C&C - "Big O" Season One - Week Two [7/15 - 7/18] [Archive]

DianaGohan

07-15-2003, 12:34 AM

Ghost Robots With Connections (---= the line) to Missing Sons in the Big O Episode Review of "Bring Back My Ghost".

Wow, Colonel Gaust sounds like Lord Zed from Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. That's not a complaint though, just something I noticed. Anyway, onto the review. While this episode was kind of hard to follow at the beginning, it made more sense the more you watched it. So a shady blind old lady (Rebecca Fraiser) hired Roger to find her Son Bonnie, who was thought to be dead after a riot a year ago so she could see him for her birthday. This is connected somehow to the recent ghost apperances that have plaguing the city. While they didn't explain exactly why Bonnie was saved by that giant ghost robot or how he got the memory to operate it, it was left vague on purpose. Probably as one of those "We'll fill it in later" types of deals, but that's okay. Nice fight between Megadus and Ghost Robot BTW. Espically Big O using it's Eye Beam for the first time and having that chain pull away the Megadus to avoid those blasts. And of course the heartwarming ending where Bonnie is reunited with his mother and brother Rick (Who BTW, had an intresting talk with Roger at the beginning that brought up more of Mr Smith's logic). And another appearence of Datsun, who still has something against Roger and Megadus, but does not do anything about it this time around. Despite a lack or Dorothy (she had what 3 lines or something) we did get a bit more of Norman, which was good, so overall, I would give this episode an A-.

Dark

07-15-2003, 12:35 AM

SSJPabs

07-15-2003, 12:36 AM

Dorothy hasn't been forgotten in the episodes this week. Never fear.

Spike Mcdougal

07-15-2003, 12:37 AM

Dorothy has a better role tomorrow so dont worry

Tienshin

07-15-2003, 12:37 AM

Muninn

07-15-2003, 12:39 AM

Yet another good ep. Need more Dorothy though.

Dorothy is strong.

Dastun doesn't believe that Roger is the pilot behind the Megadeus, and there is no reason for him to think that. At this point, why would he?

Did you not see him turn away from the Megadeus and say "there's something about it I really hate."

SSJPabs

07-15-2003, 12:41 AM

Did you not see him turn away from the Megadeus and say "there's something about it I really hate."

That's pretty vague though. He could just mean he hates that it wrecks his town all the time, or that it interfears with his job. Although he might be getting an idea since the Megadeus seems to shows up on cases Roger is working on.

The Landstander

07-15-2003, 12:42 AM

Couldn't quite put my finger on why, but I liked this one. The originally confusing story slowly coming together and then finally making sense through the 'dead' cop's (forgot the name) story. Not explained exactly why the robot saved him, but that actually added to it. And the ending with the reunion between the mother and son was nice without being overly sappy. Though Dorothy was minimal...eh, didn't bug me much, this time around. And the robot fight was bearable...neat villian. So...yea, I liked it.

Tienshin

07-15-2003, 12:43 AM

Did you not see him turn away from the Megadeus and say "there's something about it I really hate."

Yeah, I saw that. So?

Dastun is Dastun...keep it close to your chest (BTW) But one issue would be The Megadeus usurping his own power.

SSJPabs

07-15-2003, 12:44 AM

I re-watched episode 13 today on my DVD and I just realized how/why the guy "remembered" how to pilot the robot. I'm ashamed I didn't think of it before.

He's one of the kids that Gordon "implanted" he just remembered sooner than the others.

Hades

07-15-2003, 12:46 AM

Hmm, can anyone tell me the next episode R. Dorothy gets more than a 2-minute apperance in? Just curious.

-Maggie
that would be 'Missing Cat' its a major Dorthy ep, as well as tomorrow night's episode.

herbkir

07-15-2003, 12:47 AM

My one complaint about tonight's ghost episode was the lack of Dorothy. She hardly said or did anything tonight. I hope you're right that we'll see more Dorothy-Roger interaction in coming episodes. The ghost robot was rather cool, though it wasn't clear how Bonny got to master that thing. (^_*)

SNS

07-15-2003, 12:47 AM

Good episode, A-

PearlRose86

07-15-2003, 12:48 AM

that would be 'Missing Cat' its a major Dorthy ep, as well as tomorrow night's episode.Yay! Dorothy is such a cool character. I really liked tonight's episode, but I was also missing R. Dorothy's wit and one-liners.

Now I've just got to wait unil tomorrow night's episode. ^^

-Maggie

Sampo

07-15-2003, 04:05 AM

That was quite good. What I really want to see out of this show is an episode explaining the Butler. We get a Dorothy explaination, there's a good backstory about Datsun (sp?) and Smith; but the butler is just kind of there. Why does he work for/ care about Roger. I know there's gotta be a connection there. Also, Dorothy was vastly underused in this episode, I was missing her great one liners.

About the Butler, Norman.

The series does explain a bit more about Norman in the later episodes. But even then, its still a little vague about what he use to do or who he actually is.

BTW, don't worry about Dorothy. We will see much more of her in this weeks episodes...

mosszonedotcom

07-15-2003, 04:51 AM

I just want to say that Big O was my first love in anime. It showed me that anime can have intelligent dialogue, be beautifully artistic, and philosophically deep. Years later, I have now learned that there are many more great anime series out there. I am currently very addicted and it is my main hobby besides basketball. I still love American animation too, but I do love anime. The problem was that the American stations were only giving us the kids series and holding back on the great violent series.

Anyway, I'm glad that you guys are supporting the Big O. Keep sending e-mails to CN because they really do work. The American interest is what caused Big O 2 to be created.

Delthayre

07-15-2003, 09:02 AM

PowerZord

07-15-2003, 11:36 AM

I liked this ep. It was good.

rabidrednek

07-15-2003, 12:11 PM

The missing cat episode has the greatest Norman scene in the series. I'm looking forward to it.

Chrono1995

07-15-2003, 12:56 PM

This is one of my favorite episodes from the first half of the first season. I loved the fact that the noir-style storytelling was in full swing through the entire episode, even during the robot fight (even though I still cringe at the phrase "Big O...in action!").

"Sure Promise" (the Big O fanfare) is a great BGM piece, although I think I like "Stand A Chance" better.

I also loved the element of mystery and the flashbacks throughout the episode, especially the final one.

Dorothy fans, tonight is your night. Tonight's also a night where the robot is directly connected to the story of the episode. Norman fans...wait until Thursday for a heavy dose of awesome.

RedBoot

07-15-2003, 01:25 PM

The missing cat episode has the greatest Norman scene in the series. I'm looking forward to it.

You're right, but the Norman scene in episode 11 (Daemonseed) is a close second.

CaptainRed

07-15-2003, 01:42 PM

I enjoyed this episode. The story was of a classic type, but was well done enough to avoid feeling like a wasteful retread. This episode also introduced an element of the mystery that makes The Big O such a strong series. Bonny Frazier was a good character, he managed to fill the role of antagonist, yet remain sympathetic.

This is one of my favorite episodes from the first half of the first season. I loved the fact that the noir-style storytelling was in full swing through the entire episode, even during the robot fight.

Agreed. I didn't think this act was quite as strong as Underground Terror, but this one is a really solid example of compact noir storytelling. The noir feeling, and my feelings for film noir, in fact, really saved my opinion of it.

I admit before saying this next bit that I was bored. Well, actually, not so bored... I just really like to see what's written in newspapers in movies and television shows.

I pausedthe tape in the scene with Big Ear, with the paper close to the camera before he folded it over. There was some kind of an article from what is probably the business section there. And oddly enough I find Peter Lynch's name there. Oddly enough... because I think it's odd period.

*honk*
Cappy Red

Wounded_Dragon

07-15-2003, 04:40 PM

"Sure Promise" (the Big O fanfare) is a great BGM piece, although I think I like "Stand A Chance" better.

They have different strengths. As a fanfare, Sure Promise is better for the heroic arrival and short fight. If it's a prolonged fight, it starts to run thin.

Stand a Chance isn't quite as heroic but it last longer with its "It's clobberin' time!" beat.

Apologies to Ben Grimm...

Bladesong26

07-15-2003, 05:22 PM

Nuts, you're all saying how good this episode was and I missed the first half coming back from Pirates of the Carribean (which I highly recommend just on the strength of Johnny Depp's performance).
I think I managed to pick up the plot thread through the second half, but did I miss anything particularly good?
Liked what I saw, though. Did anyone else think that the old woman might have died when the candle flame went out? Or I am seeing symbolism everywhere?

Roger Smith

07-15-2003, 07:58 PM

I Got a Doubd Why Do Roger Turns Homeless After Episode 13?

Muninn

07-15-2003, 08:01 PM

I Got a Doubd Why Do Roger Turns Homeless After Episode 13?It's a bad dream.

PickHut

07-15-2003, 08:07 PM

Hey come on now, put stuff like that in a spoilers box you two. :mad:

The Landstander

07-15-2003, 09:10 PM

Yes...c'mon, not everyone has seen the show; be considerate and use spoiler tags, please. If you don't know how: Put the spoiler here.

Duke

07-15-2003, 09:44 PM

My favorite part of the episode was the use of shadows during the big fight. It reall enchanced the scene.

JetMaster5

07-15-2003, 10:03 PM

It gets better than this, folks. I know you guys have heard this more often, but it's true. It gets better and better until Big O reaches it's peak.

Hopefully Big O 2 will continue to climb from that peak.

Sheamon

07-15-2003, 11:12 PM

Episode 5: Bring Back My Ghost
This episode, like episode 3 is not one of the gems of the series (and I would rank it 12th of 13 episodes right ahead of that), but that doesn't make it bad by a longshot :p Like that episode, this one's big flaw is the lack of Dorothy, something that will be made up for in tonight's episode. The rest of the episode is pretty good though. Although we don't really learn as much about life in Paradigm as we usually do, its a nice little story with a happy ending. Thats about all I have to say. A short review from me this time.

Grade: B

Dogasu

07-15-2003, 11:46 PM

Bring Back My Ghost:

This was a pretty good episode, even though it was kinda hard to follow at first. My big question though--the part when Bonnie is being shot at by that general guy. I know that Bonnie was trying to keep up the illusion that he was dead to scare the general guy, but wouldn't you think he'd at least *flinch* while being shot at? How could Bonnie be sure that every shot fired by a general from the friggin' MILITARY POLICE would miss him? I would think he would have better aim than that, scared or not.

Otherwise, it was a good episode. Tonight's episode is the only episode to run on Toonami uncut (and Wednesday night's episode only had one edit for Toonami's run). After that, the rest of the series had to be edited a lot for Toonami, so seeing it uncut on Adult Swim will be nice.

SSJPabs

07-16-2003, 12:07 AM

Who is voicing R. Instro tonight? I cannot for the life of me recall his name but he sounds quite familiar.

Tienshin

07-16-2003, 12:13 AM

Roger wakes up late to a beautiful petite (500LBs though) android playing classical music, and what does he do...go to a bar and have a "beverage".

That and trying to learn Dorothy some soul.

Sheamon

07-16-2003, 12:29 AM

Who is voicing R. Instro tonight? I cannot for the life of me recall his name but he sounds quite familiar.

Sparky Thornton. Other roles of his on Adult Swim include Anavel Gato in Gundam 0083 and Asimov in the first episode of Cowboy Bebop.

PearlRose86

07-16-2003, 12:30 AM

Go Dorothy! ^_^

A very, very cool episode. I liked Dorothy's piano playing, and the other android was quite awesome. I liked how Dorothy's playing managed to knock some sense into him.

Also, at the beginning, Roger's driving was... well, let's just say Dorothy is a very brave android for riding with him at all.

And at the end, when Dorothy goes back to playing "her" piece. ^_^ I dunno, but I really like that one better.

-Maggie

Muninn

07-16-2003, 12:31 AM

Yes...c'mon, not everyone has seen the show; be considerate and use spoiler tags, please. If you don't know how: Put the spoiler here.

If the tags menu wasn't eight clicks away and hidden behind some nondescript buttons, maybe we would. I mean, is it that hard to put a link next to the submission box?

Rabi~en~Rose

07-16-2003, 12:32 AM

Cool lotsa Dorothy as promised! She's my fave AS girl! Love how at the end she saved Roger's butt and then made him wakeup bad again hee hee!

Datsun doesn't know Roger is the pilot of Big O? I was thinking everyone knew!

In the end credits it says there was a manga..did anyone ever bring that over or will they? http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

G1Ravage

07-16-2003, 12:33 AM

Sparky Thornton. Other roles of his on Adult Swim include Anavel Gato in Gundam 0083 and Asimov in the first episode of Cowboy Bebop.

Also HAJIME SAITOU FROM RUROUNI KENSHIN!!!! :D

SSJPabs

07-16-2003, 12:33 AM

Sparky Thornton? SAITO!!!

Tonight's episode gets a nice fat B for me. What saves it is the interplay between the 'bots and the piano playing as well as the concept of how Dorothy plays so well techinically yet without a soul she will always lack something. Also an interesting hint of the way our dreams can come true through our children sometimes.

Chrono1995

07-16-2003, 12:34 AM

The ending was a riot.

Other that that, this was a really cool episode with a nice conclusion that brought a smile to my face. R. Instro is a really nice character, probably my favorite out of all the one-shot characters.

The sonata piece that played was beautiful too.

The Big O manga (two volumes now, I think) is over here.

SSJPabs

07-16-2003, 12:34 AM

Damn, we posted in the same minute. Well Kenshin's not on AS so that's why he wasn't brought up but you forgot that he was Rai-Dei the Blade on Trigun.

PearlRose86

07-16-2003, 12:34 AM

In the end credits it says there was a manga..did anyone ever bring that over or will they? http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif
I believe Viz has the rights to it, and (for sure) the first volume is out. I saw that one at my local bookstore yesterday.

EDIT: Yes, Viz has the rights to it, and as of now three volumes are here stateside.

RedBoot

07-16-2003, 12:36 AM

In the end credits it says there was a manga..did anyone ever bring that over or will they?

It's out over here, though it seems to be hard to find. I saw it once and didn't buy it because I didn't have the money at the time, and now I can't find it. I'm sure you can get it on Amazon, though.

Anyhoo, I like this episode. It's a nice little self contained story. Tomorrow's is another good episode (especially for Angel fans), and Dorothy fans can get another fix on Thursday.

Arxane

07-16-2003, 12:37 AM

In the end credits it says there was a manga..did anyone ever bring that over or will they? http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

The first three volumes are available right now for about $9.99 in the flipped format.

Duke

07-16-2003, 12:37 AM

Man, Dorothy can really move. She gets from the house to Big O and up the elevator in 2 minutes even though they're so far away.

When Roger was about to pick the lock to the bar and Dorothy just pushed down the door, I liked the look on Roger's face. "She thinks she's so cool just 'cuz she's an android. I'm cool too! I have a giant robot!"

DianaGohan

07-16-2003, 12:37 AM

Playing The Piano Leads To A Giant Robot... How?! Just Read The Big O Episode Review of "A Legacy of Amadeus" for the details.

Hmmm, so they started and ended this episode with Dorothy's Piano playing annoying Roger so much he gets out of bed late eh? I can appreciate that he would want peace after he wakes up, but it seems he's also a very late sleeper, getting up at around 12 noon every day, if not later. At least this helps expand on Dorothy's piano playing from previous eps, which is a good thing. Hmmm, I also liked that Instro character. An android created by his father to carry out his legacy to play some of the greatest piano music, but was then used by Giseng (who for some reason reminds me of Shrek from Batman Beyond with his sound amplification device) to interface with a Giant Robot called Constaine to destroy Paradime. That's a very unique plot, even more so was that it was Dorothy's playing that got him to stop and realize what his father meant for him to do, not to mention giving Roger a chance to missle Constaine's many arms and stop the robot from destroying the city. Geisng's death was also a nice twist: After all he went through, he got smushed by a tree at the end. I don't know why, but one of the more memorable scenes was when Roger was about to unlock that door with his knife but Dorothy just pushed it down and he looked at her. Goes to show you the two character's personalities without really saying anything. Does Instro ever come back BTW? He seems like he's staying with the "team" for a while at least, helping Dorothy to "humanize" her piano playing or something like that. Well anyway, a pretty good episode that I give an A-.

Mynd Hed

07-16-2003, 12:37 AM

Dastun is Dastun...keep it close to your chest (BTW) But one issue would be The Megadeus usurping his own power.

I wouldn't cast Dastun in such a villainous light-- I think the real reason he hates the Megadeus isn't because it infringes on his personal authority, but because it's an unpredictable element, and that which is unpredictable is often dangerous. I think it's the town and its citizens he's interested in protecting, not so much his "own power."

If you want to find a villain in the show who's clearly concerned with power, take a close look at Alex Rosewater....

Act V: Bring Back My Ghost Episode Review

Not a standout like some later episodes, but a solid chapter nonetheless. It had a nice little one-shot plot about corruption with some pretty interesting characters, a neat little fight at the end that offered more than just a beat-em-up, and an interesting little whodunnit. Can't ask for too much more than that.
So, did anybody catch the little hint about Paradigm's past this episode lets drop? Bonnie Fraser's brother says to Roger Smith that Bonnie fell into the Hudson River. Now, can you think of a major city that would presumably still be around in 40-odd years that's in the general vicinity of a river called the Hudson? Feels like an episode of "Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego," don't it? (-:

Overall Grade: B+

SSJPabs

07-16-2003, 12:38 AM

When Big-O first came out, I did a quickie music video of Angel and the next episode in particular to the song "Butterfly" by Crazytown. Long since lost now, but it seemed to work okay.

RedBoot

07-16-2003, 12:39 AM

Man, Dorothy can really move. She gets from the house to Big O and up the elevator in 2 minutes even though they're so far away.

And there's also the fact that Instro heard her piano playing from far away, not to mention that the sound machine was activated.

But there's a good explanation for both of those...a wizard did it.

Duke

07-16-2003, 12:42 AM

(who for some reason reminds me of Shrek from Batman Beyond with his sound amplification device)

Funny, I didn't know they had big, green ogres in Batman Beyond...

Geisng's death was also a nice twist: After all he went through, he got smushed by a tree at the end.

It wasn't a tree, it was one of the rod-thingys that Constatine used in its ultimate attack that was knocked off by Big O's missles.

DianaGohan

07-16-2003, 12:44 AM

No offense to Mynd Head, but you're a day late buddy. I am dying to hear what you have to say about today's episode though.

But there's a good explanation for both of those...a wizard did it.

Simpsons refrence eh? Well actually, the show's clarified that Dorothy's pretty fast. Did you see her running on that catwalk in "Roger the Negoiator?" That Android can move. Seriously.

PearlRose86

07-16-2003, 12:44 AM

The first three volumes are available right now for about $9.99 in the flipped format.They are flipped? Figures.

Anyway, according to Amazon.com (http://Amazon.com), and my local Books-A-Million, the first two volumes are list priced @ $15.95, and the third one is only $9.95. Same number of pages (approx.) and everything...

::shrugs:: I'm just playing messenger here.

-Maggie

RedBoot

07-16-2003, 12:47 AM

Simpsons refrence eh? Well actually, the show's clarified that Dorothy's pretty fast. Did you see her running on that catwalk in "Roger the Negoiator?" That Android can move. Seriously.

Very true, although the robo fight was rather far from the house, not to mention there was a forest in the way. We'd have to factor in Dorothy's ability to avoid trees, and perhaps her turning radius...but the point is that I always take advantage of an opportunity to use the Wizard quote.

Oh, and I think Amadeus's robot is spelt Constance, though I'm not 100% sure.

Wounded_Dragon

07-16-2003, 12:53 AM

I loved how facing down giant robots and gun-toting maniacs doesn't faze Roger, and yet Dorothy's rapid-fire playing is enough to drive him into a frenzy where he grabs Dorothy and drives like a maniac to get her to Instro for some lessons.

Tienshin

07-16-2003, 12:55 AM

Very true, although the robo fight was rather far from the house, not to mention there was a forest in the way. We'd have to factor in Dorothy's ability to avoid trees, and perhaps her turning radius...but the point is that I always take advantage of an opportunity to use the Wizard quote.

Oh, and I think Amadeus's robot is spelt Constance, though I'm not 100% sure.

Constance sounds (and looks right) thats how my aunt spelled her name.

Ability to avoid trees? Turning radius?! She isnt a GMC Yukon w/ 4 wheel drive.

Wounded_Dragon

07-16-2003, 12:59 AM

Constance sounds (and looks right) thats how my aunt spelled her name.

Ability to avoid trees? Turning radius?! She isnt a GMC Yukon w/ 4 wheel drive.

Nope, she's an android with two-leg drive. ;)

raykremer

07-16-2003, 01:02 AM

If the tags menu wasn't eight clicks away and hidden behind some nondescript buttons, maybe we would. I mean, is it that hard to put a link next to the submission box?
What's wrong with typing the tags out using the keyboard? :shrug: :rolleyes:

Tienshin

07-16-2003, 01:04 AM

Nope, she's an android with two-leg drive. ;)

Heh, heh, heh. Makes me think of my two-leg drive walk to the subway tomorrow morning. Um, this morning. Crap

I thought tonights ep was a bit slow, but its all gravy, I guess, considering new eps are on the way.

Arxane

07-16-2003, 01:04 AM

They are flipped? Figures.

The first volume was first released in a bigger format at about $15, but then Viz switched to its smaller format and rereleased it in the smaller format. Amazon.com hasn't gotten everything right. For instance, they sold volume 14 of "Inuyasha" at a higher price and with a wrong version of the cover.

And the only reason it's flipped its because the first book was released flipped. Viz decided not to change it for its rerelaese, probably to preserve continuity or some crap like that. They're doing the same with "Ranma 1/2" and "Inuyasha": rereleasing in smaller formats at cheaper prices but still flipped. Of course, future series like "Rurouni Kenshin" will be unflipped, but I want "Inuyasha" unflipped, dammit!

Muninn

07-16-2003, 01:06 AM

What's wrong with typing the tags out using the keyboard? :shrug: :rolleyes:

NOTHING.

However, when someone doesn't know them, it makes them very hard to find.

The Landstander

07-16-2003, 01:07 AM

If the tags menu wasn't eight clicks away and hidden behind some nondescript buttons, maybe we would. I mean, is it that hard to put a link next to the submission box? Yea, there is no button for it...and I have no power to make a button for it. Request it to someone more important than me. Since you know it now, just keep it in the tags, kay?

Don't feel like a long review (got the South Park DVD today, about to go watch it), so I'll just say it was alright. Some Dorothy moments were really great (favorite: When Roger attempts to lockpick a door, and Dorothy instead just knocks it down with strength). The robot pianist (bad with remembering names, I am) was a well done character, as well. A case of "I don't know what, exactly, but something seemed lacking" was in this episode...still, good for the most part. No Side

PearlRose86

07-16-2003, 01:08 AM

The first volume was first released in a bigger format at about $15, but then Viz switched to its smaller format and rereleased it in the smaller format...

...rereleasing in smaller formats at cheaper prices but still flipped. Of course, future series like "Rurouni Kenshin" will be unflipped, but I want "Inuyasha" unflipped, dammit!

Gotcha. I've only *seen* volume one, in my hands, and it was priced at $15.95. (Part of the reason I didn't buy it yet.) And I want unflipped "Inu Yasha" (and "Big O") too, dangit!

-Maggie

Rabi~en~Rose

07-16-2003, 01:13 AM

who cares if its flipped or not as long as all the stuff inside is good!

thanks for the info guys.. I think I might start collecting big o manga after chobits is all done ^_^ http://members.aol.com/kimminakochan/chicken.gif

RedBoot

07-16-2003, 01:21 AM

Gotcha. I've only *seen* volume one, in my hands, and it was priced at $15.95. (Part of the reason I didn't buy it yet.) And I want unflipped "Inu Yasha" (and "Big O") too, dangit!

It's all pretty cheap at Amazon. I just ordered the first three for about $28. The first volume is only $9 (there's two versions: The original release at $11 and the rerelease at $9. Get the cheaper one, obviously), the second is $11, and the third is $9. You can get the free (slow) shipping, which is good since regular shipping is like $10 extra. Plus, if you answer those little nickel questions like I do, you might get an extra dollar off (I got $1.50 off).

PearlRose86

07-16-2003, 01:21 AM

who cares if its flipped or not as long as all the stuff inside is good!I don't really mind flipped manga, it's just a *tad* annoying (to me, anyway) when in the manga, something's on his... left hand, say, and in the anime it's on his right.

But, I really want the Big O manga, and I'll buy it eventually, even if it is flipped. (I just need to get the cash together to buy it, at the moment.)

And you're welcome, no problem. :anime:It's all pretty cheap at Amazon. I just ordered the first three for about $28. The first volume is only $9 (there's two versions: The original release at $11 and the rerelease at $9. Get the cheaper one, obviously), the second is $11, and the third is $9. You can get the free (slow) shipping, which is good since regular shipping is like $10 extra. Plus, if you answer those little nickel questions like I do, you might get an extra dollar off (I got $1.50 off).I would, but I'm unable to buy stuff online, thus, I'm stuck buying retail. That *is* a good deal, nonetheless, though.

-Maggie

trunkschan90

07-16-2003, 01:31 AM

Also HAJIME SAITOU FROM RUROUNI KENSHIN!!!! :D
Don't forget Sparky also voices the Detective guy from Kikaider (also si the ADR English scriptwriter for the show) and also voices Cyborg 002 (the guy with the long nose and hair)
I have to wait for 1 hour and 30 minutes before Big O starts :sweat:

Amano Ginji

07-16-2003, 01:34 AM

It's all pretty cheap at Amazon. I just ordered the first three for about $28. The first volume is only $9 (there's two versions: The original release at $11 and the rerelease at $9. Get the cheaper one, obviously), the second is $11, and the third is $9. You can get the free (slow) shipping, which is good since regular shipping is like $10 extra. Plus, if you answer those little nickel questions like I do, you might get an extra dollar off (I got $1.50 off).

The free shipping is actually pretty quick.

If I order something on a Wednesday, I might get it by the Monday of the next week.

(Well, that's quick for me.....I don't need stuff like..overnight.)

With the pre-orders it's even faster. You can get them before the date it's released, on the day, or 1-2 days after. Pretty quick.

RedBoot

07-16-2003, 01:42 AM

The free shipping is actually pretty quick.

If I order something on a Wednesday, I might get it by the Monday of the next week.

(Well, that's quick for me.....I don't need stuff like..overnight.)

With the pre-orders it's even faster. You can get them before the date it's released, on the day, or 1-2 days after. Pretty quick.

Meh, I just always have bad luck with Amazon's shipping. I ordered (pre-ordered, even) the first volume of Berserk with the series box in May 2002. It came out in June 2002. I received it around September 2002.

But, Amazon stuff is pretty cheap...plus, I don't mind waiting a week or two, I had completely forgotten about the US release of the Big O manga until this thread mentioned it, so a few more days is no problem.

Mynd Hed

07-16-2003, 03:43 AM

No offense to Mynd Head, but you're a day late buddy. I am dying to hear what you have to say about today's episode though.

Yup, lots of work the last couple days-- didn't have time to put up a review until now.

Anyway, on to tonight's episode....

Act VI: Legacy of Amadeus Episode Review

This is probably my least favorite episode of The Big O. It starts out promising enough: some very cute and funny interaction between Roger and Dorothy, followed by a very interesting new character in R. Instro, followed by some good character development on the part of Dorothy. However, things kind of fall apart in the final act, with an overall poor villain in Geiseng, multiple plot problems and a very sappy (not to mention convoluted) conclusion. It was kind of cool to see Big O get decisively defeated for once, though: it makes later mecha battles a little more tense, knowing that Big O can be beaten.

Overall Grade: B- (What can I say, even bad Big O is good. (-: )

Sampo

07-16-2003, 04:34 AM

Two scenes I really liked about "A Legacy Of Amadeus" episode.

Watching Roger drive like a maniac to get to the Amadeus bar so that Dorothy can get piano lessons.

The scene where Roger pulls out his trusty lockpick to enter the bar. Before he can get to work on the lock, Dorothy knocks down the door with one hand :D

PowerZord

07-16-2003, 11:27 AM

Another great ep. But one thing I don't understand. Why it was a No-side? and not a "We have come to terms"

Umino

07-16-2003, 01:23 PM

Question: Why does Instro look like a small boy in the flashbacks?

Wounded_Dragon

07-16-2003, 01:26 PM

Another great ep. But one thing I don't understand. Why it was a No-side? and not a "We have come to terms"

Well, in Roger's opinion, nothing has changed. Dorothy's still going to annoy him with her playing...

pabcool

07-16-2003, 01:28 PM

Another great ep. But one thing I don't understand. Why it was a No-side? and not a "We have come to terms"

You took the words out of my mouth.

An A- for this one. (I've always wanted to see a music-based Big O episode)

Duke

07-16-2003, 01:30 PM

Question: Why does Instro look like a small boy in the flashbacks?

I think the small boy is Amadeus's real son (seen in the photo Roger picks up), who became the basis for Instro because his son died because of whatever.

Bladesong26

07-16-2003, 01:34 PM

Another great ep. But one thing I don't understand. Why it was a No-side? and not a "We have come to terms"
Probably because Roger and Dorothy still haven't come to terms as to the appropriate way to wake Roger up in the morning. Somehow, I don't think they ever will. :)
Well, despite everyone else, I absolutely adored this episode. I study music, so it was a subject close to my heart. The wonderful bit when Instro broke his hands to release himself from Constanze almost made me cry. Hit very close to home. They did cheapen the tragedy a bit by still giving him the ability to play because of his pitch memory, but whatever. Also like how androids have musical talent as opposed to just being programmed to be virtuosos.
This episode really just abounded in meticulous detail; I love it when the creators do their homework. I'm sure most of you know that Amadeus is Mozart's middle name and the episode was full of references to the composer. I'm afraid that I don't know the piano sonatas well enough to say which piece Dorothy and Instro were working on (and even if that was Mozart) but I'm almost positive that Roger's "wake-up call" is by the same composer.
Neatest thing of all: Constanza was the name of Mozart's wife as well as a heroine in one of his operas. I almost fell out of my chair when I they said the robot's name. Let's hear it for details.

NewLib

07-16-2003, 01:40 PM

Is tonight the episode with Daston and the ghost (my memory is fuzzy, it has been a few years)? I remember that being one of my favorite episodes.

PickHut

07-16-2003, 02:43 PM

Is tonight the episode with Daston and the ghost (my memory is fuzzy, it has been a few years)? I remember that being one of my favorite episodes.

I think the episode you're thinking of is Winter Night Phantom. That comes on next Tuesday.....I hope I'm right. :shrug:

ClockStomper

07-16-2003, 05:26 PM

Sorry I'm late to the party. I've been preocupied trying to get my college transcript transfered to the university I'm going to register in, but incompetant idiots aren't doing it, so I'm spending a few hours a day yelling at them.

Okay, I thought this episode had an excellent begining, but the end was too rushed. They should have lingered on the loss of Instro's hands. The robo fights took away from the character-oriented moments.

The problem is I don't like the insistance on having a robo battle every episode. I would have preffered Roger not call Big O and continued to reason with Instro and fight the bad guy on his own (the bad guy had a weapon, so it would have been a better challenge with Roger using his fists or gadgets.)

A-

I hope there are some times coming up where Roger dosen't call Big O to bail him out. There has to be cases not involving robots at some point.

Sheamon

07-16-2003, 05:35 PM

The problem is I don't like the insistance on having a robo battle every episode. I would have preffered Roger not call Big O and continued to reason with Instro and fight the bad guy on his own (the bad guy had a weapon, so it would have been a better challenge with Roger using his fists or gadgets.)
I hope there are some times coming up where Roger dosen't call Big O to bail him out. There has to be cases not involving robots at some point.

Eventually. In a few episodes we'll have some action scenes out of Big O and one episode, unbelievably enough, doesn't feature any Big O fight! :D

Episode 6: A Legacy of Amadeus

Tonight's episode starts a series of character pieces for the next week or so, tonight focusing primarily on Dorothy and her musical talents. Instro is an interesting and sympathetic character who is used good with Dorothy seeing as they are so similar (like the stuff with their 'fathers' for example). Yeah, a rather bad villain (not as worse as Eugene though @_@), but outside of that no flaws and finished up with a touching ending as Instro sacrificed what brought him so much joy when he tore his hands out. And of course more good Dorothy stuff tonight, like knocking down the door as already mentioned.

Grade: A

Greek_Honeybee

07-16-2003, 05:57 PM

Infinity Blade

07-16-2003, 07:02 PM

Beat

07-16-2003, 07:33 PM

Episode starts out with a simple problem, escalates into a plot for vengance, and ends with that simple problem unsolved. Which is funny.

Karl Olson

07-16-2003, 07:45 PM

Small note: The episode that will air tonight is written by Chiaki Konaka. Who is Konaka? One of the Series Supervisors. Why is this significant?

Well, Konaka has also written for Digimon, and was the head writer for Digimon Tamers, the third series. He also worked on Digimon Adventure 02, or at least one episode in particular that I'm thinking of, I do believe...

Why is THIS significant? Well, compare tonight's episode to a certain Adventure 02 episode, and you may recognize a pattern in Konaka's work. Digimon fans that haven't seen this episode should know what I'm talking about pretty quickly upon seeing it, and those that already have should already know what I mean. :p

Konaka also worked on a little show called Serial Experiments: Lain, and is now working with the same crew again on Texhnolyze. She also makes resin dolls in her spare time and plays bass in a band.

really... I don't try to remember this stuff, it just happens somehow.

I've been really enjoying Big O's reairing. I've just been a little busy to review persay.

Animation Otaku

07-16-2003, 09:53 PM

Yeah, Konaka's work on Lain and Digimon was great, part of the reason I loved Tamers so much, and we have a really good episode tonight.

Duke

07-16-2003, 10:50 PM

Why is THIS significant? Well, compare tonight's episode to a certain Adventure 02 episode, and you may recognize a pattern in Konaka's work. Digimon fans that haven't seen this episode should know what I'm talking about pretty quickly upon seeing it, and those that already have should already know what I mean. :p

Lemme guess, the episode where Cody gets the DigiEgg of Reliability?

Infinity Blade

07-16-2003, 10:59 PM

Yeah, I know about Konaka's work on Lain too. Sadly, that series I have not seen. Though I want to, if only for my love of Big O and Tamers.

Lemme guess, the episode where Cody gets the DigiEgg of Reliability?

He shoots! HE... just misses. ^^;; But thanks for playing. ;)

Karl Olson

07-16-2003, 11:12 PM

Yeah, I know about Konaka's work on Lain too. Sadly, that series I have not seen. Though I want to, if only for my love of Big O and Tamers.

I've not seen Lain either, though I've seen an episode of Texhnolyze, and I can't for the stateside release in early 2004. It's probably the most avant-garde anime since Angel's Egg (which I also can't wait for the stateside release).

Duke

07-16-2003, 11:13 PM

He shoots! HE... just misses. ^^;; But thanks for playing. ;)

OK, the only other underwater episode was when they were trying to save the one Destiny Stone from BlackWarGreymon, when he did that Moses-thing and Angemon saved Cody & Armadillomon from being killed.

ClockStomper

07-16-2003, 11:51 PM

Duke

07-16-2003, 11:56 PM

It was clearly the Draggomon episode (dub title: His Master's Voice) where the Scubamon turned into Lain characters. Creepy episode it looked like, too bad for the crappy dubbing (the personification of evil making jokes about moldy pizza= mood killer.)

Do'h! Forgot about that episode! Probably because it had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE REST OF THE PLOT! (Damn you, all other 02 writers!)

Animation Otaku

07-17-2003, 12:30 AM

Yeah, the Dagomon episode seemed like it was setting up something biggeer but it ended up going no where. This episode was a very good one, and the first time we saw a real focus on Angel, plus Dorothy had some good scenes too.

Tienshin

07-17-2003, 12:32 AM

Hmmm...a higher power at work. I missed this episode back in the day, but its new to me! Dorothy is priceless. Bootyrockin' ep.

Duke

07-17-2003, 12:34 AM

Ah, one of my favorite episodes. Some funny scenes involving Norman, Dorothy's observations, and the interplay between Roger and Angel. That, and a pretty cool fight sequence and more mystery behind Alex Rosewater. I love those shots of Big O in the shadows with just it's eyes glowing and maybe a few pieces shown, especially near the end.

RedBoot

07-17-2003, 12:35 AM

Ah, yes, the Dragomon episode. It hinted at a plot that could have been full of potential, yet it turned out as a gaping plot hole. Oh well.

I loved tonight's ep, it was the one that finally made me decide I wanted to become a Big O fanboy. I agree that sometimes the giant robo fights seem out of place, but tonight's was great, with the Big O theme kicking in at just the right time. (Not to mention Dorothy's timely comment on why men love cheesy battle cries...)

And then we also have Angel prancing around half-nekkid the whole time...heh.

Oh, and another thing about Angel: (SPOILERS THRU EP.13)
The marks on her back seem to have once been wings...I have lots of theories about Angel, one being that she is a foreigner (a person from outside the domes) and another that she is Big Duo's true pilot, but I could never think of anything to explain the "wings"...any theories?

Wounded_Dragon

07-17-2003, 12:36 AM

Bah. Don't waste time flirting with Angel Roger, she'll just end up getting you killed.

Norman was priceless, as well as Dorothy.

NewLib

07-17-2003, 12:36 AM

I love my Angelcakes. :D

Duke

07-17-2003, 12:37 AM

Oh, and another thing about Angel:
The marks on her back seem to have once been wings...I have lots of theories about Angel, one being that she is a foreigner (a person from outside the domes) and another that she is Big Duo's true pilot, but I could never think of anything to explain the "wings"...any theories?

Eh, maybe she's really a fallen angel? Who knows? With this show, I wouldn't even rule out alien intervention...

Dark

07-17-2003, 12:37 AM

So here's the question du jour: Whats the deal with the feedback in the last fiive seconds of the opening titles? Is that supposed to be in there or is WS using a lousy audio recording? Another great episode, exactly what I've come to expect from this series. I loved the scars on angel's back, another interesting character added to the development mix.

DianaGohan

07-17-2003, 12:38 AM

Trying To Recover Memories Under The Sea And Angel's Third Appearnce all in the Big O "The Call From The Past" Episode Review.

This was truley a great episode. I also liked the "being in a situation that makes you go "WTF" which is explained in Flashbacks" form of storytelling in this episode. Telling of how Roger tried to Negoiate the price of fish only to find out none of the fisherman were going out to sea because of the Titan that lived there, and the minions of the Titan who they saw near the ocean. Obviously, Roger investigates this, and finds that there are memories located within the bottom of the sea where the Titan dwells, and tries to secure a submarine in order to get there. However, Angel manages to buy it and use it before he can start, but he manages to jump on just in time (Roger apparently has some mad jumping skills) and after being attacked by the minions of the Titan, managed to end up trapped within an underwater building. One of the things I didn't like about this episode was the "Hero has to hide secret identity/ a secret weapon from person he/she is traveling with" but that's okay because they didn't dwell on it too much. Instead, Roger and Angel had an intresting discussion on the memories that the Titan may have and how Angel is trying to make a profit of these memories for herself. Of course, the highlight here was Dorothy, with her very clever and humorous one liners ("Why do men say things like that?" among other such lines) and then piloting Megadus to the building Roger was at instead of Norman (who seemed really psyched to do it himself. Probably wanted to get out of the house for once or something). Nothing really exciting with the Robot of the day fight today, although it was quick enough for nothing that important to happen, and notice how Angel looked at Big O after it smashed the Memories of the Titan? Looks like Megadus has another "fan". Hey, we even have the old "shady villian pulls things from behind the strings" and "Title Music during Battle" themes in today's episode, all done fairly well. I give this episode an A.

Duke

07-17-2003, 12:40 AM

BTW, to answer Dorothy's question: We men say those kinds of things because they sound cool and are fun to shout out. :D :anime: :p

NewLib

07-17-2003, 12:41 AM

Oh yeah the episode.

I have always found Angel to be a more interesting character than R Dorothy. Maybe thats just my eyes speaking, but her past seems to be one of the big mysteries.

Great scenes with Norman/Dorothy.

This is my third favorite episode of the series behind a certain episode centered around our favorite military police officer and the BIG episode of the series.

Chrono1995

07-17-2003, 12:48 AM

Eh, maybe she's really a fallen angel? Who knows? With this show, I wouldn't even rule out alien intervention...

I believe in one of the earlier episodes, Angel has referred to herself as a fallen angel. I don't know which one it was in, possibly episode 4. The theories hold a lot of grounding though, mainly because of I've heard about the second season - and that is that it Big O Season 2 plunges headfirst into religious references.

All in all, a wonderful episode. I particularly liked the way it was written, instead of the usual "start to finish" approach (not that there's anything wrong with that). The ending REALLY leaves you hanging, and this is why I can't wait for the last two episodes of Season 1, which along with "Winter Night Phantom" are my favorites.

The scenes with Norman were hilarious, but Dorothy's comment about men and Roger's catch phrases were priceless.

After this episode, Big O started getting edited more heavily on Toonami, so starting with "Missing Cat", the uncut atribute of this show really benefits.

BigFire

07-17-2003, 01:21 AM

Wounded_Dragon

07-17-2003, 02:47 AM

This episode also emphasizes how certain bits of information/memory seem to have been selectively deleted. No one know what a submarine is? Skyscrapers under water called reefs?

Dorothy again demonstrating her mad ninja jumping skills along with her sharp wit.

I personally never got the fascination with Angel. Yeah, she's a hottie who stripped for an episode (though she still ended up in an outfit remarkably close to what Faye Valentine usually wore). Mysterious she is, but not so much as to make her stand out from any of the other characters.

Also, I guess part of my distate stems from a bad taste left from seeing how many fanfic authors match Roger and Angel up romantically.

ClockStomper

07-17-2003, 04:06 AM

This episode also emphasizes how certain bits of information/memory seem to have been selectively deleted. No one know what a submarine is? Skyscrapers under water called reefs?

Now I understand why people under 40 complain about loss of memory. They've lost so much besides personal memories, they've lost the history of earth. Can you imagine not knowing dinosaurs existed? Can you imagine thinking travel to the moon was impossible? can you imagine never knowing the internet existed? Sure paper records are around, but not anything so comprehensive and specific like you could look up on the net.

If I lost my memories I could look up who my relatives were, but they'd mean nothing to me without remembering why they were each signifigant to me. It would be more of a blow if I didn't know what the hell half the various objects in my suroundings were.

Ah, yes, the Dragomon episode. It hinted at a plot that could have been full of potential, yet it turned out as a gaping plot hole. Oh well.

I still think it was the best episode of the Kaizer saga. At that point they were still doing this "let's hang around with the same kinds of digimon we've seen before and convieniently find our digimentals when the 01 kid with the same crest shows up" formula.

Not only that, I loved the animation (with cool gray shading) and overall more serious and creepy tone of the episode.

Sampo

07-17-2003, 04:45 AM

Hmm... during this episode did anyone notice the duct tape/patches that were holding Big O together? :D You see them surrounding the hatch when Roger enters the cockpit and you see them again plastered on the wall during a shot of Roger and Dorothy.

Also during this episode the idea that "memories" can be stored in machines is brought up again along with the concept of "memories" being a commodity (maybe placed on a black market?) When I first saw this series I didn't understand this... Heh even now I do not understand how or even why a rogue megadeus would contain these "memories" which use to belong to the people of Paradigm City?

Sampo

07-17-2003, 05:50 AM

Now I understand why people under 40 complain about loss of memory. They've lost so much besides personal memories, they've lost the history of earth. Can you imagine not knowing dinosaurs existed? Can you imagine thinking travel to the moon was impossible? can you imagine never knowing the internet existed? Sure paper records are around, but not anything so comprehensive and specific like you could look up on the net.
....

Just imagine if a nation in real life created weapon that can destroy memories similar to this. Dang who would need a nuke? Use one of these things and you can easily cripple an entire nation. The target's defenses, industries, and economy would fall apart as people couldn't remember the chain of command, what commonly used items are called, or even the value of their own currency.

BTW, I thought Roger said (during a narration) that the elderly were the ones who suffered the most due to the lack of memories? As for the younger folk, Roger mentioned that they adapted and moved on with their lives.

NachoHat

07-17-2003, 10:17 AM

The Call From the Past: Great episode. I really liked the format and the whole mood of it. The whole thing actually reminded me of Radiohead's video for Pyramid Song, what with the sunken buildings and such. Though brief, the Big O fight in this episode was quite cool. A

And since I didn't review it yesterday...

Legacy of Amadeus: I never really watched Big O that seriously when it came on Toonami but this episode always stuck out to me for one reason or another. Instro's really great for a one shot character. Giseng was a decent character but nothing really great. Maybe if his design didn't just scream "HAY GUYS I'M EVIL!", he'd be a little more interesting. A

herbkir

07-17-2003, 10:54 AM

The attention to detail in Big O is amazing. For instance, in the scene last night from an outside view where a large fish swims past the window, the fish is identifiable as a coelacanth, a living fossil from the age of dinosaurs that has survived to the present day. (A symbol of the lost past, perhaps, like the 50's-vintage red Ferrari coupe that Roger bullied out of his way on the drive to meet Instro in the Amadeus episode.) And Dorothy's ascerbic comments on Norman's plumbing repair effort and Roger's battle cries had me going. (^_*)

saladdays

07-17-2003, 12:40 PM

So what's up? 40 years ago there was something that caused a whole city to end up underwater? And why would it be so far below the level of Paradigm City? I mean, it there some sort of giant flood or something, the city under the water would have been thousand of feet below Paradigm City. And how is the building that Roger and Angel are in undamaged enough that water doesn't leak through and so they could still breathe?

Infinity Blade

07-17-2003, 01:54 PM

Don't have much to say about the episode at the moment other than I loved it. Always have. One of my favorites, by far. ^^

Anyway, my reason for bringing up the Digimon episode Konaka worked on is because it not only parallels this one, but shows off a pattern that Konaka loves to use...

Check out this page, from the Digimon Encyclopedia (http://www.angelfire.com/anime2/digipedia/): http://www.digibros.net/~digipedia/misc/trivia.htm
Specifically, the "Call of Cthulhu" and "The One-Track Mind of Chiaki Konaka" sections.

Basically, Konaka's a big Lovecraft fan. :p

Mynd Hed

07-17-2003, 01:56 PM

Act VII: Call From the Past Episode Review

Ah, this one is a personal favorite. Dorothy gets a tad less screen time than a lot of the Dorothy fanboys and -girls would like, but she makes the most of what she has with some great lines. We get a little more background on Angel, and some nice interaction between her and Roger. This episode showcases all that was lost in the cataclysm forty years ago, all the technology and history that has to be rediscovered, as well as showing that other folks besides the citizens of Paradigm (the so-called "servants of the sea titan") are finding other ways to survive in this brave new world. This is going to become increasingly important in later episodes.

Overall Grade: A

So what's up? 40 years ago there was something that caused a whole city to end up underwater? And why would it be so far below the level of Paradigm City? I mean, it there some sort of giant flood or something, the city under the water would have been thousand of feet below Paradigm City. And how is the building that Roger and Angel are in undamaged enough that water doesn't leak through and so they could still breathe?

My guess is that the "underwater city" is Manhattan Island, and it wound up at the bottom of the ocean through a combination of a rise in the global sea level and volcanic activity and/or earthquakes-- it probably sank right into the sea, Atlantis-style. As to how the building Roger and Angel are in is so undamaged-- doesn't seem likely if there was volcanic activity, plus the fact that it was almost certainly NOT designed to be waterproof in the first place-- I'm guessing those wacky "Servants of the Sea Titan" in their scuba suits have probably been refurbishing the buildings down there to fashion themselves a place to live outside of the shadow of Paradigm Corporation. They do seem to have some technological knowledge that most folks have forgotten, after all.

Michael

07-17-2003, 02:06 PM

great epsiode i thought! i think angel and roger are good together, kinda like a good pair the way they play off eachother

Beat

07-17-2003, 02:11 PM

Dorthy being used as a visual gag (the things men do to amuse themselves), complete with unanswered questions (where did Angel get those scars?) leads to a good ep.

saladdays

07-17-2003, 03:19 PM

My guess is that the "underwater city" is Manhattan Island, and it wound up at the bottom of the ocean through a combination of a rise in the global sea level and volcanic activity and/or earthquakes-- it probably sank right into the sea, Atlantis-style. As to how the building Roger and Angel are in is so undamaged-- doesn't seem likely if there was volcanic activity, plus the fact that it was almost certainly NOT designed to be waterproof in the first place-- I'm guessing those wacky "Servants of the Sea Titan" in their scuba suits have probably been refurbishing the buildings down there to fashion themselves a place to live outside of the shadow of Paradigm Corporation. They do seem to have some technological knowledge that most folks have forgotten, after all.

Yeah, after I posted that I thought that it does make sense that those "servants" would have made that building waterproof, and also would explain how there is air down there too.

As far as the earthquake thing goes, I didn't even think that that could have been caused by an earthquake. :o Anyway, that does make sense, but why would it be Manhattan Island? Did I miss something in the show implying that they are in the area of present-day New York?

Bladesong26

07-17-2003, 03:32 PM

I guess part of my distate stems from a bad taste left from seeing how many fanfic authors match Roger and Angel up romantically.
Well, after last night's episode, I have to say that such an arrangement has merit. There's a fair amount of tension between them. I got a kick out of Roger's line "Here I am, trapped with a beautiful woman and she won't even throw herself into my arms and beg me to save her!" Quite impressive though, that he didn't even bat an eyelash when she stripped down to practically her underwear without warning.
Oh and Angel? You go, girl! :) I guess if you've got it, flaunt it. I'm a little surprised that Dorothy didn't make some caustic remark about finding Roger with Angel in such a state of undress, since Dorothy doesn't seem to like her much, but oh well. She still got the best lines in this episode.

saladdays

07-17-2003, 03:57 PM

In Bring back my Ghost Bonny falls into the Hudson River which is in New York.

OK. I missed quite a bit of that episode.

CaptainRed

07-17-2003, 04:41 PM

Cappy Red; In Action!

So what's up? 40 years ago there was something that caused a whole city to end up underwater? And why would it be so far below the level of Paradigm City? I mean, it there some sort of giant flood or something, the city under the water would have been thousand of feet below Paradigm City. And how is the building that Roger and Angel are in undamaged enough that water doesn't leak through and so they could still breathe?

Part of New York City is already built on land that should by rights be underwater. The date forty years ago has to be either in '04 or some time after it. It's possible that in the time before the cataclysm, a large section of the harbor, or perhaps a chunk out of the ocean side was drained and built upon. When the cataclysm came, either directly(more likely) or by gradual disrepair, the retaining walls failed, and that section of the city was flooded.

As for the building Roger and Angel took shelter in, the problem isn't water leaking in, but air leaking out. So long as the building is sealed from the top down(or at least from the top of that room down), Roger and Angel are fine. Factors to worry about are the quality of the windows in relation to how much pressure the water made against them in its initial impact. Once all exits for the air were sealed(and the bottom one was blocked, the pressure would equalize.

I'll have to watch the episode again(which I'd do anyway :¬), but I don't think any of the buildings I saw neared a thousand feet. At twelve feet a story, it would take 83 or so of them, and if memory serves even with the water above the roof tops they were at least several hundred feet short of a thousand. Yeah, pressure would still mean Roger and Angel were in deep crud, but it would make it more plausable for that sunken borough to exist. :¬)

Meh... might make more comment on these episodes later. Suffice it to say I liked them(a lot). :¬)

*honk*
Cappy "It's a megastraightflush!" Red

Artemis

07-17-2003, 05:30 PM

I always loved the Butler in this episode. I think I cracked up more than I was supposed to. XD

Sheamon

07-17-2003, 05:59 PM

Episode 7: A Call from the Past
Tonight's episode has a rather interesting thing for Roger to negotiate - the price of fish!? Results in quite an interesting episode with Roger and Angel being trapped together, providing some nice development for this mysterious woman. Dorothy and Norman's roles are small in this episode, but provide nicely to the episode nonetheless. And the lack of a goofy villain, which is in both episodes surrounding it, is certain a plus.

Grade: A

G1Ravage

07-17-2003, 06:45 PM

In Bring back my Ghost Bonny falls into the Hudson River which is in New York.

And in that same episode, they say street names like "West 34th Street" and "7th Ave Dome".

And in episode three, "Electric City," Roger drives over a bridge that looks a LOT like the Brooklyn Bridge.

lostrune

07-17-2003, 06:47 PM

In Bring back my Ghost Bonny falls into the Hudson River which is in New York.

There's also more clues later on.

GWB and JFK. Anyone familiar with NYC will know what those mean.

Wounded_Dragon

07-17-2003, 07:37 PM

Well, after last night's episode, I have to say that such an arrangement has merit. There's a fair amount of tension between them. I got a kick out of Roger's line "Here I am, trapped with a beautiful woman and she won't even throw herself into my arms and beg me to save her!" Quite impressive though, that he didn't even bat an eyelash when she stripped down to practically her underwear without warning.
Oh and Angel? You go, girl! :) I guess if you've got it, flaunt it. I'm a little surprised that Dorothy didn't make some caustic remark about finding Roger with Angel in such a state of undress, since Dorothy doesn't seem to like her much, but oh well. She still got the best lines in this episode.

Aye, but the problem is, as usual, fanfic authors not understanding the characters. When they do match them up, the authors try to make Roger and Angel live happily ever after. That just does not match up with what goes on in the show.

Sure, Angel and Dorothy are both danger prone. However, while Dorothy tends to occassionally attract trouble, Angel seeks it out in spades. When Angel appears, it's like a big neon sign lighting up saying the crap is about to hit the fan.

In addition, they try and write her as a damsel and not a bad girl. If you want an easy parallel, imagine if they wrote Faye Valentine like Julia. It's just...bleh.

SSJPabs

07-17-2003, 08:09 PM

Aye, but the problem is, as usual, fanfic authors not understanding the characters. When they do match them up, the authors try to make Roger and Angel live happily ever after. That just does not match up with what goes on in the show. [...]

In addition, they try and write her as a damsel and not a bad girl. If you want an easy parallel, imagine if they wrote Faye Valentine like Julia. It's just...bleh.

Well even bad girls have vulnerable sides. What I appreciate most about Big-O is that they build enough tension and chemistry into Roger's relationships with both Angel and Dorothy that you can picture him ending up with either one. In my fanfic I just had Roger meet up with a new girl, so much easier ;)

Bladesong26

07-17-2003, 08:20 PM

Aye, but the problem is, as usual, fanfic authors not understanding the characters.
Do they ever? :D *ducks impending flames* Seriously though, good fan fiction does exist. It's just few and far between.

[/QUOTE]Sure, Angel and Dorothy are both danger prone. However, while Dorothy tends to occassionally attract trouble, Angel seeks it out in spades. When Angel appears, it's like a big neon sign lighting up saying the crap is about to hit the fan.[/QUOTE]

Fab. It's not noir unless there's a femme fatale.

Wounded_Dragon

07-17-2003, 08:38 PM

Hmm... during this episode did anyone notice the duct tape/patches that were holding Big O together? :D You see them surrounding the hatch when Roger enters the cockpit and you see them again plastered on the wall during a shot of Roger and Dorothy.

Well, this may tie into the fact that

Big O appears to be a land model of attack mecha. I doubt it functions at anywhere near its peak underwater.

Someone else was mentioning small touches. I wonder if Angel stripping off her pink suit down to her black undergarments was a deliberate color attmept to symbolize innocence being removed for maturity...

And femme fatales are fine as long as authors remember that.

RedBoot

07-17-2003, 08:51 PM

Well even bad girls have vulnerable sides. What I appreciate most about Big-O is that they build enough tension and chemistry into Roger's relationships with both Angel and Dorothy that you can picture him ending up with either one. In my fanfic I just had Roger meet up with a new girl, so much easier ;)

Bah. The Big O fic I had planned to write (only got a couple of pages done, might go back to it someday) was going to focus on Roger, Dastun, and Alex Rosewater, with little to no Dorothy or Angel. I just don't seem to write females well...probably because I'm a guy.

I agree though that the one thing you must do in fanfiction is keep true to the characters. That's why all the Spike/Faye fics annoy me so much, it'd be against their characteristics for them to get together.

G1Ravage

07-17-2003, 10:07 PM

There's also more clues later on.

GWB and JFK. Anyone familiar with NYC will know what those mean.

OH YEAH!!!! From episode 12!! I forgot!!! :eek:

Apparently, tonight will be the first Big O episode rated TV-14!! :D

Infinity Blade

07-17-2003, 10:12 PM

Apparently, tonight will be the first Big O episode rated TV-14!! :D

*ponders* ...oh yeah, tonight is "Missing Cat"... heh.

Still, although I can see the reason why, I'm almost sort of surprised it'd be getting that due to the lack of much blood... though I guess it still IS pretty brutal...

NewLib

07-17-2003, 11:05 PM

So you mean the only surviving city is TRENTON? How the hell does the hellhole of the world (New Jersey) survive over the rest of the world? :p In the Big O, God has a twisted sense of humor

Cyporiean

07-17-2003, 11:39 PM

Big-O 2 Incredibly Minor
From the events in episode 14, the city must be NYC.

Behonkiss

07-18-2003, 12:03 AM

Eeeeeeeeeeeew.

EDIT: :eek: Well, the Uncut portion is starting to come out.

panther3751

07-18-2003, 12:29 AM

This is my favorite episode of Big O.

Possibly one of my favorite animated episodes of all time.

:anime:

Going to sleep now. . . .

NewLib

07-18-2003, 12:30 AM

Got to love the symbolism in this series.

Tienshin

07-18-2003, 12:30 AM

My god. This ep brought the wood. Seriously. Bullet holes and a pissed off Roger.

BTW, I love Dorothy...I was incredibly upset that she was androidnapped. But getting 'smore screentime for her character development is fine with me.

And Norman...talk about bringing heat with class, elegance, and a friggin howitzer. Lovely. Oh, look Angel! She brings disaster to the table, Roger should ask Dorothy to give her a BIG hug.

So the Android has feelings, and Roger cares for the android. I will be back, same Big O time, same Big O channel.

Sheamon

07-18-2003, 12:30 AM

Episode 8: Missing Cat
An incredibly lame villain aside, this is a great episode that continues to flesh out Dorothy and make her more human-like and sympathetic. Perro's an adorable little cat (gotta love him in that little suit :p) and its very nice to see the scenes of her with him. In addition we continue to delve on the pursuit of memories by Angel/Paradigm although the Dorothy stuff is what makes the episode so good. Its also pretty cool to see Norman sporting the machine gun, can't decide what I like better though that, or him on the motorcycle in a few eps :p Anyway, nice to see the edits put back in I'm surprised at just how much was cut when this was on Toonami. Probably a top 5 episode with me.

Duke

07-18-2003, 12:33 AM

Wow. Awesome eppie today. Dorothy showed some emotion, Norman finally uses his big gun (anybody know if he uses it in Big O Season 2?), and Roger finally gets pissed off.

DianaGohan

07-18-2003, 12:35 AM

Animals Are People! Don't Believe Me. Then check out the Big O "Missing Cat" Episode Review and be proven wrong.

This was a great Big O Episode. The pacing seemed diffrent then other episodes of the series. That's okay though. It was intresting to see the parallel between Dorothy's first visit to the alleyway and finding Pero there and then coming back to the end. You could see subltey how Dorothy's affection towards it grew and how she really did not want to loose it when the real owners came. Then the story went in a whole other direction when that chopter came and started gunning down the couple and kindnapping Dorothy and Pero. Nice use of firearms by Norman, even if it didn't seem affective. The regular payment scene (used in other episodes) as well as Roger's general attidue to the situation seemed diffrent then other times, and with good reason. He's pretty darn mad now about what happen and even said this is one he won't "Negoiate". Then we get introudced to Eugene, whose a pretty eccentric twisted character, splicing all those people to change into the rare type of animal life seen in Paradime City. And another Angel apperance as well. And the first time Roger uses a gun (Like Batman he really dislikes using Guns, and like Vash he won't try to shoot anyone if necessary, but rather shoot the enviornment to end the fight). Of course, Angel must get knocked out so Big O can get called out, but that's my only real gripe here. Then ending was solid: Having Pero's soul be inside that Giant Guard Creature of Eugene and then having Dorothy connect with it and have it crush that Eccentric Doctor in a very fitting death, and then of course Pero going back inside in the flaming building and probably biting the Big one. Very powerful stuff here, which I give an A+ to.

Umino

07-18-2003, 12:37 AM

MY.FAVORITE.EPISODE. The part I liked best with the freakish villain, Eugene. He's ideas were so twisted and sick. Eugene also reminds of manga Prof. Tomoe since they both kinda did the same thing. Tomoe called himself "a god", and works on beings too. Tomoe also

Turned Hotaru into a cyborg, kinda (note: KINDA) like what Eugene did with Roy

Overall this episode gets an: A+
For creepish, Big O action, and a sad conclusion with a light of hope.

BTW Did Eugene's head come off at the end? That shadow of him looked like a head....

Tienshin

07-18-2003, 12:42 AM

Chobit Umino, swing and a miss on the spoiler box. Thats right. Big miss.

Umino

07-18-2003, 12:54 AM

There! Happy? :p

The Landstander

07-18-2003, 12:58 AM

Awesome. Just excellent, loved this episode. Noticed the religious themes people are talking about (even though I'm betting this was weaker when compared to later episodes). The opening Roger/Dorothy interaction was good, the helicopter attack was cool (I loved when Alfred started fighting back with a machine gun...that was funny), and the villian/"creation of life" storyline/Roger & Angel in his lab was great. Even the robot fight got interesting when it was revealed the monster was the cat. Once again, the last episode of the week was the best of the week.

Wounded_Dragon

07-18-2003, 01:01 AM

Hmm...perhaps the "Ye Not Guilty" might be tied to why Roger won't shoot people?

I don't know why Roger bothers hiding it. Unless Angel really is a stereotypical dumb blonde, I think she'd figure out he pilots Big O by now.

Or perhaps he's counting on Big O's reputation? It seemed pretty obvious that Act 01 wasn't the first time Big O appearing in Paradigm City.

Dorothy showing a lot more character today. Maybe not in the face but everywhere else.

Love Norman's scene.

Detra

07-18-2003, 01:11 AM

I have to say that this episode was terrific. I remember this show from it's Toonami run, and I enjoyed it much, but it seems I've never seen like half the episode.

I loved the pseudo-God villian, creating life through science. The big crosses in the background were terrific, gotta love the symbolism. Felt bad for Pero at the end, but much better then creating some contrived way for Pero to become a normal cat again. All in all, great episode.

Tienshin

07-18-2003, 01:18 AM

There! Happy? :p

Hey, just letting you know.

Dorothy running from Roger on the roof after reminding him that he was a negotiator, and that negotiating was his job. (*thats not a real sentence, nor a complete one at that*)

Um, so she thought...

Jesus, I got nothing. Good night!

Wounded_Dragon

07-18-2003, 02:13 AM

Last semi-coherent note of the night from me.

Roger doesn't use guns....but Norman has a machine gun close enough to pull out and use on intruders?

PickHut

07-18-2003, 02:46 AM

I loved that part where Norman pulls out his machine gun. :D It would of caught me off guard when I originally saw the episode, but that one Toonami ad spoiled it for me. Great episode.

As for what I give this week's Big O episodes:

Bring Back My Ghost: B+
A Legacy Of Amadeus: A
The Call From the Past: A
Missing Cat: A

Mynd Hed

07-18-2003, 02:57 AM

Small note: I believe in the dub version of the dialogue, Eugene only refers to himself as "the creator" or some such. However, in the subtitle version, he comes right out and says, "I am the God of this new world." I could be wrong about the exact wording, though, as I haven't seen the episode in some time. (It's just about to air in my part of the country, but I've got to go to bed now. I'll be back sometime tomorrow afternoon with a fuller review.)

Duke

07-18-2003, 02:58 AM

Question: Is the city called Paradime or Paradign? I remember seeing Paradign somewhere before, but I forget now...

ClockStomper

07-18-2003, 03:48 AM

Paradigm

Good episode, especially with Norman packing heat. The scientist with the jurrasic park scheme, Eugene (ironicly voiced by Agumon, an orange dinosaur) sure had a lot of crosses for lighting...

And poor R. Dorothy...

Sampo

07-18-2003, 04:34 AM

Last semi-coherent note of the night from me.

Roger doesn't use guns....but Norman has a machine gun close enough to pull out and use on intruders?

Hmm.. This is my opinion: Just because Roger does not believe in using guns doesn't mean he forces others to follow his beliefs as well. Also, I don't think its one of his house rules. Hey if you lived in Paradigm city, wouldn't you have a big machine gun nearby with those crazy lunatics and rogue megadeuses running around?

Two favorite scenes from this episode.

Norman with his big machine gun :D

Pero wearing that cute tuxedo due to him being a grey cat.

During this episode we see another interesting aftereffect of the mass amnesia that occured years ago. Cats and Dogs are rare animals that are extremely valuable? Dang! Furthermore, it was creepy that the scientist used PEOPLE as raw material for animals. Heh, usually it the other way around.

Mmmm... hot dogs... *Drooool*

SSJPabs

07-18-2003, 04:48 AM

Paradigm -- One that serves as a pattern or model. A set of assumptions, concepts, values, and practices that constitutes a way of viewing reality for the community that shares them...

Pretty much fits the bill eh?

Oh yeah, this episode gets a B+ from me. For the week we have
B
A
A
and
B+

Big-O continues to deliver the goods.

Yal

07-18-2003, 05:44 AM

I love this trend of sympathetic monsters. First Instro, then the Sea Titan, and now poor Pero. One of my major complaints with modern stoytelling is the tend towards one-dimensional villians who exist only so the hero has someone to beat up on...

Unfortunately, everything they did right in Pero they did wrong in Eugene. I've seen dozens of reinterpretations of Dr. Frankenstien (the movie version, the book wasn't about the outrages of science, it was about a beautiful soul trapped in the ugly body of the "monster"), and that has got be the worst. He was just so over the top. If he had a been perfectly reasonable sociopath with who had simply decided that animals were worth some human suffering, he would have been a thousand times more disturbing than the yellow teeth and the voice that could crack glass.

Still, excellent episode over all. Too much was done too well to hold Eugene against it.

Duke

07-18-2003, 09:11 AM

Pero wearing that cute tuxedo due to him being a grey cat.

Though it did look somewhat cute on Pero, I hated that scene for the sole fact as I don't believe cats & dogs should EVER wear clothes.

Infinity Blade

07-18-2003, 09:29 AM

Dr. Eugene Grant - You will believe Agumon can sound like a psychopathic nutjob.

Anyway... damn. I loved the episode, but it's hard to decide WHAT my favorite episode is now, I'm realizing... aw, what the heck, I'll just say every episode from "Call From The Past" and up are my favorites. :p ...well, except for the one I haven't seen much of, but I'm sure I'll like that one too. ^^;

Delthayre

07-18-2003, 09:35 AM

"Missing Cat" is the first episode of The Big O that is completely new to me as I had only previously seen as far as the first two volumes of the DVD go ("A Call from the Past), and it's a very welcome sight. Lia Sargent's portrayal of Dorothy, which I had always liked, really impressed me in this episode. The main villain's voice was annoying at times, but tolerable and well scripted. I hadn't realized just how well the emotions of the characters are handeled in the series, they are convincingly played and subtley handeled.

And Norman had a huge machine gun, I loved that.

shoujoaifan

07-18-2003, 09:56 AM

And Monday's episode won't let up on the character development either, heehee...

BTW, to add my free nickel's worth of input which people would rather just have the five cents, another problem pairing Roger up with Angel is that she's one of the BAD guys! She works for Paridigm, and while she's never shot at him, she was going drive off and leave Roger for dead back at the power plant when the serpent struck. If they're to pair up, either the show is going to have her reform or the fanfics ( if well written which some are ) are going to have to do it.

Zara

07-18-2003, 11:18 AM

Wow. What a great episode. Dorothy has become my favorite character to watch. I liked the angry Roger angle from tonight's episode. I agree with DianaGohan's viewpoint on the different pacing in "Missing Cat".

I'm not an avid anime viewer (I'm one of the ASC people ;) ), but I do watch the anime shown on Adult Swim. I'm always open to new and different experiences. I can say this is the first anime series I've seen that I actually make time and look forward to the next episode. I always taped Trigun and watched it when I could, but I won't miss an episode of Big O.

I've got it so bad, that I even have a WAV of the Big O theme that plays when I start up my computer at work in the morning. "Big O, Big O - O - O..."

Umino

07-18-2003, 11:22 AM

Does anyone know if Eugene appears in the manga? I think I saw a manga image of him once....

Beat

07-18-2003, 01:31 PM

I want a butler with a big-ass machine gun.

Anyway, besides the one-dimensional villian (same obsessive-complusive type as usual with the human villians) we got a good ep. Dorthy really seems to be coming into her own, and becoming a far more likable character than other people like her. (coughReicough)

CaptainRed

07-18-2003, 01:34 PM

Well, I'm cooked. That episode really kicked my ass(which is what I look for in dramatic entertainment :¬).

That act was so well put together that I didn't start taking it apart on the first watchthrough. Took two watches to raise some interpretive thoughts, and as for symbolism, that will take several more.

This one could go as a gripe or a question- why did Angel throw her gun to Roger(rather than firing it herself)? Was it that she wanted to remain semi-officially uninvolved(ie not shooting anyone herself while on security cameras), or that she had a second weapon?

The other thing I noticed was that Dorothy actually yelled out Roger's name to the Megadeus while beseeching him to stop attacking Pero/Chimera. That means that Eugene learned Roger's secret(for a little while, anyway :D), and possibly also Angel(though I have the largest of suspicions that she knows it already(and has at least since "Call from the Past")). Very sloppy Dorothy. :¬}

As to Roger and keeping his connection a secret- Megadeuses(for lack of a better pluralization) aren't exactly common. Further, the one he uses is fairly well known and associated with some fairly extensive property damage. Both those facts suggest that knowledge of his connection would attract some very unpleasant attention. Further, Angel, at least in the persona she advertises, it more than slightly mercenary. Though Rosewater may know already, others might pay for such information.

Other reactions: Pero in the suit was cute. I laughed when Norman pulled out the, erm, BFG. Then I felt bad about laughing considering what had just happened and what was going on. And now I'm chuckling again thinking about that. Eugene wasn't that bad... more a means to an end(but not the usual end) and fine as that. With all the crosses and characters standing across them in Eugene's lab, I'm surprised this show was on Toonami(yeah, edited, but sheesh. :¬). Overall, really looking forward to watching this episode again to pick more stuff out.

As for what I give this week's Big O episodes:

Bring Back My Ghost: B+
A Legacy Of Amadeus: A
The Call From the Past: A
Missing Cat: A

I could go with those scores. Only places I might differ would be on Call from the Past(A-) and Missing Cat(A+).

Oh yeah- I noticed in the first or second acts that the name of the bar Roger meets Big Ear in is "Speakeasy". I love that. :¬)

*honk*
Cappy "woo! Stories with Chimeras = fun!(especially morally conflicted ones)" Red

Bladesong26

07-18-2003, 01:54 PM

This one could go as a gripe or a question- why did Angel throw her gun to Roger(rather than firing it herself)? Was it that she wanted to remain semi-officially uninvolved(ie not shooting anyone herself while on security cameras), or that she had a second weapon?

That means that Eugene learned Roger's secret(for a little while, anyway :D), and possibly also Angel(though I have the largest of suspicions that she knows it already(and has at least since "Call from the Past")).

I could have sworn Angel had a second weapon. You know, Roger was a pretty good shot, despite his distaste for guns, which I assume came from his days as a cop. I don't suppose we'll ever find out why he left the force?
I also assumed that Angel found out about his identity as the Big O's pilot in CftP. She gave the Megadeus an awfully ugly look at the end of that episode. Dang, makes me wish I'd tape these things so I could go back and check up on details like that.
Best line of the episode: "Allow me, madam." Definitely a "heck, yeah!" moment for Norman.

SSJPabs

07-18-2003, 02:07 PM

Hey, does anyone know if there's a Big-O soundtrack I can get my hands on? I'd buy it for "Stand a Chance" alone...

Michael

07-18-2003, 02:08 PM

good epsiodes, it is really picking up now, i frogot that i actualled liked this series heh

Arxane

07-18-2003, 02:44 PM

Hey, does anyone know if there's a Big-O soundtrack I can get my hands on? I'd buy it for "Stand a Chance" alone...

You can purchase the import soundtrack of "Big O" here (http://animenation.com/vicl-60493.html) at Animenation.com. But for the love of God don't buy anything from Anime Castle; they sell bootleg CDs.

And about Angel possibly knowing Roger Smith pilots Big O...Alex Rosewater seems to know that Roger pilots the Big O (see "Call From The Past"), so I'm assuming Angel does as well.

Wounded_Dragon

07-18-2003, 06:16 PM

I also assumed that Angel found out about his identity as the Big O's pilot in CftP. She gave the Megadeus an awfully ugly look at the end of that episode. Dang, makes me wish I'd tape these things so I could go back and check up on details like that.

Eh, she could've just been mad at the Megadeus destroying all those valuable memories.

I just thought of an obvious reason Roger tries to keep his pilot status a secret: Imagine how much money he'd be sued for, considering all the property damage he causes. ;)

JetMaster5

07-18-2003, 09:46 PM

:keeps on getting flashbacks to Joker everytime jetwing sees Eugene:

I could have sworn Angel had a second weapon. You know, Roger was a pretty good shot, despite his distaste for guns, which I assume came from his days as a cop. I don't suppose we'll ever find out why he left the force?

Not in Season 1.

Mynd Hed

07-18-2003, 11:58 PM

Act VIII: Missing Cat Episode Review

Ah, another personal favorite. This is the episode all you Dorothy-lovers out there have been waiting for. It's also the episode that all you Big O faithful who suffered through the edited version on Toonami have waited to see uncut on Cartoon Network-- this may have been the second-most-edited episode next to the Xmas ep, both for violence and religious content.
Some pretty good stuff all around, between some GREAT character development on the part of Dorothy, Norman getting a chance to kick some shiny metal ass, and the first really heavy-duty religious symbolism we've gotten a chance to see. My only gripe is, predictably, with Eugene: he was a pretty stereotypical bad guy, and I hate his voice (both in the dub and the original Japanese).
Nice touches this episode:

* The tune Dorothy hums is "...And Forever," the end title theme.
* When Roger calls Norman up to summon Big O, Norman says that it will arrive in "about fifteen seconds." EXACTLY fifteen seconds later (use a stopwatch and time it sometime) Big O shows up.

Overall Grade: A

Char Aznable

07-19-2003, 02:16 AM

Is Adult Swim ever going to show a preview of Season 2? A screenshot? Does anyone know if the art is the same as season 1?

Wounded_Dragon

07-19-2003, 02:25 AM

Is Adult Swim ever going to show a preview of Season 2? A screenshot? Does anyone know if the art is the same as season 1?

From the two clips I have of 14, the art remains the same, though they may have changed how Big O itself works, considering how the cockpit opened.

Has anyone noticed whether Roger is ambidextrous or left-handed? He shot with his left hand, even though it would've been more natural to shoot with his right (keep his body behind cover better).

Sheamon

07-19-2003, 08:04 AM

He could be left eye dominant. Thats what I am. Even though I'm right handed, if I shoot a gun, or use a bow & arrow or something like that I have to do it left handed or I won't be able to aim properly. :p

Delthayre

07-19-2003, 09:16 AM

I hadn't noticed that myself, but The Big O seems to send people searching for details. I could certainly see it being that way, I'm left-eye dominant myself, particularly given that my right eye is 20/30 with glasses (no idea what it is without), while my left eye is 20/20.

I wonder if Angel was testing Roger when she tossed him his gun. I couldn't say precisely why, but given how little we know about Angel and her motives, it's quite possibly she has some reason.

Wounded_Dragon

07-19-2003, 03:23 PM

randomguy

07-19-2003, 04:04 PM

Hmm.. This is my opinion: Just because Roger does not believe in using guns doesn't mean he forces others to follow his beliefs as well. Also, I don't think its one of his house rules. Hey if you lived in Paradigm city, wouldn't you have a big machine gun nearby with those crazy lunatics and rogue megadeuses running around?

Yet another Batman homage/rip-off: Bruce Wayne (read: Batman) never, ever, uses guns, but Alfred has been known to brandish a firearm or two.

Ferquin

07-19-2003, 05:04 PM

It just occurred to me how Angel could have gotten those scars. This sorta relates to an upcoming episode...

...where Roger gets framed by Beck (i.e. the portrait of Angel in the room of Roger's client). My theory is that the DNA of that old guy's lover could have been used by Eugene to recombine into a bird, another animal that seems to have disappeared, and instead you got Angel but with wings. And she somehow got the wings removed.

Yeah, it's a wild theory. I'm just mentioning this 'cause there's proof of biological manipulation being done. I'll shut up now.

Wounded_Dragon

07-19-2003, 05:35 PM

Bladesong26

07-19-2003, 10:28 PM

While we're on the subject of little details, again Roger pays his respects to the dead by arranging them just so and praying over them. Since he already wears black and his white shirt has, surprise, a white collar...
Whoa! I just had a blinding flash of obvious symbolism there. Hmmm...that makes the religious subtext LOTS easier to understand. Or at the very least, explains why Roger is the Big O's pilot. Thanks for pointing that out. :)

Stev13_VJED

07-21-2003, 09:17 PM

Wow sorry I haven't been reviewing this awesome anime , but I've been too busy peeling my eyes off the screen after seeing this great week of Anime . It makes me feel better after hearing that Lupin won't be on for a while :(:(:( that I'll still have Big O , Trigun , and Bebop . My favorite episode was "Bring Back My Ghost " it had na earnest storyline with some pretty touching moments and as many have said the ghost design and Roger's discovery that it was operated by the vengeful Cop was very scooby-doo . Roger look over there ! It's old man Mcglowski in a ghost costume !