Knights Of The Zodiac "The Black Knights Appear" Talkback (Spoilers)

[DianaGohan]

Well this is it. The final episode of Knights Of The Zodiac at the 7:00 p.m talkback. Cause next week, it's gonna be at 12:30. It must have gotten low ratings to be pushed off to a dead time zone for SVES (but at the same time, must have done well enough to still be on. Barley) So anyway, some black knights appear and... stuff.

(Note: If this episode dosen't impress me, I aint following it to 12:30 a.m. You better be good, "The Black Knights Appear" or you're series is losing a viewer).

[Mog]

Ouch. Pushed back all the way to near midnight? That sucks......for the two people who watche this crap. If it wasn't for the crappy VA's this show could have been something. Whatever that something is, I haven't the slightest idea.

Hopefully CN will give up on this version and beg and plead for the ADV version.

[DianaGohan]

The Bronze Warriors of Order May Never Give Up, But I Do In The Knights Of The Zodiac Final Episode review (from me, DG) of "The Black Knights Appear".

Okay, It's offical:

I GIVE UP!!!!!

I thought this would be a good series. I thought this would at least be worth watching. But no, time and time again I find more entertainment staring at the computer or listening to something else then watching this series. It may be one of the first great fighting animes, but between the terrible pacing and horrible editing job, I just don't care anymore. So it's offical. The time change and today's episode was the final straw. I'm done with Knights of The Zodiac as I am with The Strip (The TNN animation block. I was sick of it the fifth week it aired. KOTZ took twice as long, but still).

And now some observations to make this a real final review.

1. Ooh look, they brought a dog into the series. Here's how little I care stupid dog and I hate it so and I like it a little bit more then the series

2. So the princess appaerntly cares more about being cruel then about saving the world? *****. Total, total *****.

3. Look, it's the scary black clone knights. Yeah I'm so scared. Whatever.

Anyway, this episode gets a C- and this series get a C-- overall (I'm imagining what the other episodes will be in comparison to this one).

That's it. I'm offically done with you, Knights Of The Zodiac. And you better watch out Zoids Fuzors. Keep the pacing you're at and I'll drop you to.

[Mog]

It took you 5 hours of this crap to make you realize it sucks? It took me 3 minutes last week and 2 minutes this week to realize.

Who got the better deal? And eyes with fewer stinging sensations?

[DianaGohan]

Hey, I like to give things time and room to grow, and don't like to give up on a series immediatley. However, I'm changing my policy on giving a show 10 episodes to impress. Five episodes should be a good enough number.

[Digu Volz]

‘kay, so why is Black Swan’s black snow white on the ground ? They couldn’t afford that much black (seriously)? Well, today, KotZ managed to improve with the continuing use of the thing called a story, though for whatever reason I can’t find a swan all that threatening regardless of how strong they may be compared to a human. Birds are pretty vicious, though, they know how to scrap old school. Anywho, Seiya sure is a selfish brat actually enjoying and looking forward to the continuation of this incident; he doesn’t really seem to care about getting the gold cloth back that much at all.

Sienna is a real prima donna. Boo hissss… And I can’t think of anything else substantial.

[Mugen]

Hey, I like to give things time and room to grow, and don't like to give up on a series immediatley. However, I'm changing my policy on giving a show 10 episodes to impress. Five episodes should be a good enough number.

If ADV's version of Saint Seiya came on, would you give it another chance? BTW, for those who have seen SS already, is the fighting in later episodes more like YYH and Dragonball style(you can see punches and kicks) or does it become like DBZ(lots of flashing and energy blasts)?

[TnAdct1]

So the princess appaerntly cares more about being cruel then about saving the world? *****. Total, total *****.

One question: was she like this in the original Japanese version, as I felt that the voice didn't match the emotions that were being shown on screen.

[musouka]

BTW, for those who have seen SS already, is the fighting in later episodes more like YYH and Dragonball style(you can see punches and kicks) or does it become like DBZ(lots of flashing and energy blasts)?

Hmm, it's kinda a mixture of both, mainly because the style of fighting is a mixture of both. It's kinda hard to explain. I guess it's partially because most Saints have a different way of battle, so you have a lot of different styles.

One question: was she like this in the original Japanese version, as I felt that the voice didn't match the emotions that were being shown on screen.

Well, right now, Saori's is supposed to be a bit on the cold, *****y side, but in this particular episode, she didn't even really mention having to get along with Seiya as a personal problem. Well, she mentioned it, but not to the intensity that the dub gives her.

::sigh:: Really, what this scene in the anime was supposed to show us was that she was full of doubts right now. It was supposed to show us a bit of a more human side, because so far all we've really seen is "Saori-the-Ice-Queen".

She was concerned about leading the Saints because they didn't trust her at this point in time. That part where she's thinking to herself about "getting along with Seiya" and how horrible it will be wasn't in the original. Actually, she was just crying against the chair. She was much more upset over her grandfather leaving her again, because she felt overwhelmed by what was expected of her.

[A SAint]

‘kay, so why is Black Swan’s black snow white on the ground ? They couldn’t afford that much black (seriously)? Well, today, KotZ managed to improve with the continuing use of the thing called a story, though for whatever reason I can’t find a swan all that threatening regardless of how strong they may be compared to a human. Birds are pretty vicious, though, they know how to scrap old school. Anywho, Seiya sure is a selfish brat actually enjoying and looking forward to the continuation of this incident; he doesn’t really seem to care about getting the gold cloth back that much at all.

Sienna is a real prima donna. Boo hissss… And I can’t think of anything else substantial.

Erm his not a swan, he's a human. Just that his cloth is potrays the black swan.
Havent watched StS for quite some time but if i didnt remember wrongly, while hyoga was fighting black swan, seiya wanted to help but hyoga refused. Well the black knights appear for a reason, seiya and co. have to defeat them to get back the gold cloth from them and yeah, saori ( sienna ) sucks in the earlier part of the series.

QUOTE=SSJ Gohan 64]If ADV's version of Saint Seiya came on, would you give it another chance? BTW, for those who have seen SS already, is the fighting in later episodes more like YYH and Dragonball style(you can see punches and kicks) or does it become like DBZ(lots of flashing and energy blasts)?[/QUOTE]

Mostly energy blasts. Actually mostly all their moves are punches, but it moves at a very speed which seems like energy flash or smth like that. You'll see punches and kicks a little too.

Lastly, at the beginning sienna doesnt care about the saving the world, she just wants her gold cloth back. LAter thru the series, athena will slowly manifest in her and that's when the saving the world thing comes. Basically now, its all just getting the gold cloth back.

[Sampo]

Well this is it. The final episode of Knights Of The Zodiac at the 7:00 p.m talkback. Cause next week, it's gonna be at 12:30. It must have gotten low ratings to be pushed off to a dead time zone for SVES (but at the same time, must have done well enough to still be on. Barley) So anyway, some black knights appear and... stuff.
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I already felt sorry for this series when I heard that DIC got their dirty hands on it. Now this happenes to it :(


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2. So the princess appaerntly cares more about being cruel then about saving the world? *****. Total, total *****.
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I thought that was a load of **** too. Pretty little princess rather have the world fall around her instead of being nice to Seiya?!!! *groan*

[Dragon_Shiryu]

It may be one of the first great fighting animes, but between the terrible pacing and horrible editing job, I just don't care anymore.

That's the only thing that don't mix. Don't confuse the original with this one. That's all.

[Joneleth]

Indeed :
Saint Seiya : best anime I've ever saw (it's way better than Dragon Ball!)
KOTZ : A series that made a million of fans cry. :(

[A SAint]

Indeed :
Saint Seiya : best anime I've ever saw (it's way better than Dragon Ball!)
KOTZ : A series that made a million of fans cry. :(

I second that. It only took two episodes and a movie to convince me that this is the best anime i'll ever get and those kenshin or eva will never come close as how it made an impact on me.

And like most fans, i cried when hades was animated.

[Conan-san]

now all we have to do is wait for Cloverway to pick this up and have it's mery-way with it.

And never dub the final story arc :D

[foncedé_o_sky]

Okay, It's offical:

I GIVE UP!!!!!

don t even know how you managed to see all these crappy eps, kotz was known to be s**t for the beginning, now that dic's basis have been established i don t know how they could go back(like"eh, at first we edited this show for mongoloid kids, with green blood, cheesy plot, moronic characters, but now we re gonna change it to the real stuff with lot of blood(red one) notions of death, sacrifice and pain", i don t think so.

I thought this would be a good series

it is a f***ing good series, don t you think a show that got this succes in Japan, and dozens of others countries(namely western europe an spanish speaking countries) must have something interesting in it?
Not a lot of serie can give birth to a sequel(which from what i heard is very succesful)15 yrs after it stopped airing.
It s just that you looked at the wrong stuff.
Just rent adv's dvds or borrow it to some1, and make yourself an opinion.

Actually, i understand how people could think that it is the show that suck, coz i didn t think it was possible to ruin a show like this with just edits, even in France where we have big edits problems, the spirits of the show still managed to shine. So, hats down to DIC, you managed to do something that i thought nearly impossible(namely totaly erasing the slightest interest in a great show, it s like turning gold to s**t, it s totally useless but you have to recognize the skills).

for those who have seen SS already, is the fighting in later episodes more like YYH and Dragonball style(you can see punches and kicks) or does it become like DBZ(lots of flashing and energy blasts)?

it s not and ll never be a martial arts series, actually the more the serie goes on the less it get physical.

Birds are pretty vicious

yeah, beware the f***ing birds, especially pigeons.


Well, just got my Vol 1, god is the box ugly..
Contents of the dvd is perfect, though.
Solid video quality(keep in mind that it s a late 80's show).
Integrity: that s the real stuff, uncut eps, not the slightest edit, subs perfectly translated(that s an A+ for me). Even the dub that i don t care about seems correct. No more moronic characters and lines, no more green blood etc..
A must buy.

[A SAint]

You know i really wanna see how bad kotz is. I really have no idea how the edits turned out to be. Its kinda fustrating to see people dissing this dissing that, and all i do is sit back watch you guys complain. Kay, and then there are people saying "oh i thought this is a good series..", of course its a GREAT series if why the heck are we here when we are not even from the US. Then why is it so popular in euro, south america and in asia? I hate it when people say StS is crappy show based on the fact that they have seen kotz. Cos when i go to other forums, i'll see StS/KOTZ. What's the / for? KOTZ is KOTZ, don't consider it to be StS.

[Dragon_Shiryu]

You know i really wanna see how bad kotz is. I really have no idea how the edits turned out to be. Its kinda fustrating to see people dissing this dissing that, and all i do is sit back watch you guys complain. Kay, and then there are people saying "oh i thought this is a good series..", of course its a GREAT series if why the heck are we here when we are not even from the US. Then why is it so popular in euro, south america and in asia? I hate it when people say StS is crappy show based on the fact that they have seen kotz. Cos when i go to other forums, i'll see StS/KOTZ. What's the / for? KOTZ is KOTZ, don't consider it to be StS.

Indeed the REAL series is loved. That's why it gets more episodes 13 years after it ended. That's why it's got a prequel manga, that focuses on OTHER characters, because the original characters are full of charisma, passion, and they are very cool just like they were made. That's why a new movie slated for February 2004 is being done. And that movie, will be the beginning for a final arc for the series. Which will also probably lead for the last arc being both animated, and being done in manga form. Not many series can do that, 13 years after they end. Usually by that time, they're forgotten. This one stayed alive :)

But you know what? Be glad you did not watch this version. I assure you that you would be groaning every single second, ok, and also laugh at the idiocy that was not there in the original.

But people that watch anime and many series have to know that the original version is not like this one. This is not "slight edits for violence". This is changing the entire subject. So no, don't confuse Saint Seiya with Knights of the Zodiac :)

[Killtacular]

Why do I think the Seiya-worshippers are full of it? I'm not sure. But I just bet that Saint Seiya has the same lame fighting, pacing, etc.

[Dragon_Shiryu]

Why do I think the Seiya-worshippers are full of it? I'm not sure..

Exactly, you're not sure.

But I just bet that Saint Seiya has the same lame fighting, pacing, etc.

The fighting? Similar, but with blows hitting. Pacing? Yes and no. The pacing is slow, but then again never to a Slam Dunk (great show too) or Dragon Ball Z level. But the actual story, and personalities are changed. The problem here is changing characters we care about, to characters that we don't care what'll happen.

So no, we're not full of it. But then again, it's up to you to take it or not.

[saki]

One question: was she like this in the original Japanese version, as I felt that the voice didn't match the emotions that were being shown on screen.

No, Princess Saori had softly feeling awkward to Seiya, just for his acting independent from foundation. She was just bewildering how she can gets along with Seiya. She never says "jerk". And she started to try being sweet and feminine toward Seiya and others at this point, according with Granpa's advice. But apparently it is not acceptable in U.S., since it seems to be subjective woman? I don't know why they changed here.

Too bad lots of people seems to give up here. I have been waiting for the next 10th episode, one of my favorite character showing up. :-D

[A SAint]

Why do I think the Seiya-worshippers are full of it? I'm not sure. But I just bet that Saint Seiya has the same lame fighting, pacing, etc.

Erm sorry but what is he talking about? Full of what? Pacing? you mean the show is slow? Can someone explain to me?

Thanks!

[Joneleth]

Well... according to Dic's site, Shiryu must risk his powers to repair the cloths! Sure....


So when does this show get cancelled, it has already destroyed Saint Seiya, so what has it to accomplsih now? :sad:

[A SAint]

Yeah, i checked the website too, not suprised of it anymore. But hey, characters do die in this series, are they gonna say they're having a long sleep?

[Joneleth]

Probably.But as things are going, the series will get cancelled soon.^^


I didn't understand full of it either. :confused:

[foncedé_o_sky]

Why do I think the Seiya-worshippers are full of it?

To like a show that has great qualities isn't to be a worshipper full of it.
Otherwise, let's just assume that all the fans(not worshippers) of all those countries are wrong. All those people who 15 yrs after still have interest in an old show that still can generate all those stuff(like a new serie, a new movie, a new manga and probably a lot more) gotta be a bunch of degenerate worshippers.

I'm not sure

yeah, we assumed that.

But I just bet that Saint Seiya has the same lame fighting, pacing, etc.

don t waste your time, betting stuff on a show that you don't know and despise, try something else to keep you busy. Otherwise you ll end posting on subject that don t concern you(since you re not interseted in the show) like today.

[foncedé_o_sky]

Shiryu must risk his powers to repair the cloths

again.., poor guy, life s tough on him, always risking to lose his powers(guess it s better than losing his life, right).

characters do die in this series, are they gonna say they're having a long sleep?

could be, after all those times where they "lose their powers"(especially poor shiryu), they do need a good rest.

[Joneleth]

I'm wondering about the fact that

SPOILERS


Shiryu will blind himself later on.

[A SAint]

I'm wondering about the fact that

SPOILERS


Shiryu will blind himself later on.

He'll probably force his eyelids to close or something like that.

[Dragon_Shiryu]

One thing I want to make clear though. I can understand people not liking the series, that's something normal with everything. Heck, it has many things that could be better (I'd pay to see a remake of the series, this time being more faithful to the manga). So I'm not saying everyone should like it. Heck, the anime and the manga is very old, so it already has a hard time entering the market in here, that is used to all the newer stuff.

But for once, those of us who have seen both versions certainly know the changes, and we know they're massive. We're not "full of it", nor aren't making stuff up. Even an online magazine, that has already a printed version, and is a professional team with a TV project and comics projects, compared both versions and know the differences, and made an article. Only thing I'm asking is not to say KotZ reflects the original source. I mean, if it were faithful, there would not be a need to have 2 different dubs, with entirely different casts. If anyone wants to give the real series a chance, it's up to them. And if they're either going to love it or to hate, they should do so on it's merits or its faults, not on the DiC version.

BTW, the site of the online magazine is this one: http://whitecygnus.com/Home.htm

(It's the same one Batmex, A Saint, and all the guys here posted :))

Oh, also, A Saint, Foncede, and everyone that wants to talk more about the series, join us over here!: http://cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/gentopic.asp?board=2000121
Just search the "Saint Seiya Q&A" topic, we're currently on the 11th version after 3 years. So be sure there'll always be fans there to talk with!

[musouka]

Why do I think the Seiya-worshippers are full of it? I'm not sure. But I just bet that Saint Seiya has the same lame fighting, pacing, etc.

Yeah, because heaven knows an opinion of someone that's never even seen the original show is MUCH more valuable than a ton of people here that have and are able to compare the two.

Plus there's the little matter that your hypothesis doesn't make any sense. If they were the same, then why would most of us get so upset over Dic's dub? A lot of us were happy when the news first came that StS was going to be released both on TV and uncut. We knew there would be cuts to the TV version...just not this dramatically.

Heh, believe what you want. Most people seem to have trouble believing there's really that much of a difference between the two shows anyway.

Personally, I've never found the pacing that bad. That's because I love the characters and the plot, both of which Dic has decided to change at random whenever it suits them. You'd be amazed how much easier something is to watch when you're actually INTERESTED in the characters and what will happen to them.

As for the action, it varies. It is an old show, but you definitely get used to it. Or maybe I just have a higher tolerance than some, because I never really got bored watching it. Again, this probably has to do with the characters.

[lostrune]

I should've said this last week, but I'll say it now since this may be the last talkback, moving past midnight 'n all:

I think Shiryu looks stupid carrying those two big boxes on his back. Those boxes just gotta go! :D

That is all. :p

[Dragon_Shiryu]

I should've said this last week, but I'll say it now since this may be the last talkback, moving past midnight 'n all:

I think Shiryu looks stupid carrying those two big boxes on his back. Those boxes just gotta go! :D

That is all. :p

Pandora's box owns you! Fear it! :p

[raykremer]

Why do I think the Seiya-worshippers are full of it? I'm not sure. But I just bet that Saint Seiya has the same lame fighting, pacing, etc.
I'm a little dubious as well, I mean, how much could they actually change? Even Cardcaptors has the same general feel as CardCaptor Sakura, just with most of the more personal bits taken out.

Still, the people who have seen Saint Seiya say that they really did manage to change a whole frickin' lot, so... maybe.

[Ikki D LEO]

I'm a little dubious as well, I mean, how much could they actually change? Even Cardcaptors has the same general feel as CardCaptor Sakura, just with most of the more personal bits taken out.

Still, the people who have seen Saint Seiya say that they really did manage to change a whole frickin' lot, so... maybe.
Look it's kinda dificult to explain how they changed the series to a person that don't like or hate the series, well not really, :D
As U may've already read in the past threads about SS(well actually KotZ 'cause it has almost nothing to do w/ the real thing) that they changed the characters, in the original they were very complete characters(I,m rigth know only talking about the main characters Seiya,Shiryu,Shun,Hyoga,Ikki and Saori)and they had a lot of depth to them. Kurumada made their personalities very diferent and complex, the only one I can complain is Seiya, he isn't as good as the others 'cause I think Kurumada thougth that the fact that he was the "best" and the leader of the bronze saints was enough. And DIC only made them look and seem like idiots(ex. Hyoga bein a surfer "dude" C'on).
The Figths:
They were good but since U can see them thanks to DIC then U can't have a decent opinion about them.
Ps. If U don't like KotZ don't watch it.. :mad:

[musouka]

I'm a little dubious as well, I mean, how much could they actually change? Even Cardcaptors has the same general feel as CardCaptor Sakura, just with most of the more personal bits taken out.

Still, the people who have seen Saint Seiya say that they really did manage to change a whole frickin' lot, so... maybe.

Well, to be completely fair here, the very basic plot has remained more or less unchanged. Does Ikki still want revenge on the Graude Foundation? Yes. Was the tournament still set up to flush evil out into the open? Yes. Are they still young boys that were trained to protect Athena? [For the most part] Yes. (What I mean by that one is that Dic has changed the ages of some of them)

Dic has cut some of the more interesting parts of the plot out, though, or dulled their impact. (some of it is understandable, some of it isn't) It really does make me wonder why Dic even thought that they could take this show and make it work as a Saturday morning cartoon here in the States. Death in Saint Seiya is really a constant. Many of the fights are fights to the death. A big theme of the series is also self sacrifice, in the highest sense. (Somehow "losing your powers" just doesn't have the same impact)

It isn't so much what Dic has done isn't so much the plot, however, but the characters. They're almost unrecognizable, and none of them are particularly likeable in the dub.

That's the main problem with the Dic dub, as I see it. I don't really care about any of them. I don't care that Shun's brother betrayed him--he seems perfectly fine with it, judging by all the laughing he does. I don't care about Seiya, mainly because there's nothing terribly interesting about him. I don't care about Shiryu; Dic has turned him into a class A jerk. I don't care about Hyoga, because he's a gibbering idiot.

If I don't care about the characters, I certainly don't care about what happens to them. In the most literal sense, yes, what you say is technically correct. It's not like the tournament only takes two episodes in the original, or Ikki is just really upset because Saori won't invite him to tea. But the whole mood of the show is changed when you have likeable characters. At least from my perspective, since I can say that I've really never felt StS to be overly dull until I watched KotZ and saw what a difference the characters can make.

The little things really do add up.

[foncedé_o_sky]

I'm a little dubious as well, I mean, how much could they actually change? Even Cardcaptors has the same general feel as CardCaptor Sakura, just with most of the more personal bits taken out.

Still, the people who have seen Saint Seiya say that they really did manage to change a whole frickin' lot, so... maybe.

like musouka said the great lines are still the same(more or less), but if you can t believe that edits and adaptation can litterally change a show, just watch that japanese movie(kind of a serious one) that had been redubbed and adapted by W. Allen(Lily la tigresse in french, don t know the english title sorry), it is now some kind of nonsensic comedy(but here,it was the goal).

Imagine you see a dramatic movie you know(say taxi driver) and it s totally redubbed by some bad actor, and you hear De Niro goes"Oh, oh, dude, am i gonna shave my head and kill some people at random coz i m a stupid moronic character"). It change some stuff don t you think?

+ without the original music, the show lose some dramatic impact.

[foncedé_o_sky]

I add that most of the people who say that SS isn t KOTZ, don t just say"oh, it s a shame, the adaptation isn t 100% perfect, how will the people like that show".
Most European countries have seen an edited version of SS(sometimes bad dub, lot of cutted scenes), so it s not the edit itself that can ruin it if there still is the spirit of the show.
But with that amount of edits, there is nothing left of that spirit.
SS is mainly about death and sacrifice, erase those 2 notions(that s what Dic did), what is left?
Not so much, just people hitting each other without any cause or objectives.
That+ the bad dub+the removed music etc...

Don t you think there is a reason that people post here(a little) an there(a lot), make site, articles, fanpages to say kotz isn t SS.
Or are we just mindless otakus living only for SS(personally i m not, and reading the other's people post i can tell they re not either).

[Dragon_Shiryu]

OK, to simplify things. Let's say that StS is a serious samurai or ninja movie. Knights of the Zodiac is "Kung POW", using the footage from that other movie.

[Ikki D LEO]

OK, to simplify things. Let's say that StS is a serious samurai or ninja movie. Knights of the Zodiac is "Kung POW", using the footage from that other movie.

Great way to put it in a few words...

[raykremer]

just watch that japanese movie(kind of a serious one) that had been redubbed and adapted by W. Allen(Lily la tigresse in french, don t know the english title sorry), it is now some kind of nonsensic comedy(but here,it was the goal).
"What's up Tiger Lily?" I believe. I've seen it. And of course, as you said, in that case it was the goal to change it. I was just thinking out loud there, if the intention was to not change things save for obvious things like death->lose your powers, even if they are completely incompetent at it, the frelled version must still somehow resemble the source material.

musouka had the best response here.

[Joneleth]

But they didn't only edit violence, they've almost completely rewritten the script. :sad:

[A SAint]

Erm, why don't you people buy adv's and compare yourself?
Still, i've never watch KotZ though, cant say much...

[Batmex]

Erm, why don't you people buy adv's and compare yourself?
Still, i've never watch KotZ though, cant say much...

Good, keep it that way, keep your eyes off this, or you will scream in agony at DIC's handywork.

[kaine23]

I wanna see the orginial now too...

[Batmex]

I wanna see the orginial now too...

GO FOR IT!

You have no idea how different(and much better) Saint Seiya is with the original music, uncut scenes, etc.

[foncedé_o_sky]

"What's up Tiger Lily?" I believe..

that s the 1.

"
I've seen it. And of course, as you said, in that case it was the goal to change it. I was just thinking out loud there, if the intention was to not change things save for obvious things like death->lose your powers, even if they are completely incompetent at it, the frelled version must still somehow resemble the source material.
.

of course there is still something of the original show, but is that enough for people to actually get to like it. Obviously not, if US is the only country where SS won t have worked it s not only coz it s an old show with dated animations(which it is) but because people confuse it with kotz.

All i was pointing with my example is that adaptation can really change(mess with) the original material. intentionally or not.

Still, if people don t like SS, well they don t, that s no pb.
But i always find it annoying to read arguments that concern what they saw of kotz and not the real stuff.

[Dragon_Shiryu]

of course there is still something of the original show, but is that enough for people to actually get to like it. Obviously not, if US is the only country where SS won t have worked it s not only coz it s an old show with dated animations(which it is) but because people confuse it with kotz.

All i was pointing with my example is that adaptation can really change(mess with) the original material. intentionally or not.

Still, if people don t like SS, well they don t, that s no pb.
But i always find it annoying to read arguments that concern what they saw of kotz and not the real stuff.

Yes, there's something of the original - the footage. But overall the dialogues, personalities, it's all very different. Again, that's why they're marketed as 2 different things. Don't take it from us fans, just ask now people that've watched the real version. Anybody will see we were right.

[A SAint]

Yes, there's something of the original - the footage. But overall the dialogues, personalities, it's all very different. Again, that's why they're marketed as 2 different things. Don't take it from us fans, just ask now people that've watched the real version. Anybody will see we were right.

The complain is not only here, in other forums the ones who had watched the original are pissed about DiC's job as well. So I guess that really depicts the extent of the difference......