View Full Version : The pool of new shows (or lack thereof)
I've spent the last week enduring the living hell that was adultswim.com's message boards. What I found out after going through their show suggestion threads, and mods, WS employees, or common sense shooting down 99.9% of the suggestions (Ramna and EVA won't air. Get over it) I found something quite odd, and almost a bit disturbing for the future of Adult Swim.
The pool of new shows has become very shallow. I mention nothing specific, but it seems that there's less choices than ever.
Agree or disagree?
rmarti3926
09-08-2003, 08:36 PM
Agree. If AS only acquire more comedy-oriented Anime like Love Hina, and more American-made action shows like Invasion America, Adult Swim future might be bright. But William Street wants to go by its own rules. I wish Mr. Mike Lazzo (executive producer os AS) have more of an open mind.
ClockStomper
09-08-2003, 08:37 PM
When in doubt, they should look for some oldies to air inbetween the acuisistions they can hype. Mobile Suit Gundam, Escaflowne, stuff like that (since editing them to Kenshin standards probably isn't going to happen anymore, they probably won't end up on Toonami.)
I wouldn't worry, more stuff will becoming out of japan like FLCL that CN will jump on. Wolf's Rain maybe one (heavy Bebop creator involvement.)
sKorpia
09-08-2003, 08:42 PM
Didn't FLCL already make its appearance on CN?
livingfruitvirus
09-08-2003, 09:29 PM
i dont think the pool of AS shows is dry at all. i mean, we can't have a new series pop in every month. look at Toonami! how often do they get a new show? of course they seem to be liking the lengthy shows nowadays. but with Lupin in the *******, Inuyasha's the only 100+ episode series AS has. not to mention Adult Swim isn't interested in any anime that predates 1996 unless it was EXTREMELY popular in Japan.
i still dont hold hope for comedy anime (FLCL had some action sequences). especially if it interferes with their gem original shows. sometimes i feel Cartoon Network's mission to mainstream anime to adults is a lost cause. i'd like to see Adult Swim commission an original, USA-made action series (face it. we need one). however, Adult Swim doesn't rely on anime. it gets lower ratings, but because it's cheap it profits. so it's virtually expendable. anime's not going to be the savior of Adult Swim. it's a guest compared to the originals and the FOX shows. speaking of FOX, maybe a season 4 of Family Guy isn't too far off. the movie shows that FOX is interested in continuing the show. that would definitely help fill the AS pool of shows.
Roger Smith
09-08-2003, 09:52 PM
hmmm i have been wonder why cant they air Gasaraki or Orphen
there pretty mature shows and load with actions
but Gasaraki is strange you mustk now a little of japanese mythology to understend it
Batlhasar
09-08-2003, 10:02 PM
Gasaraki is way too slpw of a show for Aldult Swim fans. It's unbilievably boring at the begiining and doesn't really pick up too much pace at the end either. Bad choice for AS.
And Gasaraki is owned by ADV and I bleive Orphen is too. I don't think we'll see any of them too soon. Actually I don't think we'll ever see them at all because there are definitely better shows out there.
Roger Smith
09-08-2003, 10:18 PM
=*( you hurt my feeling
well to the point
there no other Anime like Inuyasha if you want something like it get Dragoon Quest but Dragoon Quest To classic so it wont air
here are my 2 choises
1-Saber Marionettes J to X or J
2-Soul Hunter (its funny)
3-X
but i think it own by action so it could be Star Ocean or Final Fantasy
Will Sturnick
09-08-2003, 10:42 PM
I picked "Not Yet". ASA is just in a lull right now, God knows that Toonami's had 'em. Thing's will probably pick up again by November.
however, Adult Swim doesn't rely on anime. it gets lower ratings, but because it's cheap it profits. so it's virtually expendable. anime's not going to be the savior of Adult Swim. it's a guest compared to the originals and the FOX shows.
Even without Family Guy and Futurama, the other Comedies still out perform Action? Guess that was made apparent with last Sunday's Top 3.
Though I still remember the days when Yu Yu Hakusho was at one time Adult Swim's highest rated program.
Kaiser0120
09-08-2003, 11:01 PM
NOT quite yet. They SHOULD be getting more shows, though. Such as Vandread, Ghost in the Shell: SOC, X: The Series... They also REALLY need to get in good terms with ADV. I wanna see some ADV shows on AS bad.
Carolina Red
09-09-2003, 11:32 AM
I assume that if they want to air a new show, then I guess they will have to contact whoever owns the studio that made the show or whoever is responsible for allowing their shows to be aired by others. Has anyone ever though of how long it would take to get some kind of response from these studios, especially if so many of them are based overseas?
That, and the process of dubbing programs into the English language could take a while since they would need to give exact translations, so I think that could factor into the process of which shows they would look into. I know that "John Callahan's Quads!" would be a little easier to get, since it is originally in English and the international affairs studios for it is based in Canada. I'd like to see that sometime.
Sketch
09-09-2003, 11:44 AM
Even without Family Guy and Futurama, the other Comedies still out perform Action? Guess that was made apparent with last Sunday's Top 3.
Though I still remember the days when Yu Yu Hakusho was at one time Adult Swim's highest rated program.
Yeah I do too, but it's too bad that was just because kids were tuning in. Otherwise YYH probably could have stayed on Adult Swim.
Joe Mama
09-09-2003, 11:57 AM
I picked not for a long time, because I think if they just get on good terms with these studios, they could license more shows.
I wouldn't mind seeing comedy anime, I love that stuff, and plus there's new anime being made all the time in Japan just think of all the possibilities WS. has.
And now for my thoughts...
1. The most popular shows seem to be WS comedies, but while they are incredibly expendable, you wonder just how long before people get sick of reruns. It will happen, eventually. You can only make Shake do so much. And besides Aquaman and Friends, which doesn't seem to be coming here, WS doesn't have any brand new show on the horizion, at least for another year.
2. The anime filter that Adult Swim has on right now is truly ridiculous, baring all except shows personally liked by WS (the excellent FLCL, and the unfortuatley cancelled Lupin III), and formulaic anime. Edits are down, but the amount of anime is down as well. It seems as of late that the CN grabs shows as soon as they're released domestically because of the filter. I'm still pretty sure 99% of Adult Swim fans would rather see Beserk than Kikaider.
3. ADV seems to be holding all the cards in the anime distribution market, with nearly all the hotter titles, and their anime network spreading to cable companies like wildfire. Hate to say it, but sooner or later, Cartoon Network will have to adress the issue.
4. Considering that they're aren't any comedies on other networks waiting to be cancelled (unless they want to get Stripperela or something), the third party comedy block is in a serious rut. Funding for new shows may have to come.
I still believe that if these trends continue, the ratings won't feel it for about six months. But after that...
Bottom line- Something will eventually have to give. WS's policies, or their ratings.
bassist
09-09-2003, 01:00 PM
We're good... as long as Fox quits messing with which episodes can air... but BRING BACK SADDLERASH, DAMMIT!
Karl Olson
09-09-2003, 02:28 PM
2. The anime filter that Adult Swim has on right now is truly ridiculous, baring all except shows personally liked by WS .
And I think this is the most important point. With FLCL's success (or so Williams Street claimed in a card,) the door should be open for pushing towards more comedy driven anime, and some of those anime could be great for transitioning between Futurama and the rest of animes. However, Sean Atkins and Jason DeMarco, outside of Tenchi, Lupin and FLCL, seem to have a real animecomedyphobia.
There are enough action driven series out there at this point to sustain the block for a while if they acquire them:
Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
Witch Hunter Robin
Wolf's Rain
Licenced by Royality
Texhnolyze
Kiddy Grade
Arjuna (Jerry Chu said it's in consideration at some networks, he just couldn't specify which. Doesn't rule CN out though.)
That's good for a year or two I'd say, and there are some other series in on the horizon in Japan that might work.
and if WS can open up to comedies with action elements again, we can add:
Mahoromatic/Mahoromatic: Something More Beautiful (possible, especially post FLCL)
Onegai Teacher (unlikely. no network is currently considering the property according to Jerry Chu.)
Fruits Basket (CN's probably already passed on it, because you know Funi would have tryed to push it. Shame, cause the dub is IMHO, Funi's best to date.)
Granted, this assumes ADV and WS never see eye to eye on what ADV wants on CN, and what WS wants on CN. If they can get on track, the action list roughly doubles, and couple of comedies with action elements become possible too.
Additionally, if the anime section seems to be unable to hold the Futurama and Family Guy viewers as it stands now anyway, their is probably not that much risk in experimenting with some other genres. Giving a series that no one else is interested in anyway a run through once isn't that risky. If it bit in the ratings, you can probably afford to can it immediately anyway because it should have cost very, very little to buy. If does even modest ratings, you're in great shape, because again, it probably cost very little to buy.
Killtacular
09-09-2003, 03:02 PM
Certain genres of animation simply do not and will not find an audience in television. The sooner people understand and get over this, the better.
Not to mention, comedy in anime sucks. Especially (but not limited to) dubbed comedy anime. Oh sure, say Excel Saga! Then try to come up with another example. You can't.
The average example of Japanese humor is pure, relentless cheese. Oh, but be sure to follow it up with a facefault or angry eyes! Especially the same take... over and over and over...
If you took an anime and translated it with professional American sitcom writers, delivered by professional American comedy voice actors, you might come up with something actually funny. But that's just not gonna happen. Because that would "betray the creator's vision". So too bad.
Misato Tanaka
09-09-2003, 03:55 PM
Certain genres of animation simply do not and will not find an audience in television. The sooner people understand and get over this, the better.
Not to mention, comedy in anime sucks. Especially (but not limited to) dubbed comedy anime. Oh sure, say Excel Saga! Then try to come up with another example. You can't.
The average example of Japanese humor is pure, relentless cheese. Oh, but be sure to follow it up with a facefault or angry eyes! Especially the same take... over and over and over...
If you took an anime and translated it with professional American sitcom writers, delivered by professional American comedy voice actors, you might come up with something actually funny. But that's just not gonna happen. Because that would "betray the creator's vision". So too bad.
Ping Pong Club is a hell of alot funnier than family guy(ive only seen it subbed, cant speek for the dub).
and dont think im like, a fanboy of some sort, as i dont like anime that much and love shows like family guy/HM/mission hill
Mynd Hed
09-09-2003, 04:15 PM
Certain genres of animation simply do not and will not find an audience in television. The sooner people understand and get over this, the better.
Not to mention, comedy in anime sucks. Especially (but not limited to) dubbed comedy anime. Oh sure, say Excel Saga! Then try to come up with another example. You can't.
The average example of Japanese humor is pure, relentless cheese. Oh, but be sure to follow it up with a facefault or angry eyes! Especially the same take... over and over and over...
If you took an anime and translated it with professional American sitcom writers, delivered by professional American comedy voice actors, you might come up with something actually funny. But that's just not gonna happen. Because that would "betray the creator's vision". So too bad.
It's rare for Wilson and I to agree on much, especially when he's making broad generalizations like this (no offense, Matt-- this is a topic that calls for broad generalizations). But I just don't think comedy anime is going to find much of an audience on American television. I mean, anime in itself is enough of a niche market: comedy anime is a tiny niche market within a niche market.
I, personally, just plain don't get the humor in the vast majority of anime comedy. I don't get what's so funny about sweatdrops, facefaults, one geeky guy somehow attracting a harem of willing women but never actually having sex with any of them, a character suddenly going "chibi" at strange moments, animation styles radically changing from one scene to another, any of it. No offense to those of you who do "get it"-- good for you. I like plenty of stuff that the vast majority of the viewing public will never understand, there's nothing wrong with it.
But the thing is, I'm an anime fan, and an animation fan in general. I get on the Internet and talk about this stuff ad nauseam. I'm part of that very small minority of Americans who's even willing to sit down and watch a comedy anime, or any anime, in the first place. If I can't understand the humor in a comedy anime, then what hope is there for the rest of the nation? Darn little, as sad as it might be for the fans of comedy anime.
So as far as anime goes, yes, the pickings are slowly but surely becoming slimmer. There are a couple titles that haven't yet come to the States that, by reputation at least, seem tailor-made for AS. (Wolf's Rain, Witch Hunter Robin, and GitS: SAC seem like the most promising to me.) There are one or two other titles that could possibly be aired if content standards were to loosen up even a little bit more than they already have, and there are probably a few others that I can't list because I've never even heard of them. Between them, I think those should serve to keep AS's anime going for another two years or so at the pace they're going.
Comedy, too, is getting kinda sparse: there just aren't too many more second-hand franchises they could acquire a la Family Guy, Futurama, Mission Hill, Oblongs, etc., that don't already have their rights tied up by other companies.
The solution? More original programming. The new episodes of Big O, and Home Movies are a good start, as is the upcoming Venture Bros. series. It seems to me that after another year or so has come and gone, WS is going to have to seriously consider stepping up production of original programming if they don't want the block to stagnate. More new series, more new episodes of old series, more everything.
And as far as I'm concerned, the production of more original AS programming is the best thing that could possibly happen to AS. So what am I complaining about? Absolutely nothing. The folks at WS aren't stupid. They'll keep the good stuff coming, and I'll be right here to watch it as they do.
The problem is that people get it. But what they also get is a dearth of programming. The old saying "Desperate times call for despeate measures" may end up fitting nicely once they're done milking Inu-Yasha (it's inevitable that the show will end, and made worse since they had the nerve to cancell Lupin.)
Killtacular
09-09-2003, 05:50 PM
I'm not sure there's anything TO get.
And oh, the NERVE of them. The nerve of Cartoon Network to cancel the lowest-rated show on Adult Swim of all-time. More like, the nerve of people who can't tolerate old animation. They're the ones who forced CN to make that decision.
Animation Otaku
09-09-2003, 06:01 PM
Lupin got lower ratings than Pilot Canidate and Reign? :eek:
True Noir
09-09-2003, 06:03 PM
I wonder what new shows are coming?
True Noir
09-09-2003, 06:04 PM
Pilot Candidiate was a billion times bettter than reign(my opinion)
Animation Otaku
09-09-2003, 06:05 PM
0 time a billion equals 0.
jeffrey 228
09-09-2003, 06:09 PM
Dout that is not over for the new episodes/shows, because we still got plenty, and it will be for some time before we are done.
Well I didn't know that somehow that show got lower ratings than Pilot Candidate, okay? Proof that Cartoon Network's viewers have no taste, whatsoever.
DianaGohan
09-09-2003, 06:30 PM
Not to mention, comedy in anime sucks. Especially (but not limited to) dubbed comedy anime. Oh sure, say Excel Saga! Then try to come up with another example. You can't.
What about FLCL? That was technically a comedy anime (with some action tossed in) and that was very funny at times.
I don't know what to really say about getting new AS shows though. Maybe they should try something like Harvey Birdman Attorney At Law: A CN Produced 11 Minute Original Show. You know, sometime after the Venture Brothers premieres, like in late 2004 for somewhere around there.
Killtacular
09-09-2003, 06:33 PM
Outliers are outliers. FLCL wasn't "funny", either. You can't just throw in random pop culture references.. you have to add a twist. FLCL did no such thing. Hell, at one point they simply said "HAMTARO" for NO real raisin. They just said it to see if people would go "OMG THEY SAID HAMTARO". Sadly, a few people did.
What I need is an extensive list, not exceptions to the norm.
Outliers are outliers. FLCL wasn't "funny", either. You can't just throw in random pop culture references.. you have to add a twist. FLCL did no such thing. Hell, at one point they simply said "HAMTARO" for NO real raisin. They just said it to see if people would go "OMG THEY SAID HAMTARO". Sadly, a few people did.
What I need is an extensive list, not exceptions to the norm.
Hehe, raisin.
Animation Otaku
09-09-2003, 06:43 PM
Outliers are outliers. FLCL wasn't "funny", either. You can't just throw in random pop culture references.. you have to add a twist. FLCL did no such thing. Hell, at one point they simply said "HAMTARO" for NO real raisin. They just said it to see if people would go "OMG THEY SAID HAMTARO". Sadly, a few people did.
What I need is an extensive list, not exceptions to the norm.
Actually, Kamon was talking about accidently killing his classes Hamster as a kid and then started talking about anime Hamsters because he was an otaku.
Killtacular
09-09-2003, 06:49 PM
I don't recall him saying anything about anime hamsters. He was talking about how he killed a hamster, then all hell breaks loose outside, and the teacher says "Hamtaro" out of nowhere.
I don't recall him saying anything about anime hamsters. He was talking about how he killed a hamster, then all hell breaks loose outside, and the teacher says "Hamtaro" out of nowhere.
Still though, Matt's right, FLCL seems to be the exception, rather than the norm, hamster refrences and all.
SirLemming
09-09-2003, 07:56 PM
Calm down, calm down. Like any other network, Cartoon Network only gets a few new shows per year. And I think Adult Swim is going above and beyond normal expectations in that department. The only difference is that their animes air daily, as if syndicated, so they go by more quickly. But really, how many shows can you expect them to get in such a short period of time? They currently have 3 animes with new episodes and several comedy shows with new episodes. That's plenty.
But in regards to the general question of where they can go next...
I'd really love to see them get Vision of Escaflowne. I loved the heavily edited version on Fox before it was canceled, so I figure the real version must be a masterpiece. I realize they may still have some deal with Fox, but... Hey, so does Futurama. It can't be impossible to get it, right?
Wolf's Rain seems like a likely candidate, after it gets to the point where it's been out for a year or so.
Same goes for Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex.
"Technically" FLCL is a comedy? No it's not! FLCL is just... FLCL. It's got too much to it to be in any one genre, really. In any case, regardless of what genre you put it in, it's always going to be the exception.
Jimmy Kustes
09-09-2003, 08:44 PM
FLCL is a musical. We need to get more musicals. Animated music videos.
Make something new with a band like Tenacious D or MC Chris like Pink Floyd's The Wall
HAMTARO!
Mynd Hed
09-10-2003, 12:10 AM
Can we please steer this debate away from shows we like/don't like on AS and whether or not FLCL is funny and get back on topic? Thank you.
And speaking of which... SirLemming is absolutely right. Adult Swim has been snapping up new acquisitions like they were a dime a dozen, and all we can think to do is say, "Dude, what if they run out and we actually have to go TWO WHOLE MONTHS without a new AS premiere?!" like it's the end of the world. For shame.
I think Wolf's Rain may be too bishounen for AS. At least in terms of how I fear many outspoken homophobic teenage AS fans will react... Not that I didn't enjoy the series...
They drew Blue's human form hot... what can I say?
SSJPabs
09-10-2003, 02:09 AM
Hmm well I must be one of 5 people who were utterly utterly capitvated by Reign. I sat there and kept saying "That's historically accurate! That is too!" which I guess was a large part of my enjoyment as well as listening to an unbelievably high-brow script.
Anyhow, I agree with Mynd and Matt on this one. Although partly I wish AS would stop airing SO MANY new shows, I feel its a bit of overkill. I don't think "Comedy" anime would do because they just aren't really very funny. It's all in-jokes or very Japanese style humor which while I get it, it wouldn't do very well dubbed. Don't even get me started on "romantic comedy" anime... I don't think FLCL was very funny either. I never did anything more than occasionally smile at it. It was really interesting, and the music was mind-blowing but actually funny? Not to me. Even Excel Saga is a niche type show, and at this point AS can't afford a lot of niche type shows.
I really loved Lupin. It was consistently the funniest show on AS during it's run and I loved it because of the pop culture references and innuendos. It's the only AS show (aside from a few Cowboy Bebop episodes) that's ever actually had me laughing out loud. Can I understand why they took Lupin off? Sure I can, even if it's too bad. I would love a Japanese anime that was Americanized if it was really funny.
Can we please steer this debate away from shows we like/don't like on AS and whether or not FLCL is funny and get back on topic? Thank you.
And speaking of which... SirLemming is absolutely right. Adult Swim has been snapping up new acquisitions like they were a dime a dozen, and all we can think to do is say, "Dude, what if they run out and we actually have to go TWO WHOLE MONTHS without a new AS premiere?!" like it's the end of the world. For shame.
The problem seems to stem from that. The pool of new shows was overfished too quickly, and now there's too few shows left. Without ADV, AS knows that anime that fit their standards aren't common. But they went fishing almost every two weeks anyway. And now they're going to pay the price in the long run.
What happens, one year from now, when Adult Swim Action's only new thing are unaired Inuyasha eps, and Comedy's only new thing is a new season of Sealab?
Joe Mama
09-10-2003, 11:04 AM
What happens, one year from now, when Adult Swim Action's only new thing are unaired Inuyasha eps, and Comedy's only new thing is a new season of Sealab? Then I'll watch just that.
Plus you have to remember like I said before, there are new anime being made everyother once in a while, plus if they do get on good standards with ADV. then that just increases the possibilities.
Killtacular
09-10-2003, 11:39 AM
The thing is, I have a feeling Sealab 2021 will be the first of the WS shows to be cancelled. Though it wouldn't be next year. It would be whenever they grow tired of it.
There will always be ATHF and Brak, because Brak is somewhat of a mascot, and the ATHF is the true successor to Space Ghost's style of humor.
As for new acquisitions, chill out. Every year has a small dry patch. We already had it this year. In March. No new AS premieres AT ALL. Repeats for the entire month.
September and October will at least have: Big O 2, ATHF, Sealab, Brak Show. And in November, ATHF, Sealab, Brak Show, Space Ghost, Home Movies, Family Guy, Futurama.
Yeah, that's a real dry spell alright.
Nabuca
09-10-2003, 12:07 PM
Williams Street has plenty of shows that they can pick from when it comes to anime, they just have to look in the right spots.
Now and Then, Here and There - I seem to mention this show at least once a post, heh
Zeta Gundam - Will CN and Bandai make up their mind, it seems that the fate of this show changes every damn time someone interviews Bandai.
The Vision Of Escaflowne - The perfect fantasy show for AS and unlike Inuyasha things actually happen in the show.
Beserk
The Record Of Lodoss War OVA
City Hunter
The thing is, I have a feeling Sealab 2021 will be the first of the WS shows to be cancelled. Though it wouldn't be next year. It would be whenever they grow tired of it.
There will always be ATHF and Brak, because Brak is somewhat of a mascot, and the ATHF is the true successor to Space Ghost's style of humor.
As for new acquisitions, chill out. Every year has a small dry patch. We already had it this year. In March. No new AS premieres AT ALL. Repeats for the entire month.
September and October will at least have: Big O 2, ATHF, Sealab, Brak Show. And in November, ATHF, Sealab, Brak Show, Space Ghost, Home Movies, Family Guy, Futurama.
Yeah, that's a real dry spell alright.
What happens three months from now when Futurama is in it's fourth run of old material, and Family Guy's in its third?
Space Ghost hasn't had any new episodes since 2001.
ATHF is going nonstop for 18 weeks? Reckless. After that, you won't see new episodes of the Aqua Teens for at least six months.
If Sealab really is the first show to go, when? It might take time.
Action's pool is all but empty, outside of Witch Hunter Robin (maybe) and new Inu-Yasha eps. They overfished early, and now they're paying the price. Escaflowne is still owned by Fox, so that's out, Beserk is too friggin violent (not to mention the rape scene that's pivotal to the story) for Adult Swim, so that's out, City Hunter is owned by ADV, which is seems will never agree with the CN, and Z Gundam, well, only the good Lord knows where that shows going.
Killtacular
09-10-2003, 01:31 PM
What happens three months from now when Futurama is in it's fourth run of old material, and Family Guy's in its third?
Doesn't seem to bother people. The way Adult Swim continuously drops and gains viewers, it's always new to some people. That's why The Oblongs was continuously #1 on Sundays.
Space Ghost hasn't had any new episodes since 2001.
They don't do Space Ghost for ratings anymore, so I don't see what possible point you were trying to make. Just cause it hasn't had new episodes in a while doesn't mean people have forgotten about SG. We'll let the SG DVD sales tell a tale about that. They'll watch the new episodes.
ATHF is going nonstop for 18 weeks? Reckless. After that, you won't see new episodes of the Aqua Teens for at least six months.
The 24 episodes of ATHF were finished a few months ago. They're already at work on the next batch, so it won't be a long break until more episodes arrive.
If Sealab really is the first show to go, when? It might take time.
I have a feeling they've run out of ways to mess with the viewer.
Action's pool is all but empty, outside of Witch Hunter Robin (maybe) and new Inu-Yasha eps. They overfished early, and now they're paying the price.
Big O doesn't count as an action show anymore?
I fail to see what CN has done wrong. The "pool" was "all but empty" in February-March. Not now.
Their anime pool is nearly empty. They just might be able to get away with showing Family Guy and Futurama reruns for the next ten years, but it'd be like syndicated Simpsons. People would eventually tire.
The only reason Space Ghost's on the block is to cover 15 minutes that might or might not have belonged to Aquaman and Friends had it appeared here.
And once Big O's done in October, rerun city. Unless the CN wants to help fund another season. (Something that I highly doubt)
Infinity Blade
09-10-2003, 03:01 PM
Their anime pool is nearly empty.
Eh? You can't expect them to air everything new ALL the time.
We've had FOUR new anime in the past month. May it have been a good idea to wait? Maybe hold Blue Gender off until Inuyasha's finished with its new epsiodes? Perhaps. But Blue Gender can still get a couple more runs in without being run into the ground. So can FLCL, and Inuyasha's new episodes. Not to mention giving all of Big O's 26 episodes a weekday run. Plus, there's definitely more Inuyasha on the horizon, and the possibility of Witch Hunter Robin.
The pool is hardly "dry" right now. We just have to wait until they announce their next string of aquisitions. And, as it's been pointed out, there's plenty of comedy premieres coming up. So, as Matt Wilson said... chill out.
William C. Maune
09-10-2003, 03:06 PM
Also, people often think they know everything that is out there. However, Williams St. has definitely been able to pull quality shows out of nowhere. Hardly anyone had heard of Cyborg 009, Big O, Zoids, etc. before the premiered. To a lesser extent this would apply to Reign and Kikaider as well.
Karl Olson
09-10-2003, 03:22 PM
Action's pool is all but empty, outside of Witch Hunter Robin (maybe) and new Inu-Yasha eps.
Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
Wolf's Rain
Licenced by Royality
Texhnolyze
Kiddy Grade
Arjuna
yeah, that sure is empty. Granted some of those shows might not turn up for a bit, (GITS:SAC might not show up until 2005 and most of rest of those shows are still in the dubbing process, but could show up by mid 2004) but there is stuff in the can (Arjuna, and don't laugh, Jerry Chu says some networks are looking at it) that could go on when ever AS needs it.
This doesn't even take in to account another Kikaider or Cyborg 009, IE: something almost nobody knew about, but is awesome anyway. Who knows what could come out of left field and blow us all away.
Sheesh. In the past month we've had FLCL, Blue Gender, new Inuyasha and season 2 of Big O added to the block, three of which are still showing new episodes as we speak, and people are already complaining about wanting more anime on AS?
Also, people often think they know everything that is out there. However, Williams St. has definitely been able to pull quality shows out of nowhere. Hardly anyone had heard of Cyborg 009, Big O, Zoids, etc. before the premiered. To a lesser extent this would apply to Reign and Kikaider as well.
This is an excellent point. A lot of people are making lists of what they feel is left for AS to pick up when the fact is there are many other shows out there most of us have never heard about that could blow us away if/when they show up in the future. WS has done such a good job this year of picking up titles we either loved but didn't think they could get or those we knew nothing about and ended up loving upon seeing that I'm not too worried about this blocks future.
But I guess we'll always have those who freak out if a new show isn't announced every three weeks.
Tienshin
09-10-2003, 04:15 PM
Personally I am content with AS…August was an incredible month, and I am still feeling the effects of the sleep deprivation. So naturally we have to endure some second and third runs of shows for a while, certainly not the end of the world by any means. I say give it some time, those guys have something planned.
Killtacular
09-10-2003, 04:20 PM
Their anime pool is nearly empty.
I'm sure WS is really sorry that they can't give you something new EVERY night, every hour.
They just might be able to get away with showing Family Guy and Futurama reruns for the next ten years, but it'd be like syndicated Simpsons. People would eventually tire.
Yeah, they're SO tired of older episodes of the Simpsons. That's why the Simpsons DVD sets are only, uh, selling MILLIONS.
The only reason Space Ghost's on the block is to cover 15 minutes that might or might not have belonged to Aquaman and Friends had it appeared here.
No, the reason Space Ghost is on the block is to hype up the 6 new episodes that air next month. Aquaman and Friends was a series of interstitals for Cartoon Network LA that was never going to come to Adult Swim, but was misleadingly reported in one CN press release back in 2001.
And once Big O's done in October, rerun city. Unless the CN wants to help fund another season. (Something that I highly doubt)
The story practically completes itself but leaves it open for more, so even if it doesn't get more episodes it's essentially finished.
CN isn't limiting their interest in exclusive anime to just Big O.
I think Adult Swim has more than enough new stuff to keep it going for quite a while, and they did say there's a surprise in the Spring or something like that, didn't they? :shrug:
Captain Harlock
09-10-2003, 04:39 PM
"No, not for a long time." Adult Swim has always found ways to aquire quality shows which attract viewers. With that being said, I believe that they can find new shows when the time arises. Since most of the established shows are receiving new content, there really is no need to go and get new shows at the moment. When that time comes, I'm sure Adult Swim will receive another hit. Just take a breath and enjoy the present.
SSJPabs
09-10-2003, 05:43 PM
I couldn't agree more with that. WS and AS have rarely played us false. Just relax, laugh at FG and Futurama, turn your brain off for IY, switch it back on for Blue Gender go the bathroom and get a snack during Trigun http://forums.toonzone.net/images/smilies/wink.gif and break into the Bistros for Bebop.
I really believe AS will be around and in good form for a long time to come, and just remember we've lived AS's golden age!
I'm not expecting new shows every hour. I'm just worried that they're just not that much left. If they aired their aquasitions a bit more spaced out, there will still be something new to talk about.
Rabi~en~Rose
09-10-2003, 10:16 PM
am I the only one that cares for re-runs? unlike seemingly most of you I can't begin to afford all these great series. so I gotta watch while I can. you're all happy AS is going 6 hours but yet why? most of that time will be repeats of repeats! and even when it's a different show every 30 mins it'll still mostly be all repeats!
right now we got one new show that isn't even done its first run, and 3 shows with new eps! that's not bad at all! and how can the 18 new athf's get old?! it's aired just once a week! by the time each of these get repeated once new eps will probably already be here! http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif
RedTail
09-11-2003, 01:42 AM
Did someone from WS make a post stating that they were no longer going to pursue Pioneer for more Lupin, or is this all still fan speculation? Sources/Links?
- RedTail
herbkir
09-11-2003, 02:03 AM
November is when we might see the shape of AS action to come. The new Inuyasha block and the FLCL repeat will have finished their runs as of Nov. 6, meaning the 12-12.5 slot could be open for some new show or new episodes of a current show as of Nov. 10.
Likewise, the 12.5-1 timeslot becomes available for something new Nov. 3, after Blue Gender completes its repeat run. Of course, AS could just start yet another rerun of Inu or BG. (^_*)
SSJPabs
09-11-2003, 02:16 AM
Don't forget, November is sweeps month so we'd likely see something either during sweeps or just after to take advantage of being one of the few places with new shows.
I've spent the last week enduring the living hell that was adultswim.com's message boards. What I found out after going through their show suggestion threads, and mods, WS employees, or common sense shooting down 99.9% of the suggestions (Ramna and EVA won't air. Get over it) I found something quite odd, and almost a bit disturbing for the future of Adult Swim.
The pool of new shows has become very shallow. I mention nothing specific, but it seems that there's less choices than ever.
Agree or disagree?
As I wish I had more time to dig through this thread, I feel compelled to respond to your initial statement here.
First, beat, I recall, back in my heyday, you CONSTANTLY proclaiming the imminent death of Adult Swim, and how the Saturday night block had ruined things and the loss of the Wed. night repeats was something they could never recover from. Also, about this same time of year, last year, when new episodes were being created for ALL the original shows, you were predictably impatient then as well and constantly spoke on how the regurgitation of Toonami shows into the ASA block and all old episodes on ASC was a sign of the blocks near-death.
How shocking to see it happening again, even though we have 5 nights of Adult Swim now and, soon, a 6 hour block (3 hours + 3 hours of repeats) to make sure people like me (who don't get home from work until 1 am every night) can watch all the shows as they air (not to mention West Coast folks).
So, Beat, my advice to you, as it was then, is Chill. It'll be cool, just quit getting so anxious when the block gets stagnant for awhile. The true blue fans stick through the thick and thin, and know that things will get better again if you wait.
SSJPabs
09-11-2003, 05:53 PM
Everything needs it's doomsayers. It keeps the rest of us from being too optomistic and keeps us grounded in realism. Thanks BD!
herbkir
09-11-2003, 08:49 PM
In looking through the pool of possible anime you don't want to cross off the action shows that, while not made as adult fare, do have appeal to adult viewers. If you look to the past, Yu Yu Hakusho and Tenchi Muyo weren't really "adult" shows but they did quite well with the young adult demographic. I enjoyed them and I'm definitely an adult. (^_*)
Sheamon
09-11-2003, 09:10 PM
What I found out after going through their show suggestion threads, and mods, WS employees, or common sense shooting down 99.9% of the suggestions I found something quite odd, and almost a bit disturbing for the future of Adult Swim.
The pool of new shows has become very shallow. I mention nothing specific, but it seems that there's less choices than ever.
Agree or disagree?
Adult Swim premiered 4 new animes in a one month period. You've still got not one, not two, but THREE of those shows still airing new episodes now. The pool is far from empty, its just that they (IMHO foolishly) blew through their current supply of new shows far too quickly. There's a huge library of titles to choose from with new shows like Wolf's Rain coming to that library next year when production's finished. Just because you'll only have one anime with NEW episodes next month does not mean its the end of the world.
My opinion/prediction? Adult Swim will have a nice surprise for us in November, but DON'T ever expect what we got in August to ever happen again. They shouldn't have done that. Cowboy Bebop: Knocking on Heaven's Door perhaps. I'd expect Wolf's Rain and Zeta Gundam next year, Zeta has no TV deal because lets see, maybe because its still atleast 4 months off at the earliest? C'mon, they never announce things that far in advance except for that ridiculous Toyfair thing early this year which ended up being complete nonsense anyway. F91 too.
ClockStomper
09-12-2003, 12:37 AM
I'm hoping they already have KOHD, and are waiting to spring it as a Halloween surprise. I'll stick with this futile hope until Wilson stomps on it with the crushing boot heal of reality.
Adult Swim premiered 4 new animes in a one month period. You've still got not one, not two, but THREE of those shows still airing new episodes now. The pool is far from empty, its just that they (IMHO foolishly) blew through their current supply of new shows far too quickly. There's a huge library of titles to choose from with new shows like Wolf's Rain coming to that library next year when production's finished. Just because you'll only have one anime with NEW episodes next month does not mean its the end of the world.
My opinion/prediction? Adult Swim will have a nice surprise for us in November, but DON'T ever expect what we got in August to ever happen again. They shouldn't have done that. Cowboy Bebop: Knocking on Heaven's Door perhaps. I'd expect Wolf's Rain and Zeta Gundam next year, Zeta has no TV deal because lets see, maybe because its still atleast 4 months off at the earliest? C'mon, they never announce things that far in advance except for that ridiculous Toyfair thing early this year which ended up being complete nonsense anyway. F91 too.
Thank Goodness you're still here, Shea =) Your voice of reason was always a pleasant antidote to the doomsayer-ish-ness of Beat =P
Adultswim.com, or as I like to call it, Anime fan circus, has put up a rather lenghly list of shows that aren't going to Adult Swim. There's only one I want to punch them for, but all seriously narrow the gap.
Any Gundam Show: Come on now...Gundam belongs on Toonami or the saturday cartoon block. There's nothing remotely adult(mature, not pornographic) about a gundam show.
Outlaw star, Tenchi, Pilot Candidate or any past Adult Swim show from Saturday: With the exception of Cowboy Bebop, all the shows from the beginning of Adult Swim's Anime block known as AS Action are gone seeing as they no longer have the broadcasting rights for them.
Bevis and Butthead: For suggesting this, you deserved to be slapped. Seriously.
Ren and Stimpy: See Bevis and Butthead.
Invader Zim: Hmm...if it's on Nickelodien or however it's spelled, then what makes you think it'll <a>: come to cartoon network or <b>: be even remotely close to being Adult Swim material.
Naruto and any other unlicensed anime: If it hasn't been licensed, it's not coming to Adult Swim for a long time. Adult Swim doesn't license and Dub work. The distrubiting companies that pick up anime do. Also, those are two shows that would fit in on Toonami than Adult Swim
Anime Movies: From the looks of things, they dont' plan on airing any anime movies for a while since they had me delete that large thread in the Show suggestions some time ago.
The Tick, Dilbert, Duck Man, The Simpsons, South Park, etc: Any show on another network will not come to Adult Swim. This one applies to other anime as well, including those curently shown on The Anime Network and Tech Tv's Anime Unleashed.
Classic Anime: If it's classic, it'll go duirng the day, during Saturday, or during Toonami unless it fits in with the standards of Adult swim.
Samurai Pizza Cats: I loved that show too...but it's not coming back on Adult Swim and that's a fact, jack. It's old and childish.
Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Z, Dragon Ball GT, Dragon Ball Bull@#$%: No, no, no, no, no, no *thawaps over the head over and over with a baseball bat* Although I'm not allowed to..it's my general opinion you should be banned just for even thinking about suggesting those.
Sailor Moon: No. Not Adult...and uncut doesn't change a thing.
Any show being requested to be seen uncut: If it NEEDS to be shown uncut to be any good, then get it out of here. FLCL was great because it was great and it DIDN'T need to be edited.
Ranma 1/2: Williams Street already said NO. If you remember from the showing of Tenchi and all the effort they went thorugh to edit it, its pretty obvious it ain't happening.
Slayers and Escaflowne: Held in the deathgrip of Fox/Disney.
Any Transformer show: Yeah..I know Beast Wars is good, but it's a saturday morning cartoon show...not a late night action show.
Any show currently on another part of Cartoon Network: If it's not on Adult Swim, it's probably there for a reason. Leave it be.
One Piece: Seems to be more Toonami material...Acutally, a lot more like Toonami material..as I've heard it's been licensed by our friend that everyone loves to hate: FUNimation.
If this isn't proof that they were foolish airing anime like they were commercials, then what is? Kenshin's out, any Gundam is out, Escaflowne's out, uncut ANYTHING is out, and anything that predates my little 5 year old cousin is out.
Joe Mama
09-12-2003, 07:30 PM
One Piece: Seems to be more Toonami material...Acutally, a lot more like Toonami material..as I've heard it's been licensed by our friend that everyone loves to hate: FUNimation.
Would kids/preteens, want to see this show on Toonami? I've never seen it myself, but isn't it more plot than action?
And also what are they aiming at exactley when it comes to shows? They took out a wide list of things that could've been shown.
Revelator
09-12-2003, 07:33 PM
Ping Pong Club is a hell of alot funnier than family guy(ive only seen it subbed, cant speek for the dub).
and dont think im like, a fanboy of some sort, as i dont like anime that much and love shows like family guy/HM/mission hill
I could not agree more. (The PPC dub is best avoided btw.) It's just a pity PPC would probably end up getting butchered if they decided to air it (all those penises would probably have to go).
As for the rants about how unfunny anime comedy...do you people think the Japanese would find any of Adult Swim's comedies that funny?
For verbal-based comedy to travel (as opposed to say, a Buster keaton short, which practically anyone can comprehend) it needs the best subtitling possible, and this is often what a lot of anime comedies--and Japanese comedies in general--seem deprived of. The same of course applies to our comedy--it's hard to see how Space Ghost or Monty Python's Flying Circus could travel at all without expert subtitling.
Anyway, something like PPC is loaded with Japanese cultural references, but in a way not understanding what's being referred to simply makes the material funnier and weirder (just as you don't need to have seen Apocalypse Now or Requiem For a Dream to laugh at Sealab's references to them, and just as you don't need to have seen a Pasolini or Peckinpah film to laugh at Python's "third Test Match" and "Salad Days"). All in all, the show is pretty accessible--unless you've never been a horny adolescent--and if it were to air uncut I think AS would do well by it.
And I'm sure there are a few good unknown anime comedies out there waiting for translation. I find it hard to believe that the country which gave us PPC, Vermilion Pleasure Night, Takeshi Kitano and Takashi Miike is entirely lacking in funny exports.
Blue Arc
09-12-2003, 07:36 PM
Beatdigga,Jesus kid so what? I don't even trust that board and you expect anyone to care what the hell those people say. Adult Swim is FINE. It is doing great. There are still plenty of old and new animes out there, they still have Inuyasha, they still have a season of Futurama to air, they still have new eps. of the ASC originals, and they still have the Venture Brothers in Feb. They said Adult Swim wouldn't show anime, how the hell do they Know?? They don't. They barely know anything.
Killtacular
09-12-2003, 07:43 PM
Digga, was that from someone who actually works at WS, or one of the volunteer mods?
The volunteer mods know NOTHING.
Digga, was that from someone who actually works at WS, or one of the volunteer mods?
The volunteer mods know NOTHING.
Mod DH. I think that's the guy on the payroll, but I could be wrong. Don't quote me on that.
Sheamon
09-12-2003, 07:49 PM
Adultswim.com, or as I like to call it, Anime fan circus, has put up a rather lenghly list of shows that aren't going to Adult Swim. There's only one I want to punch them for, but all seriously narrow the gap.
Any Gundam Show: Come on now...Gundam belongs on Toonami or the saturday cartoon block. There's nothing remotely adult(mature, not pornographic) about a gundam show.
Who said that, an actual Adult Swim staff member? If not, well, you should know by now not to trust anything you read on that board. Although I do agree with the vast majority of the things said.
As for Gundam, that simply isn't true because Char's Counterattack was aired far after the point where it would have simply been filler. Only wishful thinkers believe that Gundam SEED would go to Adult Swim, but I still am expecting both Zeta and F91 to air on Adult Swim unless someone who actually works for AS goes out around the time of their release and says that they will never air on that block. And I stress at the time of the release. Its far too early to take anything said regarding the 2004 Gundam shows as 100% fact, as we saw this year at Toyfair when Bandai made a big deal about Zeta airing on both Toonami and Adult Swim in September and of course we all know how that ended up.
And nothing remotely adult about Gundam? The franchise certainly isn't mature in every aspect, especially with the alternative universe shows but I would say there are certain aspects about some of the UC shows you could say that about. What typical Toonami viewer is going to appreciate the message that Gundam 0080 sends?
Animation Otaku
09-12-2003, 07:50 PM
Mod DH. I think that's the guy on the payroll, but I could be wrong. Don't quote me on that.
No, SwimBuddha is the one that actually has a clue about anything.
Who said that, an actual Adult Swim staff member? If not, well, you should know by now not to trust anything you read on that board. Although I do agree with the vast majority of the things said.
As for Gundam, that simply isn't true because Char's Counterattack was aired far after the point where it would have simply been filler. Only wishful thinkers believe that Gundam SEED would go to Adult Swim, but I still am expecting both Zeta and F91 to air on Adult Swim unless someone who actually works for AS goes out around the time of their release and says that they will never air on that block.
And nothing remotely adult about Gundam? The franchise certainly isn't mature in every aspect, especially with the alternative universe shows but I would say there are certain aspects about some of the UC shows you could say that about. What typical Toonami viewer is going to appreciate the message that Gundam 0080 sends?
See why I wanted to punch them for that?
Checking my notes, it was Swim Mod DH, a volunteer mod who CLAIMS this is the offical word from Williams Street. Considering though that Adultswim.com is more messed up than the California recall, it would probably be wise to take this with a grain of salt.
Sheamon
09-12-2003, 07:54 PM
No, SwimBuddha is the one that actually has a clue about anything.
Well then, his word is about as good as mine then regarding whats coming to the block :p
And you know what? Even if every single thing he said is 100% fact, that still leaves a ton of shows for WS to choose from. As we saw with Reign and Kikaider thinking just fan favorites and mega popular shows have a chance to come to the block is far from the truth.
nixice
09-12-2003, 09:37 PM
Hasn't there got to be some other place besides Japan (and Atlanta) where good animated television appealing to an older marketshare can be found? England ... France ... China ... Australia ... hell, Canada even? I like a good anime every now and again, but it's such a tiny island -- there's got to be creative people somewhere else in the world, right?
bassist
09-12-2003, 10:44 PM
Bring back Lucky Luke! Hell, France has the best comics I've ever seen. Most are hardback and oversize and in beautiful color. They obviously have the paperback skimpy popeye style comics too.
Mysteryinfoman
09-13-2003, 12:58 PM
To RedTail, that is what I would like to know as to why people are saying there is no more Lupin episodes. I know Matt Wilson posted "Lupin has no future" but he did not post any source. There is reason why it might not come back because of the low ratings. There has not been any confirmation of this unless someone shows a link or source.
Jaguar
09-13-2003, 01:13 PM
Let's take a look at the play by play, shall we?
Any Gundam Show: Come on now...Gundam belongs on Toonami or the saturday cartoon block. There's nothing remotely adult(mature, not pornographic) about a gundam show.
::laughs so hard that he falls out of his chair::
Outlaw star, Tenchi, Pilot Candidate or any past Adult Swim show from Saturday: With the exception of Cowboy Bebop, all the shows from the beginning of Adult Swim's Anime block known as AS Action are gone seeing as they no longer have the broadcasting rights for them.
OH NO! We lost the broadcasting rights! WE'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO GET THEM BACK BECAUSE ALL THE OTHER NETWORKS HAVE THEM!
Naruto and any other unlicensed anime:
::cough:: Bandai.
Anime Movies: From the looks of things, they dont' plan on airing any anime movies for a while since they had me delete that large thread in the Show suggestions some time ago.
Maybe they have other reasoning for that.
Samurai Pizza Cats: I loved that show too...but it's not coming back on Adult Swim and that's a fact, jack. It's old and childish.
So are Slinkies, but who's keeping score.
Sailor Moon: No. Not Adult...and uncut doesn't change a thing.
Duly noted, though I have 40 friends who'd kill anyone who said that.
Any show being requested to be seen uncut: If it NEEDS to be shown uncut to be any good, then get it out of here. FLCL was great because it was great and it DIDN'T need to be edited.
Remember there was an edit in the last episode. And plus that's your opinion,
Ranma 1/2: Williams Street already said NO. If you remember from the showing of Tenchi and all the effort they went thorugh to edit it, its pretty obvious it ain't happening.
Well, Tenchi was still shown, now wasn't it?
Any show currently on another part of Cartoon Network: If it's not on Adult Swim, it's probably there for a reason. Leave it be.
Oh, so any show that was on another part of CN can't be on AS? So why was SGC2C added to AS when the block premiered? Eh?
One Piece: Seems to be more Toonami material...Acutally, a lot more like Toonami material..as I've heard it's been licensed by our friend that everyone loves to hate: FUNimation.
Yeah if you like cuts.
If this isn't proof that they were foolish airing anime like they were commercials, then what is? Kenshin's out, any Gundam is out, Escaflowne's out, uncut ANYTHING is out, and anything that predates my little 5 year old cousin is out.
Lupin the thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiird.
Yeah, I went there.
herbkir
09-13-2003, 03:29 PM
I think an uncut Sailor Moon could qualify for Adult Swim on the basis of it being a show that appeals to the young adult demographic even though it wasn't intended as "adult" fare. I think the real problem with SM is lack of a good uncut English dub. If one were available, I think AS might have considered SM. (SM is out on uncut, remastered DVDs with subtitles. But subbed material won't ever run on AS.)
Certainly, if AS plans ever to go with different content during their second 3 hours, they've have to expand their definition of adult fare to include "adult-appeal" animation. (^_*)
Amano Ginji
09-13-2003, 05:01 PM
::cough:: Bandai.
The Bandai thing was a hoax.
Jaguar
09-13-2003, 05:49 PM
I had a feeling you'd say that. Still, it's not like Naruto will never be licensed.
Artimus Gigan
09-13-2003, 10:14 PM
What about AS gets ye olden episodes of Cartoon Sushi?
I fondly remember that Michal Jackson(Nakie Time) segment...
RedTail
09-14-2003, 12:51 AM
To RedTail, that is what I would like to know as to why people are saying there is no more Lupin episodes. I know Matt Wilson posted "Lupin has no future" but he did not post any source. There is reason why it might not come back because of the low ratings. There has not been any confirmation of this unless someone shows a link or source.
Talk of it's "cancellation" has increased over the weeks. The Lupin Encyclopedia has even said that it won't return to AS. That's what worries me...
On the other hand, this is mostly talk from fans. As for Matt, although he is connected one way or another, he has yet, like you said, to provide any sources. I'm guessing it's just his overly opinionated side shining through again. WS has said before that they love the show, and it still has been showing up in the cards.
I still think the show might make one more appearance on the block. It'll probably be a long run (to build interest) along w/ perhaps a movie deal for Secret of Mamo. Then again, I'm just a fan w/ no real connections. What do I know? Heh...
- RedTail
Talk of it's "cancellation" has increased over the weeks. The Lupin Encyclopedia has even said that it won't return to AS. That's what worries me...
On the other hand, this is mostly talk from fans. As for Matt, although he is connected one way or another, he has yet, like you said, to provide any sources. I'm guessing it's just his overly opinionated side shining through again. WS has said before that they love the show, and it still has been showing up in the cards.
I still think the show might make one more appearance on the block. It'll probably be a long run (to build interest) along w/ perhaps a movie deal for Secret of Mamo. Then again, I'm just a fan w/ no real connections. What do I know? Heh...
- RedTail
If Lupin was the lowest rated show in Adult Swim history (a fact I highly doubt due to the existence of Y7 Tenchi and Pilot Candidate) than I have a little something to say.
WS has shrunken the pool, but the anime fans have shrunken it further. By forsaking quality in story for quality in animation, the fans are shooting themselves in the foot.
If that's the way they want it, then I have one show suggestion. Mouse. It's a complete and utter ripoff of Lupin, save that the main hero travels around with three girls, is a bit nicer, is newer, and is nowhere near as funny. People will love it because it's new, even if it sucks.
This thread has gone through most of the major things, so here's my final thought.
1. Despite Willaims Street's best efforts to the contrary, Adult Swim Actions fanbase is composed 2/3 of rabid teens and pre-teens who think boobies are cool, Ramna 1/2 and Evangelion are the greatest thing since sliced bread, and older animation is teh suc k. (Look at As.com for proof)
2. Williams Street's standards for airing shows frequently clash with their unitended fanbase. I bet that the guys over at WS have a ton of shows that they KNOW could air, but their fanbase won't accept. After the unfortunate failure of Lupin III, WS is trying to cater to their audience without disobeying their standards.
3. When you combine the wants of a finicky group that would rather watch Love Hina than Grave of the Fireflies because "Love Hina has hot chicks", you get a block that may or may not evolve into Spike TV's intended audience.
4. All those factos combine to thin the pool, especially since ADV isn't on board.
Joe Mama
09-14-2003, 09:58 PM
This thread has gone through most of the major things, so here's my final thought.
1. Despite Willaims Street's best efforts to the contrary, Adult Swim Actions fanbase is composed 2/3 of rabid teens and pre-teens who think boobies are cool, Ramna 1/2 and Evangelion are the greatest thing since sliced bread, and older animation is teh suc k. (Look at As.com for proof)
2. Williams Street's standards for airing shows frequently clash with their unitended fanbase. I bet that the guys over at WS have a ton of shows that they KNOW could air, but their fanbase won't accept. After the unfortunate failure of Lupin III, WS is trying to cater to their audience without disobeying their standards.
3. When you combine the wants of a finicky group that would rather watch Love Hina than Grave of the Fireflies because "Love Hina has hot chicks", you get a block that may or may not evolve into Spike TV's intended audience.
4. All those factos combine to thin the pool, especially since ADV isn't on board.WOW! They sure do have a responsibility on their hands. Trying to please us while still staying in the standards.
Mynd Hed
09-14-2003, 11:34 PM
1. Despite Willaims Street's best efforts to the contrary, Adult Swim Actions fanbase is composed 2/3 of rabid teens and pre-teens who think boobies are cool, Ramna 1/2 and Evangelion are the greatest thing since sliced bread, and older animation is teh suc k. (Look at As.com for proof)
I'd hardly call As.com "proof." Those folks are a VERY small subset of all the people who watch Adult Swim's action offerings-- as, for that matter, are the folks here at Toonzone. It's certainly possible that As.com does is indeed representative of your average ASA viewer, but just because they exist is hardly proof that this is the case.
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