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livingfruitvirus
09-07-2003, 10:40 PM
The time for comedy goodness with Beck and his retarded robots is over, now is the time for action!

:yawn:

SSJPabs
09-07-2003, 11:09 PM
That android never ceases to amaze me.

4 Words: Dorothy can do anything.

Andy Mancini
09-07-2003, 11:27 PM
That show gets better and better every week, although it more Batman than normal. A serial killer with a Vash the Stampede coat, a Megadeus that looks like a Zaku combined with one of those Ronco gadgets, and even more questions. A nice follow-up to last week's Beck wackiness.

Menion420
09-07-2003, 11:28 PM
I really enjoyed this episode. When Roger threw his buisness card into that womans bra was pricless. Also, i loved the bike chase... got to actually see norman during some action and the missle launcher from between dorothy's legs was pure gold to bad it did nothing really.

MJC
09-07-2003, 11:29 PM
This episode was pretty good, although it seemed a little filler-ish. I'm kind of left waiting for something big to happen...

SSJPabs
09-07-2003, 11:30 PM
...got to actually see norman during some action and the missle launcher from between dorothy's legs was pure gold to bad it did nothing really.

The only thing that would have made that episode better would be if Norman and Dorothy took out the robot leaving Roger sitting in the Big-O fuming over his uselessness.

Menion420
09-07-2003, 11:30 PM
The only thing that would have made that episode better would be if Norman and Dorothy took out the robot leaving Roger sitting in the Big-O fuming over his uselessness.


Heh, ya that woulda been awesome if something like that happened.

Dogasu
09-07-2003, 11:32 PM
Judging from the end of the episode, both Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen have moved to Paradigm City. :D

And dear God, the worst episode of the Brak Show is on.

DianaGohan
09-07-2003, 11:34 PM
Who's After The Memories Of Advanced Robots In Paradime City? The Big O "Eyewitness" Episode Review only Tells Some Of The Story.

Like LFV said, this is back to the series status quo of giving out serious and thought provoking episodes dealing with the mystery of Paradime City and its forgotten memories, this time in the case of an Andriod assasin targeting other advanced Andriods for their memories, using an oil shop as a way of finding out about them. And the Introduction of R.Fredrick (I'm guessing he'll be an Important Character, being the only andriod detective and all) was handled very nicely, played out by his interactions with Datsun (BTW, very well done on having Dan figure out the connection between the andriods from the oil). There's still the question of who exactly Rosewater sent out to destroy those androids, and only Angel's mentioning of La Fe helped with that factoid. Highlights from the episode: Dorothy getting rid of the crossbow by having the truck hit it, R.Fredick throwing his Infected arm at the assain, Norman's Motorcycle firing the missles at the Giant Robot at the day, and Roger taking it out with one punch. I give this episode an A-.

Kinel Ozoa
09-07-2003, 11:35 PM
I also expected something Big to happen but it didn't really come. Quiet a few funny parts in this show. Plus Dorothy proving once again that she is in no way shape or form defensless. Not to mention Norman demonstraiting this point also.

This is back more to the type of speed of the last season except it missed a good Robot fight. But it touched parts of the plot just bairly while faceing something that might or might not have connection to Roger's past troubles with other Meadeuces/Zaku's/Androids controlled by unknown persons.

I'm very curious about the red baloon and why anger seemed to be very frightened though. Naturally next week will come to slow.

Artemis
09-07-2003, 11:36 PM
This episode seemed a little dull after the craziness last week. In fact, this was kind of dull. I dunno, why. I mean it was good, but something kept me from being totally into it.

The android reminded me of Pero from Metropolis for some reason.

Konstantin
09-07-2003, 11:36 PM
Well, first post for me.

Episode 19: Eyewitness - To me this episode felt like it was right from Season 1, thus being different from the rest of this season. Firstly it addressed a moral issue that takes place in the city, the treatment of androids in the city. Along with this, the episode addressed the emotions of androids and how they may or may not deserve to be treated as humans. Therefore, the episode revolves around the feelings of residents in the city toward androids, some see them as friends, others are intimidated by them, and some are even threatened. Overall, the execution was top notch, the music (mostly from Season 1) perfect for the task of unraveling this mystery, and the design on the androids strikingly familiar to those in the Animatrix. The only qualm in the episode comes from the ending and the Roger's exchange with Angel, which came off a little forced plotwise in attempting to place something relevant to the main story into the episode. But that does not take away from the episode's overall quality, so I would give it ***1/2 out of **** stars.

herbkir
09-08-2003, 12:03 AM
I could be mistaken, but the killer android's cap looked like a N.Y. Yankees cap. Another hint that Paradigm actually is NYC? (^_*)

Steiner
09-08-2003, 12:03 AM
I guess you could say that the assassin's imitation Yankees hat is more possible proof that Paradigm was once New York.

ToonamiFanatic
09-08-2003, 12:06 AM
Nice episode it did seem kinda filler though. the robot investigator was kinda annoying to me anyway. I wanted a bigger mecha fight at the end instead of just one punch. nice moment with Roger and Angel at the beach.

Sheamon
09-08-2003, 12:06 AM
...and that Yankee fans are no good (just kidding :D)

Already typed a review but it didn't seem to go through and I'm not typing it again. All I'll say is the episode didn't really reveal too much new and was much more of a standalone than recent stuff (last week's was too) but I really enjoyed it nonetheless and Dorothy was as cool as usual :p

Steiner
09-08-2003, 12:06 AM
I could be mistaken, but the killer android's cap looked like a N.Y. Yankees cap. Another hint that Paradigm actually is NYC? (^_*)


I guess we were thinking the same thing, at the same time.

herbkir
09-08-2003, 12:15 AM
Great minds think alike? (^_*)

Conekiller
09-08-2003, 12:25 AM
kinda ok, after mostly plot driven eps (even the Beck-induced whackiness had some lot suff to linger over) this one had little.

I wish they'd go deeper into human/android relationships and the problems/issues that are a result of them. and I don't mean "romantic" more like the mechaninc and his buddy, or Instro and Roger (not him adn Dorothy, since that's.....different, maybe her and Norman). I too was rminded of Pero from Metropolis by R Freddy.

did anyone else notice that RFreddy seemed to make an effort to sound more human by tacking on a fake accent? if not an accent than at least a more human sounding tone, as opposed to Dorothy's monotone. He also seemed to have a thing for Dorothy, how cute, robo-love.

The closeup of Big O after it pummeled the Zaku was fabulous, I hope the screenshot guy (I forgot who it was, sorry) could get one of that. it's alos the first pic i really noticed how the BigO looks like Roger.

B-

Was it jsut me or was the way Norman's bike missilees deployed under Dorothy just a tad suggestive?

Juu-kuchi
09-08-2003, 12:29 AM
Another entertaining episode of the Big O. Dorothy is such a terrific character and she begins to shine. She's getting more action and she's showing herself to be quite ingenious in her ways of doing things. Norman once again shines and proves he has more surprises in him than any other butler on animated shows.

I chuckled at the scene where Dorothy is in her cell and a giant red eye looms over her. Felt like a Zaku was there.

AlphaPrime
09-08-2003, 12:48 AM
Nice ep, but darnit!!!! i couldn't figure out who voiced Freddy darnit darnit i know i've heared him before but i just can't remember wear............*sniff*

Zaku Zaku Zaku Zaku Zaku *gets beaten by one punch* Zaaaaaaa......k.........uuu...... hehehehe

DocSane
09-08-2003, 01:10 AM
I guess you could say that the assassin's imitation Yankees hat is more possible proof that Paradigm was once New York.

Would it help that the entry for Paradigm City in the official Big O Series Guide from Japan begins with "Once, long ago, it was known as Manhattan..."

Wounded_Dragon
09-08-2003, 01:18 AM
Nice ep, but darnit!!!! i couldn't figure out who voiced Freddy darnit darnit i know i've heared him before but i just can't remember wear............*sniff*

Zaku Zaku Zaku Zaku Zaku *gets beaten by one punch* Zaaaaaaa......k.........uuu...... hehehehe


Credits list Kim Strauss as R. Freddy.

Is it the destiny of any mechanical being that looks like a Zaku to get beaten in such an embarrasing manner?

I wonder if that balloon is supposed to signify there are more than one faction of Angel's 'group.'

Beware the power between Dorothy's legs... :evil:

Is it just me, or did the scene at the 'beach' seem a little...forced?

SSJPabs
09-08-2003, 01:31 AM
Would it help that the entry for Paradigm City in the official Big O Series Guide from Japan begins with "Once, long ago, it was known as Manhattan..."
Hmm. I knew it all the time! At least we now know for sure. Now we can move on full time to other mysterious like the apocalypse and foreigners.

PS: Please no more SD Gundam references. Please. I beg you.

Cyporiean
09-08-2003, 02:47 AM
Would it help that the entry for Paradigm City in the official Big O Series Guide from Japan begins with "Once, long ago, it was known as Manhattan..."


hmm.. err.. ummm... that doesn't prove anything!

PaQ
09-08-2003, 02:47 AM
Good episode. Some funny parts.. Norman getting the axe to break down the door and Dorothy just breaking the door down. :D Interesting they did the missiles that came from the seat between Dorothy's legs.. it just seemed out of place. Waste to use Big O for just one punch. and what was up with that balloon that Angel saw? :confused:

ClockStomper
09-08-2003, 03:32 AM
I was impressed by Norman's refusal to run away when Dorothy was hit by the pipe bomb. He IS the coolest butler ever.

Good episode, more on expansion on the place of robots in Paridigm City. I did think one flaw was it was obvious from the start that the killer was a robot.

Lord Infamous
09-08-2003, 03:37 AM
Even with all the times I've heard Big O compared to Batman, I never really saw the resemblance all through the first season. These past two eps have really shown the similarities though. Especially last weeks episode with Beck. His return really reminded me of some of the more comical returns of the Joker or Mad Hatter. Tonight's ep was less so reminiscent, but the animation and the scene in the police station brought back memories for some reason.

PearlRose86
09-08-2003, 07:19 AM
Last night's episode of Big O was pretty good. We got to see more of the major role andriods play in the city, and how they can be friends to the humans they live and work with. I didn't realize there were so MANY androids around.
I did think one flaw was it was obvious from the start that the killer was a robot.Yeah, the minute I saw the hat covering its face, I figured it was an android.

Otherwise, Norman got some time to shine in this one... and I just adore his motorcycle. ^^ "Eyewitness" was a good episode, and a nice change from the norm of Season 2.

Oh, and add me to the group that thought the beach scene seemed a bit "forced." The definite lowpoint of the episode for me.


-Maggie

Sampo
09-08-2003, 07:52 AM
http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Bigo2week6/bigo.jpg http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Bigo2week6/missiles1sm.jpg

Big O makes a brief appearance. Datsun with company at a crime scene. [edit] Ok I changed my mind and put that pic of the missile launcher scene :D

LOL, I guess I'm not the only one who thought that missile launcher had some other hidden meaning. I also agree that Norman should have taken down that robot with those rockets. If he did, the look at Roger's face would have been priceless.

It was touching watching Norman ignore his own safety to help out Dorothy twice. The first time Dorothy had to back away from as he tried valiantly to remove that pipe bomb. The second time, Norman didn't care that the building was falling apart as he wrestled that axe from the wall.

I still can't get over that nice motorcycle chase scene with that Za... construction robot. Norman kicks butt driving like a maniac and that hidden missile launch was frigging cool. I wonder how it can pop up like that with a couple hundred pounds of Dorothy sitting on it.

Another scene I liked was when Dorothy went car surfing. It was pretty neat the way she used her foot to drive the car.

Nice ep, but darnit!!!! i couldn't figure out who voiced Freddy darnit darnit i know i've heared him before but i just can't remember wear............*sniff*
...


Whoa, I threw Kim Strauss's name in IMDb search engine. The following popped up:

Jinxer - Power Rangers Lightspeed Rescue: Neptune's Daughter (2000)

Ultra Magnus - Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001)

Guest appearances on TV.

Various appearances on Babylon 5 as "Drazi Ambassador" and some other roles.
Did some voices for various Power Ranger shows.

Screen Caps from the screenshot guy:

Big O Looks like Roger? (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Bigo2week6/bigObadass2.jpg) Was this the shot you were talking about Conekiller?

Roger leaves his business card with the receptionist (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Bigo2week6/callingcard.jpg) :)

Dorothy Car Surfing (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Bigo2week6/carsurfing.jpg)
Dorothy uses her foot to steer (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Bigo2week6/carsurfing2.jpg)
Another screen cap of Dorothy surfing (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Bigo2week6/carsurfing3.jpg)

Dorothy knocks on the door (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Bigo2week6/dorontydoor2.jpg)

Dorothy wired up (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Bigo2week6/DorothyWiredup.jpg) Even with the helmet, she still looks cute!

Dorothy's Invoice (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Bigo2week6/invoice.jpg) Date 10/12/** Camplana Rec(?) John Doe scribbled on it.

NY Cap (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Bigo2week6/NYBaseballCap.jpg)

It's Lois and Jimmy! (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Bigo2week6/loisNjimmy.jpg)

Dorothy... rockets... (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Bigo2week6/missiles2.jpg) :sweat:

Norman and Dorothy (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Bigo2week6/normanNdorothybike.jpg)

That Construction Robot sure does look like a .... (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Bigo2week6/zaku2.jpg)
Red eye peering through the window (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Bigo2week6/zakuzaku.jpg)

Roger, Datsun, and O'reilly (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Bigo2week6/trio.jpg)

Newspaper clip (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Bigo2week6/newspaperclip.jpg)

Tienshin
09-08-2003, 09:07 AM
Sampo, thanks for the screen caps. Since I fell asleep at 10PM last night for no good reason, I missed all of Adult Swim. Grrrr.

GWOtaku
09-08-2003, 09:20 AM
posted by Conekiller:

Was it jsut me or was the way Norman's bike missilees deployed under Dorothy just a tad suggestive?

I think someone's been reading too much Freud. Get some Therapy. :D

Kouji Tamino
09-08-2003, 09:46 AM
Sampo, thanks for the screen caps. Since I fell asleep at 10PM last night for no good reason, I missed all of Adult Swim. Grrrr.

Grrr... Ditto for me... Must be a curse.

Patches
09-08-2003, 10:20 AM
Hey, can someone check something for me? I didn't tape last night's episode, but I was watching it with a group of friends, and when Roger was in the parking garage under Paradigm, one of them blurted out "It's the Batmobile!" I didn't see what he was talking about, so I was wondering if anyone could check whether or not there was indeed something Batmobile-looking in that parking garage.

Dogasu
09-08-2003, 11:17 AM
Was it jsut me or was the way Norman's bike missilees deployed under Dorothy just a tad suggestive?

Nah, it's not just you. I thought the exact same thing. But isn't it kinda dangerous to keep active missiles underneath the passenger's seat? Let's just hope that if Angel ever has to ride in that motorcycle, she doesn't light up a cigarette...

Beat
09-08-2003, 11:36 AM
So Paradyme was once New York City, and the Yankee hat is further proof.

After last week's Giant Robo parody, robot fighting takes a backseat to the character development, including Dorthy, and Dauston working with an android.

Another homage mecha in the form of the weird Zaku.

And the rockets were supposed to be suggestive.

AlphaPrime
09-08-2003, 12:02 PM
Ultra Magnus - Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001)

DOOOOOOOOOOH! Why the heck didn't i remember that darnit!*whaps self upside the head*

And to think i call my self a TF fan.......................*whap whap whap*

Wounded_Dragon
09-08-2003, 01:16 PM
Was it just me or was the way Norman's bike missiles deployed under Dorothy just a tad suggestive?

I'm just sad it wasn't Roger who pushed that button. :sweat:

Bladesong26
09-08-2003, 02:36 PM
Even with all the times I've heard Big O compared to Batman, I never really saw the resemblance all through the first season. These past two eps have really shown the similarities though. Especially last weeks episode with Beck. His return really reminded me of some of the more comical returns of the Joker or Mad Hatter. Tonight's ep was less so reminiscent, but the animation and the scene in the police station brought back memories for some reason.

The timing of your comment is quite freaky; I just downloaded a video that features the Batman: TAS theme over scenes from the Big O. It's quite hilarious. It got me to thinking and I'm so much of a geek that I've actually made a list comparing them. Only wish I could lay pictures side by side to get the full effect.

Batman vs. Big O

Bruce Wayne = Roger Smith
Dick Grayson = R. Dorothy Wayneright
Robin = Nightingale
Alfred = Norman
The Batmobile = The Griffon
Selena Kyle, AKA Catwoman = Angel
Commissoner Gordon = Gordon Rosewater
Rash-al-Ghoul = Alex Rosewater (There are similarities! I swear!)
The Scarecrow = Schwarzwald
The Joker/The Mad Hatter = Beck
Utility Belt = Utility Wristwatch
Wealthy Bachelor Who Lives in a Huge Mansion = Wealthy Bachelor Who Lives in a Huge Mansion

Did I miss any? :D

Oh, by the way, what was so awkward about the Beach Scene with Angel and Roger? Please throw those of us who can't afford cable a bone, please? :D

Chrono1995
09-08-2003, 02:40 PM
I'm a bit late on this, but here's my review:

The beach scene sucked, and I wished the episode really dived into more of the android-human relationships. And at the pace this season is going, we'll probably be getting another, unless the next six episodes show some serious story.

That being said, I liked this episode a bunch. It was a nice change of pace from last week's bright batch of hilarity, and "Eyewitness" seemed to emulate the style of Season 1, which is the only thing that has changed a lot.

Great scenes:

-Dastun and R. Freddy's interaction
-Dorothy and Norman's exchange when the pipe bomb hit
-Dorothy's memory (I just really liked that scene)
-Norman on the cycle

Overall rating: A-

Sampo
09-08-2003, 02:49 PM
Sampo, thanks for the screen caps. Since I fell asleep at 10PM last night for no good reason, I missed all of Adult Swim. Grrrr.


Grrr... Ditto for me... Must be a curse.


:( That sucks. Here is the Norman vs Giant Robo clip in MPG format. Its 2 MBs big. Also due to storage space, I can only hold this clip up for a day or so... So get it now.[link wuz here] Grrrr if I can get that DivX working it would be no problem. I am glad people out there are enjoying these screen captures :D


Hey, can someone check something for me? I didn't tape last night's episode, but I was watching it with a group of friends, and when Roger was in the parking garage under Paradigm, one of them blurted out "It's the Batmobile!" I didn't see what he was talking about, so I was wondering if anyone could check whether or not there was indeed something Batmobile-looking in that parking garage.


Hey your friend is pretty sharp noticing that :) Here you go:Batmobile (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Bigo2week6/batmoblie.jpg)

Couple more caps.

Serial Killer Andriod (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Bigo2week6/snipe.jpg)
Another camera angle of the Serial Killer Andriod (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Bigo2week6/snipertakingaim.jpg)

Memory recall device (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Bigo2week6/memory.jpg)

[edit] nuked link for space.

ClockStomper
09-08-2003, 03:22 PM
Wow, you are the screencap master, Sampo. That's cool that they stuck the BTAS style Batmobile in there (perhaps they're self aware of the shows' similarities?)

Bladesong26
09-08-2003, 03:51 PM
Here is the Norman vs Giant Robo clip in MPG format.

Sampo, that just made my day. I'm sending lots of good karma your way.
:D

Funny, that whole missile firing sequence doesn't look as suggestive as it sounded like when I read the the rest of the thread.

DemonKrowno
09-08-2003, 05:20 PM
my favorite scene was the....um...motorcycle rocket scene. :D ....it was neat... :sweat:

Wounded_Dragon
09-08-2003, 05:25 PM
Sampo, that just made my day. I'm sending lots of good karma your way.
:D

Funny, that whole missile firing sequence doesn't look as suggestive as it sounded like when I read the the rest of the thread.

Well, it depends on how deep you look at the scene and how you view R. Dorothy.

On the surface, a missile launcher extends out of the sidecar, safety grates ensure the passenger's legs do not rest in front of the launcher, and missiles fire.

However, if you view Dorothy as, well, a woman and are looking deeply (perhaps obsessedly) at the scene, you could say that 1) a hard shaft raises her. 2) It spreads her legs 3) an explosive force issues from between her legs.

There's also the matter of how much importance you attach to the scene. I'd say, yes, it's suggestive, but it's also more of an Easter Egg than anything to be taken seriously.

Mynd Hed
09-08-2003, 05:32 PM
Well, if anyone doubted just how strongly Big O is influenced by the works of Asimov, this episode is here to clear that right up. (-: An android detective is paired up with a resentful human cop... straight out of the pages of "The Caves of Steel." Good stuff.
The highlights of the episode are obvious: R Freddy rules, R Dorothy gets to kick a little bit of arse getting that pipe bomb off of her in a very cool action sequence that-- gasp!-- doesn't involve Roger Smith OR the Big O, Norman gets to kick a bunch of arse on a motorcycle again in another very cool action scene sans Roger or the title mecha, and good times are had by all.
However, I had my problems with this episode as well. I didn't find the Roger/Angel stuff too terribly forced the way some people did-- I mean, heck, they've got to give him SOMETHING to do. But I didn't think the R Freddy / Dastun subplot was very well concluded. And for that matter, considering that this episode seemed, at least, to be supposed to be pretty self-contained, I didn't think they wrapped up the assassination plot particularly well either. There seemed to be a lot of loose threads by the end-- why did this one particular android go nuts and start offing all his android brethren? Why was he collecting memories, and how did he expect to be able to collect them from the other androids' shattered carcasses? I dunno, maybe I just wasn't paying very close attention-- I have been suffering from a killer cold lately which is impairing my ability to think straight-- so if someone can clear this up for me, I'd be appreciative.

StrangerAtaru
09-08-2003, 05:59 PM
Another semi-late review, but yesterday's was a pretty good episode. Not one of the strongest episodes of the season, but it did have its moments. For starters there is Pero....er, R. Fredrick O'Reiley and Datsun's mistrust of androids. It does seem interesting that he would have this in a society where androids live easily amongst people, but I guess there was more to it than I saw up front. Then there was the "android serial killer" plot, which started off OK but then got muddled and confusing towards the end when they tried to explain where the attacker and the importance of R. Freddie to the whole thing. However, even so, it was great seeing Dorothy front and center in another episode with many great scenes including her "dismantling" of the android bomb and her and Norman's battle with the Zeon-esque construction robot. And of course, Angel was back in full force this time (I still say she should have at least made a cameo last week :p), with the ending perhaps showing some sort of connection between the killer and the Winter Night Phantom. All in all, there were great performances, but the episode was probably just too confusing or muddled for my tastes.

BigFire
09-08-2003, 06:15 PM
Another semi-late review, but yesterday's was a pretty good episode. Not one of the strongest episodes of the season, but it did have its moments. For starters there is Pero....er, R. Fredrick O'Reiley and Datsun's mistrust of androids. It does seem interesting that he would have this in a society where androids live easily amongst people, but I guess there was more to it than I saw up front. Then there was the "android serial killer" plot, which started off OK but then got muddled and confusing towards the end when they tried to explain where the attacker and the importance of R. Freddie to the whole thing. However, even so, it was great seeing Dorothy front and center in another episode with many great scenes including her "dismantling" of the android bomb and her and Norman's battle with the Zeon-esque construction robot. And of course, Angel was back in full force this time (I still say she should have at least made a cameo last week :p), with the ending perhaps showing some sort of connection between the killer and the Winter Night Phantom. All in all, there were great performances, but the episode was probably just too confusing or muddled for my tastes.

It's not that he is distrustful of androids. He is distrustful of ANYONE send by Paradigm Corporate HQ to look over his shoulder.

However, his attitude change later when he realized (and R. Fred O'Reilly knew) that this detective is simply a live bait for the android assasin.

RedBoot
09-08-2003, 06:16 PM
But I didn't think the R Freddy / Dastun subplot was very well concluded. And for that matter, considering that this episode seemed, at least, to be supposed to be pretty self-contained, I didn't think they wrapped up the assassination plot particularly well either. There seemed to be a lot of loose threads by the end-- why did this one particular android go nuts and start offing all his android brethren? Why was he collecting memories, and how did he expect to be able to collect them from the other androids' shattered carcasses?

I found some of it confusing as well...I'm hoping either a re-watch or future episodes will clear some stuff up.

I do have a little insight on the Dastun/R.Freddy stuff, though. From what I could see, Dastun felt like Freddy was there primarily so that Paradigm could evaluate Dastun's performance. That's why he was so careful of what he was saying, he knew Paradigm would be hearing every word he said. Dastun puts his heart into his job, and he expects the same of his men. Freddy's presence made him feel like Paradigm thought he wasn't doing his job.

However, at the end of the episode when Freddy approaches the assassin and gets his arm shot, Dastun realized that Freddy had been sent only so that the assassin would have a convenient target. This makes Dastun realize that Freddy puts the same heart into his job as Dastun puts into his own. So while Dastun still hates Paradigm, he can at least understand and respect R.Freddy. At least that's what I got from it.

I dunno anything about why the android assassin wents nuts or anything...also, I find it interesting that Rosewater and Alan Gabriel were absent. Perhaps Rosewater was afraid Alan would be targeted? This is assuming Alan is actually an android, of course. There hasn't been enough evidence yet to prove if Alan is actually human or not.

PaQ
09-08-2003, 06:31 PM
I am glad people out there are enjoying these screen captures :D

Great Job with all the screen captures. I know i'm enjoying them and appreciate the work.. :) If i hadn't watched the episode, I think I could've gotten what it was about with all those caps. Definitely got the feel of the episode from those.

Good episode.. I found it funny that it was the construction robot that was rebuilding the police station? that was going after Dorothy as well and in effect destroying the station.. :D Can't wait for the next episode.

Kouji Tamino
09-08-2003, 06:43 PM
:( That sucks. Here is the Norman vs Giant Robo clip in MPG format.

Sampo, thank you. ^^ You are my new "Big O" Hero of the Week. :D

Conekiller
09-08-2003, 07:11 PM
Big O Looks like Roger? (http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Bigo2week6/bigObadass2.jpg) Was this the shot you were talking about Conekiller?


no Sampo this is

http://home.hawaii.rr.com/wizardgrey/images/Bigo2week6/bigo.jpg [IMG]

but since you got it anyway, who's complainin?

and I enjoy these images also, I would like to see more people contribute to various threads in similar fassion. you're a credit to Toonzone (and I'll try harder to remeber your name :o )

EDIT: whaoh! Usuke's avatar changed during my post!

Sheamon
09-08-2003, 07:27 PM
Nice ep, but darnit!!!! i couldn't figure out who voiced Freddy darnit darnit i know i've heared him before but i just can't remember wear............*sniff*


Midvalley the Hornfreak in Trigun. Only other thing I've heard him in.

Duke
09-08-2003, 08:12 PM
PS: Please no more SD Gundam references. Please. I beg you.

Actually, the head looks like the Zaku Char had in the first 20 some episodes of the original Mobile Suit Gundam.

As for the episode itself, I really liked it. I do wish Big O did a little more, but oh well. And it's good to know the Yankees really are evil.

BTW, wasn't that exact same clothing the assassin used also used in a big Hollywood film or something?

Yojimbo
09-08-2003, 09:54 PM
The beach scene was interesting but idk out of place? the whole sub-plot was human-android relationships. The red balloon and Angel's utterance of 'le fe' (i think) makes me wonder once again about Angel.
Also liked the tension as F. Reilly brought up Roger's past then the shot closes on an old photo of Datsun's. Otherwise a B+/A- episode. Something was missing...oh well.

I.R Joey
09-08-2003, 10:28 PM
Felt this episdoe was average, and that's the first time I've said this since the second season began.

Oh well, the premise of Robot human relationships was pretty cool, but I think it could have been handled a little bit better, I didn't really grow very attatched to O'reilly like I have Dorthy or Instro. Though I have to say that the part where he ripped off his arm and tossed it at the assasin was pretty good.

Oh and Dorthy continued to rock in this episode. She most certainly has an interesting way of putting down her John Hancock. I also liked how she was able to get rid of the bomb by jumping on the car.

I guess I was the only one kind of underwhelmed by the scene with Norman driving the bike. Yeah the missles where cool but it felt kinda meh...

Oh and finally the unexpected Superman refrence, I guess Batman TAS isn't the only DC show this anime is influenced by.

overall 7/10.

lostrune
09-08-2003, 11:58 PM
1. When the police were checking Dorothy's memory, why is their screen B&W? Obviously Dorothy can see colors, so why not use a color screen? The TV on Roger's car is B&W too. :shrug:

2. A Roger+Angel moment.... If I didn't know any better, I'd say it was a date at the beach. :anime:

3. Sorry, I just had to repeat this. From a Nuku-Nuku fanatic: "Just because she spreads her legs like a slut on a motorbike doesn't make her cuter!" :D

Addendum:

4. Norman on the motorcycle: "Let's have some more fun!"
-- The moment he said that, I knew he was gonna kick ass! :cool:

5. OK, if a simple moving truck could break off the arrowbomb, why can't Dorothy, with her robotic strength, break apart the flimsy rod herself? :shrug:

TnAdct1
09-09-2003, 01:17 AM
1. When the police were checking Dorothy's memory, why is their screen B&W? Obviously Dorothy can see colors, so why not use a color screen? The TV on Roger's car is B&W too. :shrug:

My guess that the monitors used to scan Dorthey's memories and to have Norman and Roger communicate with each other are similar to ones that are used to monitor surveillance cameras.

3. Sorry, I just had to repeat this. From a Nuku-Nuku fanatic: "Just because she spreads her legs like a slut on a motorbike doesn't make her cuter!" :D

I take it you're also familiar with Ethan Hammond, a regular at rec.arts.anime.misc who is a MAJOR fanboy of Nuku-Nuku (to the point of him saying that he's married to her).

lostrune
09-09-2003, 01:30 AM
My guess that the monitors used to scan Dorthey's memories and to have Norman and Roger communicate with each other are similar to ones that are used to monitor surveillance cameras.

That's different. Those are B&W cameras, so the monitors don't matter. That's why when the TV news gets a copy of the tape, it's still B&W on our TVs.

I take it you're also familiar with Ethan Hammond, a regular at rec.arts.anime.misc who is a MAJOR fanboy of Nuku-Nuku (to the point of him saying that he's married to her).

I feign innocence. :p

lostrune
09-09-2003, 01:34 AM
did anyone else notice that RFreddy seemed to make an effort to sound more human by tacking on a fake accent? if not an accent than at least a more human sounding tone, as opposed to Dorothy's monotone. He also seemed to have a thing for Dorothy, how cute, robo-love.

That, sir, calls for a love-duel to the death!
Maestro wouldn't stand for it! :D

Would it help that the entry for Paradigm City in the official Big O Series Guide from Japan begins with "Once, long ago, it was known as Manhattan..."

Manhattan... island? Manhattan, Kansas? Manhattan what? ;)
(At least they didn't say Springfield....)

Sampo
09-09-2003, 04:35 PM
Again, Thank you everyone for the positive comments about the screen caps and mpg file :)

1. When the police were checking Dorothy's memory, why is their screen B&W? Obviously Dorothy can see colors, so why not use a color screen? The TV on Roger's car is B&W too. :shrug:


It could be that those monitors only display black and white images... you know those really really old :) "black and white" TVs opposed to new fangled color ones... to keep with the old retro atmosphere of the show.


...
5. OK, if a simple moving truck could break off the arrowbomb, why can't Dorothy, with her robotic strength, break apart the flimsy rod herself? :shrug:

That's a good point you have there. Hmm, Dorothy might have feared crushing the bomb and setting it off if she tried removing it. Another reason could be because the bomb was stuck to her body, she couldn't apply her full strength on it. Gah, again that's a good point to argue against :)

Mynd Hed
09-09-2003, 05:33 PM
Manhattan... island? Manhattan, Kansas? Manhattan what? ;)
(At least they didn't say Springfield....)

Item 1: In "Bring Back My Ghost," Bonnie Fraser is dropped into the Hudson River.
Item 2: In "Winter Night Phantom," the woman with the red balloon blows up St. Patrick's Cathedral.
Item 3: In "Enemy is Another Big," Schwarzvald shows up with a mummified Big Duo at an airport identified as "the old JFK Mark," aka John F. Kennedy International Airport.
Item 4: In "Eyewitness" just last Sunday, the assassin wears a New York Yankees baseball cap.

In other words... you're absolutely right. It's definitely Manhattan, Kansas. Go Wildcats!!!

Again, Thank you everyone for the positive comments about the screen caps and mpg file

I don't think I've voiced my personal appreciation yet, so here it is: thanks for all the hard work. (-:

RedBoot
09-09-2003, 07:45 PM
5. OK, if a simple moving truck could break off the arrowbomb, why can't Dorothy, with her robotic strength, break apart the flimsy rod herself? :shrug:

Because the truck thing was more fantastical.

PowerZord
09-09-2003, 08:43 PM
This one was good. I like mystery more than comedy. That's all always been my thing. I love mystery.


This ep was great but this ep I think it has some reference to the sniper case.(remenber the sniper killer.)


Well Hope next week is good.

StrangerAtaru
09-09-2003, 09:35 PM
This one was good. I like mystery more than comedy. That's all always been my thing. I love mystery.


This ep was great but this ep I think it has some reference to the sniper case.(remenber the sniper killer.)


Well Hope next week is good.

Interesting idea: the sniper case did focus around gas stations and all the androids attacked were those with memories advance enough to know which special kind of oil to buy.

But then again, I highly doubt we want to move this show to suburban Virginia. ;)

lostrune
09-09-2003, 11:14 PM
Item 1: In "Bring Back My Ghost," Bonnie Fraser is dropped into the Hudson River.
Item 2: In "Winter Night Phantom," the woman with the red balloon blows up St. Patrick's Cathedral.
Item 3: In "Enemy is Another Big," Schwarzvald shows up with a mummified Big Duo at an airport identified as "the old JFK Mark," aka John F. Kennedy International Airport.
Item 4: In "Eyewitness" just last Sunday, the assassin wears a New York Yankees baseball cap.

In other words... you're absolutely right. It's definitely Manhattan, Kansas. Go Wildcats!!!

OMG! You agree too?!?! :D

Anyway, I was more referring to what DocSane said about the official Big O Series Guide from Japan, that if it's definite proof, it forgot to mention clearly which Manhattan. :p

Andrew
09-10-2003, 10:19 AM
So...has everyone figured out what the title for next week's episode refers to? You know what it means, whether you're aware of it yet or not. You won't be getting any spoilers from me, but if you manage to figure it out on your own, then you'll know why I can't wait for this Sunday night. :D

Duke
09-10-2003, 10:28 AM
I forgot what next week's episode title is...

Andrew
09-10-2003, 10:56 AM
"Stripes"

And if you're going to guess, be nice and put it in a spoiler box for those who don't want to know prematurely.

Beat
09-10-2003, 11:14 AM
Ah, yes. Stripes.

Bystander
09-10-2003, 07:32 PM
Did anyone besides me notice that at the end of the episode Roger put his arm around Dorothy, I'm suprised it wasn't mentione sooner.

PowerZord
09-10-2003, 08:55 PM
"Stripes"

And if you're going to guess, be nice and put it in a spoiler box for those who don't want to know prematurely.


Big O
"Stripes"
Animated, Fantasy, Drama TVPG
Roger tries to understand his flashbacks.


is this it?