View Full Version : Since Inuyasha's in, Would Naruto Fly on Adult Swim?
JohnCrichton
09-08-2003, 11:58 PM
My first vote as a Toonami Fanboy was for this series to air there, but I've seen what Naruto can bring and there's unfortunately no way they could possibly edit really big and crucial scenes that make the series so consistantly mind blowing.
Action, story, characters, world design and character development are some of the best and most engaging I've seen since... I can't even remember.
This series is brilliant and comparing episode per episode, it's already out done Kenshin itself. I haven't seen them top the Kyoto Arc yet, but the energy from the show suggest that it could and probably eventually will.
But the main characters are all kids and it's clearl aimed at boys..... would this be alright to air on an adult block such as AS?
It's no less mature in story and content than Inuyasha, so... think there's a chance?
aesir
09-09-2003, 12:04 AM
Despite how great a show it is, its still a kids show. It has a solid amount of blood though and it would proabaly not be on Toonami. Its not impossible though. They have kenshin and thats not much worse.
Naruto is great. Its deep with great characters and a fun plot. However it does not strike me as adult so proll no AS imo
Sir Lucius
09-09-2003, 12:14 AM
Naruto has great animation, but the cost of that is every episode has to have a 10 minute flashback of what happend last time. The music's really good tho :]
Rabi~en~Rose
09-09-2003, 12:27 AM
Naruto has great animation, but the cost of that is every episode has to have a 10 minute flashback of what happend last time.
like inuyasha? *shudder* keep it far far away! http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif
SSJPabs
09-09-2003, 12:49 AM
Stick it on SVES but please keep it off AS.
I'm a big Naruto fan and I wouldn't want CN to butcher it. Naruto has a lot of blood and violence, so I imagine it would get feedback about how edited it like Kenshin was getting for awhile. Yeah there's flashbacks but they're not in all the episodes.. but the one's that have them are sometimes dominated by them.. :rolleyes:
But if it was coming to Adult Swim, I'd watch it every dang time it would be on.. :D
EightOh
09-09-2003, 01:04 AM
I'd love to see it on Adult Swim, simply because I like it so much, but as you said, it probably wouldn't fit, demo-wise. I've only seen through the seventh episode so far, though, and there is a lot that would probably need to be edited that I've seen already, which makes me fear for its broadcast television future.
Still, if Inu-Yasha can make it...
I suppose the dog-eared one has the advantage of being one of the ASA "old guard," though. Then again, that didn't help Yu Yu.
Eh, whatever. It's unlikely, but I'd be extremely happy to see it on AS, in a somewhat selfish way.
ohmrbill
09-09-2003, 01:06 AM
Well, the show's primary audience is older kids and teens, so theoretically it should go to Toonami or SVES. But as long as Inuyasha's on the block, it's kind of hard to say it can't belong on AS. =\
I think Adult Swim and Naurto would be a good fit, and I'm not sure where that recap comment is coming from, the recaps usually on span 1-2 minutes from what happened the previous episode.
My big worry is about over-exposure. I wouldn't want Naruto to become the next Dragonball Z. The last thing I would like to see if a bunch of Naruto crap all over the place and many ignorant fanboys created. If it were to be placed on Adult Swim instead of Toonami I think it would help prevent that from ever happening.
TnAdct1
09-09-2003, 01:08 AM
I'm currently watching this series at my local anime club and while, as others mentioned, the flashbacks are kind of irritating, it is still an enjoyable show that I'd like to see air on Cartoon Network (hopefully with the OP, since I like to howl along with it).
BTW, has anyone seen the Japanese Naruto video game for Gamecube? I saw a few members of my club play it at the meeting, and it looked very interesting, especially when when you consider:
1. One of Naruto's move include his infamous "turn-into-a-naked-girl" trick.
2. Sakura's super combo involves Inner Sakura (a reverse black and white sketch of her which represents her inner emotions).
I have the Naruto Gamecube game, it's awesome. If you're a fan of the series it only improves things. It is easy to pick up and play. I imported mine from Play-Asia.com and use the Freeloader disk to play it on my Cube. No mods needed.
EightOh
09-09-2003, 01:11 AM
2. Sakura's super combo involves Inner SakuraHeh, awesome. That's even funnier than Sexy no Jutsu.
Kaiser0120
09-09-2003, 01:22 AM
The series is wonderful, yes. It is pretty bloody and violent, yes. There are some adult themes that run around, yes.
But does it belong on Adult Swim?
Well... Yes, actually.
I always have believed that Inu Yasha was more for kids than Rurouni Kenshin, which I have ALWAYS believed should have gone to AS. Especially with the VERY mature themes it contains. It may be fantastical sometimes, but Rurouni Kenshin has little children going INSANE and KILLING people, a man who was twisted inside because of his job, MURDERING people. Several bloody battles and alot of drug talk... The series is EASILY more adult than Inu Yasha, and REALLY should have gone to AS.
Naruto is almost as mature as Rurouni, and more mature than Inu Yasha. Yes, it has to do with kid ninjas in training, but there are so many elements of the show that either couldn't be appriciated by younger kids, or would flat out SCAR them. Editing them would ruin the impact, feeling and/or story of the show. Rurouni Kenshin is already way too mature for Toonami, even with edits, so lets not do it with Naruto.
Naruto's violence adds impact. It's not random or meaningless. There are some parts that make you gasp and shiver because of the fierceness. I've only seen up to episode 12, and I already feel like the series is WAY too mature for a block like Toonami, unless it were to have a TV-PG rating. Atleast then it would have a fighting chance.
One of the villains had to go through a graduation test which involved the KIDS killing eachother to survive. I mean, for GOD'S SAKE, having children slaughter eachother isn't a mature subject?
I mean, I may have said One Piece was too off harsh for Toonami, but that's before I knew their REAL LIMITS. Naruto is much more mature than One Piece is, although One Piece has a less violence directed mature air about it.
Naruto has NEVER been aimed at 7 year olds. It's aimed at an audience higher than both DragonBall Z and Inu Yasha. Give it to AS to air almost unedited, or give it to Toonami with a TV-PG rating. But for the LOVE OF GOD, don't give it to Toonami with a TV-Y7 rating. It's just NOT RIGHT.
Yeah, Naruto has never been very kid oriented. There is some rather juvenile humor, but it is also very clever and witty.
As for the kid orientation... Series Spoilers
During the current story arc Naruto and others his age are participating in an exam to move to the next level of ninja. While it is not really encouraged, the kids are able to kill each other if need be. Part of it was them released into the wild so to say to fight over a limited number scrolls that each team was given. If they were to kill another team to get their scroll, they could. The opportunity is presented to those taking the test but Naruto and his friends never went that far. However, there were others around his age 14-15 who DID end up killing other groups trying to get their scroll.
MattThomasM2B
09-09-2003, 01:44 AM
Lol, I don't want to see another Kenshin situation......lol, ironic how Kenshin is on at 11:00pm now........Adult Swim time with Toonami edits.
SSJPabs
09-09-2003, 02:03 AM
All I can say about Kenshin is that I'm glad I have the DVDs. As for Naruto, I think it's aimed for roughly the same type of audience as Kenshin, the 14-17 year old set. That's not the AS demo despite TV-14 disclaimers, but then again it brings up the whole issue of "what is mature."
Example: Kenshin OAVs are definitely mature. Kenshin TV show not as mature.
How can you quantify something like that? Beats me.
Karl Olson
09-09-2003, 02:22 AM
in a sense, AS has put itself in a tough position with presidence saying, Inu Yasha is about as mature, if not less mature than Naruto, and teenage/grade school leads didn't preclude FLCL from coming to the block. I have a feeling that it'll ultimately depend on two things:
1. Who licences it. Some companies would shoot for Toonami no matter what with Naruto (Funi, I'm looking in your direction,) while others would let WS place it where it wants.
2. Where Jason DeMarco and Sean Atkins think it belongs. Ultimately, they pretty much have the final call as to which block it'll hit (exempting interferance from the distributor,) if it hits. If they think of it as they think of InuYasha, it'll hit AS, and they might even get legal to fight the S&P to get it through uncut. However, if it goes the Kenshin route, it'll end up on Toonami or SVES, with a lot of digital ink and paint.
Only time will tell on this one. The second it's licenced, we might get some clue (for example, if Bandai gets it, someone can just IM Jerry and find out something. Else if, one of US can hit an anime con with said company in attendance and bug the company at that panel,) but it's such a 50/50 split I don't we'll know until CN perhaps announces it.
Namuh
09-09-2003, 09:42 AM
Personally I would rather have Naruto on Adult Swim,I know that if Cartoon Network really wanted to put it on Toonami they could edit it to their standards ,but it wouldn't be the same for me.This is most likely due to the fact that I read the manga in Shonen Jump though,but seeing the quality of the manga and assuming that it will have an uncut version DVD,seeing it on Toonami would probably just leaving me somewhat disappointed.Heck I'm still hoping that Rurouni Kenshin will wound up on Adult Swim one day :p .I think that Naruto would do very well on Adult Swim and help make up for the changes they made to Yu Yu Hakusho for Toonami and what ever they're doing with Kenshin.
ClockStomper
09-09-2003, 12:17 PM
It would be fine to send to Toonami if they did looser editing like with Kenshin. However that will probably never happen again after the schedule changing fiasco. Toonami will probably abandon bringing in anime' with similar tone to Kenshin.
it also lies on who turns in the property. If they just send in tapes to be edited by Ws, it could end up on either of the blocks. If the deal is based on the condition it be shown on a certain block or that the company will edit the tapes to one block's standards, WS would put it there.
Ninja Centerfold technique. That's why it won't air on Toonami. (Unless they want to ruin it like Kenshin)
Infinity Blade
09-09-2003, 01:04 PM
I think the situation of what has happened with Kenshin these days very well shows WHY it's good that Inuyasha never got sent to Toonami. :p Using Kenshin now as why something dark & violent should go to Toonami now is a bad idea. So we should all most definitely be thankful that Inuyasha is where it is.
And likewise, Naruto has several things in it that would make a Toonami run difficult...
...still, at that same time, from what I've seen thus far of Naruto, it strikes me as skewing towards a slightly younger audience than either Kenshin or Inuyasha. It probably strikes me as such because, despite how violent is, the show still centers around several twelve-year olds. (Of course, FLCL centered around a twelve-year old as well, but that's just a different situation.) There are a few main adults, of course, like Kakashi, but... I don't know. It's kind of a tough show to place.
Chrono1995
09-09-2003, 01:04 PM
Kaiser0120, you have said it all, my friend. Sadly, Naurto is probably going to Toonami regardless of the fact that IY is on. Let's face it - aside from the violence and innuendo, I really don't think IY is a very mature show.
Kenshin and Naruto are far worse.
Artemis
09-09-2003, 01:39 PM
Yeah, after the Kenshin fiasco, I'm not too confident about Naruto's place on Toonami anymore. But this show could be a serious breakout hit and to be that it'd have to be on Toonami. It has tons of appeal for everyone. But the Kenshin-level violence and some of its themes...::sigh:: I don't know anymore.
ohmrbill
09-09-2003, 01:44 PM
The series is wonderful, yes. It is pretty bloody and violent, yes. There are some adult themes that run around, yes.
But does it belong on Adult Swim?
Well... Yes, actually.
I always have believed that Inu Yasha was more for kids than Rurouni Kenshin, which I have ALWAYS believed should have gone to AS. Especially with the VERY mature themes it contains. It may be fantastical sometimes, but Rurouni Kenshin has little children going INSANE and KILLING people, a man who was twisted inside because of his job, MURDERING people. Several bloody battles and alot of drug talk... The series is EASILY more adult than Inu Yasha, and REALLY should have gone to AS.
Naruto is almost as mature as Rurouni, and more mature than Inu Yasha. Yes, it has to do with kid ninjas in training, but there are so many elements of the show that either couldn't be appriciated by younger kids, or would flat out SCAR them. Editing them would ruin the impact, feeling and/or story of the show. Rurouni Kenshin is already way too mature for Toonami, even with edits, so lets not do it with Naruto.
Naruto's violence adds impact. It's not random or meaningless. There are some parts that make you gasp and shiver because of the fierceness. I've only seen up to episode 12, and I already feel like the series is WAY too mature for a block like Toonami, unless it were to have a TV-PG rating. Atleast then it would have a fighting chance.
One of the villains had to go through a graduation test which involved the KIDS killing eachother to survive. I mean, for GOD'S SAKE, having children slaughter eachother isn't a mature subject?
I mean, I may have said One Piece was too off harsh for Toonami, but that's before I knew their REAL LIMITS. Naruto is much more mature than One Piece is, although One Piece has a less violence directed mature air about it.
Naruto has NEVER been aimed at 7 year olds. It's aimed at an audience higher than both DragonBall Z and Inu Yasha. Give it to AS to air almost unedited, or give it to Toonami with a TV-PG rating. But for the LOVE OF GOD, don't give it to Toonami with a TV-Y7 rating. It's just NOT RIGHT.
There is one majoor flaw in your logic: all of those were published in Shonen
Jump (except IY, which is in Shonen Sunday, IIRC), a magazine which targets a single demographic. Many people have trouble accepting this, but Kenshin, Naruto, and DBZ were all intended and writen for the EXACT SAME DEMOGRAPHIC.
And really, the themes in Naruto aren't any more mature than the others (less so, in some cases). Yes, some of the scenes can sound pretty horrific depending on how you descrbe them, but you can make any of those sound more mature than they really are, even DBZ (decapitations, children being savagely beaten, frequent genocide). And the common themes in Naruto are still obvoisly geared toward youngsters, despite the violence (friendship, temwork, etc.).
But you are right about one thing, and after what happened to Kenshin even I can't deny it. The show would not survive on America's Toonami without major editing to the point of making large chunks of plot incoherent. Sadly, this may just be one of those shows that never make it to TV. :(
Ninja Centerfold technique. That's why it won't air on Toonami. (Unless they want to ruin it like Kenshin)
That only appears about three times total in the entire series (thus far) and even then it's only for gag purposes. It will have no bearing whatsoever on where the series goes.
Killtacular
09-09-2003, 02:17 PM
Inuyasha was a mistake, and AS can't keep making the same mistakes.
Naruto should not be on Cartoon Network.
Animation Otaku
09-09-2003, 02:46 PM
If it gets on CN it should definitely air on AS. As far as the flashback comment, I can only think of about 3 or 4 episodes that get to Inuyasha levels. And the series is more violent than anything CN has ever aired. I'd have a hard time seeing episode 18 getting through on Adult Swim, much less Toonami. And there are some very mature themes. Kids being allowed to kill each other in order to advance, savagely beating girls up and tossing their corpse around. The series is too heavy to air on Toonami or SVES, Adult Swim is really the only option. Sure it's about kids, it's not like Adult Swim hasn't shown programs about kids before.
Killtacular
09-09-2003, 02:52 PM
That's like saying "It's not like Adult Swim hasn't shown TV-Y7 shows, so they should edit them to TV-Y7!"
You need to stop belittling the fact that Adult Swim is not just some generic excuse to show near-uncut anime. It shows programming for 18-34 only. The amount of blood in a show does not automatically determine what place is right for it.
The fact is, it's a kids show that can't be seen in daytime hours.
So it should not be on Cartoon Network at all.
The problem with Naruto is that it falls in that fuzzy area of programming. It's basically a fighting anime but one that has violence and blood that would certainly make it inappropriate for toonami . It could go to Adult Swim but I don't really think that Naruto is right for the demographic CN is probably going for for Adult Swim. Like Matt said, just cuz more of the content may be acceptable being shown on Adult Swim, doesn't mean it fits there.
Even though it's a great anime and I'd love to see it for free on TV, I think it'll be hard to find an acceptable place for it to be shown without being edited majorly or significantly for content... :p
Killtacular
09-09-2003, 03:04 PM
What about Encore Action or International Channel?
Animation Otaku
09-09-2003, 03:07 PM
The problem is that no one gets those channels, and with Naruto being one of the top rated anime in Japan, the liscensor would probably want a channel that most people actually get.
Infinity Blade
09-09-2003, 04:01 PM
Kids being allowed to kill each other in order to advance, savagely beating girls up and tossing their corpse around.
...guh. O_o Maybe I should take back what I said until I see more of the show than I have thus far...
ohmrbill
09-09-2003, 04:29 PM
It's not a fraction as bad as he's making it sound.
Unless maybe, Animation Otaku, you're referring to something that happens after episode 35, in which case I'll keep my mouth shut (tough I would doubt that it could be any worse than when Videl was beaten senseless in DBZ).
Mugen
09-09-2003, 04:35 PM
What about Encore Action or International Channel?
LOL. "Encore Action."
Animation Otaku
09-09-2003, 04:40 PM
It's not a fraction as bad as he's making it sound.
Unless maybe, Animation Otaku, you're referring to something that happens after episode 35, in which case I'll keep my mouth shut (tough I would doubt that it could be any worse than when Videl was beaten senseless in DBZ).
Yeah, I'm refering too stuff that happens in episode 47 and 43 respecitvely, pretty nasty stuff.
Anime Freak
09-09-2003, 04:46 PM
Well I guess Naruto could air on Action,but I highly doubt it. Action doesn't usually show long anime series, most of theirs are short 13 or 26 episode series and they've never shown more than that. In fact,the only anime tv series I think they've got at the moment are Hellsing,Bubblegum Crisis 2040, and Blue Seed (that could change if they air another new anime series in November, which i highly doubt they will).I would say most of Action's anime are adult oriented,but Blue Seed is too much like Inuyasha to make that statement.
Now International Channel is definetly a highly probable possibility.Seeing as how they've shown Slayers and El Hazard and more like it.
Although I can see Naruto coming to Toonami, I do recall Matt Wilson saying no way to YYH, and look what happened. My foresight: Naruto will come to Toonami(of course its got to get licensed first ya know!)
Well I guess Naruto could air on Action,but I highly doubt it. Action doesn't usually show long anime series, most of theirs are short 13 or 26 episode series and they've never shown more than that. In fact,the only anime tv series I think they've got at the moment are Hellsing,Bubblegum Crisis 2040, and Blue Seed (that could change if they air another new anime series in November, which i highly doubt they will).I would say most of Action's anime are adult oriented,but Blue Seed is too much like Inuyasha to make that statement.
Now International Channel is definetly a highly probable possibility.Seeing as how they've shown Slayers and El Hazard and more like it.
Although I can see Naruto coming to Toonami, I do recall Matt Wilson saying no way to YYH, and look what happened. My foresight: Naruto will come to Toonami(of course its got to get licensed first ya know!)
Well, they did have that special on those cosplayers...
Dogasu
09-09-2003, 06:40 PM
Sadly, this may just be one of those shows that never make it to TV.
If anything, Cartoon Network has proven that the word "never" doesn't apply to them. Do you realize how many times they've proven fans wrong? "Cowboy Bebop will never air on Cartoon Network." "Neon Genesis Evangelion could never air on Adult Swim, much less Toonami." "Cartoon Network will never take an Adult Swim show and put it on Toonami." "FLCL is too insane to even be considered for airing on TV." "Rurouni Kenshin could never appear on Toonami!" One could go on.
If Rurouni Kenshin has taught us anything, it's that anything is edittable and STILL retain a coherent plot. So Naruto, while there are plenty of tough spots, would be fine on Toonami. It just all depends on 1) CN getting the rights to the series, and 2) WS deciding where to put it.
But, just to be safe: "Naruto will never appear on Toonami."
There. Now it'll definately go there.
All-Star 1.5
09-09-2003, 07:49 PM
http://toonami.animationinsider.net/thecode/akins/interview.htm
With the recent news that RK move to SVES was because of ratings and not because of content reopens the door for Naruto and One Piece to make their grand entrance. I mean if RK and YYH can still air on Toonami and SVES while still maintaing a coherent plot and still mangaing to show almost all of the violence(blood and guts included) then I see no reason why Naruto and One Piece can't air on Toonami, SVES or CN for that matter???? Both are destined to be loved by kids,teenagers and adults alike.
Besides this also reopens the door for RK to air on AS with lesser edits as well as new episodes and the OVA's. Because the show already has an adult following and it is prety clear to see that kids weren't really feeling it anyway.
JohnCrichton
09-09-2003, 07:49 PM
I'm a pretty big Toonami fanboy, and used to get pretty irritated how how "NOTHING SHOULD AIR ON TOONAMI EVER!!! NOTHING GOOD AT LEAST!" seemed to go around alot.
But in this case, it's true.
Things done in Naruto, I haven't seen done in- wait... hmmm...
Here, sure Tooami's show kids getting the frell beatin' out of them, but that's with fists and magic and whatnot.
Naruto's got kids throwing knives at each other and on occasion stabbing each other and themselves.
A very pivotal scene occurs where a certain character goes berserk, killing a battalion of men with a knife in his mouth(sounds stupid, but it's incredible when seen.).... it last several minutes and the emotion behind it and then the following scene are just waaaaaaay to important and awe inspiring for the most stuffy censor to edit with a clear conscience.
Toonami will always have a spot in my heart, but I can honestly say that you'll see Cowboy Bebop air on Toonami before you'll see Naruto.
I hope it comes to CN tho... most widely watched animated channel and this is a show deserved to be seen by everyone.
I would not want to see it on SVES. Naruto's a long as hell series.... and seeiing a show like that once a week is fwickin' obnoxious.
1. NGE was the equivalent of airing a hacked up (think Texas Chainsaw massacre hacking) TV pilot and never bothering to show the rest. It doesn't count.
2. Yu Yu was FUNi's idea, because they figured they'd make more bling bling if it was on Toonami.
3. Rurouni Kenshin on Toonami was without a doubt, the biggest waste since Giant Robot week took censored snippets of four shows and passed them off as the biggest thing to hit Toonami since uncut Gundam Wing. Williams Street learned a painful lesson, that is, when the show has enough violence for Adult Swim, put it on Adult Swim!
Naruto definetely fits in the same category as Kenshin and Inu-Yasha. If it airs on Toonami, it will be hacked, shunned, and eventually canned. And who the hell wants that?
Animation Otaku
09-09-2003, 07:54 PM
I concur. Editting Zabuza's scene in episode 19 would completely ruin the emotion. That was one of the saddest moments I've ever had while watching a cartoon, ever. Plus, the scene between Kakashi and Haku in episode 18 would also be hard as hell to edit down to Toonami standards(there'd be some problems editting it to Adult Swim standards).
All-Star 1.5
09-09-2003, 08:00 PM
I concur. Editting Zabuza's scene in episode 19 would completely ruin the emotion. That was one of the saddest moments I've ever had while watching a cartoon, ever. Plus, the scene between Kakashi and Haku in episode 18 would also be hard as hell to edit down to Toonami standards(there'd be some problems editting it to Adult Swim standards).
That's why you buy,rent,borrow, downlod,burn,steal and or fansub. I mean your casual viwer who will most likely watch the show and give it the ratings that matter probably won't care its' the otaku or the people who have alredy seen the show and want it to be shown in an artistic vision are the ones that are usually complaining.
Menion420
09-09-2003, 08:02 PM
I would so love to see naruto come to Adult swim. The thought of it being on Toonami almost makes me shiver. I can already see the crucial edits it would recieve. If cartoon network does aquire NAruto i pray it comes to Adult swim.
Big spoiler
One of the main reasons besides the death of Haku this show wouldnt fly on Toonami is Gaara. He kills many people through the Chunnin exam and later on like say another 10 or so episodes im guessing we will see his past in where he kills his mother and how hes been tormented throughout his childhood and how his father tries to assasinate him multiple times.
That's why you buy,rent,borrow, downlod,burn,steal and or fansub. I mean your casual viwer who will most likely watch the show and give it the ratings that matter probably won't care its' the otaku or the people who have alredy seen the show and want it to be shown in an artistic vision are the ones that are usually complaining.
The hacked Kenshin's ratings, well, SUCKED! Was it because it was hacked? Was it because it was slow? No one knows. But it is known the BS&P feared showing it too early, helping to contribute to putting the show on at 11:00 on Saturdays, heavily edited, a breath away from total cancellation.
All-Star 1.5
09-09-2003, 08:14 PM
1. NGE was the equivalent of airing a hacked up (think Texas Chainsaw massacre hacking) TV pilot and never bothering to show the rest. It doesn't count.
2. Yu Yu was FUNi's idea, because they figured they'd make more bling bling if it was on Toonami.
3. Rurouni Kenshin on Toonami was without a doubt, the biggest waste since Giant Robot week took censored snippets of four shows and passed them off as the biggest thing to hit Toonami since uncut Gundam Wing. Williams Street learned a painful lesson, that is, when the show has enough violence for Adult Swim, put it on Adult Swim!
Naruto definetely fits in the same category as Kenshin and Inu-Yasha. If it airs on Toonami, it will be hacked, shunned, and eventually canned. And who the hell wants that?
1. It was a special that aired uncut for one time only in the afternoon it was destined not to work.
2. Actually, YYH wasn't pulling the ratings on AS as it is on Toonami for the same reason RK wasn't pulling in the ratings for Toonami. It's not the kind that they want.
3. It wasn't the violence that turned people away it was the story and plot that turned off younger viewers and at the same time attracted older viewers moving the show to SVES was a last ditch effort to attract younger viewers and from what I can tell it's not working as they are slowly continuing to push the show back to Adult Swim hours. Not everone thinks anime sucks because they are editted.
No, if anything Naruto is destined to be a hit because it has a 12 year old likable character who is also a ninja in training and who as some off the chain fight scenes. If Toonami can promote it the right way then chances are it will be a hit. If it aired on AS then it would repel adults and attract young people and would still have to be moved to Toonami.
JC again that scene can air editted just without that much blood and maybe a bit shorter but it will still air. If anything this proves my point that otaku and people who have seen the show uncut and what this and this and this to remain uneditted or really the only ones that care and are probably a minority when it comes to major ratings of shows aired on Toonami and SVES.
People act like this series can't aired anyway but uneditted. I mean the series will air whether or not everything is left in( Big O) or if it is hacked(Yu-Gi Oh) or if it is editted resonabley(YYH or RK).
I'm actually expecting 4Kids to announce that they have it. Then I'll be forced to read the manga. But then again, reading is fundemental. :cool:
All-Star 1.5
09-09-2003, 08:17 PM
I would so love to see naruto come to Adult swim. The thought of it being on Toonami almost makes me shiver. I can already see the crucial edits it would recieve. If cartoon network does aquire NAruto i pray it comes to Adult swim.
Big spoiler
One of the main reasons besides the death of Haku this show wouldnt fly on Toonami is Gaara. He kills many people through the Chunnin exam and later on like say another 10 or so episodes im guessing we will see his past in where he kills his mother and how hes been tormented throughout his childhood and how his father tries to assasinate him multiple times.
The hacked Kenshin's ratings, well, SUCKED! Was it because it was hacked? Was it because it was slow? No one knows. But it is known the BS&P feared showing it too early, helping to contribute to putting the show on at 11:00 on Saturdays, heavily edited, a breath away from total cancellation.
The ratings didn't suck if I am not mistaken it was able to crack the top 25 in June. It was just the ratings that they didn't want (older viewers). If I am not mistaken the BS&P didn't move RK; CN did to give the show more ratings by putting it behind TT and later moving it behind Zoids: NC0 to try and attract younger viewers.
Right now though I am thinking that they are probably going to move the show to AS with less edits(hopfully uncut) with new episodes and maybe the 4 specials.
and yes reading is fundemental. :cool: besides there is to much in Naruto for even 4Kids to hack without changing the entire meaning of the show which I doubt they would even do besides the show has to have a card game or somethng for them to be intersted in. Besides it seems to me that either Funi or Pioneer will grab it.
one word Sojuro through and through.
If Toonami can promote it the right way then chances are it will be a hit. If it aired on AS then it would repel adults and attract young people and would still have to be moved to Toonami.
I don't get this quote at all, I'm an adult and *I* like Naruto. What about it would turn adults off? It has everything a good drama/comedy/action adult show should have.
All-Star 1.5
09-09-2003, 08:45 PM
I don't get this quote at all, I'm an adult and *I* like Naruto. What about it would turn adults off? It has everything a good drama/comedy/action adult show should have.
Yeah, but your in the minority most adults would look at the main characters consider the show a kids cartoon and go to bed without a second thought.
But I will repharse it."Okay, if the show was AS then chances are it would attract younger viewers repel a majority of the adult audience(if there is any since anime get lousy ratings) and still be moved to Toonami."
There we go. :cool:
Animation Otaku
09-09-2003, 08:46 PM
Yeah, but your in the minority most adults would look at the main characters consider the show a kids cartoon and go to bed without a second thought.
Like all adults dismiss Home Movies without a second thought. ;)
All-Star 1.5
09-09-2003, 08:53 PM
Like all adults dismiss Home Movies without a second thought. ;)
Okay, but Home Movies is different because it is an american animated comedy that is aired earlier in the evenings sometimes. While Naruto is an anime that will always be aired later at night and as we all know anime doesn't to well for AS. Now question who ever dubs the series will have good sense not to put it on AS seeing is how it has so many episodes; lots of merchandise; will continue to get good ratings which means new episodes; and they will probably target it to the kids seeing as how kids love it ala Dragonball franchise.
I agree if edited Naruto could probably gain a wider audience than it could if aired on AS, but I think it could attain a lot of popularity in the AS timeslot as well. I do not subscribe to your idea it would actually drive away more watchers. If it were to be placed at 11/11:30 before or after Inuyasha and think CN could have a good tandem.
If it came down to "quality of show being unedited versus quanitity of viewers it could get on Toonami" argument I would rather WS retain Naruto more unedited and place it on AS. Hopefully if the decide to pick up the show they would respect the source material enough, ala FLCL, to be able to run it in an almost unedited form. I fear though that it may end up going the Kenshin route though and air in a very edited watered down form.
What about Encore Action or International Channel?
I think Naruto would have to be on one of these channels for it to be shown on Tv. I watch Bubblegum Crisis tokyo 2040 whenever it's on Encore Action Channel and it's got everything the subs i've seen had. :p
Catlover
09-09-2003, 09:41 PM
Nurato will go to Toonami, and it will be hacked. Yet, it will be a hit with the Toonami crowd. Why? Because it has a kid, who knows ninjitsu, and fights other Ninjas.
I haven't seen the anime. I've only read what Shonen Jump has published. But that's (What I said in the above paragraph) what this seems like to me. Don't get me wrong, I love this series. But you have to look at things from the perspective of a CN bigwig. This show has great marketabilty as well. Kid's LOVE Ninja's. That's why the Ninja Turtles were popular.
Dogasu
09-09-2003, 10:10 PM
I do not subscribe to your idea it would actually drive away more watchers. If it were to be placed at 11/11:30 before or after Inuyasha and think CN could have a good tandem.
Right now, though, it's very unlikely that any anime will be airing on Adult Swim weeknights before midnight, especially when the shows they have from 11-11:30 (Family Guy and Futurama) are the highest-rated shows on the ENTIRE NETWORK. Unless the ratings of those two shows drop dramatically (and with a Family Guy movie and possibly a fourth season after that, FG's viewers aren't gonna forget about the show) then we won't see any Adult Swim anime before midnight.
If it came down to "quality of show being unedited versus quanitity of viewers it could get on Toonami" argument I would rather WS retain Naruto more unedited and place it on AS. Hopefully if the decide to pick up the show they would respect the source material enough, ala FLCL, to be able to run it in an almost unedited form. I fear though that it may end up going the Kenshin route though and air in a very edited watered down form.
Here, it sounds like you're implying that AS had more respect for FLCL and therefore edited it less than with their other shows. That's simply not the case. FLCL just didn't have any material TO edit, while other shows (Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Inu-Yasha <that is, if WS was the one who edited that>) had more "risqué" material to censor.
Shows shouldn't go to Adult Swim just because they'll be edited less. They should go there because they're adult, because there's something special about the show that doesn't appeal to little kids. Naruto doesn't fit into either category, unless you think "adult" means lots of blood and potty humor.
The only real obstacle I see in Naruto going to Toonami is that the show is still on the air in Japan, with new episodes coming out each week. Naruto is still on TV in Japan, and WS doesn't want to put any unfinished anime on Toonami in case some crucial plot point emerges that would be unedittable even for Toonami (I'm thinking stuff like rape, some child committing suicide and then said suicide becoming the main focus of an entire story arc, etc. etc.). I actually hadn't thought of that until someone brought it up last month--if someone had just mentioned that when Matt Wilson and I were arguing about putting Inu-Yasha on Toonami over on the Toonami board (this was back in June, I believe), I would've conceded my point. Ah well.
Right now, though, it's very unlikely that any anime will be airing on Adult Swim weeknights before midnight, especially when the shows they have from 11-11:30 (Family Guy and Futurama) are the highest-rated shows on the ENTIRE NETWORK. Unless the ratings of those two shows drop dramatically (and with a Family Guy movie and possibly a fourth season after that, FG's viewers aren't gonna forget about the show) then we won't see any Adult Swim anime before midnight.
I should have specified I meant Central Time. Meaning it would air after Family Guy and Futurama but before midnight for us in the CST.
Here, it sounds like you're implying that AS had more respect for FLCL and therefore edited it less than with their other shows. That's simply not the case. FLCL just didn't have any material TO edit, while other shows (Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, Inu-Yasha <that is, if WS was the one who edited that>) had more "risqué" material to censor.
I have to disagree with that, there were several "risqué" shots in FLCL. Included teenage and adult butt shots all over the place. I think the unedited InuYasha this season also shows they would like to keep the source material intact for the fans. This was my hope for Naruto. I'm not sure if in the future AS anime will have less cut from it or not. I will be interesting to see what happens with the next show they pick up. Naruto does not focus on the potty humor, it is full of good drama and good character building as well. More so than most other action shows on Toonami have been, sans Kenshin. (DB Z and G Gundam's endless near identical fight scenes come to mind)
Catlover
09-09-2003, 10:34 PM
Right now, though, it's very unlikely that any anime will be airing on Adult Swim weeknights before midnight, especially when the shows they have from 11-11:30 (Family Guy and Futurama) are the highest-rated shows on the ENTIRE NETWORK. Unless the ratings of those two shows drop dramatically (and with a Family Guy movie and possibly a fourth season after that, FG's viewers aren't gonna forget about the show) then we won't see any Adult Swim anime before midnight.
Big O airs at 11:00 on Sundays.
EDIT: You said weeknights. My mistake. Sorry. :sweat:
Honestly, Sean Atkins himself admitted that Kenshin should've been on Adult Swim. Do you honestly think he'd make the same mistake twice?
ClockStomper
09-09-2003, 11:31 PM
Kenshin wasn't AS butchered as people make it out to be. However, the whole tone and storyline of the show has little to no kid appeal. They might like the sword fights, but they were probably majorly confused during all other scenes (if it took me time to sort out the various terms and groups thrown around, how could kids do it?) Plus the fights lack the flashy energy blasts and rapid fire punches the kids are used to.
But it's a moot point. The lesson to be learned is CAN be edited for Toonami dosen't mean something should. The demographic it's for in japan means crap here. See the Big O's case.
Anyhoo, I doubt Naruto will be shown on CN at all. Dosen't fill a niche that isn't taken for either block.
Honestly, Sean Atkins himself admitted that Kenshin should've been on Adult Swim. Do you honestly think he'd make the same mistake twice?
I hope the whole story on what went wrong with Kenshin comes out someday.
Dogasu
09-10-2003, 12:47 AM
Big O airs at 11:00 on Sundays.
Notice I said Adult Swim weeknights...
MattThomasM2B
09-10-2003, 02:34 AM
2 Things.......
1. Since when was Hellsing on Encore Action!? Either somebody's wrong or I missed something........
2.....
It’s been speculated that Kenshin’s move from Toonami to SVES was brought on by the fact that Kenshin’s content was too ‘mature’ to air on Toonami, is this the reason for it’s move or is there another reason for it’s move to SVES?
Kind of… It wasn’t that the content was too mature, cuz we did the edit. Just the audience it attracted was outside the demo Toonami targets. It just skewed a little too old for us. Guess that should have been an Adult Swim show…
BOO YAH. That made my minute.
Sketch
09-10-2003, 06:43 AM
Kenshin was a ratings thing apparently and it actually did quite well overall the first week or so but then died down (it's a shame). The action just wasn't hyper enough for the casual 7-11 demo of Toonami. I don't think it will go to AS because they'd have to buy new uncut tapes to do so without the fans making a hissy fit (they always complain about something...) and not using the edited tapes would be a horrible waste of their hard work.
As for Naruto...
Naruto with Kenshin's editing would be great for Toonami. It would still have depth and it would still have all the humor and a lot of violence.
Sexy no jutsu would fly on Toonami. Naruto would probably just have a swim suit. Which IMO doens't make the gag any less funny.
Crucial points wouldn't get edited out, but in many cases toned down. Zazuba might be a problem though. I could seem them making it work somehow but I'm really not sure how.
There would still be blood, just less. YYH had quite a bit of blood in it all things considered. Naruto would get at least that much, maybe more.
Unlike Kenshin, Naruto would get ratings from the younger demographic. The series is meant for young boys in Japan and airs at about 6:30pm. While that may not "really" matter it does just a bit. Naruto is both intelligent and juvinile. I say that works for Toonami perfectly. The best Toonami shows have angst, and Naruto is chop full of it. IY actually has a higher demo-graphic in Japan and America then DBZ, YYH, Saint Seiya, Kenshin and other Shonen-Jump animes. It's in Shonen-Sunday which I believe laxes on the censorship just a bit. I've read a bit of the IY manga from Viz and well... there's quite a bit of Kagome in the bath and some heavy (I hear about the themes anyway). So putting it on AS was very good idea. Even so a middle ground block would have suited it just peachy.
The only major hang up is that Naruto isn't finished in Japan and it'll be a good long while before it is at this rate.
I'm almost certain that there might be at least a few episodes that Toonami couldn't air PERIOD, but WS wouldn't allow them to remove any story element episodes or splice episodes together. YYH and Kenshin both had one of "those" I believe but it didn't hurt the story one bit.
As long as there will be uncut DVD's I wouldn't mind Naruto being edited on television. I wouldn't want it butchered like Saint Seiya or Yu-Gi-Oh!: Duel Monsters but I don't think WS would allow any company to do that to Naruto and still air it on CN. It's new, it's hip, it could very well dethrone Dragonball as the top fighting anime... they wont let it get screwed up.
This is why we NEED a middle ground block, but Naruto on Toonami would be great IMO. I'm hoping it'll be on CN by next fall and since IY seems to be all the angst AS needs I think Toonami NEEDS Naruto.
Keiichi
09-10-2003, 10:53 AM
I'am a fan of the show but I'am also speaking logically when I say Naruto should not be shown on CN period. Not until CN can be labeled as an all ages network and is able to show anime like Naruto. I see no way to edit some key chracter devopment sceans esp the the final battle of the Wave country arc and keep the story intact. And folks it only gets more violent with the Chuunin examTheres one key scean that envolves Nartuo wiping anouther character blood off the ground with his hand and swearing to avenge the person and beyond.
In the end, WS has figured out that if a show has questionable content that puts it in AS contention, then dammit, it belongs on Adult Swim!
Sketch
09-10-2003, 02:46 PM
In the end, WS has figured out that if a show has questionable content that puts it in AS contention, then dammit, it belongs on Adult Swim!
It really all depends on who it is marketed to. I'm thinking unless Viz gets it and pulls an Inuyasha most other companies will pitch it to males ages 9 and up and teens. IY is on AS because Viz didn't want to market the series to younger viewers because it had nudity and dark themes. Naruto doesn't really have these because there are those clouds around Naruto when he performs his center-fold ninja techniques. Naruto has violence and very emmotional/extreme moments but it's the story of a young boy finding his identity, team work, friendship, the power of determination, etc and it focuses on 12 year old ninjas.
It may very well be too graphic for CN in general, but if it does come then it's more than likely going to Toonami. Adults who haven't ever heard of the series or read the manga would dissmiss it right off the bat just like they did with YYH. Not even the large ammount of younger viewers (still in the AS demo 18-21 or so) would be enough for the show to stick around. Once word gets round that there's a ninja anime on AS... the kids will find some way to watch it and it would move to Toonami causing a greater disturbance than if it was just put on there right off the bat. Let's just say it's safer.
As for not being able to edit something and make it work. I look and YYH, Dragonball, and Rurouni Kenshin and see that their stories have stayed intact despite editing and no major plot issues have come up at least thus far and then I laugh at the statement. When it comes to CN editing... NEVER say never.
William C. Maune
09-10-2003, 03:12 PM
"Kenshin was a ratings thing apparently and it actually did quite well overall the first week or so but then died down (it's a shame)."
I have seen this assertion a few times now and I'm not sure where it came from. Kenshin episodes placed in the Top 10% of all Cartoon Network airings in both May and June. Kenshin's ratings were fine, overall they approached Yu Yu Hakusho's ratings. The ratings were just coming from the wrong demograhic.
Karl Olson
09-10-2003, 03:55 PM
reanalysis of Naruto's possiblities post-new Interview:
I'd say it's still a 50/50 split. On one hand, with some well played editing, it'd do as well or better than DBZ. Might even be a break out show for CN on Toonami. However, if it skews for some reason towards adults (kids may not 'get' some of the emotion in the show, and the angst may skew the demographic toward the teen end of things too much), then it should be on AS. Unfortunately, like Kenshin, I'm not sure whether that'll be clear until it's on the air. It might behoove CN to make use of the college promotion network they've set up to beta-test some episodes of Naruto to see if they'll play to the 18-24 demo that AS has been so successful with. If not, send it to Toonami.
William C. Maune
09-10-2003, 03:58 PM
Also, if Cyborg 009 and SD Gundam are indication of a trend, CN could pick up just 26 episodes to see how well it does before getting more of the series.
livingfruitvirus
09-10-2003, 04:46 PM
Also, if Cyborg 009 and SD Gundam are indication of a trend, CN could pick up just 26 episodes to see how well it does before getting more of the series.
dont forget Lupin
Sketch
09-10-2003, 05:29 PM
That's all I ask. If they can even get through the wave country arch then Naruto will be in decent shape on Toonami. The exam could pose several problems, but it's a possibility.
IMO Naruto has ALL the great things that made Toonami great and then some. It takes all the action of shows like DBZ and YYH, the emmotion and angst of Kenshin and Gundam, and the humor of awkward situations of Tenchi and kicked them all up about 10 notches. Making for the PERFECT mix of action, drama, and comedy. Wether or not it even airs on CN is up in the air BIG TIME, but as for going to Toonami if CN gets it... they'd probably try it out there at least. Kenshin didn't stick around because kids didn't like it, and while Naruto skews a little older quite a bit it's still got that juvenile humor and heart pounding action that kids love. So it would bring in the numbers gurenteed. Heck man it's about NINJAS! IMO it will be DBZ's successor. One Piece has a shot at the throne but really people... what's cooler? Cooky pirates or psycho ninjas? I rest my case.
As far as I'm concerned, as long as Naruto gets uncut/subbed DVD's I will be perfectly happy wether it's on Toonami, SVES, or AS.
Toonami is done airing for the teen set. They want shows that are more like Yu-Gi-Oh! than Kenshin. Where does Naruto fall in that category?
Animation Otaku
09-10-2003, 06:09 PM
Naruto makes Kenshin look like Beyblade.
Naruto makes Kenshin look like Beyblade.
Then HELL NO it can't air on Toonami!
Sketch
09-10-2003, 07:09 PM
There will always be room for one intelligent show on Toonami. Right now it's Cyborg 009, soon it will be Samurai Jack, after that who knows... maybe Scryed.
The difference between Kenshin and Naruto is that Kenshin is a bit on the boring side for most kids while Naruto is none stop thrills. It's inevitable that some company will market it to boys from the ages 9-14. It's far too popular in Japan to be in obscruity here. It'll be fine as long as it doesn't suffer the fate of Yu-Gi-Oh! and Shaman King. As long as there will be an uncut version available I see no reason why it couldn't put on Toonami and still please the fans. Naruto with Kenshin editing would be fine and it would still attract younger viewers because of the characers and their nifty attacks.
Animation Otaku
09-10-2003, 07:10 PM
If kids were bored by fighting a new era and people talking about ninja groups, I doubt they'd be thrilled by Naruto and Sakura fighting against being used as tools and Kakashi and Gai going on about various different ninja villages and their reputations. Just my oppinion though.
Sketch
09-10-2003, 07:15 PM
If kids were bored by fighting a new era and people talking about ninja groups, I doubt they'd be thrilled by Naruto and Sakura fighting against being used as tools and Kakashi and Gai going on about various different ninja villages and their reputations. Just my oppinion though.
True but there are a lot Toonami shows where boing stuff happens every now and then. Honestly if they get the first 26 episodes by next fall. By the time the "training" session is over they'll be hooked and they'll crave despite anything boring that happens from then on. Heck man after the first episode they'll be hooked.
William C. Maune
09-10-2003, 07:22 PM
"They want shows that are more like Yu-Gi-Oh! than Kenshin."
If Toonami wanted Yu-Gi-Oh or shows like it on the block they would be there already. Toonami wants Kenshin on the block, but that didn't work out. One show that didn't work out so well doesn't change everything.
Sketch
09-10-2003, 07:30 PM
I think WS knows that it would be really lame to put YGO on Toonami. Especially when it could air outside of the block quite easily. I'm not worried about them ever doing it. I would be interested in seeing their take on a promo or opening for it though.
Keiichi
09-10-2003, 09:24 PM
Naruto with Kenshin editing would be fine and it would still attract younger viewers because of the characers and their nifty attacks.
The thing is though naruto is more violent than Kenshin at times. And really you should wait til the Kyoto arc is over before giving the editers such praise. There is one very messy scean that will be hard to edit. Perhaps the hardest edit of all. I want to know how much of the series people that want Naruto on CN have seen or read. Ask yourself can this really air on CN edited? You can edit anything but the key trick is trying to keep the story and feeling intact. Do you really want this show on Toonami so badly even though it would more than likley be watered down? To me that price is too high. I really like this show and want it where it can be experienced with as little edits as possible. Yes you can bring up the DVDs but even so I don't want to see somthing like that happen to it. There are some people who maybe can't afford the DVD's. To them this watered down ver will be the only way for them to see it and frankly it would be a shame. A real shame.
Artemis
09-10-2003, 10:56 PM
'k, I got an idea. Not Toonami. Not Adult Swim. Not SVES. Perhaps CN can take a gamble at premiereing it during Primetime. While Toonami is focusing on kids only and AS focuses on adults only, everything else on Cartoon Network (possibly including SVES, I'm not sure which age group its targetting, if it's targetting one at all) is fair game for all ages. So they can edit accordingly and every single rating will count. Sound good?
Sketch
09-11-2003, 02:07 AM
'k, I got an idea. Not Toonami. Not Adult Swim. Not SVES. Perhaps CN can take a gamble at premiereing it during Primetime. While Toonami is focusing on kids only and AS focuses on adults only, everything else on Cartoon Network (possibly including SVES, I'm not sure which age group its targetting, if it's targetting one at all) is fair game for all ages. So they can edit accordingly and every single rating will count. Sound good?
Sounds perfect except CN seems to not like airing anything TVPG outside of Adult Swim (except for The Iron Giant). If they started doing that then it would be perfect. Have 7pm-9pm be comedy and 9pm-11pm be animes that don't fit anywhere else. Thus giving Naruto, One Piece, and Detective Conan good homes on CN. Something I've suggested before actually. A no name block of excellent anime that don't suit Toonami or Adult Swim well.
Personally I think best case scenario for Naruto would be airing it at 10pm with only extreme violence toned down a bit.
All-Star 1.5
09-11-2003, 10:24 AM
The thing is though naruto is more violent than Kenshin at times. And really you should wait til the Kyoto arc is over before giving the editers such praise. There is one very messy scean that will be hard to edit. Perhaps the hardest edit of all. I want to know how much of the series people that want Naruto on CN have seen or read. Ask yourself can this really air on CN edited? You can edit anything but the key trick is trying to keep the story and feeling intact. Do you really want this show on Toonami so badly even though it would more than likley be watered down? To me that price is too high. I really like this show and want it where it can be experienced with as little edits as possible. Yes you can bring up the DVDs but even so I don't want to see somthing like that happen to it. There are some people who maybe can't afford the DVD's. To them this watered down ver will be the only way for them to see it and frankly it would be a shame. A real shame.
Personally, I think it can air on CN editted and still come across with the plot but maybe with about 80% of the emotion. The point of the matter is that if it airs on AS then it will never reach its' fullest extent in terms of popularity. I mean from what I have heard and read the series is like fire over in Japan. If you air it somewhere where nobody knows about it then how can it ever become popular it will just become another cult classic and I don't think that term fits the series. It would be a real shame if a series of that magnitude didn't air anywhere but Toonami, SVES, or CN primetime where it could become extremely popular.
Well, the I guess you could maybe rent the DVD's or maybe steal the DVD's or perhaps download the episodes or the most likely borrow the dvd's from a friend.
The show could air on CN prime but the thing about that is; I don't think CN has any faith with anime outside of the block format or unless the anime is extremely popular. So it could air on SVES which is like number 2 or number 3 in terms of overall action block ratings; If they can air YGO and Pokemon and each of those series has like 100+ episodes then I guess they can air Naruto which has like 50+ episodes.
Sketch
09-11-2003, 01:45 PM
By the time CN could get Naruto it would probably have at least 3 seasons worth of episodes (roughly 70 or so). CN really ought to give anime outside of SVES, AS, and Toonami a chance. As of now there are 4 series that air outside of a block. Zoids CC on weekday mornings, YGO and Pokemon on weekday evenings, and Hamtaro on Sundays. I say they should switch out YGO and Pokemon for some more serious anime and leave them to air in the mornings or just in SVES (it's not like they aren't played enough already).
I really want Naruto to become popular. I want it to give anime a GOOD name. I want the video games and the collectables. I want uncut DVD's and the movie (not out yet even in Japan). While it has a chance of doing that on Adult Swim, but it's not as good a chance as airing it on a prime time weekday slot (or slightly later primetime but have it heavily advertised), Toonami, or SVES. I want people to realize there are more kinds of anime then just kids stuff and adult stuff. Naruto could do that if it's market properly. Not just for kids but not banning them either.
Basically putting Naruto on AS would ban the shows expected demo-graphic from watching it and that's hardly fair. While CN may never find a BETTER anime than Naruto (IMO it's the best bar none) they could probably find a anime that fit AS better.
Keiichi
09-11-2003, 02:56 PM
Personally, I think it can air on CN editted and still come across with the plot but maybe with about 80% of the emotion. The point of the matter is that if it airs on AS then it will never reach its' fullest extent in terms of popularity. I mean from what I have heard and read the series is like fire over in Japan. If you air it somewhere where nobody knows about it then how can it ever become popular it will just become another cult classic and I don't think that term fits the series. It would be a real shame if a series of that magnitude didn't air anywhere but Toonami, SVES, or CN primetime where it could become extremely popular.
I am not calling for it to air on AS. I'am saying it can't air on CN period. Not until they are (if ever) labeled as an all ages network and can show stuff like naruto in primetime with little edits as possible. Also it sounds like to me that you've never seen an episode. I higly suggest you do or pick up the most recent issues of Shonen Jump cause they should just about be at the bridge battle. And mind you they had to change the way things went in the anime than they did in the manga because was certain scean was considered to brutal to air on Japanese televison.
The show could air on CN prime but the thing about that is; I don't think CN has any faith with anime outside of the block format or unless the anime is extremely popular. So it could air on SVES which is like number 2 or number 3 in terms of overall action block ratings; If they can air YGO and Pokemon and each of those series has like 100+ episodes then I guess they can air Naruto which has like 50+ episodes.
Actaully it only has 49eps as of now with the manga (183 chaps) still going. Let me leave you with a couple of images from the anime and you tell me it can air on toonami. WARNING THE FOLLOWING IMAGES CONTAIN SPOILERS! DO NOT CLICK ON IF YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING RUNIED. THIS IS YOUR WARNING!. Pic1 (http://pic7.picturetrail.com/VOL198/1402135/2671339/33041196.jpg) Pic2 (http://satyr.homelinux.org/gai-lee.jpg) Pic 3 (http://www.myimgs.com/data/kazamishima/naruto4.JPG) Pic 4 (http://www.myimgs.com/data/kazamishima/naruto5.JPG)
Pic5 (http://www.hostmysig.com/data/merco/_ANBU-AonE__Naruto_40__03D464BA__0001.jpg)
Pic 6 (http://www.blazenetwork.com/4images/details.php?image_id=2071)
ohmrbill
09-11-2003, 03:11 PM
Actaully it only has 49eps as of now with the manga (183 chaps) still going. Let me leave you with a couple of images from the anime and you tell me it can air on toonami. WARNING THE FOLLOWING IMAGES CONTAIN SPOILERS! DO NOT CLICK ON IF YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING RUNIED. THIS IS YOUR WARNING!. Pic1 (http://pic7.picturetrail.com/VOL198/1402135/2671339/33041196.jpg) Pic2 (http://satyr.homelinux.org/gai-lee.jpg) Pic 3 (http://www.myimgs.com/data/kazamishima/naruto4.JPG) Pic 4 (http://www.myimgs.com/data/kazamishima/naruto5.JPG)
Pic5 (http://www.hostmysig.com/data/merco/_ANBU-AonE__Naruto_40__03D464BA__0001.jpg)
Pic 6 (http://www.blazenetwork.com/4images/details.php?image_id=2071)
The things is, those particular images, with the exception of the two with kunai (and pic 5 which is apparently so gruesome that the page "cannot be displayed" :p), are no worse than DBZ. And the kunai are only worse because of the fact that they're sharp metal instruments.
Sketch
09-11-2003, 03:14 PM
Alll those images could have some blood removed and would be fine... other than the last one I don't see anything to obscene (psychos might be a bit much for the kiddies). Even the first image could still have sufficient blood and get the point across. It just wouldn't have as much blood.
The bridge scene would be a bit difficult but I've learned to never say never when it comes to editing a show for CN.
Blood rarely is THAT important to the story. Thus far I've seen two parts of the story where the blood is important. That first image, which I've already explained and
Hinata's fight against Neji
But I've yet to see episodes anything between the bridge fight and episode 44.
Keiichi
09-11-2003, 03:16 PM
The things is, those particular images, with the exception of the two with kunai (and pic 5 which is apparently so gruesome that the page "cannot be displayed" :p), are no worse than DBZ. And the kunai are only worse because of the fact that they're sharp metal instruments.
I'll come up with better pic later I'am about to head off to work so its a rush job. :p But pic 5 works just fine for me.
Keiichi
09-11-2003, 08:39 PM
Alll those images could have some blood removed and would be fine... other than the last one I don't see anything to obscene (psychos might be a bit much for the kiddies). Even the first image could still have sufficient blood and get the point across. It just wouldn't have as much blood.
ITs not the blood thats the problem. its what Naruto is doing with that Kunai won't fly on Toonami. And if you think Psychos will be a problem then they are really going to have a problem with Gaara (http://www.luna-fx.com/Naruto/gaaracrazy.jpg) Not too mention explaing what his sand is composes of.
The bridge scene would be a bit difficult but I've learned to never say never when it comes to editing a show for CN.
Speaking of the bridge here are some more better images to get my point across.
Image 1 (http://www.animechains.com/naruto/screen_show.cfm?maxi=33&image=10&ep=16)
Image2 (http://www.animechains.com/naruto/frames/19/12.jpg)
Image4 (http://www.animechains.com/naruto/frames/19/13.jpg)
Image5 (http://www.animechains.com/naruto/frames/19/11.jpg)
Image6 (http://www.animechains.com/naruto/frames/19/17.jpg)
The biggest problem here is object being impailed into the human body. We learned this all to well in Kenshin with the battle with Saito and the blind guy. However this time it would be a real pain the arse to edit it properly and theses sceans are needed to tell the story.
Blood rarely is THAT important to the story. Thus far I've seen two parts of the story where the blood is important. That first image, which I've already explained and
Hinata's fight against Neji
But I've yet to see episodes anything between the bridge fight and episode 44.
Yes I agree blood isn't important but their are some other rather brutal sceans that will make it hard to air. like the sound nins arms exploding in the pic and them going into full detail why it happend
Sketch
09-11-2003, 08:47 PM
If that one scene you described last isn't nessessary then it could be cut out. Sure people would booh and hiss that Toonami is butchering the show but it's better than having an episode cut or something.
Bloody details...
Actually the Sound Nin's arm thing isn't that bad, not like the manga where an arm actually gets blown OFF his body. The end of Haku is also toned down from the manga, where Kakashi's arm goes clear through the body. I think some digital paint could be used at various spots, but man, hopefully they won't make any stooopid edits. They may just turn the blood black, I know they've done that several times. They could do that with Hinata's blood when Naruto makes his promise. Though early in the series when Naruto stabs himself with the kunai, that might be cut, which would be unfortunate sense that is a really important scene, with a hilarious bit right after it.
JohnCrichton
09-11-2003, 10:26 PM
Here's an idea... have that weak SVES block go five days a week and air all the children's programming they wanna air on it and kick Toonami up to Primetime, so that i can air the middle grown youth/adult programming like Gad Guard and Naruto.
Then I'd be a happy little Power Ranger. :anime:
Sketch
09-12-2003, 03:36 AM
Here's an idea... have that weak SVES block go five days a week and air all the children's programming they wanna air on it and kick Toonami up to Primetime, so that i can air the middle grown youth/adult programming like Gad Guard and Naruto.
Then I'd be a happy little Power Ranger. :anime:
I'd love that too John. Very much so, but remember that Toonami's main ratings HAVE to be children so they can't do that until they get braver with their properties. Toonami would make an excellent middle ground, but until they change that, it's still for kids. It'll probably always be for kids, but even Naruto edited on Toonami would be enough to satisfy me.
Keiichi
09-12-2003, 12:22 PM
I'd love that too John. Very much so, but remember that Toonami's main ratings HAVE to be children so they can't do that until they get braver with their properties. Toonami would make an excellent middle ground, but until they change that, it's still for kids. It'll probably always be for kids, but even Naruto edited on Toonami would be enough to satisfy me.
Even if it gets edited to a shell of its former self? Can you tell me how they can show Naruto's scean with the Kunai and the whole Bridge battle without of effecting key story elements? Face it Kenshin was more than WS bargained for and there greatest editing test is still come with that series.
Here's an idea... have that weak SVES block go five days a week and air all the children's programming they wanna air on it and kick Toonami up to Primetime, so that i can air the middle grown youth/adult programming like Gad Guard and Naruto.
Then I'd be a happy little Power Ranger. :anime:
Yes, my little spandex clad friend, that's the best idea I've heard in weeks.
Infinity Blade
09-12-2003, 12:33 PM
Here's an idea... have that weak SVES block go five days a week and air all the children's programming they wanna air on it and kick Toonami up to Primetime, so that i can air the middle grown youth/adult programming like Gad Guard and Naruto.
Then I'd be a happy little Power Ranger. :anime:
...no offense, but somehow, that seems just a little backwards. o_o;; Especially when it's about as close to a "middle-ground" block as we'll probably get for awhile, what with .hack//SIGN, and then Kenshin being moved from Toonami to there, then kicked back even later there because of various factors.
Of course, I still find the Toonami VS. SVES thing kind of stupid, since as I've said many, MANY times before... they're both Cartoon Network.
Sketch
09-12-2003, 02:10 PM
Even if it gets edited to a shell of its former self? Can you tell me how they can show Naruto's scean with the Kunai and the whole Bridge battle without of effecting key story elements? Face it Kenshin was more than WS bargained for and there greatest editing test is still come with that series.
I've got fansubs and I'll probably buy the uncut DVD's. So wether it airs on Toonami or not doesn't matter to me. I just think Naruto should get a shot of dethroning DBZ and showing people that there are great animes out there other that which show up on Adult Swim and Tech TV.
Keiichi
09-12-2003, 11:13 PM
I've got fansubs and I'll probably buy the uncut DVD's. So wether it airs on Toonami or not doesn't matter to me. I just think Naruto should get a shot of dethroning DBZ and showing people that there are great animes out there other that which show up on Adult Swim and Tech TV.
So you just want it on toonami to try and dethron a show thats been in this country for 6 years? It ain't gonna happen. DBZ was one of the conerstones laid in the path in the building of anime fandom in this contry. I'am all for showing people theres much better anime than DBZ but, I also want the shows to retain their dignity. And with the restrictions CN has on it now AS would be the only place for it but unfortunatly its not AS material. Naruto is'nt even liscened yet (thank god) and probley won't be til some time next year. Maybe then CN will be labeled as an all ages network and can show it and other anime with little or no editing.
ClockStomper
09-12-2003, 11:32 PM
They wouldn't even put it on Toonami until it was finished in japan or the episodes are all produced and available for CN to see. They'd NEVER put an anime on that hadn't been fully produced and finished yet. You never know when a series may go in a direction that CN won't like.
Networks don't do this (there was one point when Digimon was only 7 episodes behind japan) but they pick stuff that are realitvley safe from going in controversial directions.
NewLib
09-12-2003, 11:39 PM
Call me crazy, Clockstomper, but have we forgot about Inu-Yashu. You know the show thats on episode 40 something while it is still being made in Japan (and it looks like it wont end anytime soon).
Animation Otaku
09-12-2003, 11:58 PM
Call me crazy, Clockstomper, but have we forgot about Inu-Yashu. You know the show thats on episode 40 something while it is still being made in Japan (and it looks like it wont end anytime soon).
But Inuyasha is coming on Adult Swim, so they don't really have to worry about the show taking a turn that would make it unedittable.
Unless (don't read if easily offended)...
The solve the whole Kagome/Kikyo thing with a three way...
Sketch
09-13-2003, 02:05 AM
So you just want it on toonami to try and dethron a show thats been in this country for 6 years? It ain't gonna happen. DBZ was one of the conerstones laid in the path in the building of anime fandom in this contry. I'am all for showing people theres much better anime than DBZ but, I also want the shows to retain their dignity. And with the restrictions CN has on it now AS would be the only place for it but unfortunatly its not AS material. Naruto is'nt even liscened yet (thank god) and probley won't be til some time next year. Maybe then CN will be labeled as an all ages network and can show it and other anime with little or no editing.
Well no I don't want Naruto on Toonami just so it could take a stab at dethroning DBZ. I want it there so it could get noticed and so it's demo-graphic could actually watch it. Naruto is a show for young men and young men watch Toonami (some AS but most complain about how late it is... past their bed time :D). Sure Naruto is going to need more editing than anything else yet shown on CN thus far but it's still a show for young men just like DBZ, YYH, and Kenshin. How it turns out ALL depends on who licenses it.
CN should be an all ages network but it's never going to be. We just have to live with that. Anime in American gets edits, it's just the way it is. So thankfully there are uncut DVD's (usually... Dang 4kids). As far as fixing Toonami, Naruto is just what the doctor ordered.
I know adults could enjoy it (I'm an adult and it's my favorite anime) but it's not Adult Swim material. Violence doesn't make something adult. It just makes it violent. If AS is going to be used as a crutch to show uncut anime (or near uncut) then it shouldn't be called Adult Swim.
Inuyasha and Naruto have several similar qualites. They both have death, heavy violence, a lot of blood, juvenile humor, semi-nudity, and some dark themes. What sets Inuyasha appart from Naruto even though Naruto is more violent more often, IY is a lot about the relationships which in turn means there is a lot more inuendo and innapropriate dialogue. Sure Naruto and IY both swear quite a bit (actually Naruto's on Yusuke's level there) but you don't see Sasuke trying to get someone to bare his child or making the moves on Sakura. It's a stupid reason why they are different yes, but it is the reason. You can't have Miroku without his jokes but you can have Sasuke without blood gushing out of his arm.
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