View Full Version : Should AS put Nadesico or Evangaleon on AS or Toonami?
True Noir
07-16-2003, 06:37 PM
Do you think nadesico or evangaleon should be on AS or Toonami? THose are some really tight anime.
DianaGohan
07-16-2003, 07:16 PM
If anything, I would say both should be on AS. Well, Nadesico could go to Toonami, but Evangelion would be far too edited to be enjoyed on Toonami, so I say it should go to AS. Of course, this will probably never happen, unless giant Robot Week was more then just a tease... but rather a "sneak peek".
Caffeine King
07-16-2003, 07:16 PM
First off, it's spelled Evangelion, not Evangaleon.
And Evangelion would never ever go to Toonami or on Adult Swim ,from what I've heard it would get a TV-MA L S V rating.
*mumbles something about newbies and their crazy minds*
Keldran
07-16-2003, 07:26 PM
If I'm not mistaken I believe that Evangelion was aired in both the UK and Australia, so it's not entirely far fetched. However all indicators seem to reject the notion that Eva or Nadesico will ever make it to Cartoon Network (again).
Of course we all said the same thing about Kenshin, Trigun, and to some extent FLCL. Message board warriors like ourselves are very often very wrong.
Karl Olson
07-16-2003, 07:26 PM
Nadesico: Yes.
Evangelion: Leave it be until CN can get away whatever they want. Or alteast until Blue Gender clarifies how far CN is willing to push things.
True Noir
07-16-2003, 07:29 PM
First off, it's spelled Evangelion, not Evangaleon.
And Evangelion would never ever go to Toonami or on Adult Swim ,from what I've heard it would get a TV-MA L S V rating.
*mumbles something about newbies and their crazy minds*
Sorry about my typing error. Well anyway actually Nadesico and Evangelion did make it to Toonami once. It made it for I think something called Toonami Robot Week.
Karl Olson
07-16-2003, 07:48 PM
Sorry about my typing error. Well anyway actually Nadesico and Evangelion did make it to Toonami once. It made it for I think something called Toonami Robot Week.
however, there many, many edits made to both. On Adult Swim, Nadesico could run nearly unedited, and eva would hypothetically airable.
Sheamon
07-16-2003, 07:49 PM
First off, it's spelled Evangelion, not Evangaleon.
And Evangelion would never ever go to Toonami or on Adult Swim ,from what I've heard it would get a TV-MA L S V rating.
Um... no. End of Evangelion maybe (although neither is bad in the language department so may as well kick that out) but Eva TV is relatively tame. The violence isn't as bad as that shown on Reign and Cowboy Bebop particularly because it happens to giant monsters instead of humans. As for the nudity, the very small amount may be a problem, but only because Rei is a teenager. They put the nippleless stuff on Lupin and got away with it, thats the worst Eva TV has.
The problem with Eva is that it belongs to ADV meaning it would go on the Anime Network, not Cartoon Network. And its dub is vomit inducing :rolleyes:
Cyber E.
07-16-2003, 07:49 PM
On Giant Robot Week, but then again they were edited to the seventh level of hell.
-Cyber
Karl Olson
07-16-2003, 08:00 PM
Um... no. End of Evangelion maybe (although neither is bad in the language department so may as well kick that out) but Eva TV is relatively tame. The violence isn't as bad as that shown on Reign and Cowboy Bebop particularly because it happens to giant monsters instead of humans. As for the nudity, the very small amount may be a problem, but only because Rei is a teenager. They put the nippleless stuff on Lupin and got away with it, thats the worst Eva TV has.
The problem with Eva is that it belongs to ADV meaning it would go on the Anime Network, not Cartoon Network. And its dub is vomit inducing :rolleyes:
Until the Anime Network is a linear network (not on demand) on basic cable, it's in ADV's best interest to get as much as they can on CN, because the additional exposure it gets can do wonders for the series. The Big O is a case of this. Had it only been on DVD, I highly doubt it would gotten it's second season. ADV may be very successful, but more sales is always better.
Andrew
07-16-2003, 08:30 PM
The problem with Eva is that it belongs to ADV meaning it would go on the Anime Network, not Cartoon Network.
Not necessarily. TechTV has been offered shows by ADV as candidates for airing on Anime Unleashed. I see no reason to believe that they haven't done the same for Cartoon Network.
Pepperidge
07-16-2003, 09:05 PM
Keep in mind that the Evangelion live-action film will be out in a few years. ADV's producing it, so they probably wouldn't mind a little promotion on cable TV as opposed to pay-per-view.
Within two years (assuming that CN can get the All-Ages thing straightened out) the Evangelion TV series could be aired visually uncut on Adult Swim. The only visible nudity in the entire series is in episode 5 (you can see Rei's nipple for about two frames), and the violence is only really gruesome in episode 18. Even then, the only shot that I'd even consider questionable is the Eva's face being punched in.
I'm personally hoping that ADV will get the rights to the new remastered version (which looks amazing) and have that aired on television.
Even if it were edited, the movie could't possibly be aired with anything less than TV-MA. They probably could get special permission to air it uncut in a "once-in-a-lifetime" like situation. I mean, Comedy Central aired the South Park movie uncut...
Nadesico could easily go to either Toonami or Adult Swim-- it's suitable for either audience. I'd rather see it go to Adult Swim though as it would air almost entirely uncut (visually, anyway).
Sheamon
07-16-2003, 09:11 PM
Even if it were edited, the movie could't possibly be aired with anything less than TV-MA. They probably could get special permission to air it uncut in a "once-in-a-lifetime" like situation. I mean, Comedy Central aired the South Park movie uncut...
Although I doubt the TV series would be any problem I highly doubt the movie could ever air on American TV. Even though she obviously doesn't look like a 14 year old, the fact is you've got a 14 year old naked for much of the movie and even a cable network wouldn't want to go down that path...
Animation Otaku
07-16-2003, 09:37 PM
I believe the TV series could air at TV 14-DLSV if they took out the nipple scenes in episode 5, heavily editted episode 18(probably some edits in episode 19) and editted Misato saying the s-bomb and her sleeping with Kaji. They might also edit out Asuka's boobs occasionally, seeing as how she is 14.
The movie is another thing. Misato uses the F-bomb, Rei is naked for nearly 3/4 of the movie, and Asuka destroying the Eva series is pretty violent.
Catlover
07-16-2003, 09:51 PM
Nadesico could & should go to Toonami. According to Matt Willson though, Evangelion isn't suitable for Adult Swim because it's target age range is 13-18. In my opinion, most people watching the anime portion of AS would probably watch it.
Sketch
07-16-2003, 09:56 PM
Nadesico: YES! (be better for a teen block though)
Evangelion: NO!!!!!!!!!
EVA is too controversial (though they left in all the religious elements in the Toonami airings), too violent, and has too much of an edge for even Adult Swim. And I for one wouldn't allow anyone under the age of 17 who doesn't have strong beliefs (or has none at all) to watch it. You have to have a firm grip on your faith (or lack there of) to make it through most episodes of Evangelion and the movie... well don't even go there.
The Drizzle
07-16-2003, 10:15 PM
And I for one wouldn't allow anyone under the age of 17 who doesn't have strong beliefs (or has none at all) to watch it.
People under 17 shouldn't be watching AS anyway. :rolleyes:
Caffeine King
07-16-2003, 10:29 PM
Um... no. End of Evangelion maybe (although neither is bad in the language department so may as well kick that out) but Eva TV is relatively tame. The violence isn't as bad as that shown on Reign and Cowboy Bebop particularly because it happens to giant monsters instead of humans. As for the nudity, the very small amount may be a problem, but only because Rei is a teenager. They put the nippleless stuff on Lupin and got away with it, thats the worst Eva TV has.
The problem with Eva is that it belongs to ADV meaning it would go on the Anime Network, not Cartoon Network. And its dub is vomit inducing :rolleyes:
Well I'm not big with much anime and don't remember the names of anime series I haven't seen very well, so my bad. :sweat:
Ferquin
07-16-2003, 10:30 PM
Hyper Luigi pretty much said it for me.
Personally, Nadesico would be a perfect pick for Adult Swim. Don't know how much they'd edit for Toonami, but it'd totally be good uncut for AS.
Eva is just too much damned trouble. I'd rather see it on The Anime Network if it ever came here. That's the only place you'd see it unedited, the way many crybaby fans want it. If it ever saw light on Cartoon Network again... Well... I just don't want to think of all the ignorant whiny newbies going on another tirade like they do with InuYasha about how it'd be all edited and "butchered".
Sheamon
07-16-2003, 10:32 PM
Nadesico: YES! (be better for a teen block though)
Evangelion: NO!!!!!!!!!
EVA is too controversial (though they left in all the religious elements in the Toonami airings), too violent, and has too much of an edge for even Adult Swim. And I for one wouldn't allow anyone under the age of 17 who doesn't have strong beliefs (or has none at all) to watch it. You have to have a firm grip on your faith (or lack there of) to make it through most episodes of Evangelion and the movie... well don't even go there.
C'mon, thats nonsence. Evangelion's religious content is flimsy when it comes to having any effect on anyone's faith in organized religion. If your beliefs are changed at all by Eva, then its obvious you never had faith in the first place. Yes, there's a lot of religious symbolism there, but most of it is either non-Christian/Jewish, or too obscure, not to mention that it has absolutely nothing to do with the story. Its window dressing, Eva's own creators have said as much. Neither supports nor bashes religion.
And Eva isn't that violent. As I said earlier, both Cowboy Bebop and Reign are much more violent and outside of a few things like Ritsuko's mom strangling Rei it is all on the Angels, not on human beings. Eva TV's content has always been vastly over-rated and if it aired unedited outside of maybe episodes 18 and 23 due to the violence and nudity respectively it wouldn't get higher than TV-14.
Karl Olson
07-16-2003, 10:43 PM
C'mon, thats nonsence. Evangelion's religious content is flimsy when it comes to having any effect on anyone's faith in organized religion. If your beliefs are changed at all by Eva, then its obvious you never had faith in the first place. Yes, there's a lot of religious symbolism there, but most of it is either non-Christian/Jewish, or too obscure, not to mention that it has absolutely nothing to do with the story. Its window dressing, Eva's own creators have said as much. Neither supports nor bashes religion.
And Eva isn't that violent. As I said earlier, both Cowboy Bebop and Reign are much more violent and outside of a few things like Ritsuko's mom strangling Rei it is all on the Angels, not on human beings. Eva TV's content has always been vastly over-rated and if it aired unedited outside of maybe episodes 18 and 23 due to the violence and nudity respectively it wouldn't get higher than TV-14.
Sheamon's got it right. It just seems more intense because Anno is playing mind games with his pacing and story layout, especially in the later 13 episodes. If anything, I gotta give him credit for being able to do what he does with so little content in comparison to other mindtrip shows. Other shows usually have to twice as coarse to achieve a similar or better effect (see SaiKano, Hellsing,) unless of course it's another Gainax product (FLCL achieves a similar effect in 6 episodes and with about the same amount of objectionable content).
Ferquin
07-16-2003, 10:50 PM
Regardless of what faith you are or how much religious symbolism Eva uses and whether it's potent to the story or not, it will never air unedited outside of something like The Anime Network. All the Bible thumpers will come out of the woodwork if Cartoon Network broadcast Eva, even more so since they're based in Atlanta, right in the southern Bible belt.
Trust me, it's more trouble than it's worth to broadcast Eva without either the fanboys whining or the religion-heads bashing.
Sandro
07-16-2003, 10:55 PM
I see Nadesico sitting on the line between Toonami and Adult Swim. I'm not exactly sure where it should go, leaning AS though.
Evangelion on the other hand could and I think should air on Adult Swim. The only episode I see as being a problem is 18 basically the whole fight with EVA Unit 03. Of course, there's a fair amount of blood in episode 19 I think it is. I'm referring to the episode where Shinji decides to come back and fight the 14th Angel that got into the Geofront Then again, I don't think that'll amount to anything like a TV-MA rating.
Mugen
07-16-2003, 11:07 PM
Regardless of what faith you are or how much religious symbolism Eva uses and whether it's potent to the story or not, it will never air unedited outside of something like The Anime Network. All the Bible thumpers will come out of the woodwork if Cartoon Network broadcast Eva, even more so since they're based in Atlanta, right in the southern Bible belt.
Trust me, it's more trouble than it's worth to broadcast Eva without either the fanboys whining or the religion-heads bashing.
You assume too much. Nobody complained when the Angels appeared on Toonami, so why would they complain now? The overall rating EVA would probably get is TV-14- DLSV.
Sheamon
07-16-2003, 11:15 PM
Regardless of what faith you are or how much religious symbolism Eva uses and whether it's potent to the story or not, it will never air unedited outside of something like The Anime Network. All the Bible thumpers will come out of the woodwork if Cartoon Network broadcast Eva, even more so since they're based in Atlanta, right in the southern Bible belt.
Trust me, it's more trouble than it's worth to broadcast Eva without either the fanboys whining or the religion-heads bashing.
Why is it that this continues to go over certain people's heads? Evangelion will not cause a controversy because of 2 main reasons.
1) Adult Swim isn't mainstream enough. This isn't network television at 8 PM. This is midnight on cable on an animation block. Those type of people don't watch the block in the first place
2) Outside of referring to the creatures as Angels and the crucifiction (which is barely in Eva TV anyway) there isn't Christian material there to offend them.
Until you can show me a mainstream, concrete example of a cartoon being played at midnight on cable TV being assaulted by religious wackos enough to effect the sponsers and network airing it, you have no credibility whatsoever. Its always doom and gloom yet you have nothing to back your theory up with.
Umino
07-16-2003, 11:28 PM
Evangelion. If it can air in New Zealand or whatever it can air here...
Will Sturnick
07-17-2003, 01:09 AM
Evangelion isn't adult, it just has some objectionable content to it. It's more of a teen show. Nadesico has too much sexual humor to be on Toonami. I think it'd do fine on Adult Swim.
Karl Olson
07-17-2003, 01:10 AM
Regardless of what faith you are or how much religious symbolism Eva uses and whether it's potent to the story or not, it will never air unedited outside of something like The Anime Network. All the Bible thumpers will come out of the woodwork if Cartoon Network broadcast Eva, even more so since they're based in Atlanta, right in the southern Bible belt.
Trust me, it's more trouble than it's worth to broadcast Eva without either the fanboys whining or the religion-heads bashing.
I think Hellsing would several times more worrisome than Eva could ever be when it comes to religious symbolism and outright religion bashing, and it's even more violent, yet Kyle Pope, the edit list guy, thinks it stands a fair chance of hitting CN at some point. Eva is a cake walk in comparison to Hellsing. Besides, CN let almost all the religion save for a line or two in Trigun slide, which is arguably a lot more direct it's intension than the obscure references to Christianity and Kabal Judaism in Eva.
I'd say Eva is unlikely because ADV feels they are already making enough money from it, not because of any editing worries on CN or ADV's part (yes, it's true, ADV would rather shows not run edited, I confirmed it myself at the ADV panel at SakuraCon, however, it gets the TV series out there, they aren't totally opposed to it, because they know they'll always have uncut discs for sale).
JTurner954
07-17-2003, 01:14 AM
Based on what I've seen during Giant Robot Week, it looks like they would be great additions to either block.
I would be more interested in the wacky "Nadesico" since it seemed better (again, this is based merely on GRW).
RedBoot
07-17-2003, 01:26 AM
Bah. One thing to remember is that Eva fanboys always overemphasize the content in Eva (this is actually true of many fanboys, especially DBZ fanboys). I think Eva could air on AS, and I seriously doubt any bible thumpers or soccer moms would care. Even if they did complain, hey, it's free advertising for the live action movie!
But I personally don't think Eva should be on AS. As has been stated, Eva is most suited for people around the ages of 13 to 18. However, its content would prevent it from ever airing (the full series, I mean) on Toonami. Inuyasha has a similar problem. I think it's best off staying on DVD and the Anime Network.
Nadesico could fit on either Toonami or AS. I would prefer Toonami, just since it would get more exposure, but it would be edited there. I think Nadesico can appeal to 14 year olds and 25 year olds alike, so it would fit wherever they put it.
Only one thing is certain...Dai-Guard needs to be on Toonami, AS, or SVES. Preferably SVES, since the intro would air, the series would last longer, and since there wouldn't be too much to cut.
Animation Otaku
07-17-2003, 01:27 AM
Yeah, aside from a few instances(some of the more direct sexual humor and that scene in episode 24(?))
Pepperidge
07-17-2003, 01:39 AM
I am an Eva fanatic and I must say that the content of Evangelion is a walk in the park compared to other things that AS has shown or will show. I'll ignore Hyper Luigi's pre-recorded rant while saying that Evangelion draws more from obscure Jewish mythology than it does from modern Christianity and does nothing to directly bash any kind of faith. The most potentially offensive imagery in the series I can think of is Lilith herself, and CN has shown worse.
Evangelion can find just as big an audience in an adult-oriented block as it would in a teen-oriented block. Keep in mind that Cowboy Bebop was made for the same demographic as Evangelion, mainly teen and young adult, and yet it found an audience in Adult Swim.
Not to mention that, content and intended demographic aside, the show would be considered to slow-moving and "boring" for the Toonami crowd.
Evangelion aired on Adult Swim in Australia. I don't see why the series and the film shouldn't air on Adult Swim in the US.
Karl Olson
07-17-2003, 01:42 AM
Based on what I've seen during Giant Robot Week, it looks like they would be great additions to either block.
I would be more interested in the wacky "Nadesico" since it seemed better (again, this is based merely on GRW).
If you're looking for mind screw, watch Eva.
If you're looking for hilarious jabs at anime culture, watch Nadesico.
Wounded_Dragon
07-17-2003, 02:05 AM
Would there be anyone who would watch Evangelion who hasn't already seen it? It's been out there for a while now and episodes are airing on ADV's Anime Network.
Pepperidge
07-17-2003, 02:32 AM
They aren't "airing". Evangelion is already insanely popular, so a run on a broadcasting channel (as opposed to pay-per-view, which is what the Anime Network is) certainly wouldn't hurt.
Ferquin
07-17-2003, 02:50 AM
All right, fine. I put my foot in my mouth since I've got no proof on the religion stuff. That's just my fanboyish fear talking so I apologize.
But I still maintain that the fanboys would totally whine up a storm if Eva was broadcast edited. We've already got a disturbing little populace of preteen babies complaining of the lack of InuYasha. What more when the hordes of otaku start jumping about Eva edits and how their precious show will get "butchered"?
I love Eva and personally, I'd rather it not be broadcast at all. Eva should be enjoyed on a DVD with a group of friends. Just simply watching it on TV with edits sorta takes away from the experience. I can totally remember watching Eva back when it was still coming out little by little on tape and looking at my friends stunned in shock just as I was while we watched the series unfold for the first time. Something like that just can't be replaced with an edited TV broadcast. You gotta watch it uncut, and TV just won't allow for that. Do yourself a favor and just get the series on tape or DVD.
[edit]Oh, hey Karl. You went to Sakura Con too? You might remember me. I also went to the ADV panel. I was the guy in the Team Rocket outfit with the Meowth.
Karl Olson
07-17-2003, 03:12 AM
on whiny otaku: ignore 'em. they aren't the target of this stuff, because probably saw stuff it fansubbed way back in the day anyway, and they've got the vhs and the DVDs, or they are lazy punks with bootlegs. Either way, they aren't the target demo.
on sakura con: the costume definetely sounds familar. I myself was the only man at the con cosplaying as Shuichi from Gravitation. Darn SakuraCon was fun, even I got some serious chest-cold action off it.
Sampo
07-17-2003, 06:17 AM
Gekigang PUNCH! :)
Nadesico would be a nice addition to either Adult Swim or Toonami (with edits).
Ferquin
07-17-2003, 09:18 AM
on sakura con: the costume definetely sounds familar. I myself was the only man at the con cosplaying as Shuichi from Gravitation. Darn SakuraCon was fun, even I got some serious chest-cold action off it.
You're not the only one. I guess everyone got sick from that stupid fire alarm fiasco. :p
Mugen
07-17-2003, 12:17 PM
Heh, I bet someone from WS is reading this, and saying "Hmm, maybe we should air EVA on AS just to get fanboys to complain."
Crimefighter
07-17-2003, 12:27 PM
Errr...you guys can't make your minds whether a show is for 13-18 or adults! If certain parts of a show is not suitable for kids 13-18 then that makes it an adult show! Sheesh, they can edit out or modify the worst parts of the show whatever it is so it can air on AS with a TV-14 rating.
Killtacular
07-17-2003, 12:34 PM
Evangelion can find just as big an audience in an adult-oriented block as it would in a teen-oriented block. Keep in mind that Cowboy Bebop was made for the same demographic as Evangelion, mainly teen and young adult, and yet it found an audience in Adult Swim.
Evangelion could NOT find as big an audience.
Cowboy Bebop is accepted by American adults because it IS adult to them. Adult characters, running around and doing adult things, trying to escape their past, etc. All wrapped up in noir and suspense. Of COURSE it appeals to adults.
Evangelion WOULD not appeal to adults. It's whiny teenage angst, with a very slim amount of adult characters doing anything adult, wrapped up in ugly animation and CGI. It's a show for the Toonami crowd only.
So just show it on Toonami. Who the **** cares if they remove the religious symbolism?
IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING ANYWAY!!
I don't think there's any reason to put a tween-teen show on a block of adult programming simply because you fear "bible-thumpers" (who honestly have better things to do with their time than harass a low-rated cable network like CN).
If certain parts of a show is not suitable for kids 13-18 then that makes it an adult show! Sheesh, they can edit out or modify the worst parts of the show whatever it is so it can air on AS with a TV-14 rating.
God, I hate statements like these. I'd argue it, but I've only argued it a MILLION times with other people of similar.... what's the word I'm looking for...
deathscythe51
07-17-2003, 12:45 PM
So just show it on Toonami. Who the **** cares if they remove the religious symbolism?
My thoughts exactly. I'm really sick of seeing all these threads about " well if they took this out or that out then it would ruin everything, so it can't go to toonami..". If you people want it unedited buy the damn DVD's and park yourself in front of the tube. The truth is that most of the audience of adult swim wouldn't give a s*** about the show because it IS a TEEN show.
Killtacular
07-17-2003, 12:52 PM
And the DVDs have only been out for, oh, FOREVER.
(waits for some jobless idiot to whine about not having money)
Pepperidge
07-17-2003, 01:58 PM
That's the thing: fanboys WON'T complain because there is, perhaps, about two frames of the entire series that would have to be cut to get a TV-14 now. They probably won't even have to be cut two years from now.
The thing about Toonami is that it isn't for teens. Yes, I am fiercly biased towards anime running as uncut as possible on television regardless of the circumstances, but ultimately the block is designed for the 9-14 crowd, whereas Evangelion has more of a 13-20 appeal. The show is too complex and slow-moving for a block that demands action, and having the show aired on Toonami would leave zero chance of the movie ever getting a chance to debut.
It's more "adult" than Inu Yasha, in any case.
Karl Olson
07-17-2003, 02:16 PM
You're not the only one. I guess everyone got sick from that stupid fire alarm fiasco. :p
No, I got sick from getting virtually no sleep. Also, I'm sure hugging from random shonen-ai fangirls every ten minutes doesn't help when comes to dodging contagious illnesses.
Killtacular
07-17-2003, 02:51 PM
I fail to see how Evangelion is more adult than Inuyasha, and I don't think it would really matter if CN aired the Eva movie or not. They probably wouldn't, no matter where the show aired, because ADV would probably just run it over and over again on Anime Network.
Honestly, why would Evangelion go to CN and not Anime Network anyway? It's been out on DVD forever. They don't need an outside source to help their DVD sales. Their DVDs have sold substantially on their own. I honestly don't see Adult Swim picking up much anime that has had DVDs out for more than 3 or 4 years.
Sheamon
07-17-2003, 06:04 PM
I fail to see how Evangelion is more adult than Inuyasha, and I don't think it would really matter if CN aired the Eva movie or not. They probably wouldn't, no matter where the show aired, because ADV would probably just run it over and over again on Anime Network.
They wouldn't do that because Manga has the Eva movies, not ADV :p
Ferquin
07-17-2003, 06:16 PM
Hah! Got you there, Matt. It'd be pretty interesting to see if Anime Network could get the Eva movies on there. Most likely so. But every anime nerd that likes Eva already has both the TV series and the movies, so it's sorta moot.
Again, it's better to just watch it at home with friends. Nadesico, however, would work great for Adult Swim. Let's ditch the Eva thing and ruminate on the possibility of getting Nadesico on the air.
Crimefighter
07-17-2003, 08:19 PM
Evangelion could NOT find as big an audience.
Cowboy Bebop is accepted by American adults because it IS adult to them. Adult characters, running around and doing adult things, trying to escape their past, etc. All wrapped up in noir and suspense. Of COURSE it appeals to adults.
Evangelion WOULD not appeal to adults. It's whiny teenage angst, with a very slim amount of adult characters doing anything adult, wrapped up in ugly animation and CGI. It's a show for the Toonami crowd only.
And who exactly does the shows Trigun and Kikaider appeal to?
So just show it on Toonami. Who the **** cares if they remove the religious symbolism?
Growl...gee I guess it could air on Toonami if they do an extreme amount of editing and get rid of the blood, alcohol, smoking, cursing...just like they've done with Kenshin.
I don't think there's any reason to put a tween-teen show on a block of adult programming simply because you fear "bible-thumpers" (who honestly have better things to do with their time than harass a low-rated cable network like CN).
God, I hate statements like these. I'd argue it, but I've only argued it a MILLION times with other people of similar.... what's the word I'm looking for...
That simply ain't the reason, the violence, gore, drug use just isn't for the pre-teen/teen crowd that Toonami caters to. Adult Swim is geered for the TV-14 crowd, it always has been and always will be until a TV-MA show appears on it.
SSJPabs
07-17-2003, 08:20 PM
EVA Nadesico? HA! Dai-guard for Toonami man would that ever be a riot!!!
I hate agreeing with Matt but on some points I do.
EVA is definitely more of a 13-17 year old show. It's for the teen angst crowd (when I watched EVA some years back I fit that demo pefectly) it also wouldn't appeal to the 18-34 demo because you it's hard to identify with the characters (the age difference is too great, I mean I look at kids that are 15 and think "I can't imagine that I was like that...") and because once you hit the middle of that demo say about 24 or so, the angst has dropped so much that you might be more likely to laugh at Evangelion.
PS: Although... I did show a friend of mine EVA a few years ago, and his father who is a philosophy teacher at a Lutheran College found it mildly stimultaing. So it can happen but I doubt it would appeal to the majority of the AS target audeince.
Sketch
07-17-2003, 09:01 PM
The only way to take in Evangelion is sometimes to just laugh. Because that's about all you can do.
No I'm sticking to my guns. They talk about God, Lilith (I believe she was the mythed other woman in the garden of Eden but that's debatable and I for one don't believe in Lilith), Adam (in a rather different sense), and has cross explosions all the time. The cross is a Christian symbol. It was were Jesus was sacrified. The majority of the Jewish relgion don't believe that the chross was very significant and that Jesus was not the savior.
On a slightly different note they kept all the religious stuff from the two episodes they aired, but those episodes weren't heavy in that department. However later episodes could cause a problem, but then again they've shown stuff in other AS shows. So the reglious stuff wouldn't keep it from airing. The intesity would though.
I don't care what anyone says... the violence in Evangelion is much worse than a lot of the things on Adult Swim. Wether it be human to human or creature to human violence does not matter. The fights in Eva are brutal more times than not. Episode 18 especially.
There have been instances of young men who live in conservative "Chrisitan" family's that got entirely depressed and a little crazy from watching Evangelion. One case actually ended up in suicide.
And there are too many parents that just let their kids watch whatever they want and the last thing those kinds of kids need is to see EVA.
Killtacular
07-17-2003, 09:48 PM
There have been instances of young men who live in conservative "Chrisitan" family's that got entirely depressed and a little crazy from watching Evangelion. One case actually ended up in suicide.
It's a little thing called "natural selection." Weeding out those who won't ever be able to make it in this world.
This is why we need a Teen Swim.
Pepperidge
07-17-2003, 10:40 PM
I just agreed with something Matt Wilson said! I must be going mad. No offense, Hyper Luigi, but a lot of people can only take so much bible-thumping. We respect your beliefs, but we don't need to hear you repeating the same thing over and over again at this forum, let alone in the same thread. Anyone who would become traumatized over something like Evangelion probably doesn't (or shouldn't) watch much television.
Ratings aside, I still think that Eva should get at least a run or two on cable television; Adult Swim is the best place to do it, and promotion for the movie would be the perfect excuse. I mean, it's gotten that much in just about every other country in the world.
Well, not Canada. :P
As I said before, I'd rather see Nadesico on Adult Swim simply because there'd be less cutting. It doesn't really appeal to teens any more than it would appeal to adults.
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