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DisneyBoy

07-15-2003, 01:17 PM

After recently upgrading to a new satelite tv system, I was thrilled beyond words to discover that I could now watch two back-to-back episodes of Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman. When the series first aired, my parents (and their curfews) often prevented me from seeing the show, and by the time I was a regular viewer, the series was well into it's third season, and well out of clever episode ideas.

This Monday morning, I awoke prepared with a blank tape, and recorded the two-hour pilot episode, only to be discovered by my mother, who expressed great frustration that I was using the VCR to record television shows. For those you of you who weren't around when I began posting about this a year or so ago in the Cafe, my parents hate...HATE...when I use the VCR to record ANYTHING on television. They find it excessive, unnecessary ("Why would anyone want to watch the same episode twice?") and obsessive...opinions which no doubt formed during my years of taping Ally McBeal. After Ally ended, I stopped recording anything on a weekly or even monthly basis, in the hopes that they might calm down and rethink their stance. My father doesn't seem to mind me taping Lois and Clark, but my mother isn't likely to change her mind, it seems.

So, today, when I taped the next two episodes, I covered up the little red light that turns on with black electrical tape, hoping she wouldn't notice (clever, hun :rolleyes: ). I was lucky today. I foresee many problems should they catch on to the fact that I'm running down to the TV every weekday morning at 8.

But back to the show. It is for this reason that I only want to tape the best episodes of the series, starting with the first season. Basically, I'm wondering which episodes fans most enjoyed, as well as those which built on the overall continuity of the series, so that I can have Lois and Clark on tape without the unnecessary, "fluff" episodes. I've had difficulty tracking down a conprehensive episode review/guide for the series online, aside from the one I've included below (from SupermanHomepage.com) If anyone can suggest a good site, please let me know.

So, aside from the first three episodes (listed here as Pilot, 2 and 3), which I already have, which other first season episodes do you think are keepers? The ones I'm most considering taping have been highlighted in bold...

Many thanks, fellow Lois and Clark fans, and Toonzoners alike!

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1) Premiere (September 12, 1993)
In Metropolis, Perry White hires Clark as a new reporter at the Daily Planet, after Clark writes a story about an elderly actress. Clark, with his parents' help, designs his public identity as Superman. Clark meets fellow Daily Planet reporter Lois Lane, as well as Jimmy Olsen and columnist Cat Grant. Lois and Clark investigate possible sabotage of a space shuttle, and Superman debuts saving another shuttle which Lois has hidden in. Superman confronts Lex Luthor after learning of his involvement with the sabotage.

2) Strange Visitor (From Another Planet) (September 26, 1993)
Lois and Clark are interrogated by supposed government agents about the new Superman. After later learning the men were bogus agents, Lois and Clark's investigation lead them to a warehouse where Clark finds the stolen remains of his kryptonian rocketship. The warehouse has been kept by a now rogue agency named Bureau 39 led by Jason Trask (Terence Knox). After escaping from an abduction by Trask, Lois and Clark later find the warehouse empty.

3) Neverending Battle (October 3, 1993)
Note: this episode was aired after Strange Visitor, but is the second episode of the storyline.
Clark gets an apartment. After Lex Luthor endangers the public to test Superman's abilities, Clark briefly considers not being Superman. After Lois has stolen a story from Clark, he pulls a practical joke on her involving a phony map to the buried remains of Superman's rocketship.

4) I'm Looking Through You (October 10, 1993)
After Metropolis celebrates Superman Day, Clark worries about what people think of Clark Kent. Lois and Clark help an inventor, Alan Morris (Leslie Jordan), who has invented a suit that makes the wearer invisible. A crook has stolen some of the invisibility suits and it's up to Superman to catch the gang at the Metropolis Gold Repository.

5) Requiem For a Super Hero (October 17, 1993)
Lois and Clark uncover a plot to use Lois' estranged father, Dr. Sam Lane, to surgically alter a group of boxers using implants. The plan is secretly financed by Lex Luthor. In this episode, Perry decides Lois and Clark should be a reporting team.

6) I've Got a Crush on You (October 24, 1993)
Lois and Clark are rivals during an undercover investigation, at a bar run by the Metro gang, about a series of arson attacks done by The Toasters in Metropolis' West River district.

7) Smart Kids (October 31, 1993)
At the Beckworth State School, Dr. Carlton has been using the resident orphans to research a drug that temporarily boosts IQ. The research is secretly funded by Lex Luthor. A group of orphans runaway and try to get more of the drug by threatening Metropolis and then Luthor, before Superman talks to their leader.

8) The Green, Green Glow of Home (November 14, 1993)
Wayne Irig, a neighbor of the Kents in Smallville, tells them he has found a mysterious green rock and that after having it tested government agents questioned him. Perry assigns Lois and Clark to investigate, after hearing the story. They go to Smallville where Lois meets Clark's parents. After Pa shows Clark the rock, Clark is ill and weak for several hours. An EPA investigator is being used by Trask and Bureau 39. Trask believes the rock is from Krypton and will be dangerous to Superman, so he wants to find it. At a climatic confrontation with Clark at the Kent farm, after learning Clark is Superman and again exposing him to the rock, Trask is shot by the sheriff after pulling a gun on Clark. Later, Clark dubs the now shattered rock, kryptonite.

9) The Man of Steel Bars (November 21, 1993)
When a heatwave hits Metropolis in November, and a scientist claims the heatwave on Superman using his powers, an injunction is placed on him to stop using his powers. When Superman uses his powers to stop an escaping criminal, he is arrested temporarily. After using his powers to save a train causes more heat, Clark decides to stop being Superman and to leave Metropolis. Lois discovers the heat is caused by a nuclear power plant owned by Luthor. Superman saves the city when a leak at the plant threatens disaster.

10) Pheromone, My Lovely (November 28, 1993)
After being spurned by Lex Luthor, a scientist Miranda (Morgan Fairchild) sprays a new perfume (Exclusive) at the Daily Planet that causes the staff to act out their romantic desires. This causes Lois to reveal her attraction to Clark. Later, Miranda sprays Luthor which causes him to reveal his love to Lois at a dinner. Finally, as revenge Miranda plans to spray Metropolis with an undiluted spray, and Lex has to warn Superman to stop her.

11) Honeymoon in Metropolis (December 12, 1993)
Lois and Clark spend time together in a honeymoon suite as part of a stakeout where they uncover a plot to sabotage a test of a new defense system developed by one of Luthor's companies. Superman saves the day when the sabotage causes a tidal wave.

12) All Shook Up (January 2, 1994)
At a news conference, a recent eclipse is revealed to have been caused by an approaching asteroid dubbed Nightfall. The asteroid's path will collide with the Earth. Superman flies off and collides with it apparently destroying it. The explosion stuns Superman who crashes in Metropolis's Suicide Slum area, and is later found as Clark Kent with amnesia by the police. Lois and later Ma and Pa Kent work to restore his memory. While trying to help Clark, Lois again admits she is growing close to Clark. Finally, Superman recovers just in time to stop a remaining fragment of Nightfall from hitting the Earth.

13) Witness (January 9, 1994)
After Lois witnesses a disguised hitman kill Dr. Vincent Winninger, Clark acts as a bodyguard while they investigate, uncovering a plot to strip mine a Brazillian forest for rich mineral deposits. Dr. Winninger had discovered the deposits when discovering a plant that could be used to increase male virility.

14) Illusions of Grandeur (January 23, 1994)
Someone is kidnapping the children of rich people for ransom. Lois and Clark investigate suspecting an illusionist Darren Romick (Penn Jillette) who uses hypnosis. During an attempt to recover a child, the villain manages to hypnotize Superman. Eventually the villain is revealed to be the illusionist's assistant Constance, and Superman manages to shake off her hypnosis and stop a sattelite from broadcasting her hypnotic Magic Channel.

15) The Ides of Metropolis (February 6, 1994)
Lois aided by a skeptical Clark prove that Eugene Latterman, a computer programmer accused of killing Henry Harrison because Eugene was having an affair with Harrison's wife, is innocent. They eventually learn Harrison is still alive and framed Eugene, so that Harrison could safely release a computer virus (the Ides of Metropolis) to disrupt computers worldwide.

16) Foundling (February 20, 1994)
One night Clark awakens in his apartment and experiences a message from a globe he found with the remains of his kryptonian rocketship (from Strange Visitor). The message is from his biological father Jor-El (David Warner) and is the first of five. But before any more messages occur, the next day Clark returns to his apartment and finds someone has broken in and stolen stuff, including the globe. The thief is a boy named Jack, who when triggering a partial message decides the globe must be valuable, and eventually sells it to someone. The person is Nigel, Luthor's assistant. Luthor plans to keep the globe in a hidden museum and triggers further messages and so learns of Superman's alien origins. Lois and Clark track down Jack and his brother, and Clark learns Jack has sold the globe. Luthor has Jack's brother (Denny) kidnapped to learn where the globe came from. Superman eventually saves Denny at Luthor's museum and gets the globe back, but is unaware the museum is Luthor's. Now both Clark and Luthor know of Superman's alien origins. Jack gets a job at the Daily Planet.

17) The Rival (February 27, 1994)
The Daily Planet's rival the Metropolis Star is regularly scooping the Planet. Clark goes undercover working at the Star and working with Linda King, a former college friend of Lois, uncovers a plot by the Star's publisher Preston Carpenter (Dean Stockwell) to create news stories which his reporters can scoop so that he can become a media mogul (inspired by the movie Citizen Kane). Lois is jealous of King being with Clark, especially when at first she doesnt know why Clark is working with King.

18)Vatman (March 13, 1994)
Clark discovers an imposter Superman is helping people around the world. As Superman, Clark confronts the impostor who flies off eluding Superman. The impostor goes to his "father" Lex Luthor. Luthor has hired Dr. Leak, a clone researcher, to clone Superman using a stolen hair sample. Luthor trains the impostor to think Superman is the enemy. When Dr. Leak tells Luthor the clone is dying, Luthor has the clone kidnap Lois to lure Superman into a final confrontation. But the clone is attracted to Lois, and after fighting with Superman is convinced Superman is not his enemy. Knowing he is dying the clone goes to Luthor and gets the hair sample, then persuades Superman to take him to the sun to die.

19) Fly Hard (March 27, 1994)
On a weekend night at the Daily Planet, Clark, Jack, Perry and Jimmy are working. Lois arrives with Luthor, who she will be going out with on a date. While Jimmy is at a supply room, a gang storm into the office and hold the group at gunpoint. It turns out the gang are working for a night watchman at the Daily Planet, who is really Bill Roberson. Roberson years ago was betrayed by gangster Dragon Eddie, who had hidden a vault in the building. The gang's leader betrays Roberson. Eventually, Clark gets an opportunity to stop the gang without revealing he is Superman.

20) Barbarians At the Planet (May 1, 1994)
On board one of Luthor's jets, Luthor proposes to Lois, but she puts off deciding whether to accept. Luthor gets a phone call from someone who has somehow arranged a theft of a piece of kryptonite. The next day at the Daily Planet, the staff learns the newspaper being in financial trouble has been bought out by Luthor. Lois defends Luthor's reputation and reveals he has proposed to her. Luthor demotes Perry, Jimmy, and Jack. After Jack insults Luthor, Luthor arranges to frame Jack by having evidence linked to him when a planted explosive causes a fire in the building. Because of the fire, Luthor shuts down the newspaper, and Perry decides to retire. Lois starts working at a tv network owned by Luthor, where Clark tells her he loves her. She replies she loves him as a friend. Luthor obtains the kryptonite and has the supplier killed. After another argument about Luthor with Clark, Lois talks with Luthor at his home, and accepts his proposal. Superman secretly observing them flies off distressed.

21) The House of Luthor (May 8, 1994)
Clark, Perry, Jimmy, and Jack (who has escaped custody) begin investigating how Jack was framed and the Daily Planet's sale. Luthor's new assistant arranges a test at a bank to verify the purchased kryptonite is genuine. Meanwhile, Lois is having doubts about getting married and missing her old friends. Lois asks Clark to attend the wedding but he declines, and suggests she check into what insurance Luthor had for the Planet. Luthor later arranges Superman to meet with him, and in a basement drops a cage trap including kryptonite on Superman. Meanwhile, Perry, Jimmy, and Jack now have evidence that Luthor had a large insurance policy on the Planet building, and how Jack was framed. When Clark doesn't show up, Perry talks to financier Franklin Stern (James Earl Jones) about buying the Daily Planet. Lois is having growing doubts and at the wedding ceremony declines to marry Luthor. Then Perry and the police arrive with an arrest warrant. Lex manages to escape and goes to the basement and finds Superman missing, having managed to recently escape. Luthor then flees to his penthouse where he apparently commits suicide leaping from his terrace. Clark, now outside with Lois, is too weak to catch Luthor. Later, newspaper headlines say Luthor's body is missing. Later, Lois and Clark talk about their relationship, and Clark lies telling Lois he wants them to be just friends.

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[From the sounds of this guide, these are the episodes that interest me most:

(Pilot, 2, 3) 5, 6 (Does Lois sing in this one?), 8, 9, 10, 12, 16, 18, 20 and 21.]

Suggestions? Thoughts? Fond Memories?

RKillian

07-15-2003, 02:27 PM

As someone who's made this mistake before, I can off only two words of advice:

Get everything.

You never know when your tastes will change or you'll discover an episode nobody told you about, and you'll kick yourself over and over for missing it. The extra $2.99 for the tape and any bad encounters you have with your parents will pale in comparison.

M'ral

07-15-2003, 02:51 PM

All I can say is that it's great to find another Lois and Clark fan! This show has been maligned and mudslung so often, I thought of it as a guilty pleasure until yesterday morning, when I saw the pilot again for the first time since its premiere in 1993. It was just so good, so utterly enjoyable, I fell in love with the series all over again.

I'm with RKillian on this...if at all possible, get everything. Even the fluff episodes had great moments. But if you have to pick and choose, unfortunately I can't help you much...I was pretty young when the show originally aired, and I don't remember a lot of the first season. I do remember The Green, Green Glow of Home and The Man of Steel Bars, though...they were great, definitely worth taping. I don't know about Lois singing (the only time I remember her singing was much later when Lex wiped her memory and made her act out her romance novel), but if I remember correctly, Pheromone, My Lovely was the one when she put on that blue gauzy harem outfit and tried to seduce Clark--that scene alone made the episode worth taping, it was so hilarious! Most of the other episodes I remember were from much later in the series, and not all of them were stellar, though I would recommend Swear to God, This Time We're Not Kidding! (Lois and Clark finally got married) and Don't Tug on Superman's Cape (Not an Earth-shattering, can't miss episode, but a personal favorite...Lois and Clark, whose wedding is drawing near, both experience nightmarish flashes of married life {styled after such classic TV shows and movies as I Love Lucy, James Bond, and Dragnet} as they investigate filthy rich and supremely lovey-dovey couple Tim and Amber Lake {played by guest star Jonathan Frakes and his real-life wife whose name I've temporarily forgotten}). Never on Sunday was interesting, too, and brought a very cool magic element to the show. Ordinary People, in which Lois and Clark are drawn into a trap by rich and reclusive Spencer Spencer, was a dog...I wouldn't reccommend that one, despite some very sweet romantic scenes with Lois and Clark. Sorry, that's all the episodes I really remember.

One more thing, and I hope you'll forgive me for saying it...your mom is nuts! I'm not sure if you can do this with satellite TV (I have cable), but is there a way you could put another VCR in your room or something, where your mom can't stop you from recording your shows? If you can't get them yourself, you could probably find somebody else who's recording them who'd be willing to send you copies (heck, I'd be willing to do it if you want, but progress is going to be slow as I've only just started taping this run). It's just so sad that you can only get "the best" of the series--like I said, even the fluff episodes had moments that made them great. :(

The Penguin

07-16-2003, 02:28 AM

I totally agree that if you can get them all DB that is definately the way to go. I have actually thought about doing it a few times myself, never actually done it though. :o

If you absolutely cannot though, I came up with a couple other ones for you. The ones you currently have bolded btw I think are all great calls.

Honeymoon in Metropolis
As I recall there is a lot of great tension between Lois and Clark in this episode and lays some of the groundwork for these two being attracted to each other, but neither one willing to admit it to the other one.

Illusions of Grandeur
Maybe it's just because I like Penn (of Penn & Teller) but some of the magic aspects of this episode are kind of cool. Sure you can argue all day long about Superman getting hypnotized, but I still like this one.

Fly Hard
I suppose if you look at this critically the flashbacks using Lois, Clark, Lex and some of the others is a bit much, but I really enjoy the scenes with everyone being held captive in the Planet office though. You don't often get all the characters (well except for Cat Grant) together like that and it's cool seeing them interact and how Luthor behaves in this situation. Plus Star Trek: Voyager's Commander Chakotay is the bad guy! How can you go wrong with that? :p

Seriously though DB, get them all if you can, but think about these others if you can't and be sure to hit us up for ideas when season 2 starts (unless you tape them all). ;)

M'ral

07-16-2003, 12:59 PM

ARGH!! I missed today's episodes! My usually extremely reliable VCR decided to go bonkers the one day I forgot to set my alarm clock! Damn it, Damn it, DAMN IT!!! :mad:

...

Sorry about that. :o

Steven C

07-16-2003, 04:05 PM

Disneyboy - i got a suggestion for you.

Even though my parents could have cared less if I used the VCR or not, I still had my own TV/VCR but didnt have cable in my room. Actually cable was only downstairs (I was 16 at the time, now Im 27) but w/ the help of 3 friends we spliced the cable and ran the wires inside the walls to my house (tri level house) and ran it upstairs to my room. It was well worth it. Cable TV late night used to be good.

Actually my parents found out and had us splice it again and hook it up in my bro's and their room.

Meow

07-17-2003, 12:06 AM

I'm a Lois and Clark fan too! I'm glad to see that I'm not the only person on this board who likes that show. It does seem to get bashed quite a bit. Yes, it can be a bit cheesy at times, but overall I think it's still a very enjoyable show. I actually got into it fairly recently. (during it's run on TNT) I have almost all the episodes on tape. I wish they'd release the show on DVD...but I think it's safe to say that's not gonna happen.

I honestly don't know what on earth is wrong with your parents. Are they opposed to buying DVDs or VHS tapes of movies as well?

Russkafin

07-17-2003, 12:26 AM

DisneyBoy, the entire first season of Lois and Clark rocks, man. It was like the show could do no wrong. There was some kind of magic in the air during that whole first year, I love every single episode. The rest of the series was often hit-or-miss, but the first season totally got it right. What did you think of the Pilot??

Just wait 'til you see Barbarians at the Planet and House of Luthor... I envy you man, I wish I was just seeing those episodes for the first time. :)

Oh yeah - And am I the only one who thought Mike Landes was a way better Jimmy Olsen than Justin Whalen??

M'ral

07-17-2003, 12:56 AM

Oh yeah - And am I the only one who thought Mike Landes was a way better Jimmy Olsen than Justin Whalen??

I didn't used to think so, but now that I'm getting to see the first season again, I'm beginning to think you're right. When I was a kid I loved Justin Whalen, but after seeing an early episode the other day (Was it the Pilot? I'm not sure...lousy memory) when Perry was having Jimmy doing all these stupid things like run for doughnuts and fix his foot massager, I had to change my mind about Landes. He was so good...he played up Jimmy's indignation and frustration just enough that I could feel the tension, but he never overplayed it, and when he finally exploded, it was just as I imagined how Jimmy Olsen would react: still terrified of confronting the Chief, but pushed well beyond his boiling point. I just can't remember Whalen ever handling a scene so carefully, let alone playing an entire episode teetering on the edge. Like I said, I don't remember that much, and I may change my mind again as the series progresses and I get to see Whalen again, but in the few later episodes I do have on tape, Whalen's performance seemed a little flat.

DisneyBoy

07-17-2003, 09:53 AM

WOW!

I'm really surprised by all the pleasant feedback...I thought for sure that this thread would get lost in the back pages within minutes!

Yes, I too, am a huge fan of Lois and Clark, and sadly taping the entire first season is now not going to happen, as I've already missed yesterday's two (my mom was sleeping downstairs, by the tv, so there was no way for me to record without her noticing). Oddly enough, as I type this, she just walked by and, thinking that I was taping L+C at the same time, asked me when I'd have time to watch it...Is she OK with me taping or not? :mad: :shrug: :rolleyes: (Sigh) Parents....

Anyway, I was so completely thrilled to see the pilot! When it premiered, I was sent to bed (I had an early curfew) and always wondered exactly what I'd missed, especially since all of my pals were buzzing about it the next day. I was really pleased with the handling of all the characters, from the honest, determined and sweet Clark (who cared enough to listen to that poor actress as her theatre was being torn down, and then write a real story about it), to the frantic, lonely and one-track minded Lois (whose reactions to both Clark and Lex proved interesting). I was surprised that Terry Hatcher could "cry" for beans though. In the later episodes, I think she got better at it.

And I must agree about everyone's comments regarding the two Jimmy's. Landes portrays a much more mature character than Whalin ever did. I never expected that the first actor could bring so much more to the character. Kinda makes you wonder why he was replaced. I will say this for Whalin, though - visually, he blended better with the cast. He looked more like a kid...I suspect Landes would have out-grown the part too quickly. When he and Dean are next to each other they look like brothers.

And here's a head scratcher: Where does Kat Grant go? I know she isn't on later seasons...does she have a "final" episode? And at what point does Nigel (Tony Jay) officially become Luthor's right-hand man? Presently, some Indian dude is always by his side....And while I'm asking questions, who is the dope they hired to play Lois' father? He had no impact on me whatsoever...glad to know he'll be replaced by a better actor...when exactly does that happen?

Technically speaking, Russkafin, I did see the some of these episodes via reruns ages ago, but all I can remember is bits and pieces (Drugged Lois flirting with Clark...Lex taking a plunge from his penthouse), so I guess in a way I am seeing these again for the first time.

I've watched all the episodes, thus far, except the one with the Kid Geniuses, since it's on now and sounded really hokey. There have been so many nice touches...in the pilot, you can see clear links to the comics history (in which Clark first publically used his powers to save a space-plane that Lois was on) to even S:TAS (the final rooftop Lex/Superman chat). And the best part was how the writers continued to build on the "Superman is New in Town" thread throughout the first few episodes. It seemed to have ended, however, in yesterday's "I'm Looking Through You", which was vastly superior to "Requiem" (I didn't tape either of them). This is such a thrill! I can see Lois and Clark - YAY!

So, to keep you all afloat, this is what I've got taped thus far:

Pilot, Neverending Battle, Strange Visitor and I've Got a Crush on You. I don't think L+C will air tomorrow, so I'll have to wait until next week to see the kryptonite episode. If they replay the series again on TNT, I'll do my best to fill in the blanks in my collection. And you bet I'll be asking for Season Two suggestions, Pengy!

Ciao!

peterparker05

07-17-2003, 12:36 PM

A comprehensive Episode Guide can be found for Lois and Clark at the Showguide on www.tvguide.com, as well as episode guides for many other series. Enjoy!

DisneyBoy

07-17-2003, 03:45 PM

The Penguin

07-17-2003, 05:01 PM

Oh...and one more question. I'm six episodes + the pilot into the first season, and Lois' sister, Lucy has seemingly vanished. Does she pop back up again in season one, or at least get some mention? I hate it when shows just drop characters without a single mention.I think her name might pop up again, but Lucy pretty much disappears if I remember correctly.

M'ral

07-17-2003, 05:50 PM

I think her name might pop up again, but Lucy pretty much disappears if I remember correctly.

I know Lucy was in the episode with Metallo...Corbin was her no-good bum of a boyfriend. I think that was season two...I'll have to check the episode guide to make sure. Other than that, I don't know what happened to her.

Nightwing

07-17-2003, 07:47 PM

A random thought just crossed my mind, and I thought I'd post it. I've certainly done my share of complaining about things which are unnavailable to me. I want you guys to know that I didn't start this thread to rub in the fact that I can see reruns of something many can't...

Nonsense. You're just appreciating something that you wanted to enjoy but couldn't before, and are able to now. Nothing bad about that, in my opinion, just so long as your happy. And we all get babbly and goofy when we're enthused about something. Ask any 6 year old who's really really really into Yu Gi Oh, to site my most recent example (oh god please kill me, I have to go away to South Dakota for a wedding on the last weekend of September and he's going to be there!! That's why I bought a Gameboy Advance SP though, it will be my only weapon against the evil boredom, and ducking from HIM).

Ahem! Anyway! Let me get straight to the point even though I want to babble a lot more. Get as much of the show down as you can. That is my opinion but I didn't think of how one's taste might change, like the other opinions in this thread have. MY reason was because you want as much of a particular season as you can get, because in one way or another it all connects. That way while watching you're always in the know. Besides, there were a few good episodes after the show went downhill (AKA Clark and Lois got together).

As for the other babble part I just wanted to include how much I was laughing when I read your first post, DB. Your parents would NOT like me. I tape lots of things, just to have them, like a few Angel season premiere's, the Smallville premiere and whatever else I may have taped because I might miss it, or because it's a big event. And since the start of July, I've decided to tape every single episode of the anime Trigun, on Adult Swim. I've been looking forever for a character who was as much like me as possible so I would have someone to relate to. It's been a thing of mine ten years in the running.

Anyway, the point is that the obsession level is high. I have all the tapes lined up, I've been taping it manually so I could cut out the commercials, and in the beginning of every tape I'll include the 30 second Adult Swim promotion of the show, as kind of an intro. I also made and printed out my own tape labels in Photoshop. :p

I'm sorry your folks feel that way but I'm sure they have their valid reasons. In fact I'd say you both do, since two different sides of one issue almost always do. Anyway, Enjoy Lois & Clark!! I hope to catch up with the reruns myself sometime around.

justicefan61

07-17-2003, 08:16 PM

I'm a big fan of anything to do with Superman. Lois and Clark was great as a different take on the Superman universe. I would like to see it on DVD and any other Superman series like the old Superman series from the Fifties and even the eighties Superboy show that came out after the superman movies. Smallville is the current series and since it's out on DVD ,we may see some older series like "lois and Clark" .

Russkafin

07-18-2003, 12:40 AM

To answer a few questions...

-Lucy does pretty much disappear after the first few episodes. She returns in the season two episode "Metallo," albiet played by a different actress. She is occasionally mentioned after that, but never seen again.

-Lois's parents go through cast changes as well. Her dad appears in Requiem For A Superhero, and her mom appears in The House of Luthor (played by former TV Lois Phyllis Coates). By the time her parents become semi-regular guest stars in the third season, both are replaced with different actors.

-Tracy Scoggins' (Cat Grant) contract ran out at the end of the first season, and she chose not to come back. They were going to explain her departure by having Cat run off with her ex-husband in the season finale, but Scoggins' contract technically ran out with Fly Hard for some reason. Fly Hard is her final episode, though I believe she is seen in a photograph in either Barbarians at the Planet or House of Luthor. No explanation is given and no mention of her is made again.

-No official reason has ever really been given for the change from Landes to Whalen. Some people say it was because they wanted to "hip up" the character, other say it was because he and Dean Cain looked too much alike. (I personally still refer to Landes as "the real Jimmy" and Whalen as "the fake Jimmy"). :)

-Nigel first appears in Neverending Battle. There is no definitive point where he officially becomes Lex's right hand man, it sort of happens gradually, though he plays a very prominant role in The Foundling and in the two-part season finale.

DisneyBoy

07-18-2003, 04:30 PM

Thanks so much for the info, Russkafin. :) Neat little tidbits like that make the viewing experience much more enjoyable. And Nightwing, I really wish my parents could meet you, just so that they'd rethink their stance on this....especially after what happened this morning...

:(

...Brace yourselves....

I went down to the tv five minutes before the start of "The Green, Green Glow of Home"...only to find my mother half-asleep on the couch. Oy. She mumbled that she didn't want me to use the tv, but I told her I could pop a tape in, start recording and then shut off the screen, so she could sleep in peace, and I could get to see my program.

:rolleyes:

We've probably been in this situation a million times before, but...and I don't know quite why...I thought it might go differently this time. She sat up, fully awake and completely furious to order me not to touch the television or VCR. I had already found the right channel, so I pressed record and turned off the tv, turning to her. I'm honestly fed up with their "rule": DisneyBoy isn't allowed to record - ever! Yes, I was defiant, I suppose, but I didn't get upset, thankfully. She, on the other hand, raged towards me and the set, unplugged everything from the nearest outlet (the lamp, Tv, Satellite Box, VCR and phone) and started yelling that I wasn't allowed to videotape anything, and that she'd cancel the satellite, etc...

:shrug:

...and then my barely-awake father came down to hear what the noise was all about. My mother told him that I had tried to tape, and he repeated it to me (along with some other words) and left for his morning cup of coffee.

So there I sat, frustrated that even though I have a job, bought my own cassette and knew I wasn't "obsessed" with anything, my parents wouldn't let me record anything on the VCR.

How completely absurd.

I realize they have their reasons, just as I have mine, but the worst part is that this has been going on for years. What do I have to do - buy my own TV, VCR and Satellite dish in order to tape this show? Or Anything for that matter? I love me parents, but they treat me like like an ex-mental patient, incapable of discerning the "real-world" from Disney World.

Maybe I should have posted this in the Cafe....and you can go there to read my bizarre recounting of the events surrounding my first job...but for the moment being, I remain utterly and overwhelmingly frustrated.

Thank goodness for my sister's tv, or I wouldn't be able to see the show at all. Then again...after what's happened, they may try to block the channel...

:mad:

Yes. I'm mad. And tired. And ....arggggg...... :shrug:

Russkafin

07-19-2003, 01:33 AM

Wow. I'm a little scared of your mom right now, DB.

Do any of your friends get the same Satellite channels? Maybe you could pay off a buddy to tape the shows for you in secret.

Flash forward to DB and a shadowy figure meeting on a street corner.

"You got the money?"

"Yeah, I got the money, you got the stuff?"

Anyways, why was I posting again? Oh yeah... :D

There is a really great episode guide for the whole series at http://www.kryptonsite.com/loisclark/ ...Yes, our same friends at Kryptonsite that give us all the dirt on Smallville nowadays! It started out as a Lois & Clark fanclub, don't ya know!

Patrick Bateman

07-19-2003, 02:26 AM

Dude, move out. A.S.A.P. :rolleyes:

DisneyBoy

07-21-2003, 02:44 PM

Actually, it's funny you mention me stalking through the streets, Russkafin...

When I went out to buy the blank cassettes to start taping, I had to wear a large jacket, unwrap the tapes and do my best to load up my pockets inconspicuously. :rolleyes: Oy!

My mom slept downstairs again today, so no luck taping "Phermone, My Darling" or "Witness" (Doesn't there always seem to be a Superman story called that?) I remembered the details of "Phermone" pretty well, but it was still a great watch. Though you couldn't tell it from her old Radio Shack commercials, Terry's certainly a convincing actress. She manages to pull off the "Clark bothers me, but he's cute and I care about him, and we work well together" scenes just as easily as the "Clark's a major hottie and I want him" scenes in today's ep. Too bad she's been pretty much out of work since then.

And does anyone else LOVE Tony Jay? He's the coolest guy in the world! His voice, his presence...man, I wonder if John Shea had to bump up his performance a notch or two just to keep up!

Oh...I was wondering, does Shea return to play "Bald Luthor" in the second season episode "Pheonix", as well as the third season "Death of Luthor" storyline, that results in an amnesiac Lois? Hope so...

After seeing Shea's full head of hair, I could never figure out why it was that Luthor was bald in the comics. Oh, and here's another head scratcher...when and why did it change from "LuthER" to "LuthOR"???

Tomorrow - Honeymoon in Metropolis and All Shook Up!

Steven C

07-21-2003, 04:19 PM

I dont mean to play psycho analyst on u, but now you got me curious.

How old are u? You said you just got a job so Im gonna assume youre 16 - 18. The whole "cant use the VCR" thing is ridiculous. It seems like your Mom is guarding the TV. What are the reasons they say u cant watch TV? Were you obsessed w/ TV before, and now theyre cutting u off? and whats up w/ your "real world" vs "disney world" comment? Did your parents have issues w/ you in "make believe land" when you were younger?

Dont mean to pry, but this is very intresting.

Oh and buy your own TV and splice your sis's cable.

DisneyBoy

07-21-2003, 04:36 PM

Hey, don't worry, you're not prying!

While I'd prefer not to mention my exact age, let's say I'm over 18, and have had a heck of a time trying to hold onto the fantasy of Disney films when my family doesn't always see it as an endearing trait.

As a youngster, I was really into cartoon shows (Darkwing Duck was a big love of mine, although She-Ra was probably my first). I didn't insist we tape every episode or anything like that, but I suppose at some point my parents worried that I would become a recluse. I never had too many friends over, despite being a nice kid, so they did their best to keep me from falling into the entertainment center-trap. To this day, the most high-tech gaming system in our house is my original, grey GameBoy.

When I discovered the series Ally McBeal, however, I knew I wanted to have every episode to treasure and re-watch at my liesure.

That's about the time my parents dug their heels in and said "This is going to stop". In the years that followed, we had many an argument over my VCR usage (however "minimal" or "excessive"), and I found myself turning to my close friends to get Ally on tape, among other things. It became too much to keep up with after a while. When Ally ended, so did my taping frenzy, but their views clearly haven't changed. They demand so little of me that I can't help but want to respect their wishes on this matter. But still, I come online, look at the fan boys and girls around and feel like screaming "I'M NOT A FREAK!" Maybe they'll grow out of it, maybe I will. I guess they just want me to remember that Disney's ideals, no matter how appealing, can't take precidance over real-life concerns. It's about maturity and growing up...and still wanting to feel chills when seeing She-Ra's transformation sequence, or Lois and Clark's first kiss.

Live and learn, I suppose. Though, I doubt I'll be able to "splice" anything without frying myself. My current plan involves trying to set the VCR's timer so it can record without my being there, but in order for that to work I need to find my VCR's non-existant, three-digit manufacturer's number/code.

:rolleyes:

*Impatiently awaits DVD Season Sets for L+C, DD, S-R and everything else he loves*

Steven C

07-21-2003, 04:54 PM

You sound like a smart guy, after reading your post all I can say to you is good luck w/ them. Are you in college? if so maybe you should move into the dorms.

My lil bro was like you before he got into college. He didnt have many friends, never did any extra circular activities, always was a "mamas boy". His life was video games, he was anti-social, social inept, you name it.

So my parents made him live in the dorms his first yr of college, he started making friends, going out, became more socialable, etc.

Anyways good luck man.

Master Moron

07-21-2003, 09:32 PM

I remember this show vaguely. Did they ever use any classic Superman villains besides Lex Luthor? Were Bizarro, Solomon Grundy, Brainiac, or Dark Seid ever in the show?

M'ral

07-21-2003, 09:37 PM

I remember this show vaguely. Did they ever use any classic Superman villains besides Lex Luthor? Were Bizarro, Solomon Grundy, Brainiac, or Dark Seid ever in the show?

I don't recall any of the ones you mentioned making an appearance. Usually they made up their own villains (Tempus, Lord Nor, etc) or took villains from Superman's Rogues Gallery and rewrote them (Toyman, Metallo, and Mxyzptlk all appeared, but in somewhat different forms).

EDIT

On a side note, I ran out of tape on the second episode this morning (Witness, was it?). Grrrrrrr! :mad:

JusticeLeagueLegion

07-21-2003, 09:38 PM

Dude, record them all...I did it and I don't regret it...I taped every episode of Lois & Clark, Batman: TAS, Superman: TAS and whatever...and I'm starting to tape episodes of Supes and Bats TAS again so that I can get them in better quality...you need the whole show, one of these days TNT is gonna completly throw the show away and it's never gonna be on television again. That's what happened with Superboy.

DisneyBoy

07-23-2003, 07:39 PM

JusticeLeagueLegion

07-23-2003, 09:52 PM

Tomorrow morning is the episode "Foundling". Here's hoping I can manage to get it on tape....

And sadly, I'm continuing my studies in town, so no dorms for me!
And JLL, I'd love to get the whole thing on tape, but with my parents' views in the way, and WB considering a release of some sort, I don't have much choice in the matter. All I can do is sit and wait...

Hmmm...it says David Warner plays Jor-El. Is he the same dude who briefly appeared in the "Big Girls Don't Fly" Season Three finale with news of Kal's engagement to Zara? The episode synopsis says there are "five messages" to be transmitted to Clark. Does he hear all five in "Foundling" or only four, with the forth one appearing in the aformentionned episode?

I guess we'll find out tomorrow. Oh, and now that I've had a refresher in Lois and Clark, I can honestly say that Smallville is just as good, but not better.

Nope, David Warner is the dude that plays Chancelor Gorkon on "Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country," and he also guest starred on "Star Trek: The Next Generation." He did the voice of Ra's Al Ghul on "Batman: The Animated Series" and in "The Demon Reborn" episode of Superman: The Animated Series." He also did the voice of Ra's in the "Batman Beyond" episode called "Out Of The Past." As for the question about the five messages...I won't spoil it for you. "Foundling" is an awesome episode, you have to tape it. And maybe there's a way you can settle something with you parents...you can tell them, "Well you buy movies on video don't you? Why not just throw them away after watching them the first time...why would you want to watch them twice?" If your parents point out that "Movies are better than TV Shows...or blaw blaw blaw," then you can mention this: "Just because you feel that way, doesn't mean that movies are better than TV Shows to me. I enjoy TV Shows just as much or more or almost as much as I do movies, so why wouldn't I want to watch the episodes twice or more. Doesn't my opinion and my desires matter here as well." They might see your point if you pointed that out to them. I'm not trying to get you in trouble with your parents, but they are obviously preventing you from taping the shows you love...and that's just terrible...if my parents would have been like that, I'd have been completly enraged. (Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that your parents are evil, I'm sure they aren't, I'm just saying that they probably don't see your perspective and if they did they'd probably understand) Another thing, I bet a million bucks that every celebrity has every episode of every show they ever was on taped on video. In my opinion, if you have a favorite show, you tape it. That's just my rule. I even have taped shows I hate, like "Birds Of Prey" for example. Explain that to your parents...and if that doesn't work...it sucks to be you. :(

DisneyBoy

07-24-2003, 05:48 PM

M'ral

07-24-2003, 05:55 PM

It especially sucks to be me when I SLEEP THROUGH THE EPISODE!!!

ARRGGG!!

I actually slept through the whole thing. Not that it would have changed the fact that my mother was sleeping downstairs...again...I'm beginning to think she's doing it to spite me. Anyways, it looks like I'll just have to get up early tomorrow if I wanna see my Lois and Clark.

...that, or just get to bed earlier so that I won't sleep in so much.

Ooh, that's a shame, Foundling was on this morning. It was awesome...even though it was extremely weird to see David Warner playing Jor-El. When I hear his voice, I still think Ra's.

DisneyBoy

07-25-2003, 06:10 PM

I caught part of "Vatman" and all of "Fly Hard" today. Great, great episodes. It was interesting to see the Bizarro character be reinterpreted as an awkward boy clone, especially since Dean did such an awesome job portraying him. I really felt emabarassed for the guy when he didn't quite know what to do around Lois, save the cliche yawn-and-clutch act :p

Fly Hard was fun, mainly because of the strength of the cast. Jack's earring was annoying (too dangly), but seeing Chakote take on the Superman cast was great! I'm really starting to think of this guy as the real Jimmy, too now. I'm stunned at how much his character was watered-down in later years. And that Kat Grant - what a hoot! Does anyone know why she didn't reknew her contract going into season two? The Black and white sequences were enjoyable thanks to the great cast, and the clever foreshadowing. Lois tricks Clark and ends up with Lex in the flashback (well...sorta), and in real life, Superman saves Lois, though she leaves with Lex, and on monday morning, Lois will turn her back against Clark and Superman and try to MARRY Lex!

You'd better believe that I'll do all I can to tape "Barbarians at the Planet" and "House of Luthor", so help me :evil:

Wish me luck!

Russkafin

07-25-2003, 10:48 PM

Oh...I was wondering, does Shea return to play "Bald Luthor" in the second season episode "Pheonix", as well as the third season "Death of Luthor" storyline, that results in an amnesiac Lois? Hope so...

After seeing Shea's full head of hair, I could never figure out why it was that Luthor was bald in the comics. Oh, and here's another head scratcher...when and why did it change from "LuthER" to "LuthOR"???

Yes, John Shea reprises his role as Luthor in Phoenix (sans hair) in the second season, and in Double Jeapordy and Seconds in the third season. He also provides the voice of Luthor on a tape that's found in the fourth season episode Shadow of a Doubt.

And, I am almost 100% positive that it's actually always been officially spelled "Luthor," it's just occasionally misspelled from time to time.

Also, The Foundling was the only episode in which David Warner played Jor-El. Future episodes to include Krypton flashbacks featured different actors. And Jor-El does not appear in the New Krypton arc where Kal-El learns that he is engaged to Zara.

Dude, they totally need to put this show out on DVD... where's the petition at? :)

Russkafin

07-25-2003, 11:03 PM

I'm really starting to think of this guy as the real Jimmy, too now. I'm stunned at how much his character was watered-down in later years.

One of my favorite Jimmy moments is when he's crawling through the air ducts in Fly Hard, and he does the impression of Perry.

"'Uh, uh, Jimmy? Do you wanna come into the office on Saturday night and help me with my spring cleaning?' Gee, can I Chief??" Landes was a freaking riot! Whalen was just so boring and annoying compared to him.

DisneyBoy

07-28-2003, 07:08 PM

I LOVED that scene! What a guy. Just saw Landes last night in Final Destination 2. Sucks that his career hasn't improved any...

And I'm rather confused that you said Jor-El isn't seen in the whole New Krypton arc, since those four episodes are part of the few I have on tape, and I'm sure he's there (or someone is!) When Clark brings his ship to Zara (and Ching, inside their globe-ship with Lois), both he and his "bride" activate a message by placing their hands alongside one another, thus causing a holographic message to appear:

"My son...this is your destiny"

I'm pretty sure the dude was Jor-El, but I could be wrong. Please reassure me - am I going nuts?

Anyhoo, I just went over (snuck over, really) to my relative's place this morning to see and tape "Barbarians at the Planet" and "The House of Luthor", and loved them both...only to later discover that the stupid (words I can't say) VCR taped FUZZ!

ARRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

(Man, am I getting tired of screaming over this whole mess or what!)

So, while I don't have the episode to rewatch at my leisure, I did mentally register 90% of it. Where the heck are the DVD Season Sets!?!?! I never realized just how cohesive this series started out being! While Luthor's true feelings towards Lois, or his intentions behind their engagement were never clear, this entire season build up so wonderfully, it makes me wonder exactly why later seasons didn't follow suit, instead using guest-stars and time-travel to make up for intelligent Superman-based adventures.

"Barbarians" kind of took me by surprise, being almost exclusively a character-study episode, almost entirely devoid of "action" but not of purpose. I'm amazed at how well Lois and Clark's relationship is portrayed here. They're rather real people, in a real world, with real decisions to make. Terry Hatcher's Lois does tend to pull towards the over-theatrical from moment to moment, but thankfully Dean Cain and the rest of the cast do a wonderful job of grounding the series. I know I missed "Foundling", but why is it that Jack never recongized Luthor if he was the one who bought the Kryptonite he stole?

It was also really interesting to see the characters so far out of their element, and yet still so interesting. Lois at LuthorNews was a treat, as was Perry's homecooked firestarter. While this may seem silly, kudos to the costume department for giving Dean some black to wear during his "I love you Lois - snap out of it" scenes. There was an intensity in his eyes that wasn't subdued by his suit-color, thankfully. And that last scene, with Superman flying to the North Pole - brilliant! Too bad the blue screen effects stank, but hey - the 90s!

On to part two, I was extremely pleased with the wedding and overall resolution, although I knew that Luthor's death wouldn't quite work. To go from planning a lifelong future to throwing himself off his building didn't really jive with me. Too much finality, far too soon. And when he jumped, Lois didn't really seem to care much (Terry's facial expressions were all off). Once again, the blue screen did little to remove the cheesiness from those final moments of Luthor's rein, but hey, at least the kryptonite cage looked good. Shea's performance really dominated this episode, but I felt like there was no forward movement with his character. Those moments with Superman at his mercy should have been sweet, but instead they come off largely like most of their other encounters - all talk. I liked the "SuperLuthor" lead-in, but something just seemed lacking. Maybe it's because I'm comparing him too much to his later, animated counterpart, who maintained more of an air of dignity...that is, until his degeneration in Justice League. There's usually nothing more fun than seeing a villain as he or she gets what they want...but here, it was more fun to see everyone else.

Does anyone know why it is Luthor was killed off so prematurely? I can understand why they would do it if they had something really worthwhile planned for Season Two, but it seems he's just going to get resusitated, and then locked up.

So there you have it - Season One. And all I got to show for it is six episodes.

What are your recommendations for Season Two?

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1) Madame Ex (September 18, 1994)
After a doctor shows he has managed to use plastic surgery to create a double of Lois, the former Mrs. Lex Luthor kills him. Now known as Dr. Ariana Carlin (Emma Samms), she has been hired as staff psychiatrist at the Daily Planet where she also writes articles. Ariana plots to turn public opinion against Superman by putting hidden anti-Superman messages in her writing, while using the phony Lois in incidents to make Lois question her sanity. Ultimately, Carlin ends up kidnapping Lois and shooting Superman with a kryptonite bullet after Lois and Clark have deduced her former identity. Also we learn Lex Luthor's body is being cared for by Dr. Gretchen Kelley (Denise Crosby) who is continuing efforts to revive him.

2) Wall of Sound (September 25, 1994)
After somebody uses a sonic weapon to knock out people at a bank, Lois and Clark investigate. With the help of Lois going undercover, they eventually track the villain as being a rock musician Lenny Stoke using stolen technology. Stoke even manages to create a "wall of sound" force field that temporarily stops Superman. Also happening, Lois is jealous when only Clark is nominated for the Kerth journalism award.

3) The Source (October 2, 1994)
Lois is suspended, while trying to protect a source, Stuart Hofferman (Peter Scolari) on a newspaper story about faulty switches. After another accident causes a subway train to lose control and is saved by Superman, Lois is vindicated.

4) The Prankster (October 9, 1994)
Kyle Griffin (Bronson Pinchot), a former school friend of Lois stalks her and carries out robberies using gag items as a motif becoming known as the Prankster, while planning to set off a device capable of destroying a building.

5) Church of Metropolis (October 23, 1994)
Bill Church (Peter Boyle), publically a successful discount store chain owner, leads the criminal group Intergang in an attempt to control the south side of Metropolis. While investigating, Lois and Clark meet Mayson Drake (Farrah Forke), a district attorney who becomes attracted to Clark but dislikes Superman.

6) Operation Blackout (October 30, 1994)
After a new military weapon loses control at a test, Lois and Clark investigate and track down a former college friend of Lois and her fiancee, a supposedly dead computer programmer who is working with a colonel to use a satellite weapon (the Hawkeye) to take over a nearby base.

7) That Old Gang of Mine (November 13, 1994)
Prof. Emil Hamilton (John Pleshette) uses his DNA research to revive former gangsters like Bonnie and Clyde and Al Capone (William Devane), hoping they'll be reformed. But the gangsters instead start a new crime wave in Metropolis, that leaves Clark briefly an apparent casualty, after he is shot saving Lois.

8) A Bolt From The Blue (November 20, 1994)
While preventing William Waldecker (Leslie Jordan) from killing himself, Superman is struck by lightning that transfers some of his powers to Waldecker. Waldecker adopts the identity of Resplendent Man who shamelessly charges for his help, trying to raise money to help his mentally ill sister Wandamae (Cindy Williams). Meanwhile, Dr. Kelley (from Madame Ex) has observed the lightning accident and ends up trying to get Luthor's body and herself infused with superpowers in her hidden lab.

9) Season's Greedings (December 4, 1994)
Written by Dean Cain
Winslow Schott (Sherman Helmsley) and friend Ms. Duffy (Isabel Sanford) plot to ruin Metropolis' Christmas, after being fired from Metropolis Toys. Schott markets an Atomic Space Rat doll that is impregnated with a drug that makes adults behave like kids, and everybody greedy. After being temporarily affected by the chemical, Lois and Clark track down Schott. Superman stops him from dumping the chemical into the water supply. Afterwards, Clark gives Lois a stellar gift.

10) Metallo (January 1, 1995)
A human cyborg "created" by former Lex Lab scientist Emmet Vale and powered by uranium collapses during a robbery. After Johnny Corbin (Scott Valentine) is wounded during a robbery, Vale and his brother Rollie get Corbin's body and create a new cyborg with kryptonite as a power supply: Metallo. Lois, Jimmy, and Lucy Lane (Lois' sister and girlfriend of Corbin) have to save Clark, when the Vales kidnap him to attract Superman's attention.

11) Chi of Steel (January 8, 1995)
When Perry's life savings are stolen, Lois and Clark investigate a series of robberies in the asian section of Metropolis, which turn out to be done by the grand-daughter of a martial arts master working against a businessman using "slave" labor.

12) The Eyes Have It (January 22, 1995)
Dr. Harold Light plots to find a remarkable light device which can transmit knowledge that its dying inventor managed to get Lois to unknowingly leave at the Daily Planet. Part of Light's plan has Superman being blinded by a light beam, until Lois can restore his sight by again shooting an ultraviolet beam at his eyes. Also, while Clark is blinded and thus missing, Mayson Drake is left waiting in a cabin, after she hoped for a date with him.

13) The Phoenix (February 12, 1995)
Dr. Kelley has finally managed to revive a now bald Lex Luthor. Luthor plans to stop Intergang's growing hold over Metropolis and use the kryptonite still held by Rolie Vale (from Metallo) to get Superman. Meanwhile, although wanting to go to a concert, Lois and Clark instead spend a date in a hotel on assignment. Later, Lois gets kidnapped and spurns Luthor. Finally, Dr. Kelley and Rollie Vale are dead and Luthor after being shot by duplicitous Nigel (now an Intergang agent) ends up recovering in jail.

14) Top Copy (February 19, 1995)
Diana Stride (Raquel Welch) publicly is a reporter on the tv show Top Copy, but is secretly an assasin working for Intergang. When Superman foils one of her assasinations, she obtains a sample of kryptonite and uses it in a paste to poison Superman with a kryptonite kiss. Later she films Clark changing to Superman and broadcasts the revelation on her tv show. After using nuclear power radiation to cure his kryptonite poisoning, Superman catches Diana. Then at a nighttime press conference, Clark and Superman are seen together with the help of a laser hologram thanks to Ma Kent.

15) The Return of the Prankster (February 26, 1995)
The Prankster, Kyle Griffin, returns to taunt Lois and use a camera with a flash attachment that can paralyse people. Griffin steals a power chip and plans to use his device to kidnap the United States' President when he visits Metropolis, but with the help of contact lenses that block the flash, supplied by Prof. Hamilton Superman stops the Prankster and Lois has a chance to publically embarass Griffin.

16) Lucky Leon (March 12, 1995)
Jimmy is suspected of murder after dropping off a gadget rigged by technowhiz Lucky Leon. Leon then schemes to trick Superman into delivering a nuclear warhead. Meanwhile, Lois and Clark have a successful dinner date, and Clark has lunch with Mayson Drake. At the conclusion, a kiss between Lois and Clark is interrupted when Clark tries to save Drake from a bomb rigged to blow in her car. But Drake is fatally wounded and dies after Clark shows to her that he is Superman.

17) Resurrection (March 19, 1995)
Mayson Drake died after saying to Clark "resurrection" and so Lois and Clark begin investigating what the phrase means. They uncover a pill being used to by prisoners to feign death to get out of prison, and a plot to poison Metropolis with a virus. Also joining the investigation is cocky DEA agent Dan Scardino who is attracted to Lois.

18) Tempus Fugitive (March 26, 1995)
When H.G. Wells (Terry Kiser) arrives in Metropolis using his time machine, he has bought along Tempus from the utopian future. Tempus finds the more violent present more stimulating and plots to kill Superman in 1966 before Ma and Pa Kent have found him. Along the way, Lois and Clark also get to Smallville in 1866, and Tempus reveals to Lois with contempt that Clark Kent is Superman. Duh! With Tempus left jailed in the past, when returning to the present Lois and Clark forget about their adventure in time.

19) Target: Jimmy Olsen! (April 2, 1995)
Lois and Clark uncover a diabolical plot that years ago turned children, including Jimmy, into unknowing assasins.

20) Individual Responsibility (April 16, 1995)
Bill Church Jr. (Bruce Campbell) wants to control the Daily Planet, so he kidnaps Perry, hoping Perry will decide to work with Intergang. Perry has to try and escape by himself, because repeated exposure to red kryptonite is making Superman apathetic. Trying to understand his apathy drives Superman to see a psychiatrist.

21) Whine, Whine, Whine (May 14, 1995)
Aspiring musician Calvin Dreg sues Superman after Superman slightly injures Dreg while saving his life. Meanwhile Dan Scardino is involved with a plot to sell a drug to an Intergang operative. The Intergang operative plants a bomb to kill Scardino and Lois at Superman's trial, but Superman spots the bomb. Meanwhile, Lois' interest in Scardino and Dreg's suit makes Clark consider leaving town. But eventually, Lois decides she will dump Scardino for misleading her and finds Clark.

22) And the Answer Is... (May 21, 1995)
Jason Maizik (Maurice Godin) is a son of a jeweller who became wealthy because he had a diary written by Tempus (see Tempus Fugitive) in 1866 revealing the future, including who is Superman. Maisik kidnaps Clark's parents and blackmails Clark into a jewel theft and then orders him to kill Lois. Lois lets Superman freeze her to fool Maisik, willing to risk her life for Clark. Clark had earlier almost told Lois he was Superman, and at the end after saving his parents and Lois, Clark proposes to Lois at night in the rain, without first revealing he is Superman.

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Pheonix is a must-have, to be sure, but I'm wondering just how many episodes feature a glimpse of Luthor's corpse. If I recall correctly, Season Two seemed to spread those cameos out over several episodes, often just to remind us that Luthor would return.

And tomorrow morning - Justin Whalin!

Steven C

07-28-2003, 07:54 PM

Why does your mom sleep on the couch all the time for? And youre over 18 y/o man, do what u want. Dont let your mom push u around. Tape L&C.

Why dont u set your VCR at night before u go to bed?

Russkafin

07-28-2003, 09:48 PM

And I'm rather confused that you said Jor-El isn't seen in the whole New Krypton arc, since those four episodes are part of the few I have on tape, and I'm sure he's there (or someone is!) When Clark brings his ship to Zara (and Ching, inside their globe-ship with Lois), both he and his "bride" activate a message by placing their hands alongside one another, thus causing a holographic message to appear:

"My son...this is your destiny"

I'm pretty sure the dude was Jor-El, but I could be wrong. Please reassure me - am I going nuts?.............

Pheonix is a must-have, to be sure, but I'm wondering just how many episodes feature a glimpse of Luthor's corpse. If I recall correctly, Season Two seemed to spread those cameos out over several episodes, often just to remind us that Luthor would return.

And tomorrow morning - Justin Whalin!

Ahhh! My apologies... you are right, Jor-El does appear as a hologram in the New Krypton arc. You're not going crazy, I was just... gasp... wrong...! ;) (Sorry!)

As for Luthor's corpse showing up, I know it's in "Madame Ex" and "Bolt From The Blue." There might be one or two others, but those are the only ones that come to mind at present.

About why Lex was killed off at the end of season one... I actually clipped and saved an article from TV Guide where they interviewed John Shea, shortly before The Phoenix aired. He said that his contract was only for one season... it's a little vague but he makes it sound like he had the option of going on for another year or killing Lex off. John says, "I naturally thought, 'Lex can't die,' but I wanted to do it if they had a really good story."

So, I'm not sure whose decision it was ultimately to have Lex killed off, but apparently Shea did agree to it.

DisneyBoy

07-28-2003, 10:22 PM

Hmmm...I'd love to hear the actors talk about this stuff. It was strange hearing Lois mention Kat without actually getting to see how she'd have reacted to Lex's engagement proposal. Might have upped her opinion of Lois' feminine wiles!

Oh and Steven...I'd set the VCR my stupid machine requires some kind of access/manufacturers's code that I can't find!

Ahhh! Goodnight!

Steven C

07-29-2003, 01:43 PM

Oh and Steven...I'd set the VCR my stupid machine requires some kind of access/manufacturers's code that I can't find!

Ahhh! Goodnight!

Google is your friend.

Russkafin

07-30-2003, 12:57 AM

An attempt to answer a couple more of your questions, DB...

So, while I don't have the episode to rewatch at my leisure, I did mentally register 90% of it. Where the heck are the DVD Season Sets!?!?! I never realized just how cohesive this series started out being! While Luthor's true feelings towards Lois, or his intentions behind their engagement were never clear, this entire season build up so wonderfully, it makes me wonder exactly why later seasons didn't follow suit, instead using guest-stars and time-travel to make up for intelligent Superman-based adventures.

One main reason that a lot of fans attribute to that is the fact that, for whatever reason, Deborah Joy LeVine did not return for the second season and beyond. DJLV was the head writer and guiding force behind L&C in the first season... her credit read "Developed For Television By Deborah Joy LeVine." Essentially it would be like if Smallville returned next season without Alfred Gough and Miles Millar. Much of the focus and direction would be lost, being as they were the ones who started the darn thing. Why she left, though, I could not tell you.

"Barbarians" kind of took me by surprise, being almost exclusively a character-study episode, almost entirely devoid of "action" but not of purpose. I'm amazed at how well Lois and Clark's relationship is portrayed here. They're rather real people, in a real world, with real decisions to make. Terry Hatcher's Lois does tend to pull towards the over-theatrical from moment to moment, but thankfully Dean Cain and the rest of the cast do a wonderful job of grounding the series. I know I missed "Foundling", but why is it that Jack never recongized Luthor if he was the one who bought the Kryptonite he stole?

Luthor bought the globe from Jack, but Jack never got a clear look at him. In the scene where the purchase is made, it's Nigel who actually speaks to Jack directly, and Luthor remains in the shadows in the background.

The Penguin

07-30-2003, 01:59 AM

I had to wait until I had time, but now seems like a good time DB. :)

Church of Metropolis
I think Peter Boyle and Bruce Campbell do a great job as Bill Church and Bill Church, Jr. and you can't go wrong with Intergang. The introduction of Mayson Drake also makes this one important.

That Old Gang of Mine
L&C's version of Dr. Hamilton appears in this fun one. All those revived gangsters make for an interesting episode and Clark with some "Late Mr. Kent" type problems to work out.

A Bolt From The Blue
Seeing Superman trying to stop the dorky William Waldecker from using his powers for slightly less than good or if the price is right is a rather fun watch. Plus Dr. Kelley (and Lex) show up here.

Season's Greedings
If someone told me I could have only one episode from season 2 I would honestly make it this one. Dean Cain did a great job here and Sherman Helmsley is great as Mr. Schott. More Christmas episodes should be like this one. :cool:

The Phoenix
If I have to tell you why, you don't deserve to know.

Lucky Leon
Lois and Clark's date and Mayson's fate (didn't mean to rhyme :shrug: ) are the main reasons this episode is worth catching.

Tempus Fugitive
I might be loading you up here, but personally I think Tempus is hilarious and as outlandish as H.G. Wells traveling in his time machine is I can't help, but enjoy each time these two crazy characters show up.

Individual Responsibility
Bruce Campbell and red kryptonite. Nuff said.

And the Answer Is...
"Who's asking? Clark, or Superman?"

See you when season three comes up! :)

Russkafin

07-31-2003, 12:15 AM

All solid picks, Penguin! If I had to add one, I'd include "Metallo" on the list, for three reasons. One, it's one of the few instances where a villain from the comics is translated to the TV series. Two, one character and some minor plot points from this episode do resurface in "The Phoenix". And three, it's the only episode apart from the early first season that we get to see Lois's sister, Lucy! (Different actress, but, oh well, beggars can't be choosers!)

Nightwing

07-31-2003, 03:13 PM

Wowsers. DB, I didn't know your situation was that severe. It's really strange, frustrating, and unnecessary, but unfortunately I see that a lot. I even know of a couple cases that are even stronger than yours, unfortunately.

That's why I love South Park, quite frankly. :p The main characters AREN'T angsty teen agers, but instead 8 year old boys so we can (1) see the world from their perspective and (2) watch as today's parents drive them crazy from their oddball methods.

I gotta keep up with you guys and Lois & Clark. In all my Trigun organizing I haven't had much time for anything else as far as TV stuff, plus there's regular life stuff keeping me busy too.

I always thought Luthor was never misspelled, just mispronounced in SupermanTAS. I just figured they pronounced it different. lol, SupermanTAS was awesome but once in a while I'd always poke fun at it by saying "LuTHOR!" LuTHOR the Barbarian!!!

I'm not surprised we didn't see that many Superman villains in the show like Brainiac or Darkseid, because I think this show was more adult oriented, concentrating more on the characters and their relationships. See, when this is done right, excluding characters from a particular mythos is excusable. So, Lois & Clark right, new MTV Spiderman wrong. :p

Keep your chin up, Disney dude, you show incredible strength and intelligence by putting up with what you have already without lashing out. That above anything else is extremely impressive, you have no idea.

DisneyBoy

07-31-2003, 05:22 PM

WOW. Thanks for all the info, Russkafin, and Nightwing you're making me blush here :p Parents can be crazy sometimes, but they do things because they love us....and because they're crazy :D

I caught my first season two ep today "Church Of Metropolis", but I came in a little late so I missed on the Church Jr. thing you mentionned. Was he the guy that Church torched at the end, via handheld controller? Anyway, I'm not so hot about Mayson Drake. I think the casting director should have picked someone who didn't look so much like Ms. Gangsta from "I Have a Crush on You". And what's with Clark not wearing a shirt? We all know he can see who is at the door :cool: Sly, sly kryptonian :D

So this is Season Two. I miss Lex...or should I say Deborah? Whalin's annoying and searching for the character, and Kat's never around...the only thing that's stayed the same is Lois hair! I'm worried that "Pheonix" may come off campy (reassure me here!) but I have to say that's the episode I'm looking forward to the most.

Russ, (can I call you Russ?) someone should seriously contact you prior to making a docu on the series...

...you know, for those upcoming DVD sets...
*hint-hint WB*

Russkafin

07-31-2003, 11:53 PM

Russ, (can I call you Russ?) someone should seriously contact you prior to making a docu on the series...

LoL! Yes you may, and I wish they would! :p

DisneyBoy

08-01-2003, 05:17 PM

Well, Lex's "Ex" certainly looked like a certain lame lieutenant from the first seasons of Star Trek: TNG, and came off about half as entertaining. Was that her - Tasha Yaurg, or whatever they called her on ST?

It was really funny/weird seeing the actor who played Resplendant Man, since I was first introduced to him when he played a Genetic Scientist/Reverand (no joke!) on Ally. He's a tad bit annoying, and unfortunately, the plot of " A Bolt from the Blue" tended to favor him rather than the significantly more meaty "Lex with superpowers" sub-plot. Couldn't the writers tell that the viewers cared more about Lex than RM and Madamme Ex put together? I'm sure this was much more annoying for those who watched the show when it was first airing, and had to wait month after month for something interesting to happen with Mr. Luthor. The whole dead body thing came off as campy than sinister, which is unfortunate considering how much time and effort was put into making Lex a credible threat in Season One. At least Ms. Cox got a mention.

Hey - where did she come from anyway? Did she just suddenly become Luthor's right hand in "Barbarians", or did she have a cameo I missed in an earlier episode?

"This Gang of Mine" (which aired first today - I'm in a backwards kinda mood) was generally silly, accept for the "Death of CK" subplot, which surprised me, despite your warnings, Pengy. I always liked how no matter how "off" the villains or plots were, the writers always kept things rather sweet between Lois and Clark. There's never a dull moment between those two, and Terry and Dean certainly keep my interest.

I'm a looking forward to seeing Lex and Nigel...and that Mme. Ex biting the dust. I really need someone to warn me if Pheonix is campy, though...I don't want to walk into this thing expecting too much...

And here's something that's been on my mind for a while...for those of you who watched the show when it first aired, how big of a deal was it? Was it the Smallville of it's time, or simply a mildly popular ABC series? At what point did you begin/stop watching? What's your best memory of the series?

While I enjoy seeing it now very much, I can't help but wonder what it must have been like...back in the day...

Ciao!

JusticeLeagueLegion

08-01-2003, 08:49 PM

Well, Lex's "Ex" certainly looked like a certain lame lieutenant from the first seasons of Star Trek: TNG, and came off about half as entertaining. Was that her - Tasha Yaurg, or whatever they called her on ST?

Her name is Tasha Yar, and she was a totally awesome character. She got killed off in the first season, which was an awesome episode with the slimy nemesis known as Armus. She returns later, (Though it's not actually as her, except in flashback and alternate reality episodes, but mostly she plays her daughter Sela.) I found her to be totally entertaining...you should see the episode "The Naked Now." There's a good scene with her and...ahem...Data. In fact I thought she was more interesting than Beverly. Sometimes anyway.

M'ral

08-01-2003, 09:00 PM

Her name is Tasha Yar, and she was a totally awesome character. She got killed off in the first season, which was an awesome episode with the slimy nemesis known as Armus. She returns later, (Though it's not actually as her, except in flashback and alternate reality episodes, but mostly she plays her daughter Sela.) I found her to be totally entertaining...you should see the episode "The Naked Now." There's a good scene with her and...ahem...Data. In fact I thought she was more interesting than Beverly. Sometimes anyway.

Yes, I liked Tasha too...she had a lot of potential, and it's a shame Denise Crosby didn't give herself a chance to explore her character. To her credit, her death turned Skin of Evil, an otherwise mediocre episode, into a tear-jerking, character-exploring must-see. But her departure was probably for the best, as it allowed the other characters, especially Worf, to develop and grow.

*Ahem* Back on topic...

As long as we're identifying L&C guest stars, I noticed one I recognized when I was watching Church of Metropolis the other day: Intergang lawyer Martin Snell. I could swear he played Intergang leader Bruno Manheim on Superman's animated series, The New Superman Adventures. Can anyone confirm this?

The Penguin

08-02-2003, 01:26 PM

As long as we're identifying L&C guest stars, I noticed one I recognized when I was watching Church of Metropolis the other day: Intergang lawyer Martin Snell. I could swear he played Intergang leader Bruno Manheim on Superman's animated series, The New Superman Adventures. Can anyone confirm this?I looked it up on IMDb because I was curious and Bruce Weitz was in the voice of Bruco in S:TAS and Martin Snell in L&C. He was also the voice of Lock-Up in B:TAS. ;)

M'ral

08-02-2003, 09:49 PM

I looked it up on IMDb because I was curious and Bruce Weitz was in the voice of Bruco in S:TAS and Martin Snell in L&C. He was also the voice of Lock-Up in B:TAS. ;)

Oh yeah! I forgot about Lock-Up! Thanks, Penguin! :)

Russkafin

08-03-2003, 01:47 AM

At least Ms. Cox got a mention.

Hey - where did she come from anyway? Did she just suddenly become Luthor's right hand in "Barbarians", or did she have a cameo I missed in an earlier episode?

I'm a looking forward to seeing Lex and Nigel...and that Mme. Ex biting the dust. I really need someone to warn me if Pheonix is campy, though...I don't want to walk into this thing expecting too much...

And here's something that's been on my mind for a while...for those of you who watched the show when it first aired, how big of a deal was it? Was it the Smallville of it's time, or simply a mildly popular ABC series? At what point did you begin/stop watching? What's your best memory of the series?

While I enjoy seeing it now very much, I can't help but wonder what it must have been like...back in the day...

Mrs. Cox was only in Barbarians and House of Luthor... guess it took awhile for Lex to find a good "personal assistant." :)

And put your fears to rest, DB, The Phoenix is not a camp fest, it's one of the more solid entries of season two. It's so great to see John Shea back as Lex again, any episode that he is in automatically shines!

As for how popular it was... it's kind of hard to judge, the whole internet fan-base and message board thing was really just in it's early days back then. I know I had several friends at school who watched the show, esp. in the first and second seasons, but I don't think it was ever really huge... though the quality of the writing did drop off a lot in the late third season and only got worse during season four, at which point ABC started moving the show around to different time slots, and it slowly died, quite unceremoniously.

optimuslives

08-04-2003, 11:17 AM

according to www.Mortystv.com there is going to be a change in the schedule in September

Schedule Juggle on TBS

[July 31, 2003] The following are the changes that will be made to the TBS schedule in September & October, only the changes are listed.
Weekdays Effective Tuesday, September 2

8:00AM Movie (replaces 2 episodes of Lois & Clark...)
Weekdays Effective Monday, September 8

5:30AM Parent'Hood (not everyday, sometimes CHiPs airs @5-6am) (replaces AF People)
1:30PM The Cosby Show (replaces Family Matters)
Saturday, September 13 & 20 ONLY:

8:00AM Roseanne (replaces Family Matters)
8:30AM Roseanne (replaces Family Matters)
Weekdays, Week of September 22 ONLY:

1:00PM Futurama (replaces The Cosby Show)
2:00PM Family Guy (replaces Futurama)
2:30PM Movie (replaces Family Guy and three episodes of Roseanne)
Saturdays, Effective Saturday, September 27:

8:00AM Parent'Hood (replaces Roseanne)
8:30AM The Cosby Show (replaces Roseanne)
Weekdays, Effective Monday, September 29:

12:30PM Parent'Hood (replaces Saved by the Bell)
1:00PM Cosby (1996-2000 series, replaces The Cosby Show)
2:00PM The Cosby Show (replaces Family Guy)
2:30PM Fresh Prince of Bel-Air (replaces MOVIE)
3:00PM Fresh Prince of Bel-Air (replaces MOVIE continues)
3:30PM Steve Harvey Show (replaces movie cont.)
4:00PM Steve Harvey Show (replaces movie cont.)

Get the eps that you are missing while you can

Anyone have any new info on the proposed box set that was mentioned in a chat awhile back

M'ral

08-04-2003, 11:22 AM

8:00AM Movie (replaces 2 episodes of Lois & Clark...)
Weekdays Effective Monday, September 8

Damn it, Damn it, Damn it!!!! I was counting on the next run to fill some holes!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

DisneyBoy

08-04-2003, 01:29 PM

*glares at new line-up*

Great. Freaking Fabulous!

(sigh) Today I slept through `Season`s Greedings`, figuring I`d get the chance to catch it later. Part of me is still glad that I`m not taping every episode, since I really wouldn`t rewatch them all, and don`t have a warehouse to store the tapes in...just a tiny, tiny bedroom. But on the other hand, I really dislike not being the one to decide what I do and do not tape. My mother had better not be sleeping on the couch this Wednesday - I`m getting Pheonix on tape! (knock on wood)

I still can`t believe that my relatives VCR didn`t get `Barbarians` and `House` on tape!!!

Anyhoo, `Metallo` was rather neat, with the emphasis on Lois and Lucy, and (thankfully) less on Johnny gangsta Corbin. I know that this series was more about romance than action, but why didn`t the writers keep at least one major Superman villain (other than Lex) around for keeps? I`m glad to see that Perry was portrayed as an actual boss on the series, and not just some `friend` who happens to give L+C their pay checks.

Arguably the best part of the episode was seeing Superman pretty much tell Lois to go after Clark, or at least appreciate him more. Seeing as how she nearly put two and two together earlier on, I`m surprised Clark thought Superman saying what he did would be a wise move. Did it seem a little sexist to anyone else that Lois then picked up the phone and obeyed Supes` suggestion? Did it ever seem to you guys and gals that Lois was treated too much like a sex object, rather than a person? I realize how extreme that sounds, since she was easily one of the strongest female characters ever to grace our television sets, but on some level there must be part of us that realizes that seeing her worship Superman and flirt with Clark constantly isn`t exactly normal...is it?

I guess I`m just feeling fueled by all the recent `Lana`s a bad character` and `Chloe is a bad character` debates. How do you feel about how she was written?

That`s all I can think of for today. See ya tomorrow!

Russkafin

08-09-2003, 12:35 AM

DB, where you been, man? I go away for a few days, and this thread falls all the way to page three?? I'm shocked!

So did The Phoenix air yet, or what??

DisneyBoy

08-11-2003, 12:01 PM

Heya Russ!!!

Actually, I was worried I might be boring you guys with all my L+C blabber...thanks for letting me know I wasn't! :)

So yah....THE PHEONIX!!! I GOT IT ON TAPE!!! WOOHOO!!!

My "cover-the-red-light-with-black-tape-and-shut-off-the-tv" plan is finally working, although I've had to be careful about when to actually take the risk and try it. Thankfully, last wednesday (When Pheonix aired), the fates smiled upon my efforts!

The episode began very well - you can never go wrong with the classic ressurection scene - and I was surprised to see Lex lose his hair gradually, rather than all at once. Lois' reaction to his pathetic state really nailed home just how sad he'd become...which is odd, because I've never really sympathized with the guy much. He's always been powerful, but now he's riding around in a wheelchair, fawning after Lois, and then being double-crossed by Nigel (love Tony Jay!).

While my comments in reference to Denise Crosby on Star Trek were clearly uneducated assumptions, I can safely say that she was silly on L+C. It bothers me how sometimes these actors take potentially interesting villains over-the-top with theatrical performances than don't suit them. I know Bill Church Jr. could have come off sounding menacing today (when Perry was kidnapped), but instead he laughed his butt off, and lost all credibility. Same thing with Lex's ex. Too bad, although the character was supposed to be obsessed.

Speaking of characters, what was the deal with Mayson Drake? She was on several episodes...supposedly as Clark's "love interest"...yet he barely went on a date with her, even after she expressed interest dozens of times. There was something really depressing about watching those two on screen together. He never showed interest (I was shocked to hear him say "I think about you a lot" during their lunch together) and then she died. Being one of the few reoccuring characters to die during the course of this series, I thought her death was very well handled, but her "love affair" wasn't. Did we actually expect Clark to go to her cabin? Nope.

Which brings me to Dan Scardino. A bit rough around the edges, to be sure, but with enough charisma and roguish charms to sweep Lois off her feet...and off to his cabin...in fifteen minutes! This love interest is entertaining, believeable, and should have run longer than merely a few appearances in Season Two. I still can't believe that on Wednesday, Clark will propose marriage to Lois! Why weren't these characters allowed to express interest in people other than each other? Did ABC fear that ratings would prevent them from developping other relationships over time, and opted to speed things up with "stunt" proposals and marriages? Whatever the case, I'm a little unsure that it'll work out for the best. While Lois had figured out her love for Clark in "House of Luthor", I think there was enough time to explore other venues before jumping right into the "happy ending". I definately want to know more about the behind-the-scenes details regarding all the DC/ABC botched/rushed wedding plans...but only once we're into Season Three :)

I find myself thinking about the original Jimmy alot now too. How would he have handled this scene? Stuff like that. Whalin's a pushover. And why does he wear the same shirt/sweater now that he wears as "Tez" years down the road in "Big Girl's Don't Fly"? Costume department! Get this guy some style!!!

All complaints aside, the highlight of recent weeks was Lex's ressurection. Shea always brought more to Lex than his animated counterpart's typical stiffness, and while I wish he'd opt to use that whenever it seemed appropriate, I can't fault the guy. He did a great job, and should have been used less sparingly. While I enjoyed Lois and Clark's "unnofficial" first date, that subplot seemed to sidetrack the rest of the episode, and the climax was rushed. Would have been nice to see Lex's threatening mug locked up in jail...but I guess I'm complaining again, aren't I?

So...what do you think both of this Season's final two episodes are worth taping? And what did you initially feel about Clark's proposal to Lois? Too much too fast? It's about time? Did it come as a shock?

Thanks for being here to share this series with me - Y'all rock!

:)

Russkafin

08-13-2003, 01:01 AM

Pretty solid analysis of The Phoenix, DB. It's definitely one of my favorites of season two. It's so cool to see Lex back in action... sadly, though, for just one episode this year... doesnt it make you miss the first season, when he was around all the friggin time??

And yeah, they did seem to jump into Lois and Clark getting engaged pretty quickly... they went from "can we handle dating each other" to "will you marry me" in like an episode. But, granted, it's not like it was smooth sailing from there... even after they get engaged, I think they break up and get together like five times before they tie the knot... and that's to say nothing of the whole frog-eating-clone debacle!

Anyways, I hope I'm not too late to advise you to tape the final two episodes of season two. The finale, obviously, because of the marriage proposal (and an appearance by that crafty Nigel)... but the second-to-last episode of the season, "Whine, Whine, Whine," is actually a pretty fun one... some guy sues Superman for supposedly injuring him when he rescues him. The best part? Watch for cameos by Adam West and Frank Gorshin!

So, how much longer are they going to be airing the show? I saw a few posts back that they are pulling it... do you know what episode they are going to get up to at all? There's actually a few good episodes in season three, but I'll be honest, there's not many... and most of season four is actually downright bad. I'm just interested as to how far they're going to get with the show.

The Penguin

08-13-2003, 01:40 AM

Speaking of characters, what was the deal with Mayson Drake? She was on several episodes...supposedly as Clark's "love interest"...yet he barely went on a date with her, even after she expressed interest dozens of times. There was something really depressing about watching those two on screen together. He never showed interest (I was shocked to hear him say "I think about you a lot" during their lunch together) and then she died. Being one of the few reoccuring characters to die during the course of this series, I thought her death was very well handled, but her "love affair" wasn't. Did we actually expect Clark to go to her cabin? Nope.

Which brings me to Dan Scardino. A bit rough around the edges, to be sure, but with enough charisma and roguish charms to sweep Lois off her feet...and off to his cabin...in fifteen minutes! This love interest is entertaining, believeable, and should have run longer than merely a few appearances in Season Two. I still can't believe that on Wednesday, Clark will propose marriage to Lois! Why weren't these characters allowed to express interest in people other than each other? Did ABC fear that ratings would prevent them from developping other relationships over time, and opted to speed things up with "stunt" proposals and marriages? Whatever the case, I'm a little unsure that it'll work out for the best. While Lois had figured out her love for Clark in "House of Luthor", I think there was enough time to explore other venues before jumping right into the "happy ending". I definately want to know more about the behind-the-scenes details regarding all the DC/ABC botched/rushed wedding plans...but only once we're into Season Three :)It's not that they "weren't allowed" to express interest in other people, it's that the interest isn't really there. Lois and Clark were drawn to each other the first time they met and even though they tried to deny it to themselves and each other the connection was there in the back of their minds, nagging them.

Scardino and Mayson wanted to love Lois and Clark and there may have been a part of Ms. Lane and Mr. Kent that wanted to return that affection, but there was still that voice or passing thought that this wasn't right—that there was only person that would make them feel complete and this police detective and this lawyer weren't it. Remember even as she was about to marry Lex, Lois started thinking about Clark.

The proposal wasn't sudden, deep down both Clark and Lois knew it was going to happen from the first time they met each other.

DisneyBoy

08-13-2003, 08:47 PM

Awww...aren't we just a bunch of sappy romantics :)

What are the best episodes of Season Three? In particular, do you think the third and fourth episodes are worth having? I'd say more, but I'm in a hurry....

*Leaps over tall buildings in a single bound*

DisneyBoy

08-14-2003, 03:47 PM

Well, I decided to not arouse further suspicion and simply sleep in today. I caught the last four minutes of the Irish Cult episode and realized that Lois' hair style had changed. Which episode featured the new hair? Did they even talk about it? And here's another question for those of you who know too much about L+C (you know who you are :) ): When does the Third Season introduction cease to duplicate the second season introduction, and become it's own. I have the first two episodes of the whole new Krypton Saga (which end Season three) and I remember the intro sequence being different from the Second Season one, which is what opened the first two episodes of season three....

:shrug: Um....woah, that sentence was hard to follow. Anyhoo, here's the breakdown for Season Three (I can't believe I'm here already!)

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1) We Have a Lot To Talk About (September 17, 1995)
Continuing from And the Answer is..., Lois responds by revealing she had finally figured out Clark is Superman and will need time to think over getting married to Clark and Superman. Initially, Clark reacts as if Lois is rejecting him, but eventually understands and accepts Lois' response. Meanwhile, when Bill Church decides to reform and starts a civic group (The Church Group), his young new wife Mindy starts plotting with Bill Church Jr. to take over Intergang by framing Church Sr. as a bomber.

2) Ordinary People (September 24, 1995)
Spencer Spencer (David Leisure) needs a new body, and his agents are leaving headless corpses in Metropolis. Lois and Clark's investigation leads them to Smiley's tropical island. On the island, Smiley finds Clark is Superman and using kryptonite traps him, leaving it up to Lois to save Clark.

3) Contact (October 1, 1995)
When Lois starts having flashbacks of being abducted by aliens, Clark wonders if she's okay. But the flashbacks are of a hoax and are being triggered by computer tycoon Bob Fences (Patrick Labyorteaux). Fences plans to have Superman distracted by Lois' blackouts, while two other people have been conditioned to steal parts needed to alter a microwave transmitter. He will use the transmitter as a weapon to blackmail countries. Lois and Clark are helped by Lois' new neighbor Star, who is psychic. Clark decides that Lois is at risk being linked to Superman.

4) When Irish Eyes Are Killing (October 15, 1995)
A former boyfriend of Lois, Patrick Sullivan comes to Metropolis and arranges a series of thefts of artifacts. He meets Lois at a bachelorette auction and starts romancing her, planning to sacrifice her as part of a ceremony where he'll use the artifacts to summon an ancient druidic power. Investigating the thefts as Clark, Superman manages to rescue Lois at the last moment. Romantically, Clark decides he can accept the risk of Lois marrying him despite the dangers their relationship seem to put her in, but now Lois has doubts.

5) Just Say Noah (October 22, 1995)
When Star mentions to Lois that a couple are missing, Lois and Clark uncover a pattern of missing couples, and go undercover for couples therapy at Larry Smiley's retreat. With the channeling efforts of Star, they discover Smiley (Mac Davis) plans to use a device to flood the planet, while saving a few chosen people, including Perry and his wife Alice. Although Smiley deems them rejects, Lois and Clark use their experience at the retreat to reconcile their recent conflicts.

6) Don't Tug On Superman's Cape (November 5, 1995)
A smug wealthy couple (Jonathan Frakes, Genie Francis) plot to add Superman to their private collection by using a criminal (Bad Brains Johnson) to get Lois as bait. Trapped in separate display cases, Lois and Clark use brainpower to escape. Also, Lois has a dream about Clark being James Bond.

7) Ultra Woman (November 12, 1995)
Lucille and Nell Newtrich plan to shoot a red kryptonite beam at Superman to make him apathetic, so they can safely steal money. When they shoot the beam, though, apparently nothing happens. Clark finds, however, his powers have been transfered to Lois. Lois ends up learning about how it is to have superpowers, and reluctantly adopts the guise of Ultra Woman. When Clark is kidnapped, Ultra Woman saves him, and together they manage to stop the Netwriches, even when Lucille (Shelley Long) temporarily gets Superman's powers. After her experience, Lois decides to propose to Clark.

8) Chip Off The Old Clark (November 19, 1995)
When a woman claims her son, Jesse, was fathered by Superman, but Clark denies it, Lois is hesitant. It turns out some of Superman's powers had been transfered to Jesse once when Superman saved a plane he and his mother were on and Superman was hit by lightning (as in Season 2's A Bolt from the Blue). When a hitman (Dave Coulier) sees Jesse being shown on tv, he plots to abduct the boy and use him to kidnap a foriegn president and launch missiles. Jesse's powers turn out to be temporary, fortunately.

9) Super Mann (November 26, 1995)
Two years previously, three Nazi agents who had been in suspended animation are revived by Senator Truman Black, a friend of Perry. Now each successful celebrities, to prevent Superman from interfering they trick him into entering a mine and set off a nuclear device leaving him radioactive. While Superman is forced into isolation at S.T.A.R. Labs they begin their plan to take over the government, until Superman purges the radiation by flying to the sun.

10) Virtually Destroyed (December 10, 1995)
Cowritten by Dean Cain.
Clark joins Lois for a demonstration of a virtual reality environment run by a Mr. Xavier. They experience a trip to Hawaii, and then Mr. Xavier apparently stops the simulation and they walk out into Metropolis. But after Clark finds his powers are gone and they see Superman, they find they are trapped in the simulation. Xavier ejects Clark and says Lois' mind will be trapped in the computer if Clark tries to remove the VR equipment. Clark as Superman goes and gets Jimmy's help to hack into Xavier's computers. Xavier is Lex Luthor's illegitimate son and hoped Lois knew the passwords he needs to access certain files in Luthor's computer network involving mind control. Xavier ends up trapped in the network, while Superman escapes with Lois and Jimmy. Romantically, Clark reveals to Lois his limited experience with being intimate.

11) Home Is Where The Hurt Is (December 17, 1995)
Despite claiming to be involved only in a reputable cosmetics company, Mindy Church has taken over Intergang. With the help of Joey Bermuda, she manages to infect Superman with a virus from his kryptonian rocketship, and plans to kill Lois and Clark with a rigged microwave oven. After using kryptonite to cure Clark, Superman is back in action. Meanhile, Lois and Clark's parents are in town for Christmas and helping them. This help includes Dr. Lane's (Harve Presnell) creation Baby Gunderson, and Helen Lane (Beverly Garland) joining Lois in investigating Church.

12) Never On Sunday (January 7, 1996)
While Lois and Clark make wedding plans, a Jamaican comes to Metropolis as magician Baron Sunday (Cress Williams) using voodoo to get revenge against Clark and others who following an intelligence operation ruined his repuation.

13) The Dad Who Came In From The Cold (January 14, 1996)
When his dad comes to Metropolis, Jimmy learns his Dad is an intelligence agent. Together with Clark and Lois they end up preventing a coup planned by Jack Olsen's (James Read) NIA boss Trevanian, after Jimmy and S.T.A.R. Labs are able to decode information on a damaged laptop computer.

14) Tempus Anyone? (January 21, 1996)
Having built a new time machine, Tempus returns and kidnaps Lois, taking her to an alternate dimension where Lois had died in 1993 and Clark is engaged to childhood friend Lana Lang (Emily Procter). In this dimension Lois meets H.G. Wells (Hamilton Camp)and convinces the dimension's Clark to adopt the public identity of Superman and foil Tempus' plans to become Metropolis' mayor.

15) I Now Pronounce You ... (February 11, 1996)
Dr. Mamba (Tony Curtis) has been hired by Lex Luthor to use his knowledge of cloning using a rare type of frog, to clone the United States President. The President is abducted and his clone pardons Lex Luthor. Lois and Clark investigate after spotting an apparent secret service agent at a pet store. Meanwhile the upcoming wedding seems jinxed, but with Perry as minister, Clark gets married. But Lois has been replaced by a clone too, and being abducted for the still in love Lex Luthor!

16) Double Jeopardy (February 18, 1996)
Lois' clone is confused and not particularly interested in being married to Clark, until he shows her that he is also Superman. Meanwhile, Lois continues to reject Lex Luthor's advances and eventually manages to escape. While Clark becomes suspicious of the clone, the clone decides to kill Lois so that only the clone will have Clark. But after an accident, Lois thinks she is Wanda Detroit, a character in an old novel she wrote. Wanda ends up working in a bar, until Lex and Clark find her. Lex tricks Wanda into thinking Clark is her enemy, and drives off with her.

17) Seconds (February 25, 1996)
At the beginning Luthor meets and declares war on Superman. Lex and "Wanda" break into S.T.A.R. Labs and steal two clone embryos, which Lex plans to use to transfer his and Lois' minds into. Meanwhile, the clone helping Clark has withdrawn money Lex left in a bank. But then she goes to Luthor hoping she'll help him. She tells him Clark is Superman, but he refuses to help. Luthor then obtains a government weapon that he hopes "Wanda" will use to kill Superman. He confronts Clark and the Kents with the weapon, and kidnaps Ma Kent. The clone follows and lets Clark know where Luthor and Lois are. When Superman finds Lois and Luthor, Lois is unable to shoot Superman. The weapon's disharge causes Luthor's hideout to collapse, and Superman gets Lois and his mother out leaving the clone who sacrificed herself and Luthor apparently dead. Injured during the collapse, Lois understands she isn't Wanda, but now has amnesia.

18) Forget Me Not (March 10, 1996)
While being treated at the Metropolis Neuroscience Center, Lois' doctor, Dr. Max Deter, tries to prevent her memories of Clark from being recovered. Instead he tries to make her love him and keep Clark away from Lois. Meanwhile, another doctor at the center is brainwashing patients into being perfect hired assasins, then desroying their minds. He is hired to kill Perry, and programs Lois to be the killer. But Lois and Clark's investigation lets Superman destroy the doctor's sound device.

19) Oedipus Wrecks (March 24, 1996)
Despite Dr. Deter's continued efforts with hypnosis, Lois recovers her memories of loving Clark, after being exposed to several tests of a brain-numbing device built by Herkimer Johnson (Daniel Roebuck) (brother of the late Bad Brains from Don't Tug on Superman's Cape) to control the world and impress his mother.

20) It's A Small World After All (April 28, 1996)
Story by Teri Hatcher
When Lois and Clark attend Lois' high-school reunion they learn two former classmates' partners are missing. It turns out jealous classmate, now successful cosmetics businesswoman Annette (Elizabeth Anne Smith) is having a dimwitted sidekick Hans distribute items that have a chemical that suddenly shrinks people. Annette wants revenge by shrinking the partners of her classmates, including Lois. After Clark tries a free shampoo with the chemical he slowly begins shrinking, and initially doesn't want Lois with him. However, together they end up shrinking Annette and freeing the victims she has been holding hostage.

21) Through A Glass Darkly (May 5, 1996)
Someone named Ching, assisted by a woman named Sarah, put Superman through a series of tests. They cause Superman to save a space station to test his strength. They leave a hidden bomb to test his intelligence. Then they leave two bombs to make him choose between saving Perry and Jimmy, or Metropolis. In Lois' apartment, Ching shows he knows Clark is Superman. In a final test at Clark's apartment, Ching has Superman risk passing through a kryptonite force field to stop Ching from killing himself. After Superman saves Ching, Ching agrees with Sarah that Clark is the one, before Ching and Sarah escape by flying off. Lois speculates that they are aliens. Later, Ching and Sarah discuss Clark, demonstrating they have some connection to Krypton. A voice intrudes saying that by finding Clark he will die. As a subplot, Lois and Clark have talked about whether to settle down after getting married.

22) Big Girls Don't Fly (May 12, 1996)
Ching and Sarah (kryptonian name is Zara) tell Clark that they are from a group of kryptonians who escaped before Krypton's end, and now live on another planet called New Krypton. They say Clark is supposed to marry Zara, and if he doesn't come with them Zara will have to marry an evil Lord Nor who will cause a civil war. Their story is confirmed when Clark and Zara together trigger a holographic message from Jor-El stored in Clark's rocket. After stopping Tez (Roger Daltrey), an assasin who can shapechange and imitate his prey, Clark and Lois agree he must leave Earth.

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The ones I highlighted were those which I figured would be most worth seeing, given my situation. I'm going to do my utmost to tape the whole five-part "Marriage/Clone/Amnesia" storyline, even though I distinctly remember the last episode (about a mama's boy trying to impress his, well, mama!) being rather silly. The episodes with Justine Bateman are pure gold, the the last moments at the end of the season, had me completely stressed out all summer - I couldn't wait to see what happened in Season Four!

Anyhoo, let's keep on chatting! I love talking about this :) :) :)

Russkafin

08-15-2003, 10:33 PM

DisneyBoy

08-18-2003, 04:55 PM

Hmmmm...how would Lex get all his hair back..?!?!?!

Anyhoo, it seems my black electrical tape method was discovered last night by my parents (D'OH!) :( I figured it might be wiser to apply the tape to the location where the red "taping light" shines, prior to going to sleep, so that, should my mother be downstairs the next morning, I could press the record button without the stupid light awaking her. Unfortunately, my keen-eyed father finally noticed that tiny piece of tape, threw it out and ejected my blank tape. This morning I went downstairs to watch the show, but decided not to bother with sneaking around to reapply the tape, with my mother snoozing two feet away. We've just had too many arguments over this, and now that they've figured out that I'd figured out a new way of getting away with taping....ahh, there's no point. I'll run to a friend's place to get the five-part wedding thing taped, if possible.

All that drama aside, Ultra Woman remains one of my favorite Lois and Clark episodes. I'd forgotten about the extent to which the plot explored Lois' newfound understanding of Clark's daily troubles. Her proposal at the end of the episode was genuinely touching, rather than seeming like some drawn-out "we're together again, for the fifth time" sequence.

Poor Clark. Imagine going to help someone out of a burning building, and suddenly hearing that a volcano was about to wipe out an entire city. For someone who could easily dwell on all the lives he hadn't saved, he manages to stay pretty upbeat.

Nice to see the second season intro, by the by. One thing always dangled in the back of my mind however: The opening shot of Superman and Lois flying out of what seems to be the Super Mario Bros.' pipe-connecting factory, caught in a Coopa-Troopa blaze. Which episode was this from? And while I'm pondering, is that clip of Lois singing with Livewire's hair-style (which appears in the Season Four intro) from one of her scenes as "Wanda"? I'm looking forward to those...

I nearly fell back asleep during the whole "Superman's love child" fiasco, but that was more due to staying up late than anything else. What bothered me most about this episode was Lois' complete lack of faith in Clark, who never just came out and said "I did not sleep with this woman!" Those two spent nearly forty minutes bantering about a previous relationship that never took place! *slaps forehead*

Thanks for the info about Ching, Russ. I personally always preferred the original actor to his "cuter" replacement. Never would have guessed he was married to...

...hold the phone! I thought you meant he was married to Justine Bateman! He's Teri Hatcher's Husband!?!?! Woah! NEVER would have guessed! :) Always figured that she and Howie (from those silly RadioShack commercials) were an item. Weird. Very weird.

So back on to Justine Bateman...why did she take the part? She was wonderful in it, I thought. Did the whole "New Krypton" twist come out of left field for y'all as much as it did for me?

And let's get some more folks into this chat! I'd love to hear what present-day Smallville fans think of this series, whether they're rediscovering it (like me) or seeing it for the first time...

:) :) :)

Russkafin

08-22-2003, 12:27 AM

Hey... I refuse to let this thread die out! :)

Hmmmm...how would Lex get all his hair back..?!?!?!

I think there actually is a line in The Phoenix that Lex's hair loss may only be a "temporary side-effect." Apparently it grew back while he was incarcerated. Either that, or he joined the Hair Club For Villains??

DB, sorry to hear your black electrical tape scheme was discovered, I thought you finally had a foolproof system! Any new developments? What episode are they on now, anyways? We have to be coming up on the wedding arc by now, I'd imagine?

Ultrawoman is a pretty good episode. One thing that always bothered me, though. How come the effects of red kryptonite on Superman are different in each episode that it appears in, but they are consistant throughout each episode? If they effects are constantly changing, shouldn't they change EVERY time he's exposed to it? Ah well. Overall this is just a really fun role-reversal episode... and we get to see Teri don some tights of her own!

The love child episode that you referred to was definitely one of the weaker entries of season three. I never really liked the whole "Superman's powers can be transferred by lightning" idea (I don't think that's the case in the comics, correct me if I'm wrong? Pre-Crisis, maybe? I was very surprised when that element showed up on Smallville last season)... but I guess since they established that in a previous episode, it was kind of good to have some continuity (then again, having just done the whole "power transferring" bit in the aforementioned Ultrawoman, maybe they could have spaced those eps out a little more).

Nice to see the second season intro, by the by. One thing always dangled in the back of my mind however: The opening shot of Superman and Lois flying out of what seems to be the Super Mario Bros.' pipe-connecting factory, caught in a Coopa-Troopa blaze. Which episode was this from? And while I'm pondering, is that clip of Lois singing with Livewire's hair-style (which appears in the Season Four intro) from one of her scenes as "Wanda"? I'm looking forward to those...

Hmm... believe it or not, DB, you have stumped me. I know the shot you are referring to, of Supes and Lois flying out of the blaze together, but I'm not sure which episode it comes from. Was it new with the season three intro? I almost want to say it's from the first Prankster episode, but I could be way off base with that. But yes, the "lounge singing Lois" clip is from when Lois thinks she's Wanda Detroit.... note when you watch the episode that the bar she sings at is the Ace O' Clubs, which is owned by Bibbo Bibowski from the Superman comics.

Thanks for the info about Ching, Russ. I personally always preferred the original actor to his "cuter" replacement. Never would have guessed he was married to...hold the phone! I thought you meant he was married to Justine Bateman! He's Teri Hatcher's Husband!?!?! Woah! NEVER would have guessed! :) Always figured that she and Howie (from those silly RadioShack commercials) were an item. Weird. Very weird.

LoL. Yeah, there was a rumor not too long ago that Teri wanted a separation from the guy, though. Who knows. They have a daughter together named Emerson Rose.

So back on to Justine Bateman...why did she take the part? She was wonderful in it, I thought. Did the whole "New Krypton" twist come out of left field for y'all as much as it did for me?

I remember being very surprised by the New Krypton story arc! I also remember being pretty pissed that we never actually get to see New Krypton! At the end of season three we have to wait all summer to see what happens to our boy Kal-El when he gets to this new planet to fight in this war... only to have them turn around and come back to earth?! What a gyp! Hey, big blue, we've seen ya fight plenty of battles on our planet, let's see ya rumble with Lord Nor in outer space or something, man! :) Ah, well!

DisneyBoy

08-22-2003, 11:02 PM

Russ, thanks for keeping the thread alive :) :) :)

And...yup! Today was the wedding day!!!

And even better - I went over to a relative's place (same place as when I tried to tape Lois and Lex's wedding, and failed) and it worked!!! I have them on tape!!! YAAAAAAAAAAAAHOOOOOOOOO!!!

:) It was a wonderful start to my day, to be sure! But before we get there, Ultrawoman! Wonderful episode, and yah, now that you mention it, red kryptonite is kinda shifty isn't it? And Shelly Long and her sister were pretty darn annoying, but it was still one of the few episodes that stuck in my mind back when I first saw them. GO LOIS!

And while we're there, I must admit that I really found myself wondering where things may have gone between Jimmy and Lois if Whalin hadn't been portraying him. The sheer fact that you have a teen guy constantly doing favors for an older, attractive woman suggests that there might be something between them, and when you add the fact that Justin I (forgot his name already!) was rather old, and mature...oh come on :p You know he wanted Kat! In fact, part of me wishes that she could have returned for the series finale, and shown Jimmy how she "puts the paper to bed" :D

*ahem* But I digress...

THE WEDDING!!! I was got that feeling again today, while watching it. The same feeling I had when I saw Barbarians at the Planet and House of Luthor. Maybe it was just because I was in the same room again, but something about those episodes always felt like...a movie to me. Dean and Teri really are Lois and Clark in my mind, making a wedding something of a movie-going experience!

Well, I'd be lying if I didn't say that some of that feeling died down when we met Dr. Mumba (who Supermanhomepage claims was played by Tony Curtis...um, nope?) and had to sit through the return of the clones. Don't get me wrong: I think using clones in this storyline was brilliant, and tied in perfectly to the show's continuity...but why did they have to behave like children? That just grated on my nerves (more on that later). It just feels like the writers threw out every chance they had to make a villain sinister and menacing and instead played them up for laughs. Guy without a body? Lex Luthor's illigitimate computer-whiz son? Luthor's Ex wife? All silly, and without cause. Tony Jay's Nigel remained one of the most sinister figures on the show, simply because of his delivery. But he's dead now...(and I never saw it coming, either!)

I was rather surprised to see the whole "Replace the President" plot wrap up before the wedding took place. Even though it seemed like a really good plan for world domination, Lex didn't seem to care much. Poor guy is always chasing after Lois. Maybe he knew that the clones would only turn out like his replicant of Superman (from Season One) and that's why he left them in Mombo's care (what kind of name is THAT!?!?!) Either way, I was surprised to see the clones leave before the ceremony.

And the ceremony!!! :D Considering that this thing was a huge milestone for the characters and was coinciding with events in the comics as well, I have to say...Lois can't pick a decent dress. She looked like Lucy up there (the 2nd actress who played her that is). Both her first two wedding dresses were just...meh. Thank god she found a decent one for Swear To God This Time We're Not Kidding. Good thing Ray Romano's brother didn't perform the ceremony (nice cameo though). The vows went really quickly, and I couldn't help but smile knowing that it wasn't Lois at all :) The final scene was brilliant - a wonderful clifhanger, if I ever saw one! Kinda cheesy I suppose, but well worth it! "Prepare to be STUNNED!"

LOIS IS A CLONE!!!

I LOVE IT!!! Anyhoo, episode two of the arc, began equally as strongly, with fake Lois leaving Clark high and dry....um, so to speak ( :rolleyes: ), and Lex coming back. What a guy! He even managed to make it to the wedding to kidnap Lois in person! I was really pleased about how that was handled in I Now Pronounce You... since the average viewer would never have suspected. Lois was carted off momentarily to sign the marriage liscence, Lex's escape was only briefly mentionned in that short limo shot, and after the ceremony, making his involvement seem like something to come, and not something currently happening. I was smiling the entire time. Considering how little respect this show gets in hindsight, it sure did a heck of a lot right!

Things quickly went wrong though. Lois' double was annoying and yet intelligent, considering she was only nine days old. She didn't want to sleep with Clark initially, and yet she's suddenly turning around trying to kill off her "competition"...? :shrug: Um, sure. I guess I can write that off as the childish selfishness of youth.

And here's something about John Shea's Lex that's starting to get on my nerves - he has no composure!!! He acts too much like a man, than an icon! Don't get me wrong, he's awesome, love it, don't change a thing, but still...he's gestures and vocal articulations just get to me sometimes. Or maybe it's because I know he's currently working on a series called Mutant X.

I've gotta run, but I really want to say more, so Russ...OR ANYONE ELSE...please feel free to post some thoughts. :D

*stares out impatiently*

HEY YOU!!! YAH - YOU! YOU WATCHED LOIS AND CLARK, HUN? WELL POST SOME THOUGHTS!!!

:evil:

Be back as soon as I can...here's hoping to God I can get the rest of this wonderfully nutty arc on tape (knocks on wood, fingers crossed!)

EDIT: Just had a thought, Russ! What if the Lex featured in this arc, is just a clone of Lex? Follow me here: The real Lex lost his hair right? So this could just be his clone! The real Lex could return in Season Five!!! We could ressurect the series!!!

In all seriousness, though - Should Lex have returned after this whole wedding thing? Was there really room for him in the series finale? Or did the second (and much, much cooler) Son of Luthor arc just bring his legacy to a long overdue close?

...and yes, I must admit that John Shea looks much better with the hair than without it. Just think that it was too long here, though.

Russkafin

08-24-2003, 01:39 AM

Y'know, DB, thinking about the wedding story arc got me so nostalgic that I actually broke out my old L&C tapes and re-watched the first three episodes of the arc this weekend (I didn't bother with the last two parts because they really fail to deliver... they don't really hold up that well, especially in comparison to the first three).

Well, I'd be lying if I didn't say that some of that feeling died down when we met Dr. Mumba (who Supermanhomepage claims was played by Tony Curtis...um, nope?)

Dr. Mamba is indeed played by Tony Curtis... you sure you're not thinking of someone else?

It just feels like the writers threw out every chance they had to make a villain sinister and menacing and instead played them up for laughs. Guy without a body? Lex Luthor's illigitimate computer-whiz son? Luthor's Ex wife? All silly, and without cause. Tony Jay's Nigel remained one of the most sinister figures on the show, simply because of his delivery. But he's dead now...(and I never saw it coming, either!)

Very much agreed. I can count this show's memorable villains on one hand. Lex, of course... Nigel is very under-rated, he was a very good villain as well... Tempus, of course, is always a hoot (probably the only villain on the series to pull off the comedic aspect and still remain a viable threat to the man of steel)... the Church family... Jason Trask in season one... and honestly, that's about it... go much farther than that and you really have to start digging.

I was rather surprised to see the whole "Replace the President" plot wrap up before the wedding took place. Even though it seemed like a really good plan for world domination, Lex didn't seem to care much. Poor guy is always chasing after Lois.

Yes. As much as I love John Shea, and as great as it is to have Lex in any episode, none of his later episodes quite do justice to the character he was in the first season... his only real motivations anymore seem to be to get Lois and to kill Superman. Sure, that's what he wanted to do in the first season too, but back then he was also running all the crime in Metropolis in the meanwhile. Lex trying to replace the president was definitely a step in the right direction, but it's too bad that plot was abandoned so quickly... so soon back to the "kidnap Lois, kill Superman" plot. And he has one line that really made me raise an eyebrow... something he says to Lois about building an "empire of pure evil." Since when does Lex think that he is evil? Doesn't he think of himself as the good guy?

He even managed to make it to the wedding to kidnap Lois in person! I was really pleased about how that was handled in I Now Pronounce You... since the average viewer would never have suspected. Lois was carted off momentarily to sign the marriage liscence, Lex's escape was only briefly mentionned in that short limo shot, and after the ceremony, making his involvement seem like something to come, and not something currently happening. I was smiling the entire time.

That newsflash in the limo still sends chills down my spine. The whole episode they are teasing us, tossing around Lex's name... and then... "This is LNN... police authorities released Lex Luthor this morning, unaware that his pardon was written by the false president... so far Mr. Luthor remains at large." And that picture of Lex that accompanies it! All bald and crazy looking! Oh man, that scene is perfect!!

Things quickly went wrong though. Lois' double was annoying and yet intelligent, considering she was only nine days old. She didn't want to sleep with Clark initially, and yet she's suddenly turning around trying to kill off her "competition"...? :shrug: Um, sure. I guess I can write that off as the childish selfishness of youth.

Yeah, the clone's characterization was a little off in Double Jeapordy... it seemed like they really weren't sure what to do with her. One scene she is very childlike and innocent, the next she is crazy and wants to kill Lois... they don't really seem to get her character down until Seconds. Though, I gotta give Teri Hatcher some mad props, it does show off her acting skills... Lois, Wanda, and the clone ("Clois" as they used to call her on the fansites!) are all very different personalities, and Teri shows quite a bit of range in playing all of them.

And here's something about John Shea's Lex that's starting to get on my nerves - he has no composure!!! He acts too much like a man, than an icon! Don't get me wrong, he's awesome, love it, don't change a thing, but still...he's gestures and vocal articulations just get to me sometimes.

Eh, he does kind of over-act a little bit at times... :) Oh well, he has fun with his role!

One thing I also have to add... I LOVE that we got to see Clark lose it in this episode... first at the Planet, when he discovers Lois is a clone, and starts shaking her and yelling "Where's Lois?!" Then, when he finds Lex in his apartment, and shoves him up against the fridge... "Do you know how easily I could kill you?!" Wow, man oh man, when have we ever seen Clark that riled up?? I really like that we got to see the normally very composed Clark Kent lose his cool a little bit!

I've gotta run, but I really want to say more, so Russ...OR ANYONE ELSE...please feel free to post some thoughts. :D

I second that! Where is everybody?? DB and I are gonna have to take this to private messages pretty soon! (JK!)

Just had a thought, Russ! What if the Lex featured in this arc, is just a clone of Lex? Follow me here: The real Lex lost his hair right? So this could just be his clone! The real Lex could return in Season Five!!! We could ressurect the series!!!

I gotta see if I can find a link for you... after the series went off the air, KryptonSite (called Planet Krypton back then) did a series of fanfics called TUFS (The Unaired Fifth Season), exploring what might have happened if the series had gone on.... the "finale" ends with the revelation that it was actually a clone of Lex that jumped off the building in season one, and it was the clone that was subsequently ressurected by Gretchen Kelly.... the real Lex Luthor has been in hiding all this time, running Intergang from behind the scenes! Great minds think alike, huh?

JusticeLeagueLegion

08-24-2003, 09:56 AM

Very much agreed. I can count this show's memorable villains on one hand. Lex, of course... Nigel is very under-rated, he was a very good villain as well... Tempus, of course, is always a hoot (probably the only villain on the series to pull off the comedic aspect and still remain a viable threat to the man of steel)... the Church family... Jason Trask in season one... and honestly, that's about it... go much farther than that and you really have to start digging.

There were many underused villains in this show as well. Most of the villains that were in the comic books, were only used once or twice. For example, Metallo, Mr. Mxyzptlk, Prankster, Toyman I, Toyman II, and whoever else I left out. They only appeared a few times. Luthor was on it a lot. But everyone else only appeared once or twice...it wasn't a terrible thing, but it would've been nice to have Metallo show up again, and Mr. Mxyzptlk. And Toyman II in his yellow and black costume...that'd be cool.

DisneyBoy

08-25-2003, 03:30 PM

Hmmm...there were two ToyMen...! Guess I shouldn't have skipped so many episodes :) Thanks for joining in JusticeLeagueLegion - I hadn't really considered just how many of the comic book villains were used until you compiled that list. And I have to agree that Metallo could have easily reappeared. After all, his creator was revealed to have experimented on himself, as his robotic arm was shown to run on kryptonite (Pheonix). They could have easily suped-up his guy (pun intended!) and brought him back for a later episode.

In retrospect, I think one of the things that eventually led to the end of Lois and Clark were the "celebrity" cameos that the writers generously wrote stories around. As cute as it may have been for Howie Mandel or Drew Carey to pop in, couldn't they have been less integral to the stories they appeared in? Of course, it's always easier to look back and nit-pick, and lord knows that this series shone like pure gold in my eyes back when I first saw it :)

Back to Double J...why didn't Lex take Lois to The Alps!?!?!? There's nothing that drives me quite so nuts than a series whose limited buget shows. I consider this the second time that L+C skimped out on us, the first being the whole "We're Going to New Krypton" cheat. But they can cheat all they want, cause I'll love 'em anyways :D Regardless, this episode really was tough to watch on Friday morning. I just kept thinking, "Where are they going with this". I will however point out that after seeing Seconds, I can better appreciate the story over-all, and I guess Clois (great name!) did in many ways progress over the course of the episodes. The transitions could have been handled better, but the writers kinda covered their butts with the "juvenile" aspects of the clones.

WANDA. I LOVE YA!!! LOL, this was just a standout character. From the first moment I saw her, she just reminded me of a Season One Lois gone bad. Hopeless, aloof and sultry make for a powerful combination, especially when they're all wrapped up in a package as lovely and talented as Teri Hatcher! Something tells me that it may not have been her voice we were hearing through the microphone, though...

I really need to ask if anyone else found the Elton John montage to be the most bizarre thing ever seen on this series. Picture it: Elton John singing about missing out on love...cut to images of Superman standing atop a building....Lois dressing up as a lounge singer....Lex Luthor pondering his fate...Lois's teenaged clone bringing home bags of neon garments...Yipes! That whole thing just really pulled the plug out of whatever impact the fake wedding had originally had! And then, rather than give us, the audience wondering if this "wedding of the century" storyline could be swerving further away from it's supposed goal, the feeling that Superman and Lois can never again reach one another, the writers (I always blame them...sorry :o ) plop Lois and Clark, as well as Lex and Clois all into the same street to talk it out.

:rolleyes:

That said, Double J didn't end on much of a good note. Wanda leaves with Lex, even though he's obviously crazy enough to ask to her to say things that don't make any sense to some guy who looks like he wants to help her, and Clark is embraced by the neon-clad Clois, giddy and thrilled. Please don't mistake this as bashing, mind you. This episode really was rather fun. And I'm with you Russ - for a moment there, as Clark demanded "Where's Lois???", I felt like I was watching a movie in a multiplex. The chills were undeniable. GO DEAN!!!

Best line: "...and I think we've worn out this metaphor..."

So, no matter what anybody says about the second part of the arc, let it be known that Seconds made it all worthwhile! Last post when I asked if anyone else felt that Lex Luthor had run his course by the end of the arc, I had no idea that my answer would become a "yes". If this is the note that he has to end on, it couldn't have been better. The opening was spectacular as Lex blow up buildings left right and center! I'd just like to thank everyone for not completely giving away all the details of the episodes, you especially Russ, cause there were things in this episode I never saw coming! The clone's realization that her life had no meaning really resontated with me, especially in the light of all the recent cloning scares. I really want to take this opportunity to voice my opinion and declare that cloning is wrong. As silly as this sounds, this episode really secured my opinion of that. We can cling to the belief of our souls to comfort and drive us. No living thing should be denied that comfort. No living thing should be created solely to make the life of another living thing more comfortable. No matter what doors we may open through science, we need to be willing to turn around and close them.

...and I have to go, though I still have much more to say! Goodnight!

JusticeLeagueLegion

08-26-2003, 05:48 PM

Hmmm...there were two ToyMen...! Guess I shouldn't have skipped so many episodes :)

Yeah, I thought it was cool. Because there were two Toymen in the comics too. There was the Toyman who was named Winslow Schott (Who Appeared On "Season's Greedings") and there was the Toyman that wore the yellow and black costume. Anyway, I don't think it ever said what his real name was, but on the Lois & Clark episode (Toy Story) his name was Harold Cripsley, and he didn't wear the costume.

Thanks for joining in JusticeLeagueLegion - I hadn't really considered just how many of the comic book villains were used until you compiled that list. And I have to agree that Metallo could have easily reappeared. After all, his creator was revealed to have experimented on himself, as his robotic arm was shown to run on kryptonite (Pheonix). They could have easily suped-up his guy (pun intended!) and brought him back for a later episode.

That's exactly what I thought, I thought they could bring him back, only he'd be stronger, he could "Jump high," :anime: and he'd figure it out that it's the Kryptonite that makes Superman weak. I also felt Parasite should've shown up. I wish they'd make a new series with the same cast and introduce more villains from the comics. And what would really rock would be an episode with Michael Keaton as Batman as the special guest star. I could just picture him saving Lois while Superman's not around. It would be awesome.

In retrospect, I think one of the things that eventually led to the end of Lois and Clark were the "celebrity" cameos that the writers generously wrote stories around. As cute as it may have been for Howie Mandel or Drew Carey to pop in, couldn't they have been less integral to the stories they appeared in? Of course, it's always easier to look back and nit-pick, and lord knows that this series shone like pure gold in my eyes back when I first saw it :)

Oh well. At least they don't have A.J. Mclean and Li'l Romeo as guest stars! :p Another celeb that I was shocked to see was the country singer Billy Dean. He didn't have much of a part on the episode, he just had a cool truck and he was from Dallas and he was interested in Wanda Detroit. There wasn't much about him...but I liked the way they did it. And when he punched on Clark I thought that was pretty funny...also that episode housed the only appearance of Bibbo Bibowski who was also in the comics.

By the way, I think "Seconds" is probably my favorite episode of the show. I'm not positive, but it's really up there.

Lu775

08-27-2003, 12:09 PM

Hey, I've been watching the 8am episode of L&C since June. (when I found myself with an extra half hour of time on my hands before I had to leave for work.).
DB, I just found this thread today. I'm sorry to hear of all your taping troubles. If I had known earlier I would have put a tape in and recorded some for you!
Wow, Russkafin, your knowledge on the series is impressive! Even more fun to watch it, now that I'm in on some of the trivia. (I'm so gonna keep an eye out for the Terri Hatcher "wig" episodes! :p )
Although John Shea was great as Lex, I think Lane Davies remains my fav as Tempus.
And I'm really bummed that TBS is going to change their scheduel in Steptember. WHY??????? (whatever will I watch while eating breakfast?)

DisneyBoy

08-29-2003, 05:24 PM

*GASP*

So much, so quickly, has happened in the lives of Lois and Clark that I managed to fall behind in my comments. Forgive me. Today, there is much left to say...I'll try to keep this all organized.

Firstly, Lu775, thanks for your sympathy :) In retrospext, the only episodes I'd really want to completely have on tape would be The Green, Green Glow of Home, Foundling, Fly Hard, Barbarians at the Planet, The House of Luthor, ...And the Answer Is, Ultra Woman, Home Is Where the Hurt Is, and The Family Hour. I either have seen bits of these, taped bits of these, or haven't seen 'em at all. Hey WB? RELEASE SEASON SETS!!! :mad:

*AHEM*

Now, on to my comments :D

SECONDS - This thrill ride brought the story of Lex, Lois and Clark....and Wanda, and Clois...and Dr. Mumba...and Lex's first-season Indian right-hand man...to a close. I felt completely drawn in to the character dynamics, which is a credit to Teri, John and Dean for making an seemingly rediculous arc seem genuinely gripping. Although knowing ahead of time that Lex would die and Lois would sucomb to amnesia, again, did kind of take the chills out of the climax, I was enourmously pleased that all of the elements of the story (the bank account, and the moratily with cloning) came together logically. Lex just didn't bump into Superman or something equally as silly (as was the case, in a way, with the end of the previous episode). Clark tried to trap him, he managed an escape, and yadda yadda yadda. There's no point talking this episode up. It plain rocked!

Forget Me Not - Unlike the last three episodes, this one really gave us a chance to sympathize with Lois and Clark dealing with her anmesia. Dr. Deeter even came across as a pretty nice guy, although his next appearance, and possessive nature, would quickly change that. I didn't finish watching the whole episode, but taped it all (God bless black electrical tape and half-asleep parents!) and can't say that using patients as assassins was a smart move. But, as we know, every episode needs an obstacle and villain to overcome, and thankfully, the creepy dude handling the seniors played his role well. My only quam about this episode was the lack of closure regarding Lex's death, and Clark's wedding to a clone. Shouldn't he have had to anull the marriage, or something? It would have been a nice touch of reality for Clark to also have to deal with all the red tape ontop of his sorrows, and work...but then again, seeing Clark work solo on a story again was a nice treat.

Oedipus Wrecks - The Simpsons has made an art out of the "Clip Show", but Lois and Clark manages well enough here, despite a "villain" and "obstacle" so dull, that I had to remind myself to stick around to see Lois' recovery. The biggest reason I had to have this episode on tape was a catchy chant that always stuck with me, though I still don't know why....

"A-HAEVA A-HEIVA, A-HAEVA-HAVA-HOVA....A-HAEVA-HAEVA-HEIVA-HAVA-HOVA-HOOVA-HAVA"

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

That scene was a total riot! And while hearing the song was sweet enough, I think the writers could have gone with a more normal plot, reminiscent of the first Season's "Should Clark choose to be Superman even though Luthor will stop at nothing to destroy him" angle. There was enough there between Dr. Deeter, Lois' memory and the ramifications of the wedding to make a great episode out of. I guess I'll have to seddle for the song :)

Through A Glass Darkly - This brilliant episode started off what I feel was the best arc ever to emerge from Lois and Clark's four season run. It was also the oldest episode I had on tape to remember the series by, along with the other three "New Krypton" episodes. The whole drama unfolding in this episode felt like a return, in essence, to the realism and honest drama of the first season. Lois' whole "roots" issues never extended beyond this, and therefore seemed a little like filler, but otherwise, I have nothing bad to say about this episode. It's splendiferous!

Big Girls Don't Fly - The title's silly, and the episode is flawless. I may even dare to say that this is my all-time favorite episode of the series. The way everthing unfolded, from the revelations of the Kryptonians, to Tex's arrival, to Lois and Clark's unbelieveably heart-breaking decision, and then his final departure....aaaahhhhhhhhh! I can't tell you how much I felt when this episode drew to a close, and left me waiting an entire summer. I felt everything they must have felt. Wonderful work. Amazing. I'm completely out of adjectives. Did this episode completely blow everyone away, or was it just me?

Lord of the Flys - Again, a silly title, but an awesome way to start off the season. While Russ did make a point by mentionning how mislead we were when we expected New Krypton to appear, I can't honestly say I blame the show for that slightly disappointing cop-out. After all, Lois and Clark did have a limited budget, and the series was entering it's final season (when was it canned, and how did it happen?), so overspending on CGI attempt at an asteroid civilisation probably wouldn't have been smart. Once again, there's little to critique here. Lois is left alone at the Daily Planet, trying to account for Clark's abscence when she's fully aware that he might never return. Clark is thrust into a title, marriage and position of power he doesn't fully understand or want. Ma's heartfelt words of a mother's love - "Jonathan...My Boy is coming home." - are actually chocking me up, just thinking about them. Of course, the only real problem remains the villain, Lord Knor (who I choose to spell with a "K" because it looks right, and because the soup brand should also be pronounced the same way, despite what advertisers would have you think - SO THERE!), who (in typical L+C style) comes across as too aloof to be believeable. His conquest of Smallville came easily enough, so why didn't he use his influence to instead claim an entire State? I must also applaud this episode's use of settings, which were outstanding :D Happy Face for them! Getting to put faces and personalities to the reveered Kryptonians certainly enriched this episode, and the arc's final outcome (Clark choosing humanity over heritage). I wish the cliffhanger to this episode was better, but hey, two out of three isn't anything to complain about. And how about that Leeza Gibbons cameo? LOVE THAT :p Any details, Russy-boy?

Battleground Earth - A snazzy title for a blockbuster episode that picks up the pace, and brings Superman into his ultimate conflicts. I can't understate the power Dean brought to this role. So I'll just say it - He is Superman! Lord Knor is, thankfully, backed up by the US Military in the villain department, which I love :D I'm not really pro-military, so forgive my snide remark. I forgot to mention that the new actor portraying Ching wasn't anything special, but that's mainly because the episodes are so amazing! The final battle in the streets of Metropolis kinda gives away the size of the set (which, once again, shows Lois and Clark limited budget....a pet peeve of mine) but is otherwise heart-stopping. And Lois does much more than moan and gripe in this one. That knee-to-the-nuts moment had me standing up and cheering for her tenaciousness! And please let me take he opportunity to give a serious shout-out to Jay Gruska, whose brilliant scoring really brought this arc to vivid life. If you can track down the Lois and Clark soundtrack cd, I highly recommend it, as all of the main themes from the arc are included. As the story draws to a close, I couldn't be happier that the writers didn't just pull Lex from his grave or throw in celebrity to play the villain. This was a class act from start to finish, and everything ends wonderfully. *Applauding* This arc is what will make me enternally proud to call myself a fan of this series.

Swear to God, This Time We're Not Kidding - I don't quite know how to judge this one, so I'll opt not to, and just go along for the ride....very much like how everyone let "Mike" lead them to that perfect sunset, and the fairy-tale ending that we all hoped for. Delta Burke did a decent job, but then again, this episode was never about her. It was about getting Lois to that altar in a stylish dress :D The wedding vows were perfect, and people finally glared at Jimmy! Whalin finally feels at home in this episode. What a wonderful cast. I'm almost sad that the series didn't bow out at this point, but everything else aside, let's all breathe a sigh of relief - LOIS AND CLARK ARE MARRIED!!! Congradulations guys!

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I don't quite know how to bring this post to a close. As of Monday, Lois and Clark will cease to start my days off, and return to being a not-as-faint memory. I can't thank our satellite provider enough for having TBS Superstation, and I can't thank TBS enough for reairing the series, although I wish someone else had done it in Canada sooner! I would also like to seriously pat myself on the back for putting in so much effort to get this series on tape. I've got a nice collection to be proud of, and I really think you should all know the complexities that were involved with my massive endavour...

-Finding a rare private moment to get the complicated satellite to turn itself to TBS at 7:30...even though I could never figure out how to get it to tape using the VCR :rolleyes:

-Pre-slicing a rectangle of black electrical tape or two, and sticking it to my B:TAS laminated poster for quick accessibility once the morning comes, and also to conceal it - Let's not forget that my parents found a piece of tape on the VCR and began to suspect...!

-7:30am alarm, every morning that I cared to give taping a try

-Silent and stealthful sneaking around the house to locate my mother (Upstairs? Or was my father's snoring too much, and she's down on the couch?)

-Sneaking downstairs in a quite-yet-non-sneaky way, sometimes with my mother there alseep or awake.

-Getting her out of the room to stick the piece of tape over the location of the darned red "recording" button on the VCR that would completely give me away. Sometimes I would pretend to not be watching the show at all that morning, and start up a conversation on the other side of the house, just to keep everyone's suspicions low.

-Finding another moment to press the "record" button just before the show would start, sometimes with my mother sleeping mere feet away. (Considering how angry my taping has made her in the past, this is the equivalent of Mickey rescuing the harp in "Jack and the Beanstalk"!)

-Then, the hardest job of all - preventing being discovered for TWO HOURS! I had to make sure that if the window blinds were open, that the light wouldn't reflect on the tape and make it obvious. I tried pushing the VCR further into the shadow of the cabinet, but often, my father would notice and fix it. Sometimes I'd start chatting about absolutely nothing in order to move my mother to a different room, or begin making breakfast...and let's not forget that I'd have to be prepared with excuses should someone notice that the VCR is on (The VCR, in "on" mode shows the number "3", while in "off" mode, it simply shows the time - my parents picked up on this too). My only excuse would be that I was watching a tape in-between the commercials. Bad excuse, but if all my other considerations paid off, I wouldn't need it. Still, the possibility of discovery, argument and long-term parental anger, not to mention the whoel trust factor, made for one uneasy watching experience! You try going through all this just to catch your favorite show, and you'll understand what I mean!

-Finally, shutting off the VCR, removing the tape and pretending like absolutely nothing was going on, forgetting the fact that I hardly ever had time to rewatch the episodes and enjoy them before having to reset everything again.

And there you have it! The last few weeks of my summer! It was worth it, though. I'm relieved I don't have to do it again, but I'm glad I did. I'm getting emotional right now and running out of time, so here's a list of Season Four's episodes for your enjoyment!

1) Lord of the Flys [Part 1] (September 22, 1996)
Clark leaves to find the palacial mothership that will take him to lead New Krypton. However, the kryptonians learn Lord Nor (Simon Templeman) has reached Earth. Ching allows Lois to be with Clark as his concubine. Nor has taken over Smallville, and after stopping a feeble military assault says he will rule the planet. Lois and Clark enter Smallville, despite a force dome erected over it. When Nor finds Superman is in Smallville, he threatens to kill Ma and Pa Kent if Kal-El does not leave.

2) Battleground Earth [Part 2] (September 29, 1996)
Clark agrees to be Nor's prisoner. Nor has Clark tried and convicted by the Elders' Tribunal of treason because of his continued love of Lois, and unwillingness to mate with Zara. Clark is sentenced to death, and Nor has his men go to attack Metropolis, after forcing Zara to marry him. Ching uncovers a loophole allowing Clark to settle the dispute by dueling Nor. Nor agrees to the combat, so Ching begins quickly training Clark. As Clark fights Nor, Lois warns that the military has stolen the kryptonite sample from S.T.A.R. Labs, and plans to kill Nor and Superman with kryptonite gas. Clark defeats Nor, and survives the gas because Nor and his helpers' bodies absorb most of the gas. Zara and Ching leave to rule New Krypton. Later, Clark asks Lois to marry him before something else happens.

3) Swear to God, This Time We're Not Kidding [Wedding] (October 6, 1996)
As Lois and Clark prepare for their wedding, they learn from a reporter (Ray Buktenica) that Myrtle Beech, the Wedding Destroyer, has escaped prison. Beech vows to ruin their wedding since they caused her to be in prison, after her previous attempts at ruining weddings. Myrtle is unknowingly being manipulated by her grief counselor (Charles Fleischer) into believing her True Love wanted to marry her when he died just before her wedding. Myrtle switches Lois' ring and intends to kill her at the wedding using a rigged ring, but Clark convinces her not to kill Lois. Later, Lois and Clark fly off to find the perfect place for a wedding, where they find Perry, Jimmy, their parents, and their mysterious friend Mike (David Boyle) who performs the ceremony.

4) Soul Mates (October 13, 1996)
Just as Clark and Lois are about to consummate their marriage, H.G. Wells (Terry Kiser) reappears warning them that they are soul mates linked thoughout time, and cursed long ago so that if they have sex, Lois will die, and shows the next day's newspaper as proof. The headline says Lois died from a mystery illness. Wells takes them back in time where they encounter Baron Tempus (Lane Davies) who wants Lois then known as Lady Loisette. Clark is Sir Charles, secretly a Robin Hood styled rebel known as the Fox. If Tempus does not get Lois, his sorceror will curse Lois and Clark. Clark reveals he is the Fox and duels Tempus, until Lois agrees to marry Tempus, if Clark is allowed to live in exile. The three return to the present and find it has changed: now Lois is about to marry King Tempus. So they go into the past again where Clark is a crimefighter - the Lone Rider, and Lois is Lulu, being pursued by Tempus Tex. Clark rescues Lulu's parents and defeats Tempus Tex, restoring the timeline in the present, while preventing any curse.

5) Brutal Youth (October 20,1996)
Jimmy finds one of his pals has somehow died of old age. Gerontologist Veda Doodsen (Caroline McWilliams) has been disgraced by experimenting on prisoners. She has invented a device that siphons off life energy from one person to temporarily rejuvenate another. To have a permanent effect, she'll need plutonium. An escaped elderly bank robber Conner Schenk (Sandy Ward) gets temporarily rejuvenated, and wants a permanent treatment. Meanwhile, when Jimmy investigates, he ends up exposed and ages (played by Jack Larson from the Adventures of Superman). Superman agrees to have his energy used to affect Schenk and then Jimmy. Also, Lois worries about growing old after talking with Dr. Klein, and Clark finds a new apartment for them to live in.

6) The People v. Lois Lane (October 27, 1996)
Lois goes out to meet an old source, Elroy Sykes (Peter Spellos). He gives her an unloaded gun to hold, which, to her surprise, goes off, killing him. Professor Jefferson Cole (Alan Rachins) and District Attorney Clemmons (Granville Van Dusen), one seeking revenge and one seeking election, put togther an elaborate frame and Lois is arrested for murder. As it turns into a media circus, Superman visits Lois in jail, offering to break her out, but Lois reminds him of all he stands for. At the trial Superman is called as a witness for the prosecution, where he is asked if he loves Lois Lane. He replies that he is sure that Clark Kent loves Lois. Perry White is called next, but Cole has kidnapped Perry, and instead uses his "Hallucinator" machine to create an image of Perry testifying. On the basis of the false Perry's testimony, Lois is convicted of murder.

7) Dead Lois Walking (November 10, 1996)
As there is talk of the death penalty for Lois, Superman breaks Lois out of prison. Lois and Clark, dodging the police, take refuge in a run down motel. Meanwhile Jefferson Cole (Alan Rachins) plans to kill thousands of people in Metropolis. He uses his Halluicinator to convince Dr. Klein (Kenneth Kimmins) to give him hybrid-Kryptonite, a substance that will be as deadly to the general public as Kryptonite is to Superman. As Lois and Clark investigate her frame-up, Cole kidnaps Lois and causes the hybrid-Kryptonite to fall to the earth in a rainstorm. Superman creates a funnel cloud to spin the hybrid-Kryptonite out of the atmosphere and rescues Lois, capturing Cole. Because of the DA's involvement, the state decides not to pursue the prison breakout, and Lois and Clark continue their lives as newly-weds.

8) Bob and Carol and Lois and Clark (November 17, 1996)
As Lois strives for a coveted interview with rich recluse Grant Gendell (Kenneth Mars), and Clark investigates a series of bizarre murders, they make friends with Bob and Carol. Unknown to them, Bob (Antonio Sabato, Jr.) and Carol (Sydney Walsh) also lead a double life. Due to a research accident years ago, Bob has developed superpowers, a magnetic force with which he can kill. Aided by Carol, he operates as an assassin, known as Deathstroke. They are attempting to kill Gendell, whose company was responsible for the accident. Using Lois to locate Gendell, they are stopped in their assassination attempt by Superman. Although no match for Deathstroke's magnetic powers, Superman uses his heat vision to destroy Deathstroke's costume, which is all that allows him to focus his powers. Without the ability to control his magnetic power, Deathstroke is easily captured.

9) Ghosts (November 24, 1996)
With mob hit man Mink Mahoney (Richard Zavaglia) planning to kill him after he sold the mob a city block he didn't own, Con-man Herbie Saxe (Drew Carey) is desperately trying to buy up all the houses on the block. The lone hold outs are the Kents. He hopes to convince them that their house is haunted, but no one is more surprised then Herbie when he conjures up a real ghost named Katie (Kathy Kinney). At first Katie helps Herbie in exchange for his promise to find the person who murdered her, but eventually she is drawn to the Kents' happy life. She decides to possess Lois' body, in order to have the happiness she never had in her former life. Herbie and Superman work together to find the murderer, and to convince the ghost to release Lois. Eventually, Katie goes to the "other side", Lois gets her body back, and Herbie and the murderer go to prison.

10) Stop the Presses (December 8, 1996)
As Lois and Clark are working on a story about a missing computer hacker, Perry is promoted and Lois is temporarily named "Editor-in-chief." Although she and Clark are sure they can handle it, her new responsibility strains their personal relationship. They have their first fight when Lois kills Clark's story to team him up with Ralph (James Dumont), an obnoxious, sleazy reporter. In the meantime, the computer hacker, Eric Press (Jeff Juday), and his older brother, Ethan Press (Charles Esten), are determined to kill Superman. Eric breaks into Star Lab's computer to determine Superman's physical weaknesses. They manage to trap him in a dark nuclear silo and weaken him with a nuclear explosion and the quantum disrupter gun. When things look darkest, Superman manages to open the roof to allow the sunlight in, restoring his strength. Just as he captures the two boys, Lois runs in to save him, having figured out the boys' plan. The couple make up with a smile and a kiss. Perry has decided that he missed the newsroom, and he and Lois return to their old jobs.

11) 'Twas the Night Before Mxymas (December 15, 1996)
A creature from the fifth dimension, Mr. Mxyzptlk (Howie Mandel), arrives in Metropolis on the day before Christmas. He creates a time loop, in which everyone relives the afternoon of Dec. 24 over and over again. Only Superman is outside the loop, realizing what is happening. Each time the loop is run, everyone looses more and more hope, becoming more and more depressed. Eventually, Mxyzptlk offers to make a bargain with Superman. If Superman will leave the earth forever, he will restore hope to the people Superman loves. Superman refuses, and as he does so, some of his hope is channeled through to Lois, who is pulled outside the time loop as well. As the afternoon begins again, Superman and Lois set about restoring hope to the world. This time, because of the cheer they have brought to the Daily Planet Christmas party, Mxyzptlk's power over people is diminished. Lois and Superman trick him into saying his name backwards and Mxyzptlk goes back to the fifth dimension. The magic of Christmas is in the air at the Daily Planet. Happy Holidays, everyone!

12) Lethal Weapon (January 5, 1997)
When Superman's powers go out of control again and again, the Mayor (Nancy Dussault) becomes concerned that Superman is a hazard, and requests him to stop all Super-activities. When Dr. Klein (Kenneth Kimmins) and Star Labs are unable to cure him, Lois and Clark suspect Red Kryptonite, which has caused strange things to happen to his powers before, and begin looking into who might have some. Meanwhile Perry White's son, Jerry (Andre Nemec), has returned to Metropolis, and is showering Perry with expensive gifts. Jimmy and Lois become suspicious of him, and find out that Jerry has the Red Kryptonite, and has been using it to neutralize Superman during robberies, for a percent of the proceeds. Jerry is hired by Mr. Gadget (John Spencer) and his son (Tom Wilson), who plan to destroy all of Metropolis with a sonic device if they don't get a billion dollars. Jerry balks at this serious crime, but when the Gadgets threaten his father, he complies. Faced with the extortion request, the Mayor reluctantly requests Superman's help. As a precaution, she sends a policeman along, armed with a green Kryptonite bullet, in case Superman goes beserk. Superman finds the sonic device, but, as Jerry opens the lead case containing the Red Kryptonite, has trouble destroying it. Perry notices Jerry and pleads with him to stop. Jerry closes the case, and Superman is able to destroy the sonic device and capture Gadget's son. The policeman, however, thinks Superman is out of control, and shoots him with the green Kryptonite bullet. Warned by Lois, the bullet only grazes him, and they find the Green K neutralizes the Red K's effects.

13) Sex, Lies and Videotape (January 19, 1997)
Written by Dan Wilcox
When Superman wins an award long desired by tabloid publisher Randy Goode (Jack Wagner), Goode orders a reporter, Samantha (Julie Brown) to find some way to discredit Superman. She had observed Superman and Lois together previously, and had her suspicions. Following Lois, she was able to photograph Lois and Superman together in a steamy embrace. The film is damaged, however, and she has a fake photograph made up. The photos are published and Lois and Clark watch helplessly as the scandal grows out of control. When war threatens to break out because people no longer trust Superman, Clark decided the only thing to do is to tell the truth -- that Superman can't have an affair with Clark Kent's wife, because Superman is Clark Kent. Lois is determined to find out who is behind this before Superman's news conference. She and Jimmy find the photo lab, and Lois is both surprised and relieved to find out that the photos were faked. Goode and Samantha are arrested at the news conference, and Superman is able to answer the question "Are you having an illicit affair with Lois Lane?" truthfully, without revealing his greatest secret.

14) Meet John Doe (March 2, 1997) by Tim Minear
Tempus (Lane Davies) returns with a plan to plunge the world into a thousand years of darkness. He begins by running for President, under the name John Doe. By using a "subliminator," he is able to convince everyone to vote for him. When Andrus, a peacekeeper from the future (William Christopher), tries to apprehend him, Tempus kidnaps Andrus. "John Doe" wins the presidential race by a landslide, as even President Garner (Fred Willard) votes for him. Lois and Clark, however, recognize Tempus and try to figure out a way to stop him. President-elect Tempus quickly gains the upper hand, using the federal bureaucracy to harass Superman. When Tempus attacks Lois, using his subliminator to cause her to drive her car over the cliff, Superman confronts Tempus, threatening him and warning him to leave Lois alone. Tempus devises a plan to get Superman out of the way for good. He releases Andrus, and substitutes a replica for himself. Planning to send Tempus back to the future for trial, Andrus and Superman confront the replica and force him into a time window. As Superman steps into the time window, the real Tempus appears, and touching the window, causes it to spin off into eternity. Lois stares in horror as first Superman, then Andrus, vanish. She is left alone, crying out for Clark.
TO BE CONTINUED.

15) Lois and Clarks (March 9, 1997) by Brad Buckner and Eugenie Ross-Lemming
With Superman out of the way, Tempus (Lane Davis) continues his quest for world domination. Using the subliminator to control the minds of the populace he begins a totalitarian regime. H. G. Wells (Hamilton Camp), alerted by the disappearance of the future Utopia, comes to Metropolis to make sure Superman is all right. When Lois explains what happened, Wells goes to the alternate universe (from Tempus Anyone) to bring the alternate-Clark back to help. While this Superman searches for Tempus' mind control device, Tempus kidnaps Wells and Lois. When Superman finds and destroys the subliminator, Tempus decides to destroy the world by beginning a nuclear war. Superman stops him just in time. Wells and Lois use Wells' time machine to locate and rescue the real Superman. In a last bid for revenge, Tempus tells the world Superman is Clark Kent; no one believes him, however, when the real Clark and Lois appear with the Alternate-Superman at the news conference.

16) AKA Superman (March 16, 1997) by Jeff Vlaming
Penny Barnes (Kristanna Loken) is convinced Superman has a secret identity, and her computer gives her a 97% probability that Superman is -- Jimmy Olsen. She makes a date with Jimmy, and comes on rather strongly to him. Even when he realizes she is really interested only in Superman, the obvious advantages keep him from correcting her mistake. Meanwhile, Penny's boss, Garret Grady (Dwight Shultz), is desperately trying to activate the "Annihilator", a satellite weapon the U.S. is trying to dismantle. When he realizes Penny is "Superman's" girlfriend, he realizes he has blackmail potential. He kidnaps Penny and Lois, and tells Superman to fly into space and activate the weapon or else. Jimmy realizes where the women are being held, and comes to rescue them. He manages to turn off the sound-proofing, but then is caught by one of Grady's henchman. Once Superman can hear Lois talking, he destroys the satellite, captures Grady and rescues Lois, Penny, and Jimmy. Penny is so impressed by Jimmy's bravery, however, that she no longer cares that he's not Superman.

17) Faster than a Speeding Vixen (April 12, 1997) by Brad Kern
Superman is surprised when a very fast -- Super fast -- female named Vixen (Lori Fetrick) begins "assisting" him in his crime fighting. Her single minded obsession with eradicating evil men and her disregard for human life soon mark her as a menace. She is working for a disfigured man called Troll (Keith Brunsmann) who lives in an abandoned subway station. Troll is obsessed with rebuilding Lex Luthor's financial empire. Lois and Clark realize Vixen is responsible for the disappearance of a number of Metropolis CEOs. The new owner of the Daily Planet, Leslie Luckabee (Patrick Cassidy) runs a false story in the paper, setting himself up to be Vixen's next victim. When Vixen snatches Luckabee, Superman follows her to an alley, where Vixen is revealed to be a robot. She is destroyed in their confrontation. We discover that Troll and Luckabee, who is Lex Luthor's son, are working together. Meanwhile, Lois and Clark wonder if they can have children.

18) Shadow of a Doubt (Part 1) (April 19, 1997) by Grant Rosenberg
Leslie Luckabee (Patrick Cassidy) and the troll (Keith Brunsmann) continue their plans to rebuild Luthor's empire, and to drive a wedge between Lois and Clark. They promise Edward Hanson (Matt Roe), an antidote to his condition (he has been in an industrial accident and was transformed into a shadow) if he will kill the scientists who worked on the Vixen project. When Hanson eavesdrops on Luckabee and the troll, he discovers there is no antidote, and he plans to get revenge on them by destroying something they both covet -- Lois Lane. He attacks Lois at home, but is stopped and destroyed by Superman. Meanwhile, Luckabee and the troll find Lex Luthor's final message -- one that tells them Clark Kent is Superman.

19) Voice From the Past (Part 2) (April 26, 1997) by John McNamara
As Lois and Clark dig into Leslie Luckabee's past, they discover that he didn't exist five years before. He is an actor, hired by the disfigured "Troll", who is really Lex Luthor's sons, to impersonate him in the world above. Determined to possess Lois, Lex, Jr. takes control of her mind, which permits him to see and hear everything she hears, as well as to speak directly to her, and to cause her intense pain. Under his control, she leaves Clark, telling him she wants a divorce. Lex Junior is then a voyeur during a romantic dinner she has with Luckabee, imagining himself in Luckabee's place. However, when Luckabee begins to disobey orders, Lex Junior orders him to bring Lois to the underground hide-out, where Junior shoots Luckabee. When Lex Junior tries to blackmail Superman, threatening to kill Lois, Superman freezes Lois with his breath. The Troll, thinking Lois dead, threatens to detonate a bomb, which will level part of Metropolis. The bomb does go off, presumably killing the Troll. Superman fixes the damage caused by the bomb, and resuscitates Lois.

20) I've Got You Under My Skin (May 11, 1997 - UK air date) by Tim Minear
Lois and Clark are planning a quiet day off together when Clark is called away to re-interview a mobster boss, Little Tony, who has a contract out on a con, Woody Samms. Woody can change shapes with animals and pays Asabi to teach him how to swap souls with humans. He intends to take the place of Little Tony and cancel the contract so he can live in peace with his daughter Becky. To get close to Tony, he decides to use Clark's body as a go between. After wondering what drugs Clark is on, Tony realises that he's in Superman's body and doesn't want to give it back, especially when he sees Clark's 'hot wife'. Clark, in Woody's body tries to get to Lois but at first she doesn't believe that it is him. Tony captures Becky to get Woody (Clark) and there is a fire in a warehouse putting her in danger. Woody as Superman has been threatening Lois, he wants to keep this body and to do that he must kill Clark before the body decays, when he hears Becky screaming. Knowing that he is no longer invulnerable as the body weakens, he is scared to go into the building so gives the body back to Clark so that the real Superman can save Becky.

21) Toy Story (May 18, 1997 - UK air date) by Brad Kern
A toymaker is kidnapping children from orphanages to make them happy when he discovers that the company who fired him is planning on using something he invented to make money. It is a Reintegrator (think the transporter in Star Trek). He decides to kidnap the children of the company's Board and since Doctor Klein has been perfecting the device, he kidnaps Doctor Klein too. Lois and Clark have been investigating the orphan story and are almost killed when the toymaker decides they are getting too close to the story. Lois is transported to the toymakers workshop by accident and has to look after the kids who are beginning to hate being there. Luckily Clark figures out what happened and Lois manages to get a message to him so that she and the kids can be rescued. Martha and Jonathan are in Metropolis for their wedding anniversary - Clark is horrified that they want time to spend alone! Lois decides with a little help from Martha that she is ready to be a mother.... and someone from Perry's past turns up as his blind date!

22) The Family Hour (May 25, 1997 - UK air date) by Eugenie Ross-Leming and Brad Buckner
Dr. Fathead Mensa is released from prison to take revenge on those who betrayed him in the past. He has spent the last five years practicing advanced mental techniques which use telekinesis. The Kents are in Metropolis and send Lois and Clark Clark's old bassinet. They're all very excited about the prospect of children. Lois can't wait to hear Doc Klein's news. Unfortunately, it's not good news. They can't have children - they are incompatible reproductively. Lois and Clark decide to tell Sam Lane about the big secret to see if he could check the data and see if there's any hope at all that Doc Klein was wrong. He's stunned and Ellen who is not told, ends up paranoid that she's the only person in the world who doesn't know something! Sam's lab assistant, Misha, had betrayed Mensa in the past, he was supposed to be building a machine to boost brainwaves. When he is threatened by Mensa, he drugs Sam to find out what he is working on in case it might pacify Mensa. He finds out that CK=S. Mensa kidnaps all the parents and heads off to rob a bank. Lois and Clark are visited by an adoption agency who tell them that their lifestyle, especially Lois' propensity to get into danger, means they would be unlikely to have a child placed with them. The parents convince Misha to help them and Superman manages to stop Mensa because the boosting machine isnt' ready and ends up zapping away bad memories... including the knowledge that CK=S from them all including Sam. Lois and Clark lie in bed, determined to keep exploring all the options to have kids when he hears something. They go downstairs to find a baby in the cradle, with a Superman blanket and a note saying that this child belongs to them.

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I'll be back to say more about the rest of the Season, even though it won't air, and.....I'm at a loss for words. So, I'll stick to what works ;)

It's a bird...It's a Plane...It's LOIS AND CLARK: THE NEW ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN!!!

:)

Russkafin

08-30-2003, 03:54 AM

and the series was entering it's final season (when was it canned, and how did it happen?)

Lois & Clark's ratings were on a pretty steady decline all throughout the fourth season. Midway though, they changed the timeslot from it's original Sunday night to one hour earlier on Saturday. The time change was not very well advertised, and it followed the series being pre-empted for nearly the entire month of February sweeps. This led to the ratings declining even further.

Here's the real kick in the pants. Lois and Clark was picked up for a fifth season. They filmed the fourth season finale fully expecting to be back the following year. However, at the last minute, ABC pulled a switcheroo and re-negotiated several contracts... Lois and Clark was given the axe at the last possible minute, too late to re-tool the season finale. That's why the final episode ends with Lois and Clark finding a baby wrapped in a Superman blanket, with no clue as to who the child is or where it came from.

The former Planet Krypton newsletter managed to score an interview with one of the series' writers shortly after this happened... apparently, the child was Lois and Clark's from the future (they were eventually able to concieve), and it was brought back in time to protect it from some threat (most likely Tempus). Of course, most fans will never know that, sadly, and we'll certainly never get to see it played out.

Nightflower

08-30-2003, 09:47 AM

The former Planet Krypton newsletter managed to score an interview with one of the series' writers shortly after this happened... apparently, the child was Lois and Clark's from the future (they were eventually able to concieve), and it was brought back in time to protect it from some threat (most likely Tempus). Of course, most fans will never know that, sadly, and we'll certainly never get to see it played out.
Putting my quote in here..

Mmm....shades of that irritating pink-haired girl from Sailormoon.. ;)

Also, slightly too late, but Russkafin, the original quote was, "Nice hairdo... tinkerbell." ;)

Russkafin

09-02-2003, 12:05 AM

Hey, thought you guys might like to check this out! KryptonSite is doing a retrospective on Lois & Clark... timely, huh??

http://www.kryptonsite.com

JusticeLeagueLegion

09-02-2003, 08:52 PM

Hey, thought you guys might like to check this out! KryptonSite is doing a retrospective on Lois & Clark... timely, huh??

http://www.kryptonsite.com

TEN YEARS! Man time sure gets away!

Russkafin

09-05-2003, 03:17 PM

Hey, DB (and anyone else who is interested)...

I found out why John Shea left the show after the first season. He was living in NY, and the series was shooting in LA. After a full year of commuting back and forth to shoot his scenes, it became too much of a drain on him, and he decided not to return as a regular cast member for the second season, but to instead only do occasional guest appearances.

The Penguin

09-05-2003, 04:04 PM