be ecstatic if they didn't do a President Luthor story?... :sad:

Real life did the President Luthor story better than anything any fictional writer could come up with.

Mister Intensity

[Kouji Tamino]

Heh heh... One of the robot Supermen got his head punched off and he said "Thank you!" :D

[lostrune]

Batman and Bizarro Batman dealing with each other - so that's how Bats would be if he grew up with a brother. :D

[raykremer]

Good episode,except I really hope they do more with Doomsday than just have him as a secondary villain that gets defeated in on ep.Really,he was supposed to be superman's "ultimate opponent" or something.Plus,I feel the "depower-izer" is a little plot device-ish.I mean,now we have something that works better than Kryptonite,except it effects everybody.Plus,theoretically any brilliant mind can make one.Oh well.
Agreed to both points.

Doomsday being there reminded me of the episode where Superman impersonated Batman, and Bane showed up for no other reason than for Superman-as-Batman to kick his ass faster than the real Batman ever could.

And yes, they did do this before in Brave New Metropolis.

The obvious Batman Beyond visual references in the Earth-3 Batcave were nifty though.

[czyznyck99]

The Czyz-nit on JL, “A Better World”

Double Double, it’s nothing but trouble…

Show opens with the big three going after Lex. And then Superman kills Lex. If the episode stopped right there, it gets 5 stars. About time. And the future can be bright, and filled with nonlinear plots, a vindictive Superman, and no HG and GL to do anything useless.

Wait, what do you mean it’s only the opening sequence? Rats, guess that gives the JL 39 minutes to shoot themselves in the foot, as usual.

Ends up we are in an alternate reality. Figures. Superman looks like his dad, and WW looks like Wonder Girl. Guess they were testing out character designs for WG’s eventual guest spot on Teen Titans. GL is bald. I know holding that green thing too long can be cancerous. Wait, wrong green thing. Anyway, Alternate Flash is a no show, so there goes the comedy for this episode. Well, until later, you’ll see.

Alternate GL and HG discuss being able to sleep better at night due to their imposed martial law and dictatorship. With all of the butt-slapping happening around here, I would have thought they would have just outright said that they were sleeping together. And I honestly think that GL has officially become a superhero playa. First Katma, and now Hawkgirl? Down, boy.

Lois berates Superman over dinner. He deserved it, especially back in Season 1. But there is a problem here. We are seeing the Darkseid-like Superman, which is pretty much the polar opposite of the Superman we saw in Season 1. I don’t see this one working either, even if the fans like it. I don’t believe many people were asking for this Superman, just a stronger one than the one who wasn’t getting pimp-slapped constantly. And it’s the consistency of this Supes that gets me. We already saw him cross the line in the Superman show, and in “Twilight,” so we already know he can go that far. Even if it was under “mind control.” It was supposed to look like a big deal here. It really isn’t.

Anyway, The Lords decide that the League could use their ruthless killing methods, and so they go lie to them. And then fry them. I like them already.

Superman then lobotomizes Doomsday. One full star right there, for several reasons. First, the episode title finally has decent relevance to the episode. Of course it would be “a better world” when everyone’s frontal lobes are fried into happy-thought land forever. And I know that this moment probably was supposed to be “My God, Supes is really over the edge now,” but I have to know: how many of you just burst out laughing when it happened? Because I couldn’t stop. I mean, this is Doomsday, who freakin’ killed Superman, and this was his relevance? Cowering before the almighty Superman after a cheap heat ray shot? That’s gold, and shows me that there really is no respect for any DC comic published after 1990. Not to mention the fact that a show given a rating meant for kids has the guts to show how to flash fly a super-villain in 15 seconds. Because that will come in handy the next time little Johnny runs into big mean bully Dick. Just assume that there is “something wrong with him,” and sever half the nerves in his brain. This goes down as the funniest moment in JL history as far as I am concerned. Well, at least until I see the love child of Green Lantern and Hawkgirl, that is.

Anyway, most of the League wakes up in Stonegate. Batman sees neo-Batman, and thus the mind games begin. Flash strikes a nerve in neo-Batman, then remembers that he has a brain, so he fakes his death. And gets neo-Batman to bite the bait. That was pretty cool.

Anyway, HG is in the newly lobotomized Arkham Asylum. Sorry, I have to laugh again. And then Superman clones come out to play. Pointless segment disguised as filler since they are going to get Hawkgirl back anyway.

The mind games with the two Batmans continue, with our Batman using the parent card. Okay, he pretty much wins it right there. And that didn’t take long. Too bad “Hush” wasn’t as subtle, or it might have been stellar rather than mediocre.

GL gets solemn when he sees Hawkgirl, then dons the “eyes of imminent clone revenge,” as he takes her out.

Neo-Batman, having lost the mind game, sends our heroes back to their reality to fight the Lords. But the League has an ace up their sleeve, and that would be our pal Luthor, who takes away all of the Lords powers.

And Luthor doesn’t kill the Justice League while he‘s on a roll. I hope Superman realizes that this episode really didn’t accomplish much as in stopping the alternate reality. If anything, it’s going to go down just like it did at the beginning. Well, one thing could have stopped it. Lex’s cancer, which apparently requires a high powered suit to contain his condition. But he was in a business suit, pardoned just like in the comics, and planning to run for office. Whatever. I would participate in the philosophical debate of how each alternate reality counterpart measures up, but seriously? Clones? A trivial down play of Doomsday? This episode was just horrible. And you know what really bothers me? Not only did the return trip down the evil Superman road lead to disappointment, it’s now blatantly clear that HG and GL are an item, or going to be. Because the staff really can’t do anything else with either character beyond fulfill their “diversity” quota. Odds are these are the “leading events in Season 2” that will lead to the “Star-Crossed” finale. I hope not. Or if so, they both die. And both of those trivial and meaningless events almost overshadowed the only good thing about this episode, and that was Flash using his brains and his feet, not getting taken out in a cheap manner.

So 2 stars, barely. It should have been much lower, but I laughed. And now I am going to try that lobotomy thing. Because I know more than half of you are probably begging me to do it.

Later.

[James T. Rocket]

Did I see a Watchmen reference in here? The newsstand Doomsday destroys is called Bernie's. Also, the collapsing dimensions ploy the Justice Lords use to lure the League into their dimension seemed like a nod to Crisis on Infinite Earths.

[Gloria Harp]

I LOVED this episode! It was great; definitely one of my favorites! Some of it was so creepy, like with the lobotomized (sp?) Batman villians (especially Poison Ivy), and the whole lobotomizing thing in general...shudder... And can I just say when Superman is on the bad side he's EVIL. Like, scary evil. I think it's because most of the time when he's being evil he really thinks he's being just...kind of warped, eh?

What else? I think they could have developed the whole Flash thing more, or at least shown/explained how he died. Maybe not shown because that would have been really depressing...although really dramatic, too. I mean, we get the basic idea that it probably had something to do with Lex and that it's the reason why the rest of the Justice League became psycho tyrants, to put it mildly, but it would have been nice to actually see WHAT happened. Of course, part of me is actually happy they didn't go fully into it; it leaves room for a sequel episode, you know? LOL! Well, they did let their alternate selves live, didn't they? And evil Superman (I should say alternate Superman, but whatever) looked ready to kill as he was being taken away...here's to hoping, right?

Lois was in it! Yay! That made me happy, considering she is, like, the best! LOL! And her scenes with Superman were really creepy, particularly the one where she's locked up in her apartment and such. And it's nice to see that Snapper Carr still exists! Haven't seen him in awhile, but in the last couple of episodes he's actually been around. Yay!

Power to Hawkgirl and John Stewart! They make such a cute couple, don't you think? LOL! Yeah, it is kind of disappointing that Hawkgirl was taken out for most of the episode (considering that she, along with John Stewart and Flash are my favorite characters-not that I don't like the other characters, because I love them, too! I just like how the three of them interact together and think that they are more down-to-earth ones in the group...actually, J'onn J'onnz is really down-to-earth, too...ah, well) However, I try to look on the bright side of Hawkgirl being taken out for the majority of an episode; the only reason why she was taken out was because she was the only one strong enough to stand up and break the white prison...er...thing... So power to her! Also, for some reason alternate J'onn J'onnz going along with this tyranny thing didn't sit right with me; it worked well with the others, but not J'onn J'onnz. I mean, after losing everyone on his planet, he just seems above the whole "ruling with an iron fist" thing just because Flash died (not that he wouldn't be super upset or anything). But I guess if everyone else was doing it...

However, I do think out of everyone that it was best to have Flash killed off (although I love him so! LOL!) Firstly, because I simply think that Flash could have never worked in that world. He's way too outspoken to live in the psychotically oppressed world that they created; can you say "lobotomy" anyone? Actually, I don't know if they'd do that (although evil Superman does scare me), but you get my point. His character fits more with the rallying college kids who want elections than the tyrannical Justice Lords. Secondly, he really is the "conscience" of the group; I mean, how many times has Flash been the one to speak out against some sort of injustice while the rest are just like "let it go," to paraphrase ("In Blackest Night" and the end of "Paradise Lost" come to mind-both these episodes show the outspoken thing, too). He's the young, care-free, idealist of the group; who else are you going to pick to die, am I right? Thirdly, I can't see the other six reacting with such extremes if anyone else died. I mean, obviously if Hawkgirl died, John Stewart would probably do the same thing, or if Batman lost Wonderwoman or what I like to affectionately refer to as the "Bat Crew" (Robin, Nightwing, Batgirl), then yeah; but the others? I mean, no offense to Batman, but I doubt the others would act so rashly if he were to die just because, well, it's just more acceptable if someone like him dies, I guess. Almost like it would be more of a noble death than something tragic Or someone like Superman or Wonderwoman or even Green Lantern who understand that sacrifices, particularly self-sacrifices, must be made, whereas idealist Flash doesn't really get why any sacrifices have to be made at all (not that he WOULDN'T sacrifice himself for some cause, just that he doesn't see why he can't save everyone-check convo with GL and Flash in "Maid of Honor" and you'll see what I mean, I believe...). Besides, the others are so much more serious and mature (not in a bad way), while Flash is so...not. It's like when a kid dies in a car accident and the adults are like, "but he was so young!" It's just more upsetting when the youngins die...

Okay, way too much analysis there! LOL! Anyway, what else did I like? The whole Flash tricking alternate Batman with the speeding up the heart thing was cool. And the Batman versus Batman thing was cool, too. And you got to see Robin, Batgirl, and Nightwing's suits in the batcave, which made me happy, as well as the batman villian cameos (although I wish that Harley Quinn could have made a brief appearance). The scene with that poor guy who gets taken away for complaining about the restaurant bill was creepy. And I have you all know that Flash is NEVER useless and this episode proves it! I also happened to like the American Flag thing at that, being the psycho patriot that I am. LOL! Besides, the American Flag is a symbol of democracy, something that the alternate world plainly lacked.

One thing that sort of bothered me: when Supes tells Flash that "he's been there before" or something to that extent at the end after evil (yes, EVIL) Superman tries to kill Flash. I mean, I get what he was saying from what Superman has done in some of the eps from the Superman cartoon series, although the titles slip my mind at the moment. It was just that he kind of chose an inappropriate time to say it, for lack of better words. I mean, Evil Superman just nearly killed Flash and he tells him, "Yeah, I've been there before"??? I mean, I don't know about you, but I wouldn't be all that happy to know that one of my best buds tells me after his evil self just tried to kill me that he "has been there before," so "there," in fact, that he would have no qualms in murdering me and can understand perfectly where his alternate evil self is coming from and why he would want to kill me. It's just not something you like to hear. And it would make me a little uneasy, anyway, or at least make me start wondering, "when have you been there before? As in, when did you have the urge to split my skull in two?" Of course, I don't think that Superman's comment was directly related to Flash, but to other people that he almost killed when he was in super-psycho mode; I think it just SOUNDED that he was talking directly about what just happened. Still, if he tried to kill other friends... But good old Flash doesn't really wonder or worry all too much about this anyway, so why should we, right?

This episode did remind me of quite a few Superman episodes, but I can't remember the titles; "Brave New Metropolis" might be one of them. The two that it reminded me of was the one where Lois gets sucked into some other alternate dimension where (I believe) she had been killed and Lex and Superman were ruling over Metropolis together. The other one it reminded me of was I think a two-parter with Darkside where Superman was brainwashed into conquering Earth...I remember Supergirl was in it and he nearly killed her. Ah, but it's been so long though since I last watched...

Another thing; I don't mean to offend anyone who may or may not have liked the alternate costumes, but I didn't like them. Not for the good guys, anyway. They made cool evil villian costumes, though! LOL! I think what bothered me most was the horrible hairstyles of Hawkgirl, Wonderwoman, and GL; why'd they go and chop off all their hair??? And GL shaved his head! WHY??? Oh, the humanity of it all! LOL! It just goes to show that when your hairstyle becomes bad, you, too, have become bad. Although I know a lot of villians with super-cool hair. Still, in JL, the hair thing became, like, symbolic of their evilness (although GL and especially Hawkgirl didn't seem too evil compared to Superman. GL just seemed a bit delusioned, and understandabley so, by Flash's death, and Hawkgirl didn't seem to have her heart in the whole dictatorship thing. As for Wonderwoman, well, she kind of is used of the whole lack of democracy thing, anyways, living in Themascara (sp?) for most of her life). I think the only costume I liked better was J'onn J'onnz...Superman's was cool, but it seemed like a villain costume and not a superhero costume, if you know what I mean. I guess that works, though...

Okay, my rambling is almost complete! I probably bored a lot of people...oopsy! Anyway, lastly, the ending REALLY worried me. I mean, Lex was president in the alternate universe and now he plans to get into politics? Does that mean that the alternate universe isn't really alternate, but more like a prediction of future events? Which means that Flash might really die then (sadness!) and the Justice League will become the Justice Lords! Which would be really bad...although, they might have learned their lesson from experiencing the original Justice Lords and not react in such a bad way...still, the ending really worries me, anyhow, mainly because of the whole Flash dying thing...which I never ever want to happen! LOL!

I hear there's a Justice League episode coming up soon about Superman supposedly dying, which actually seems very familiar...like "there-was-a-similar-eppy-in-the-Superman-cartoon" familiar...still, I actually think it will be interesting to see how the Justice League react to Superman's death as opposed to the reaction we saw when Flash died in the alternate universe. It will be fun to note the similarities and differences, don't you think? LOL!

Anyway, all in all, this episode rocks! Note why I could blab on and on about it! It left me so stunned that I wanted more! Can't wait until next Saturday's all new episode! Go Justice League!

Okay, I'm done now! Really, I am! :)

[The Drizzle]

I'll keep this short. "A Better World" is my favorite JL to date.

By the way, thanks for the widescreen airing at 1 AM, CN. :)

[Mackenzie Rainelle]

I missed the episode, so can someone help me out on a curiousity issue? What did AU Martian Manhunter look like?

[MJC]

I liked the episode, but one thing confuses me.

What exactly are they going to do with the AU Justice League? Try to put them in jail (LOL)? Send them back to their world?

[Sampo]

I missed the episode, so can someone help me out on a curiousity issue? What did AU Martian Manhunter look like?

He looked like this. Man, I can't believe I forgot take a screen cap of him...

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Justice League/mm2.jpg

[The Drizzle]

I liked the episode, but one thing confuses me.

What exactly are they going to do with the AU Justice League? Try to put them in jail (LOL)? Send them back to their world?

Didn't Lex take their powers away?

[MJC]

Didn't Lex take their powers away?

Yeah, but it seems like something that probably wouldn't be permanent. It's also odd considering how some of their powers were natural.

Even if he did, it'd be odd to just have a version of the JL locked up in jail. O_o