All Lies?

[Who?]

How many of you believe that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, and the whole war in Irac wasn't a scam?

I'm asking because I just read somewhere that most americans think that they really proved that Saddam was conected to Osama and the Al Quaeda, which is a lie, that was never proved.
In fact, they haven't found weapons of mass destruction, as far as I know any way...they've found a couple of missiles, but nothing big enough, at least not as big as the power that be had us believe to be.

[Lucky Bob]

I love how the press just skipped over that whole Botullium finding....


-Lucky "If that's how you spell it" Bob

[Joe Mama]

I tink he had WOMD somewhere.

[The Falcon]

there are arguments for both cases

my democrat friend will tell you the double-you took over iraq just so we can have cheaper oil and gasoline, while my republican friend will tell you double-you did the right thing because saddam has been threatening his own people and we can't stand oppression. but, my idependant side will tell you both those people are idiots and for you to believe what you want to believe

Falcon

[Clayface]

I don't believe the war in Iraq was a "scam" - I believe the war was justified, because of Saddam's/Iraq's repeated violations of multiple UN Resolutions.

Here's (http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/10/05/kay.wmd/index.html) an article about some of the finds in Iraq that's worth checking out, IMO.

[wonderfly]

I believe Saddam at the very least had Weapon Programs, which were illegal for him to have. I believe it was a just war. Still, seeing as a major part of this war was sold to us on WMD's, and since we can't find any, (besides the occasional mobile lab) Bush better clarify what's going on here. I'm sure we'll find more evidence of what happened to any existing WMD's as time moves on, (I'm hearing reports they were shipped to Lebanon for instance), but it does irritate me that people who supported the war are having to defend the entire campaign simply because we haven't stumbled across any nukes.

In my opinion, Bush should have sold the war to us on the much more pertinent reasons of links to terrorism, continual violations of the U.N. accords, and the plain ol' fact that much of the Middle East needs reform, and Iraq is as good a place to start as any. But somewhere along the way, the focus became solely WMD's...

[Outlander00]

Here we go again :p

He may have had them (if he did), but he wasnt/isnt stupid enough to ever be caught with them. The reason is if he had been caught with them, he then a)lose the sympathy he had around the world (which kept the US from pushing sooner) and b) would have been able to stick it to the US (something Saddam always tried to do whenever he could).

As far as going in there, well... Im not touching that, I've said my peace enough on that issue :D

[Animation Otaku]

I do believe he had Weapons of Mass Destruction, but he was not at all connected to Al Queda, the government just used that to get the public to agree to go to war.

[Conekiller]

I don't believe the war in Iraq was a "scam" - I believe the war was justified, because of Saddam's/Iraq's repeated violations of multiple UN Resolutions.

Here's (http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/10/05/kay.wmd/index.html) an article about some of the finds in Iraq that's worth checking out, IMO.


THANK YOU!

I've been saying this for years!

[Morpheus]

WAIT! A new report!

CNN/Reuters: Latest reports from Baghdad indicate that US forces
have swooped on an Iraqi Primary School and detained 6th Grade teacher
Mohammed Al-Hazar. Sources say that, when arrested, Al-Hazar was in
possession of a ruler, a protractor, a set square and a calculator.
US President George W Bush argued that this was clear and
overwhelming evidence that Iraq indeed possessed weapons of maths instruction.

Tee-Hee...

[Crimson_lynx]

WAIT! A new report!



Tee-Hee...
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! thats great!!!
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Personally I think that we dont have the right to be over there, the US should just keep to ourselves, if we did that then many of the countrys that hate us wouldnt. We should just stay out of other nations buisness, unless its an immediate threat to the US.

[Crystalfox0]

I don't like this war in any way shape or form. I think that Bush was using the "possibilty" of Iraq having WOMD as a way to go in and get rid of Saddam.
We also should have started a war in Iraq in the first place because we never had a good reason to. A country is only supposed to attack anohter country as a defence or if attack by the other country is imminent. The war on Iraq is neither.

[EinBebop]

A country is only supposed to attack anohter country as a defence or if attack by the other country is imminent. The war on Iraq is neither.Well, by that standard: we were enforcing the cease-fire agreement that ended the hostilities from when we went in to defend Kuwait. Failure to uphold our own cease-fire agreements would make them useless in future conflicts - every war would have to result in a regime change.

[Psilon]

Well, I don't believe it was justified, well if you were to take Just war theory into account. A prudent form of action, maybe. But, I think there was a far better choice for action. Iran.

Irans populace seems to want a secularized democracy.
Iran has far greater terrorist connections than Iraq.
Iran is probably trying to make WOD.

The problem is that Iran poses a threat far greater than Saddam and right now the States cannot do anything. It would be impossible to launch another military campaign - Iraq is still a hotspot.

[purplehairedwonder]

I think that Saddam had WOMD. I think that there was a reason for going in and freeing the Iraqi people. The way I see it, Saddam has been a threat to the world for years. Other countries want Saddam gone and the threat eliminated, we just happen to have the best military and did what others wanted to see done.

But hey, that's just me:shrug:

[RogueMartian]

Do I think saddam was a horrible man and an unjust ruler:
yes, I do

Do I believe hussein had WMDs:
no, I don't

Did I think we should have gone to war:
No, saddam wasn't threatening us. North Korea has been making threats and we've ignored them. I feel more threatened by them than I ever did by hussein and I don't feel threatened by korea at all. Moreover, I don't want to think how many people in our country are going to suffer because we are spending billions of dollars over there.

Do I care anymore:
I would find it extremely difficult and tasking to care less. I'm tired of debating it, I"m tired of hearing about it, and I'm tired of hearing various white house officials continuously defend their actions. Our president is a moron, and nothing more than the equivalent of an international school bully. Now I just want to quietly get through the remainder of his term and hope he doesn't get re-elected. I know he'll probably be re-elected, in which case, I'm going to turn to alcoholism for his second term and every night toast the brilliant congress that made the two term limit.

[Sailor Gold]

Doesn't it seem funny that we only know about stuff because of what they tell us on the news. I find it kinda scary. How do we know they are telling the truth and that we can put any trust in the press. I mean really, some try to tell they found the skull of the devil when he doesn't have one. Yes, that is the Inquirer, which I would trust as far as I can throw it, but how do we know that we can absolutely trust everyone else. Hm.. I dunno, maybe I think too much. I guess I don't bother with the news and don't worry about things unless they directly affect me. That may sound selfish but if I was overly worried about across sea issues, I would have joined the marines.

That's my story and I'm stickin' to it. :)

[EinBebop]

...but how do we know that we can absolutely trust everyone else.Because of competition between organizations, we know that there can be no organized conspiracy amongst the major news outlets. Such a conspiracy would be big NEWS, and these organizations would jump at the chance to stab each other in the backs. In other words, you can trust them because they can't be trusted. :p

And of course, there's sensationalism (which includes ignoring stories that the average joe doesn't care about) and the liberal media bias tendency, which you can minimize if you consult multiple news sources.

[Calhoun07]

How many of you believe that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, and the whole war in Irac wasn't a scam?

I'm asking because I just read somewhere that most americans think that they really proved that Saddam was conected to Osama and the Al Quaeda, which is a lie, that was never proved.
In fact, they haven't found weapons of mass destruction, as far as I know any way...they've found a couple of missiles, but nothing big enough, at least not as big as the power that be had us believe to be.


Are you kidding? I haven't believed a word of what the government has told us since I was old enough to comprehend. If it was about the truth, it would be called the TRUTH, but it's called POLITICS for a reason. And as we all know in our personal lives, politics is never what it seems to be. Never.

[ninjagirl]

Who, try some alternative news sites. http://.whatreallyhappened.com http://www.alternet.org and http://www.strike-the-root.com/ are a few good ones. I've always known, conceptually, that the government and news agencies were spinning the truth or outright lying on occasion but I didn't realize how much until recently. Good luck!

[Joe Wagner]

Do I believe Saddam was in possession of banned weapons? Absolutely, read UN Security Council Resolutions 686 and 687 to see what these included and then remember the fact that he actually launched a banned SCUD missile into Kuwait during the coalition strike. You may also want to remember that we found 20 BANNED MIG fighters buried in the desert sands. As for weapons of mass destruction - I think that he was in the process of creating many of these and of already possessing many of these already. Remember the VX Nerve Gas that was reported to the UN in 1991 and suddenly in 2001 Saddam begins making claims of never possessing said materials. Much of the equipment that was imported from France and Germany was also used in making devices that could enrich uranium and scientists from many of these banned weapons programs have turned over files that support the fact he was attempting to create these weapons. For more information I would suggest that you read David Kaye's recent report.

As for the Al Queda thing - the Bush administration never said that Iraq was tied to the attacks of 9/11, you can think the media for supplying the public with these falsity. However, the administration has stated and proven that Iraq was tied to the terrorist organization. For example, Ansar al Islam was created from Al Queda funds, hid Al Queda leaders and received weapons from Saddam Hussein. Also, Prague intelligence can place Al Queda officials and Iraqi officials meeting in Prague - while initially rejected the intelligence is now considered fact. A new report was also released earlier this week tying Iraq to the training of many Al Queda terrorists. All of the evidence supports the fact that Al Queda and Iraq were working together on many occasions.

I also believe that the war was justified and should have been done far earlier. Resolutions 686 and 687 specifically stated that Saddam would not support terrorism and would turn over all banned weapons as well as open himself up for inspection. The continued support of Palestinian homocide bombers, the continued creation of SCUD missiles and importation of banned missile fuel and the kicking out of UN inspectors in 1998 more than justified the action that was taken 12 years after the initial "Cease-Fire" was broken - after all the presence of US and UK troops within a Northern and Southern no-fly zone and the continued violations of these no-fly zones simply demonstrated that the hostilities between Iraq and the coalition never truly ended.

-Joe!

[Lucky Bob]

"Alternative news" at its finest:

http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock200310210934.asp

-Lucky "Why hasn't RZetlin picked up on this? http://forums.toonzone.net/images/smilies/wink.gif" Bob