How would Adult Swim differ if CN was in better relations with ADV? [Archive]

Sketch

07-18-2003, 01:17 AM

EVA would not air on Toonami dang it! :mad:

Wild Arms TV could go to Toonami, as could Dai-Guard, Angelic Layer, and possibly Nadesico.

Robotech could air somewhere (maybe SVES).

ADV has more than enough properties to fill Adult Swim for some time to come.

Personally I'd like to see Excel Saga and Bubble Gum Crisis Tokyo 2040 on Adult Swim.

Basically CN + ADV = very good things.

sl4

07-18-2003, 01:41 AM

If and when Cartoon Network and ADV are, ahem, 'little friends', I'd love to see them get Noir, Excel Saga, Rahxephon, and Full Metal Panic.

Also, welcome to Tonzone. (Toonzone's down the hall and to the left)

P.S. Robotech is teh s uck </inside joke no one will get except Chris>

Senbei Norimaki

07-18-2003, 02:30 AM

The City Hunter TV series would have been dubbed and aired on Adult Swim.

NewLib

07-18-2003, 08:47 AM

Why couldnt they air EVA on Toonami? Right audience. They have to edit some of the sceens a bit, but it wouldnt be any worst than the Kyoto Arc treatment.

DianaGohan

07-18-2003, 10:16 AM

Adult Swim would basically be the same, but thanks to a better relationship with ADV it would have more of a library of anime to use. I'm not sure which ones would fit best on AS at this point, but I'm sure that there'd be one on the lineup now and perhaps two or three were on it before.

Killtacular

07-18-2003, 11:52 AM

If CN was in better relations with ADV, you'd see their recent and upcoming titles like RahXephon on the network. You wouldn't see their past titles because where's the money in that? Past shows would go to Anime Network or Tech TV.

Coollead

07-18-2003, 12:01 PM

FMP would be a Toonami show.

ADV would give more stylized shows to CN I guess...it'd be ok

Animation Otaku

07-18-2003, 12:15 PM

Mog

07-18-2003, 12:20 PM

Then why did Cowboy Bebop and Trigun show up on Adult Swim if they don't show past releases?

Because CB was the perfect anime to draw people into other animes, and because Trigun had already established a huge fanbase, one that would easily make Trigun a money maker.

Idioteque

07-18-2003, 12:34 PM

How could Eva possibly air on Toonami without some kind of a lynch mob after the edits it had in the second episode during giant robot week?

Though I think it certainly belongs on Adult Swim.

Killtacular

07-18-2003, 12:38 PM

Doesn't belong on AS.

Anyway, the only reason they brought over Trigun is because fans kept *****ing for years for them to do something with the show.

Cowboy Bebop they picked up because it was their favorite series, and the DVD sales were in need of a boost.

Old shows like Evangelion don't need a boost. They've had all the boost they could possibly muster. That's why you'd have a better chance of seeing it on Tech TV or Anime Network than CN. Tech TV gets all the anime series that are no longer important to the companies.

Pepperidge

07-18-2003, 01:20 PM

Keep in mind that ADV is still planning to release the director's cut version of episodes 21-24, and will probably release the remastered version of the show within the next couple of years (there's definitely enough demand for it). Not to mention the live-action film which is going to be mainstream. I would find it odd that they would release what I'm expecting to be a special effects spectacle like the Evangelion movie to a mainstream audience totally unfamiliar with the series.There's still much money to be made from to franchise, And even if that weren't true, I still don't see Adult Swim airing Evangelion as being the worst financial descision ever. I mean... it's not like they'll lose money.

The show is not going to Toonami, either. I mean, considering that they completely edited Pen-Pen out of the second episode, they probably have more sense than that.

RahXephon is a show that would be great on Adult Swim. But if they're going to air that, it's probably even more approrpriate that they air Evangelion first.

Ugh, this isn't an argument that should span two threads.

And of course, Excel Saga and Noir would also be top on the priority list for ADV to air on CN. It's really kind of obvious.

Beat

07-18-2003, 01:54 PM

EVA is overrated, there I said it.

ADV would give the CN new stuff, as to promote their newer aquasitions for DVD realase. (Colorful, anyone?)

Amano Ginji

07-18-2003, 01:59 PM

EVA is overrated, there I said it.

ADV would give the CN new stuff, as to promote their newer aquasitions for DVD realase. (Colorful, anyone?)

Quoting Fencedude when someone asked about Colorful:

"Roses are red, Violets are blue, this anime is about panties."

Pepperidge

07-18-2003, 02:15 PM

Is anyone here denying that Eva is overrated. :P

NewLib

07-18-2003, 02:56 PM

Pepperidge the EVA movie isnt going to be mainstream. I can't see why some people think it WONT flop in the US. I mean of all the animes to make a move of you have to pick one with giant robots. When people see that the movie has giant robots they will know immediately its based on something from Japan and well that ends that. Even if the robots weren't there this it wouldn't be the type of movie to get great reviews and it is still an unknown series to 95% of the population. Look at all the big hits. Either got great reviews or are based on a previous known franchise.

Pepperidge

07-18-2003, 05:17 PM

Hey, I don't support the Eva movie one bit. Hell, I think it's the worst idea ever, and whoever thought it wasn't should die as grisly a death as they come.

I just think the fact that with the high-profile WETA on board for the project and a 100 million dollar budget, they aren't aiming low.

oranthal

07-18-2003, 09:59 PM

I only had the "privilege" of hearing one of ADV's dubs and I didn't particular liked it. I have heard that ADV dubs aren't that great. Is that true?

sl4

07-18-2003, 10:45 PM

I only had the "privilege" of hearing one of ADV's dubs and I didn't particular liked it. I have heard that ADV dubs aren't that great. Is that true?

All the ADV dubs I've heard have been pretty good, IMO. :shrug:

Paper Geno

07-19-2003, 12:35 AM

All the ADV dubs I've heard have been pretty good, IMO. :shrug:

For a change iam actually gonna agre with superloud. All of the ADV Anime's Ive seen have been pretty amazing alot better then anything Funimation has to offer *cough* Dragon ball - GT *cough* The only thing anoying about ADV's dubbing is Sinjys anoying whining voice from evangelion. :sweat:

sl4

07-19-2003, 12:58 AM

For a change iam actually gonna agre with superloud. All of the ADV Anime's Ive seen have been pretty amazing alot better then anything Funimation has to offer *cough* Dragon ball - GT *cough*

Other than the DBZ/GT fiasco, FUNi's been doing a pretty respectable job. Yu Yu Hakusho's dub is great, and from what I've heard, Fruits Basket has been getting an excellent release as well. (I love disagreeing with you, haha)

The only thing anoying about ADV's dubbing is Sinjys anoying whining voice from evangelion. :sweat:

Eh, Shinji's supposed to be an annoying whiny actafoo. :p

Coollead

07-19-2003, 02:41 AM

I only had the "privilege" of hearing one of ADV's dubs and I didn't particular liked it. I have heard that ADV dubs aren't that great. Is that true?
Every ADV dub I've heard so far is on par with being some of the best I've ever heard. Quite easily up there with Bebop.

Karl Olson

07-19-2003, 02:46 AM

Other than the DBZ/GT fiasco, FUNi's been doing a pretty respectable job. Yu Yu Hakusho's dub is great, and from what I've heard, Fruits Basket has been getting an excellent release as well.

Fruits Basket is probably Funi's best dub ever, and further still, it's probably one of the best dubs for any shoujo anime ever. Funi is becoming a very solid company outside of DBZ/GT.

Anyway, ADV is hit and miss on the dub. Nadesico was spot on, and Eva was pretty good considering how emotional intense the source material was (besides, Shinji is whiny no matter what. That's what makes him Shinji. He's flawed, and there for human.) Excel Saga was grating, but again, given the source, I'm surprised they only burned out a VA once. What I heard of Rahzephon was pretty impressive though.

Funi and ADV's dubs are not the level of the FLCL or Cowboy Bebop dubs, but those are dubs to beat now. They raised the bar waaay up.

Allen's Nickname.

07-19-2003, 02:54 AM

FLCL's dub is excellent.

Considering source material.

It's kind of... undubable. It's extremely Japanese.

Karl Olson

07-19-2003, 03:21 AM

FLCL's dub is excellent.

Considering source material.

It's kind of... undubable. It's extremely Japanese.

Yet, they pull it off, and quiet brillantly, espeicially given how small Synch Point was and still is. ADV is much larger. Hopefully they'll do something just as solid for the extremely Japanese animes they've picked up: Abenobashi Mahou Shotengai and Azumanga Daioh. Both are gonna require a near-FLCL quality dub to get any love from the fans I'd guess.

Sketch

07-19-2003, 03:29 AM

For a change iam actually gonna agre with superloud. All of the ADV Anime's Ive seen have been pretty amazing alot better then anything Funimation has to offer *cough* Dragon ball - GT *cough* The only thing anoying about ADV's dubbing is Sinjys anoying whining voice from evangelion. :sweat:

While his talking voice is really bad, and Spike Spencer obviously needed to work on his acting skills back then. His screams are top notch!

Spencer did a much better job with Akito and Mackey Stingray. He actually sounded pretty good for those parts. Funny how most of the characters he plays have empty eyes, brown hair, and commonly where a white shirt.

Killtacular

07-19-2003, 11:29 AM

Spike Spencer needs to die.

Sketch

07-19-2003, 08:48 PM

Spike Spencer needs to die.

Yet you say they should have used him for Sonic? You confuse me Matt Wilson...

He made a great Mackey Stingray on Bubble Gum Crisis Tokyo 2040 IMO.

Killtacular

07-19-2003, 08:59 PM

Yet you say they should have used him for Sonic? You confuse me Matt Wilson...
Because Sonic's VA in the Japanese version is just as whiny. He sounds EXACTLY like Spike Spencer, in fact. That's why I suggested Spencer play Sonic, if only because his voice would be the most appropriate.

Coollead

07-20-2003, 01:18 AM

FLCL's dub is excellent.

Considering source material.

It's kind of... undubable. It's extremely Japanese.
My brain is melting.

I ... ... Wow.

Excel Saga is much more "japanese" than FLCL, yet was dubbed absolutely perfectly. When you can't tell the difference between 2 different VAs for the most vocal character ever, its even better. I remember people posting for years that it was "un-dubbable." Sorry guys, you were wrong.

Oh, and wouldn't subtitling something "extremely Japanese" also be impossible then?

Allen's Nickname.

07-20-2003, 01:32 AM

Excel Saga is much more "japanese" than FLCL, yet was dubbed absolutely perfectly.Can't say I've heard Excel Saga's dub, so I'll reserve my judgments. I did hear Excel's voice once though, and I REALLY couldn't listen to that for 22 minutes.Oh, and wouldn't subtitling something "extremely Japanese" also be impossible then? No more impossible than translating The Bible, really.

And, in all honesty, FLCL's dub does a GOOD job. I'll always have a snotty, becoming-what-I-hate-otaku-monkey sub preference for the show, but I think that the peoples of the televisions will find it to be quite good.

Coollead

07-20-2003, 01:35 AM

I hate hardcore super otaku. They make me want to rip my nose hairs out. ^_^

From what I've seen of FLCL, it wasn't too crazy...I only saw one ep, but, it was good. The dub will be fine.

Allen's Nickname.

07-20-2003, 02:10 AM

I hate hardcore super otaku. They make me want to rip my nose hairs out. ^_^So do I.

Which is why I hate my hardcore sub preference of FLCL.

Sketch

07-20-2003, 05:29 PM

I've seen about 8 episodes of Excel Saga and I really enjoy the dub, except... EXCEL!!! That voice has to be the most annoying thing I've ever heard and I've heard all those "heart filled" speeches between Shinji Ikari and his father.