Why make them a target for all things wrong?!

[Eds4ever]

Just why does everyone pick on the Eds for bad things happening on Cartoon Network?! If something that doesn't go a show's way, its fans get all freaking upset about it, and point fingers at the Eds?

Especially with this "Eds-replacing-Popeye" crap. So what? The Eds sometimes get replaced by other shows, but fans don't complain as much! I swear!!! It's like it's th end of the TV-cartoon world if it gets its time shortened.

I honestly wouldn't mind if the Eds lightened up a bit in their schedule. But for Popeye, it's like if one time slot's missing, it's like chaos for fans! I'm a big fan of Popeye as well, but I don't give a d**n if their time changes to just an hour a week!

The Eds are sometimes the prime target on blaming, saying that they're shown more than anything else. But you know, other shows have more times than the Eds do, and yet, I hear no complaining about that - all the bashing goes towards the Eds!

So, I want to know EXACTLY why some of you people hate the Eds - in detail, none of this "Eds are just stupid!" or "They replaced a show!" crap; because that's just a stupid answer!

And if you like the Eds, support them, and express how much you like them so much.

[pabcool]

*sigh*

It's Waggytoon all over again, except Eds4Ever completely lacks comedic value.

[Eds4ever]

*sigh*

It's Waggytoon all over again, except Eds4Ever completely lacks comedic value.

Well, excuse me, pabcool, but I'm at a really serious note here!

[RKillian]

OK, fine, you want to know why I hate "Ed, Edd, and Eddy"?

The drawing style is ugly.
The plots are dull and uninteresting.
The drawing style is ugly.
The "humor" relies on unfunny gross-out tactics too often.
The drawing style is ugly.

I don't like totally braindead characters, so 1/3 of the main cast repulses me. If I hear "buttered toast!" one more frickin' time I'll put a brick through my screen.

They fail to pull off those "obviously stupid distractions" as well as either Scooby and Shaggy or Team Rocket.

It has none of the outrageousness of Looney Tunes, and none of the charm of The Three Stooges.

The first season is so devoid of any redeeming factors that it's painful to watch and makes one wonder how it was ever renewed for another season.

And it's showing 24 times a week, thereby allowing me to see the faults I know as well as discover more, only further entrenching my hatred of this show. And did I mention it's replacing Popeye right before his 70th birthday?

[donutbandit]

There's no point in this. Everybody has their own reasons for what they like and don't like. I don't like the Powerpuff Girls or Ren & Stimpy, which seems to put me in the minority. But I won't say "they suck" or "they're stupid."

I do agree that a person should not put down something unless they can articulate their reasons. Saying "they suck" is childish and provacative.

RKillian, thanks for giving your reasons. I understand them, if I don't agree with them. But that's all about differences in taste.

I was no fan of the "shakey lines" at first, either, but in EEnE, it's toned down to where I barely notice it. It doesn't bother me.

Ed was far less brain dead in the earlier episodes, and I think his gradual dumbing down was wrong, and detracts from the show.

[RKillian]

He asked for it.

Maybe someone being this honest and straightforward (instead of coddling or ignoring) will reach him. I dare you to find "it sucks" anywhere in my response.

[Killtacular]

Eds4ever, you are making everyone hate you. It's not typically professional to talk in public, but I have to say. You've made a horrible first impression, and if you don't calm down and let this drop, NOONE is going to be nice to you for the rest of your time on the board. You'll just be another Waggytoon, Zim999, or jwl..

[donutbandit]

RKillian, your post wasn't even on the board when I started writing mine. It was there when I posted, so I edited it. The references I made to "they suck" had nothing to do with anything you said, but was just aimed at that type of comment in general.

[RKillian]

OK, no problem then. I just assumed you were a fast typist :P

[donutbandit]

No, very slow, actually. LOL.

[Supernovametalstar]

Especially with this "Eds-replacing-Popeye" crap. So what? The Eds sometimes get replaced by other shows, but fans don't complain as much! I swear!!! It's like it's th end of the TV-cartoon world if it gets its time shortened.



The Eds replaced Sailor Moon also, which I never forgave them for :( . Even if the Eds get replaced by another show, it is a pretty safe bet that they'll turn up at another time slot.

[Mojo_Jojo]

I don't really remember the Eds getting replaced entirely. You probably would like to see an Ed Edd 'n Eddy channel come. And why do you keep on making threads and threads about why ppl hate the eds? Did you ever think you may make ppl start hating you and the eds.

[Sayna]

Just why does everyone pick on the Eds for bad things happening on Cartoon Network?! If something that doesn't go a show's way, its fans get all freaking upset about it, and point fingers at the Eds?

Especially with this "Eds-replacing-Popeye" crap. So what? The Eds sometimes get replaced by other shows, but fans don't complain as much! I swear!!! It's like it's th end of the TV-cartoon world if it gets its time shortened.

I honestly wouldn't mind if the Eds lightened up a bit in their schedule. But for Popeye, it's like if one time slot's missing, it's like chaos for fans! I'm a big fan of Popeye as well, but I don't give a d**n if their time changes to just an hour a week!

The Eds are sometimes the prime target on blaming, saying that they're shown more than anything else. But you know, other shows have more times than the Eds do, and yet, I hear no complaining about that - all the bashing goes towards the Eds!

So, I want to know EXACTLY why some of you people hate the Eds - in detail, none of this "Eds are just stupid!" or "They replaced a show!" crap; because that's just a stupid answer!

And if you like the Eds, support them, and express how much you like them so much.

I agree. Most of the people who watch the show watch it for the wittyness and the dialogue and the creativity. It's a great show. (Wow. I only have four posts here, and all of them are defending EEnE.)

[Sayna]

[QUOTE=Mojo_Jojo]I don't really remember the Eds getting replaced entirely. You'd probably would like to see an Ed Edd 'n Eddy channel come. QUOTE]

No, it's over-aired, but it's also over-hated. (And I'd appreciate it if "you'd would" not say that over-hated isn't a word.)

[Daniel P]

Waggytoon had entertainment value. Eds4ever's posts just make me cringe.

Ed gets replaced, oh well, it's on at other times of the week (and more than enough times, I might add...). Popeye being replaced is a big deal. They had two new episodes left. IT'S POPEYE'S 70th BIRTHDAY THIS WEEK, damn it.

[Sayna]

Waggytoon had entertainment value. Eds4ever's posts just make me cringe.

Ed gets replaced, oh well, it's on at other times of the week (and more than enough times, I might add...). Popeye being replaced is a big deal. They had two new episodes left. IT'S POPEYE'S 70th BIRTHDAY THIS WEEK, damn it.

I agree with the fact that they should never have done that to Popeye, but it's not the fault of the show that's replacing it.

[Daniel P]

I agree with the fact that they should never have done that to Popeye, but it's not the fault of the show that's replacing it.But I never bashed the Eds, I've been bashing Cartoon Network this entire time. Eds4ever, just wants to bash anyone who thinks EEnE is on enough... :rolleyes:

[Coolboyman]

It is not the Ed's fault, its the Cartoon Network Scheduling guy's fault.

[jeffrey 228]

Guys, I know I don't want to ruin many people's openions but I want to put a stop on Show Bashing, I'm not on anybody's sides, just making a point that this is more or likly the 4th time on TZ that I have seen this, and I think that needs to be stopped before possable Flame wars get out of hand, kina like this one, So mods, please lock this topic up, regarding possable Flame bait.

Eds4ever, I have herd of your name before on EZboard, and I willl Not mentioned it, but this topic may have upsetted others and I do not wish to see others get flammed at because of this sort of mess, so please try to post Show topics that willl Not flame others or be some sort of flame bait, please. :rolleyes:

[Zechs]

The reason people are so pissed is that the ed's air 24 times in a week and popeye only airs once. IMO I don't see any reason for one more hour of the eds they get more than enough air time as it stands. I myself don't find the show amusing I've tried sevral times to see what the big deal is and to this day I don't find the eds intresting. People are blaming the eds because CN is shoving them down our thorats. It's fine the ed's are doing good ratings wise I have no peoblem with that, but the fact they push it so much is the thing that bothers me. I mean come on 24 times is enought do we really need on more hour of reruns? The least they could have done was put the ed's in a less popular CC's time slot.

-> Codename:Kids Next Door: 8 airtimes
Sunday-7:30am;4:00pm
Friday-10:00pm;2:00pm; 2:30pm; 3:00pm; 3:30pm; 4:00pm
Saturday-7:30am

-> Courage The Cowardly Dog: 23 airtimes
Sunday-8:00a.m.; 3:30a.m.
Monday-11:00am;8:30pm; 3:30 am
Tuesday- 11:00am;8:30pm; 3:30 am
Wednesday- 11:00am;8:30pm; 3:30 am
Thursday- 11:00am;2:00pm; 2:30pm; 3:00pm; 3:30pm; 4:00pm;8:30pm; 3:30 am
Friday- 11:00am; 11:30pm; 4:00am
Saturday- 8:00am

-> Cow and Chicken:5 airtimes
Sunday-4:30am
Monday-4:30am
Tuesday- 4:30am
Wednesday-4:30am
Thursday-4:30am

-> Dexter's Laboratory:24 airtimes
Sunday-7:00am;3:00am
Monday- 10:30am;7:30pm;3:00am
Tuesday-10:30am;7:30pm;3:00am
Wednesday-10:30am;2:00pm; 2:30pm; 3:00pm; 3:30pm; 4:00pm;7:30pm;3:00am
Thursday-10:30am;7:30pm;3:00am
Friday-10:30am;7:30pm;2:00a,
Saturday-7:00am;6:30pm

-> Ed Edd 'n Eddy: 24 airtimes
Sunday-9:30am;5:00pm,2:30am
Monday-10:00am,8:00pm,2:30am
Tuesday-10:00am,2:00pm; 2:30pm; 3:00pm; 3:30pm; 4:00pm;8:00pm,2:30am
Wednesday-10:00am,8:00pm,2:30am
Thursday-10:00am,8:00pm,2:30am
Friday-10:00am,8:30pm,3:00am
Saturday-6:00pm

->Evil Con Carne: 1 airtime
Friday-9:30pm

->Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy: 3 airtimes
Sunday-9:00am
Friday-7:00pm;10:30pm

-> Grim and Evil:no airtimes (now two different shows incase you didn't notice)

-> JBVO: no airtimes

-> Johnny Bravo: 5 airtimes
Sunday-4:00am
Monday-4:00am
Tuesday-4:00am
Wednesday-4:00am
Thursday-4:00am

-> Mike, Lu, Og: no airtimes

-> Powerpuff Girls: 19 airtimes
Sunday-8:30am,5:30pm,2:00am
Monday-9:30am,7:00pm; 2:00am
Tuesday-9:30am,7:00pm; 2:00am
Wednesday-9:30am,7:00pm; 2:00am
Thursday-9:30am,7:00pm; 2:00am
Friday-9:30am,9:00pm,3:30am
Saturday-8:30am

-> Sheep In The Big City: no airtimes

-> Time Squad:6 airtimes
Sunday-5:00am
Monday-5:00am
Tuesday-5:00am
Wednesday-5:00am
Thursday-5:00am
Friday-12:30am

-Whatever Happened To Robot Jones?: 2 airtimes
Sunday-4:30pm
Friday-12:00am

Last time I posted this I ment to make a comment but I got called into work on short notice.
Anyway, the only show that airs as much as the Ed's is Dexter, Courage is a close second. I enjoy both these shows but I think it would be a bad idea to give them more air time sence they air so much already.

[Daniel P]

I don't think Eds4ever understands that if he could put his obsession aside, the Eds are already on all the time in the first place! This extra hour is totally unneccesary, especially when replacing Popeye DURING his 70th birthday AND when they had two new episodes to still air.

[jackjakenjames]

Quote:
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The drawing style is ugly.
The plots are dull and uninteresting.
The drawing style is ugly.
The "humor" relies on unfunny gross-out tactics too often.
The drawing style is ugly.
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Well, let's correct some sruff, mr. Killian.
1/3/5: Ugly? Is C&C ugly? IaW? CtCD? NO! They resemble, partly, EEnE. Insulting a cartoon drawing is like insulting ALL Cartoons resembling it.
2: Well, a lifeless being can call life dull and uninteresting.
4: Ok, so the humor is based on that kind of stuff, huh? Well, they can be, but where's the fun in politically correct cartoons? All cartoons have some dark humor. Remember it.

[Mojo_Jojo]

[QUOTE=Mojo_Jojo]I don't really remember the Eds getting replaced entirely. You'd probably would like to see an Ed Edd 'n Eddy channel come. QUOTE]

No, it's over-aired, but it's also over-hated. (And I'd appreciate it if "you'd would" not say that over-hated isn't a word.)

oops, sorry. type-os. lol I'll edit it.

[RKillian]

Quote:
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The drawing style is ugly.
The plots are dull and uninteresting.
The drawing style is ugly.
The "humor" relies on unfunny gross-out tactics too often.
The drawing style is ugly.
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Well, let's correct some sruff, mr. Killian.
1/3/5: Ugly? Is C&C ugly? IaW? CtCD? NO! They resemble, partly, EEnE. Insulting a cartoon drawing is like insulting ALL Cartoons resembling it.
2: Well, a lifeless being can call life dull and uninteresting.
4: Ok, so the humor is based on that kind of stuff, huh? Well, they can be, but where's the fun in politically correct cartoons? All cartoons have some dark humor. Remember it.

1/3/5:

Fine, so be it. "Cow & Chicken" and "I M Weasel" both fall into the same category as "Ed Edd and Eddy". They're ugly, gross, and dull. The only difference was that "Cow & Chicken's" pilot was actually semi-amusing from what I remember.

"Courage the Cowardly Dog" (what I presume "CtCD" stands for) is a totally different, distinctive style altogether, and shouldn't be lumped in with the other three.

2:
I fail to see how I'm dull because I call this show dull. Does that mean _you_ are dull for calling me dull? Taken a step further, I guess we're all _evil_ because we called the Nazis evil, right?

4:
Come on, where the hell did you get "dark humor" from "gross-out humor" anyway? No, really, I want you to explain this right here.

I would've slammed "Onward and Upward" if I had a Toonzone account at the time and I love the original season of "Ren and Stimpy". Why? Becuase "Ren and Stimpy" had infinitely more going for it than "duh, look I'm eating snot for 10 minutes, hur hur, BUTTERED TOAST!"...it had an off the wall and manic attitude remeniscient of the old "Looney Tunes"

[Supernovametalstar]

Quote:
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The drawing style is ugly.
The plots are dull and uninteresting.
The drawing style is ugly.
The "humor" relies on unfunny gross-out tactics too often.
The drawing style is ugly.
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Well, let's correct some sruff, mr. Killian.
1/3/5: Ugly? Is C&C ugly? IaW? CtCD? NO! They resemble, partly, EEnE. Insulting a cartoon drawing is like insulting ALL Cartoons resembling it.
2: Well, a lifeless being can call life dull and uninteresting.
4: Ok, so the humor is based on that kind of stuff, huh? Well, they can be, but where's the fun in politically correct cartoons? All cartoons have some dark humor. Remember it.

What I think he meant in the ugly drawing style is the "squiggle-vision". I don't like it either, it hurts my eyes for lines to jump that much. I've tried watching the show, but it doesn't interest me. Not only the voices, but they dialogue. I guess I just have a different mind set. My nephew loves it, and apparently many other people do for it to be on as much as it is.

[Eddy]

Okay, I like the Eds and all but...

They are on WAY too much...

As said before, Popeye had only ONE air-time... I think the Eds could survive with some less air-time don't you?

Not only is it on too much, but they're shoving repeats in our face a million times... I am sick and tired of repeats...

And so, Eds4ever, I'm afraid I must agree with everyone else when saying the Eds are on too much. And, beleive me, I do like the show. My username comes from one of the characters.

[ToonamiFanatic]

I agree with everyone else here saying the Eds are on too much I like the Eds too but This is Popeyes 70th birthday CN should show a little respect and like Eddy said taking away a extra showing wouldnt hurt EEnE since it airs 24 times or so a week which is way too much. I really did like the popeye show and the classic cartoons on CN but lately it seems they are neglecting them for their CC stuff which isnt fair since popeye has only one air time and CC's are run any time of the day
sorry for the rambling

[Carolina Red]

The only people you should point the finger at for the network's troubles are the people responsible for creating the schedule. The Eds-replacing-Popeye deal was created solely by the programmers, and they are responsible, not the show. The idea of throwing in too many showing of a program in a week is also the responsibility of the programmers. I hold no specific blame or any need to finger-point on any particular show, but only those who schedule them.

[jackjakenjames]

Ok... I agree with upper. Now, Q: why are we to blame? Do we blame on your obsession? Or the shows?

[Sayna]

Okay, let's settle this once and for all.

1. Popeye is awesome, and they should have NEVER taken it off. You just don't mess with him.

2. EEnE is a great show, and I don't give a rat's heinie if you think otherwise. The dialogue and voices are well written and well casted. The Squiggle Vision is lively and creative, as are the plots and character development,and if you agree with it, fine. Don't watch the show.

3. Let's all stop this fighting now, children. Agree to disagree.

[RKillian]

Okay, let's settle this once and for all.

3. Let's all stop this fighting now, children. Agree to disagree.

You just had to get one last shot in at the EEnE detractors, huh?

"Squiggle vision" was creative when "Dr Katz" did it...8 years ago.

[turbomog007]

You just had to get one last shot in at the EEnE detractors, huh?

"Squiggle vision" was creative when "Dr Katz" did it...8 years ago.
didn't "Home Movies" use Squiggle vision before Dr. Katz? :sweat:

[Alaskanbullworm]

*sigh*

Ok, I agree:
EEnE is overplayed way too much
Popeye is great and shouldn't have been replaced
EnE is a great show as well

But, you shouldn't hate a show just because it replaced a show that you love. Heck, that has happened hundreds of times with me. I had anger but I dealt with it.

So PLEASE don't criticize a show when it should be the programers you should criticize.

Please keep your temper or I might have to close this soon.

[RKillian]

didn't "Home Movies" use Squiggle vision before Dr. Katz? :sweat:

I looked up "Home Movies" on the IMDB and there's no information on the last 2 iterations, form 1988 and 1998 specifically. Since the show is done in Flash, I'd have to assume it's the latter, and thus 3 years _after_ "Dr Katz"...

[turbomog007]

I looked up "Home Movies" on the IMDB and there's no information on the last 2 iterations, form 1988 and 1998 specifically. Since the show is done in Flash, I'd have to assume it's the latter, and thus 3 years _after_ "Dr Katz"...

I was indeed wrong and you were indeed correct. Dr. Katz was the first to be made and to use Squiggle vision. as stated here by Soup-2-nuts. (http://www.soup2nuts.tv/html/company/overview.html) Dr. Katz was the first.

[cartoonist2010]

I looked up "Home Movies" on the IMDB and there's no information on the last 2 iterations, form 1988 and 1998 specifically. Since the show is done in Flash, I'd have to assume it's the latter, and thus 3 years _after_ "Dr Katz"...

RKillian, just a question, do you like anything?

[Eds4ever]

*sighs*

OKAY! Everyone just shut up!

Look! I don't want Home Movies to be dragged into this as well, alright? Jeez! Pretty soon, every cartoon will be pulled into this issue!

Home Movies DID have squiggle vision before (whoever worked on that part). Popeye is a classic cartoon that does have a lot of respect. The Eds are a great "modern" cartoon show with their fans. Toonami should still be on, but with lesser time slots with just anime.

There! Everyone happy now?!?!?!

[Zechs]

Looks like some one hasn't had their nap yet.

Let's be real here people this whole things stinks but their is nothing we can do to make them change. Lately I've grown tired of mainstream T.V so now I read more I've also stareted to write and draw more as well. Gasp their's more than just T.V out there go figure. My point instead of compaing about this or that show just don't watch it or if it's been taken off just find something else to do at that time,that what I have to do when it happens to me and so far it works.

[Eds4ever]

Looks like some one hasn't had their nap yet.

Don't pis me off, Zechs. I'm trying to get over this thing!

[Zechs]

What's their to get over. Your fave show is being aired 24 times a week. So people bash it big deal. I have some shows that I like that people bash yet I don't act like a child over it. My point it's just a show don't get so worked up over it just becaues people dislike it.

[cartoonist2010]

I don't think Eds4Ever is acting like a child...

[cartoonist2010]

I don't think Eds4Ever is acting like a child...

I think that people are entitled to their opinion, meaning that Eds4Ever is entitled to her opinion also...

[Zechs]

You didn't read the post in the TTTP. That's why I made the comment. My main point is that not only EDs4ever but a lot of people are acting childish. When the Ed's relaced sailor moon sure I was pissed but I didn't bash the show nor did I bash the posters. IMO these are all just shows they are nothing to get worked over. Over the years I've found that there's more than just watching T.V to life. It rings true more so now than ever with all the crap I see on major T.V stations. All in all I think every one popeye and eds fans should just chill. Popeye fans are just going to have to find another way to see thier fave show. Ed fans can be happy for now.

[cartoonist2010]

You didn't read the post in the TTTP. That's why I made the comment.

What post?

[The Dork Knight]

What post?

Sigh.... This post.... (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=80646)

His posts are in this thread.

- The Dork Knight

[cartoonist2010]

Sigh.... This post.... (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=80646)

His posts are in this thread.

- The Dork Knight

I saw that post...one for the history books. Yet, Nelson (who started the thread) went overboard on EEnE, so I think that Eds4Ever had a right to defend them...

[The Dork Knight]

Well, just like Eds4ever, Nelson also has an opinion.

- The Dork Knight

[cartoonist2010]

)Well, just like Eds4ever, Nelson also has an opinion.

- The Dork Knight

I agree...but unlike Eds4Ever, Nelson was never said to have acted like a child for his opinion...And BTW Zechs, she tried to quell the argument before you came in here and shot your mouth off...

Nice going...glad to see somebody likes to argue :rolleyes: ...

[cartoonist2010]

... ... ... .

[cartoonist2010]

I think the point that Eds4Ever is trying to get across is this...

In the TTTP thread mentioned above, a lot of people started bashing EEnE, and I don't think she liked that. I'm sure a lot of you wouldn't like to see Popeye be bashed because it replaced another show.

EEnE must be Eds4Ever's favourite show. And I'm sure nobody likes to see their favourite show be stomped on.

Sure, Eds4Ever might not be too...tactful...in this matter, but you can't really blame her for flaming her favourite show in the TTTP thread.

Another thing that has been brought to my short attention is that Eds4Ever has tried to apologize, to start over, however, a certian number of people just don't accept it, so they are the ones at fault.

So, if Eds4Ever has tried to apologize to you, and you haven't accepted her apology, than your just a prik (sic), plain and simple. Don't blame her for keeping the thing going, blame yourself.

[Rune]

Carolina Red is absolutely right, don't blame EEnE for replacing Popeye's slot, blame the people who sit behind those big shiny desks at CN's HQ and mess around with the schedules. The way this has worked out makes you wonder if they even realise its Popeye's anniversary? You'd think that working in the cartoon industry they should know these things and plan ahead accordingly but it doesn't work that way does it?

Living in the UK I don't get CN USA however I have to say I think its a shame that Popeye was shunted, even more so with his birthday coming up. He's a cartoon icon and to make it nicely ironic, Danny Antonucci who created EEnE is a big Popeye fan, there are Popeye / Bluto figurines & other memorabilia in his office and as a character Popeye is one he's been a fan of since he was a child himself, he talks about watching TV as a tiny tot and being glued to the Popeye's adventures.

Just for the record, and in case anyone here is interested, Danny Antonucci's original concept for EEnE was that it was a tribute to the cartoons of the 30s & 40s in that it revolved around the activities of a child's day. This is why the plots run the way they do, they hold to that simplistic childhood setting albeit in a more up to date timeframe (ie a world where day to day modern technology such as the VCR is just beginning to come through.)

The 'wobble' effect follows on from that. When a cartoon is hand-drawn its impossible for the artist to draw the same way twice and since the old toons of the 30s & 40s were hand drawn frame by frame many of them indeed had a bit of a squiggle/ wobble effect. AKA Cartoon has adapted this effect into EEnE as a tribute to the hand-inked cartoons of the 1930s... and who knows, knowing his love of Popeye maybe there's a nod to his early escaopades too.

As some of you here on TZ already know I'm a big Eds fans and I have a big Eds website which is over 4 years old and over that time I've had several message boards and there have been many 'your show sucks' type posters who have 'had a go' bashed one show and defended another and what you nearly always find is what it boils down to is frustration that the show they like has been replaced or rescheduled for one they're nor so fond of. That's understandable to a degree, you vent a little, you feel better but you have to know where to draw the line.

Bashing a show is just senseless and leads to all sorts of ill feeling between people, I'd hate to see it happening on TZ because its one of the few online forums that you can rely on to be friendly and welcoming and to have proper discussion.

There are many cartoon shows I don't like for various different reasons, plot, stye etc which I prefer not to watch but if one of those shows is your favourite then good luck to you and I'm happy you enjoy it and if you tell me why you like it then I'll be willing to give it another go and who knows maybe you'll convert me. I know full well that not everyone likes EEnE but that doesn't make me mad at them, it doesn't make me hate the shows they like. To say you hate something like a cartoon is just a waste of anyone's energy, its taking it to unnecessary extremes - I drink coffee, my husband drinks tea, I don't like the look or smell of tea but I don't hate it or tell all my friends not to drink it because it doesn't appeal to me.

Let's move on, CN is responsible for replacing Popeye's show and could just have easily have replaced it with another Cartoon Cartoon or regular CN show, it really blows they have done this on Popeye's 70th but equally take a look around and you'll see they're messing with other schedules too such as this one (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=81383) which in turn makes fans of the replaced show get shirty. Its the guys at CN that we should be directing our complaints towards for their lack of foresight, logic and in Popeye's case respect.

Let's take a time out. We need to remember to make allowances for each others tastes too and see that the people who enjoy the product are not necessarily responsible for the actions of those who market the product.

[cartoonist2010]

Carolina Red is absolutely right, don't blame EEnE for replacing Popeye's slot, blame the people who sit behind those big shiny desks at CN's HQ and mess around with the schedules. The way this has worked out makes you wonder if they even realise its Popeye's anniversary? You'd think that working in the cartoon industry they should know these things and plan ahead accordingly but it doesn't work that way does it?

Living in the UK I don't get CN USA however I have to say I think its a shame that Popeye was shunted, even more so with his birthday coming up. He's a cartoon icon and to make it nicely ironic, Danny Antonucci who created EEnE is a big Popeye fan, there are Popeye / Bluto figurines & other memorabilia in his office and as a character Popeye is one he's been a fan of since he was a child himself, he talks about watching TV as a tiny tot and being glued to the Popeye's adventures.

Just for the record, and in case anyone here is interested, Danny Antonucci's original concept for EEnE was that it was a tribute to the cartoons of the 30s & 40s in that it revolved around the activities of a child's day. This is why the plots run the way they do, they hold to that simplistic childhood setting albeit in a more up to date timeframe (ie a world where day to day modern technology such as the VCR is just beginning to come through.)

The 'wobble' effect follows on from that. When a cartoon is hand-drawn its impossible for the artist to draw the same way twice and since the old toons of the 30s & 40s were hand drawn frame by frame many of them indeed had a bit of a squiggle/ wobble effect. AKA Cartoon has adapted this effect into EEnE as a tribute to the hand-inked cartoons of the 1930s... and who knows, knowing his love of Popeye maybe there's a nod to his early escaopades too.

As some of you here on TZ already know I'm a big Eds fans and I have a big Eds website which is over 4 years old and over that time I've had several message boards and there have been many 'your show sucks' type posters who have 'had a go' bashed one show and defended another and what you nearly always find is what it boils down to is frustration that the show they like has been replaced or rescheduled for one they're nor so fond of. That's understandable to a degree, you vent a little, you feel better but you have to know where to draw the line.

Bashing a show is just senseless and leads to all sorts of ill feeling between people, I'd hate to see it happening on TZ because its one of the few online forums that you can rely on to be friendly and welcoming and to have proper discussion.

There are many cartoon shows I don't like for various different reasons, plot, stye etc which I prefer not to watch but if one of those shows is your favourite then good luck to you and I'm happy you enjoy it and if you tell me why you like it then I'll be willing to give it another go and who knows maybe you'll convert me. I know full well that not everyone likes EEnE but that doesn't make me mad at them, it doesn't make me hate the shows they like. To say you hate something like a cartoon is just a waste of anyone's energy, its taking it to unnecessary extremes - I drink coffee, my husband drinks tea, I don't like the look or smell of tea but I don't hate it or tell all my friends not to drink it because it doesn't appeal to me.

Let's move on, CN is responsible for replacing Popeye's show and could just have easily have replaced it with another Cartoon Cartoon or regular CN show, they are the people we should be directing our complaints towards for their lack of foresight and even respect.

We need to remember to make allowances for each others tastes too and see that the people who enjoy the product are not necessarily responsible for the actions of those who market the product.

AMEN Rune!

[RKillian]

RKillian, just a question, do you like anything?

That would be amusing if not for the extreme tunnel vision.

I express dislike for _four_ cartoons, and suddenly I hate everything? Please.

[Daniel P]

Popeye fans are just going to have to find another way to see thier fave show.Popeye was never released to video or DVD, it's not on any other networks, and it's been booted on CN now. That is totally unfair for you to say, because there is no other way to see the show.

[Zechs]

No it's not unfair it's the truth. I've had sevral shows I liked taken off the air with no way of seeing them I just had to get over it and find something else to watch. My advice to you is that you find something elses for the time being. I've had to do this plenty which is why I don't watch T.V as much as I used to because lately it seems to be going down hill and fast. I know you hate the changes but you're just going to have to deal I've had to and so have many other. Just because a show is 70 years old dosen't mean it's going to get respect CN has proven this. My advice turn off the T.V for once and find soemthing else to do. You mignt find you'll like it better this way. I know I do.

[Mackenzie Rainelle]

While I don't necessarily like EE&E, I'm in the camp that says blame the idiot responsible for the schedule change, not the show itself.

However, I'm a little confused by Ed4Ever's motivations here. Is it just the fact that people are bashing the show, the fact that you took the show being bashed as a personal affront to the fans of the show as well, or is it that you don't think it's aired enough? No need to answer, just voicing the confusion. ^^;;;

And to be fair to the people who are upset about Popeye, I think losing the one last timeslot the show had on the channel is a little more serious than the Eds getting shortened to an hour a week, yes?



And one last kinda off-topic thing: Cartoonist, was that post with nothing but periods in it REALLY necessary?

In conclusion:
1) Eds are not bad, being overplayed is.
2) Blame the programmer, not the show.
3) Popeye fans have the right to be upset, so long as they don't go bashing other shows.

Okay? ^^

[Thad Komorowski]

What the more intelligent of you are saying is what the moderators at the TTTP were saying throughout the whole thread... don't bash the Eds, bash the CN executives.

I personally don't care for "Ed, Edd, n' Eddy" whatsoever, and I apologize for calling it crap in that thread, and offending anyone.

What I DON'T understand is that every time someone calls a Cartoon Cartoon/Adult Swim/Anime show a bad show on the TTTP, a ton of people that never regularly come to the message board come defending it.

I'm sure there's a bunch of anti-Looney Tunes, Woody Woodpecker, or Popeye threads out there, but I never start anything about it.

I don't think anybody from the TTTP besides "The Dork Knight" (who I think is the most social member of Toon Zone) went to the Adult Swim board when they complained how Popeye and Rocky & Bullwinkle got time-slots during the block.

I hope I don't start any arguments around here, I don't mean too, but it felt good to say it.:p

[Zechs]

What I DON'T understand is that every time someone calls a Cartoon Cartoon/Adult Swim/Anime show a bad show on the TTTP, a ton of people that never regularly come to the message board come defending it.

Because they all have a high fan base here on the boards and the people watch seem to be more vocal, than the people at TTTP. I remeber the power puff bashing thread and how they bashed CC's, anime and adult swim. I got so pissed after reading the posts I just now went back to TTTP after a year of refusing to post there.

[Daniel P]

Because they all have a high fan base here on the boards and the people watch seem to be more vocal, than the people at TTTP. I remeber the power puff bashing thread and how they bashed CC's, anime and adult swim. I got so pissed after reading the posts I just now went back to TTTP after a year of refusing to post there.TTTP is usually a calmer, nicer place than that. Those two threads (Cartoon Network Sucks and The PowerPuff Girls) were made at a time that the classics were really being treated badly. Actually, they're treated badly all the time, but it just gets worse, and that's why those huge arguement threads happen, would be my guess. Because really, you anime, Adult Swim, and Cartoon Cartoon fans have the luck right now (in my opinion)... These things have taken over CN and CN is not what it used to be. It's hard to think of almost any shows on the original CN schedule that are still on CN now.

See, I don't like to complain about how horrible the schedule is (but I do, from time to time) but when they got rid of Popeye that just made me furious. That was the best show on Cartoon Network, ever, period. Treating it like fourth class crap is wrong, and replacing it with something that airs 24 times a week already just pisses me off. There's no variety on TV. Nick sucks, so how does CN compete? They start to suck too. Cartoon Network thinks it is a kid's channel, it has forgotten that it is a Cartoon channel. If it were really the best place for cartoons than there would be some equality and balance in the schedule.

[Jack]

Because they all have a high fan base here on the boards and the people watch seem to be more vocal, than the people at TTTP. I remeber the power puff bashing thread and how they bashed CC's, anime and adult swim. I got so pissed after reading the posts I just now went back to TTTP after a year of refusing to post there.
The stuff usually posted at the TTTP isn't really any worse than what is posted here. I see all sorts of posts bashing the new Dexter's Lab episodes and the second season of Johnny Bravo, among other things. Even the people defending Ed Edd N Eddy in that one thread were putting down Dexter and Powerpuff Girls at the same time. In fact, some of the earliest posters defending EENE were more insulted that the bashers preferred other Cartoon Cartoons to it.


Jack :bosko:

[Killtacular]

Yeah, well, noone likes the same cartoons, that's obvious. I think the problem was that a few TTTPers were just bashing EVERY SINGLE CC, generalizing them for no reason... that's what got people aggravated, since no show is created equal in this era of "creator-controlled" animation. It wasn't everyone, but it was a few people, and that was enough to send someone over the edge.

At the same time, why DON'T TTTPers defend their shows? I feel like I have to defend them for you whenever someone says something like "Popeye is for children!" and such. If you like something, go ahead and say so. I wasn't afraid to say I like Ed Edd n Eddy, and that I think noone really watches it closely enough, except for the rabid fans like Eds4ever (vomit). There's a lot of misconception about LTs outside the TTTP board that could be clarified, since the TTTP board almost feels like it exists in an alternate universe.

[Daniel P]

Yeah, well, noone likes the same cartoons, that's obvious. I think the problem was that a few TTTPers were just bashing EVERY SINGLE CC, generalizing them for no reason... that's what got people aggravated, since no show is created equal in this era of "creator-controlled" animation. It wasn't everyone, but it was a few people, and that was enough to send someone over the edge.

At the same time, why DON'T TTTPers defend their shows? I feel like I have to defend them for you whenever someone says something like "Popeye is for children!" and such. If you like something, go ahead and say so. I wasn't afraid to say I like Ed Edd n Eddy, and that I think noone really watches it closely enough, except for the rabid fans like Eds4ever (vomit). There's a lot of misconception about LTs outside the TTTP board that could be clarified, since the TTTP board almost feels like it exists in an alternate universe.A quick search at the Adult Swim board confirms what you say -- there are people there who think Popeye is for children. :eek:

[donutbandit]

Maybe Dork Knight's dots post was just like this one. He posted something else originally and then had a change of heart about it, so he edited it.

I realized that my original post right here would only fan flames, so I got rid of it.

I think we can draw some conclusions from all this and move on.

1) Though Popeye lost a time slot, he is still on, thankfully.

2) EEnE, like all the other Cartoon Cartoons, are on way too much. The reason for this is the bottom line. CN owns them outright, so they can run them to their hearts content without paying royalties. That's the reason thay are on so much.

3) The people who started CN as a tribute to animation have lost control and have been replaced by corporate eggheads who only see the bottom line. It happened at Nick before it happened at CN.

4) *****ing, whining and moaning about it does no good whatsoever.

[cartoonist2010]

That would be amusing if not for the extreme tunnel vision.

I express dislike for _four_ cartoons, and suddenly I hate everything? Please.

Okay then, stop compaining about everything and maybe I wouldn't think you hated everything...maybe if you praised a cartoon you actually liked instead of talking only about those you don't like....

[pabcool]

Mackenzie Rainelle said EXACTLY what I wanted to.

Eds4Ever, dacp3, cartoonist...

Personally, I'm on dacp3's side, but I'd like EVERYONE to shut the hell up and ignore each other.


Eds4Ever, we have different tastes, and we have a right to complain about the schedule. Complaining about the schedule is different than complaining about E,E,N'E. I don't give a crap about which show it is. If Courage, one of my favorite shows ever, took the place of Popeye, I'd still be annoyed.

So Eds4Ever, stop being so freakin' paranoid, dacp3, ignore this, and someone close this effing mess.




So, Eds4Ever, I'll give you one last chance to listen and realize it's not your precious Eds were complaining about. So people are angry at you. They have a REASON to be angry. Please, sincerely, shut up and live with it. I WANTED to be nice, but after taking all this crap, please, just shut up and quit whining and moaning about it, or you'll be forever hated here. No, wait, that already happened. So if you want to play nice, play nice. But if you keep doing this, you'll piss even more people off.

So stop the fighting and close this freakin' thread once and for all. PLEASE, for the sake of my sanity.

[Wanted]

The eds air 24 times a week?:eek: Anyway, I don't hate most cartoons and I certainly don't hate the Eds.

Reasons: I was a kid (about 9) when I started watching it. I will admit, the Eds are braindead (like most cartoon characters), but that is no reason to hate them.


(I borrowed the Swat Kats yesterday and I noticed that they use laser sounds a lot. This really got on my nerves!)

[Thad Komorowski]

At the same time, why DON'T TTTPers defend their shows? I feel like I have to defend them for you whenever someone says something like "Popeye is for children!" and such. If you like something, go ahead and say so. I wasn't afraid to say I like Ed Edd n Eddy, and that I think noone really watches it closely enough, except for the rabid fans like Eds4ever (vomit). There's a lot of misconception about LTs outside the TTTP board that could be clarified, since the TTTP board almost feels like it exists in an alternate universe.

Nobody asked you to do that. I'm mature enough to not listen to other people's negative comments. Plus, I don't give a crap about the other message boards that I don't have any interest in. We all know you don't like classic cartoons very much, so quit pretending to. The dozens of negative comments you've made in the past pretty much says what I'm saying is true.

[Daniel P]

Nobody asked you to do that. I'm mature enough to not listen to other people's negative comments. Plus, I don't give a crap about the other message boards that I don't have any interest in. We all know you don't like classic cartoons very much, so quit pretending to. The dozens of negative comments you've made in the past pretty much says what I'm saying is true.I wouldn't say that. Matt is a person who is a fan of both modern and classic cartoons, and cares enough to stick up for BOTH of them -- when people say Popeye is for children :rolleyes: -- or when people are bashing his The PowerPuff Girls for having too many ads on television. And that's perfectly fine, it shows that he has more diverse tastes than most people. Or at least that's what I think. :shrug:

[Matthew Hunter]

I browse these boards from time to time and post on occasion, but most of the time the reason I don't stick up against every negative comment about classic cartoons is that I don't READ every negative comment about classic cartoons. Unless I read something completely irksome, I don't take the bait. Toon Zone has a ton of forums with thousands of posts a day. I don't and CAN'T read them all.

Besides, we don't necessarily like a lot of the cartoons you guys like, and if we make a comment about them over at the TTTP we don't want an angry mob flaming us. Why should we come do it to you? We've had some extreme Ed Edd and Eddy fans come over and scold some of us for disliking that show. After all, this is a Cartoon Network forum and we're a classic theatrical animation forum...naturally there will be disagreement in our opinions. No problem with that. Life's too short to patrol every discussion on this forum server and be Mister Classics Vigilante. Don't have to, can't, don't even want to.

And Matt Wilson: Yes, I agree with the comment that you have a very diverse taste in animation. But Thad has a point that you don't come off that way...you just sound like someone who wants to start something by defending CN at every opportunity and acting like a know it all. my father calls such an attitude the "often wrong, but never in doubt!" syndrome. I realize you don't mean any harm, and I have talked with you in private and you're a good guy. But come on...lighten up and quit trying to push everyone's buttons! Quit being everybody's devils' advocate and try to engage in fun, knowlegeable and happy discussion. As the guy in the third row might say in "The Case Of The Stuttering Pig"..."Ya big sour puss!" :mad:

-Matthew

[cartoonist2010]

While I don't necessarily like EE&E, I'm in the camp that says blame the idiot responsible for the schedule change, not the show itself.

However, I'm a little confused by Ed4Ever's motivations here. Is it just the fact that people are bashing the show, the fact that you took the show being bashed as a personal affront to the fans of the show as well, or is it that you don't think it's aired enough? No need to answer, just voicing the confusion. ^^;;;

And to be fair to the people who are upset about Popeye, I think losing the one last timeslot the show had on the channel is a little more serious than the Eds getting shortened to an hour a week, yes?



And one last kinda off-topic thing: Cartoonist, was that post with nothing but periods in it REALLY necessary?

In conclusion:
1) Eds are not bad, being overplayed is.
2) Blame the programmer, not the show.
3) Popeye fans have the right to be upset, so long as they don't go bashing other shows.

Okay? ^^

Exactly...yet I think that this whole mess can be blamed on Nelson for his infamous post in the TTTP on July 7. He started this whole mess when he started bashing EEnE...

I have to admit, others aren't bashing the Eds...but because of Nelson's post...there aren't a lot of happy EEnE fans...

I believe one person told me that Nelson could get a little hotheaded at times, and I think Eds4Ever does also...yet I don't see everyone posting up nasty things about Nelson.

I'm basically neutral on this subject, and I'm trying to keep peace in here. I think that arguing and complaining only leads to further turmoil...and that isn't exactly wanted...

As for my post with the periods...I put something there but didn't want it, and I didn't know how to delete it... :( . Sorry.

[Daniel P]

Exactly...yet I think that this whole mess can be blamed on Nelson for his infamous post in the TTTP on July 7. He started this whole mess when he started bashing EEnE...Nelson shouldn't be blamed. He was simply voicing his opinion, just like all the Ed fans were doing also. And that was fine, until the last couple pages where members (myself included) started bashing each other mainly because of the invalid arguements of a certain member.

Let's just forget about this. All of this crap never happened.

[cartoonist2010]

Before somebody closes this thread up, we need to work this thing out AS CIVILIZED HUMAN BEINGS. I'm amazed at some of the posts I've seen in the past two days.

Now, WITHOUT INSULTING ANYBODY, somebody may present their case calmly and as mature adults...

Anyone who wants to help in mediation just post.

[Jazman]

I hate to be yet another person who puts their two cents in on this black hole of a post, which seems to go in an endless circle getting absolutlely nowhere at all, but.

Eds4ever and really everyone who has repeated their position are entitled to. But Eds4ever, this is but a taste of what the grown up world is like. Not everyone likes the show. I watch many things on TV that some like, some hate, and some just couldn't care one way or the other what happens. It's something you have got to get used to. It just gets worse, the more adult the show, the more relaxed as far as censorship with the forums, the harsher people are when giving an opinion. The people who don't like the show are entitled to just that, their opinion as are you and someone like me, who like the show. Getting upset about it just makes it far worse. On top of all of this, we carried a flame war from another forum into the CN forum which in the 1.5 years I've been here, haven't seen anything like this. That's why I am frustrated. It wasn't resolved there, so now it's spilled here.

Eds4Ever was however entitled to defend the show since there were people there who were bashing the show. Not all the people there were but a select few were just trashing the heck out of it. So as a fan, he/she did what any fan would do.

As far as this post, I state my opinion as I did on the other forum. Stuff like this has been going on at CN now since about March of last year. Schedule changes week after week, replacing a show with another CC, removing a show and putting it on Boomerang. Now that it's a popular show and has really pissed everyone off, I think Letters and emails and protests should be made. CN was great a year ago in Jan, New shows, a decent schedule for everyone. If we do this in large numbers and the ratings really go down, that might get the point across that people who are die hard CN supporters are tired of Nick being #1 all the time, by the Network ignoring the fans and real target audience of the network itself. Don't vent and lash out against other shows. And it's everyone, cause if the tables were turned, Eds fans would be angry and bitter too. I assume the head programers don't visit here cause if so, they would have a decent Idea what the viewers of Cartoon Network wanted instead of guessing and concluding schedules based on ratings.

Yes, the Eds are on WAY TOO MUCH. I liked it when they were on 2 times a day. One in the morning 7:00am, then not on again till 8:00pm that evening. Every show should be that way so they aren't stale and old in a week.

That's my two cents.

[cartoonist2010]

I hate to be yet another person who puts their two cents in on this black hole of a post, which seems to go in an endless circle getting absolutlely nowhere at all, but.

Eds4ever and really everyone who has repeated their position are entitled to. But Eds4ever, this is but a taste of what the grown up world is like. Not everyone likes the show. I watch many things on TV that some like, some hate, and some just couldn't care one way or the other what happens. It's something you have got to get used to. It just gets worse, the more adult the show, the more relaxed as far as censorship with the forums, the harsher people are when giving an opinion. The people who don't like the show are entitled to just that, their opinion as are you and someone like me, who like the show. Getting upset about it just makes it far worse. On top of all of this, we carried a flame war from another forum into the CN forum which in the 1.5 years I've been here, haven't seen anything like this. That's why I am frustrated. It wasn't resolved there, so now it's spilled here.

Eds4Ever was however entitled to defend the show since there were people there who were bashing the show. Not all the people there were but a select few were just trashing the heck out of it. So as a fan, he/she did what any fan would do.

As far as this post, I state my opinion as I did on the other forum. Stuff like this has been going on at CN now since about March of last year. Schedule changes week after week, replacing a show with another CC, removing a show and putting it on Boomerang. Now that it's a popular show and has really pissed everyone off, I think Letters and emails and protests should be made. CN was great a year ago in Jan, New shows, a decent schedule for everyone. If we do this in large numbers and the ratings really go down, that might get the point across that people who are die hard CN supporters are tired of Nick being #1 all the time, by the Network ignoring the fans and real target audience of the network itself. Don't vent and lash out against other shows. And it's everyone, cause if the tables were turned, Eds fans would be angry and bitter too. I assume the head programers don't visit here cause if so, they would have a decent Idea what the viewers of Cartoon Network wanted instead of guessing and concluding schedules based on ratings.

Yes, the Eds are on WAY TOO MUCH. I liked it when they were on 2 times a day. One in the morning 7:00am, then not on again till 8:00pm that evening. Every show should be that way so they aren't stale and old in a week.

That's my two cents.

Finally somebody says something intelligent...thank you Jazman.

[Zechs]

It seems a lot of people are pissed because of the changes. I hate it now that CN has decied to go with what's popular rather than giving the fans respect and listing to them. CN is going the way of nick ditching orignalty for populraity. I tend to hate channels like this. Soon CN will be another boring network really dosen't stand out. But that's what happens when one decides that they want more than what the mainstream has to offer. My advice to fans who's show are removed is to find somethng elses to do. Also if you are really pissed protest by not watching anything on that network.

[cartoonist2010]

It seems a lot of people are pissed because of the changes. I hate it now that CN has decied to go with what's popular rather than giving the fans respect and listing to them. CN is going the way of nick ditching orignalty for populraity. I tend to hate channels like this. Soon CN will be another boring network really dosen't stand out. But that's what happens when one decides that they want more than what the mainstream has to offer. My advice to fans who's show are removed is to find somethng elses to do. Also if you are really pissed protest by not watching anything on that network.

Thank you. I'm glad somebody else has a good, honest, and intelligent post also...thank you Zechs... :)

[Senbei Norimaki]

It seems a lot of people are pissed because of the changes. I hate it now that CN has decied to go with what's popular rather than giving the fans respect and listing to them. CN is going the way of nick ditching orignalty for populraity. I tend to hate channels like this. Soon CN will be another boring network really dosen't stand out. But that's what happens when one decides that they want more than what the mainstream has to offer. My advice to fans who's show are removed is to find somethng elses to do. Also if you are really pissed protest by not watching anything on that network.

Yeah I don't watch TV that much anymore since I have a nice collection of Foreign films on DVD. Everytime I see a cartoon cartoon on Cartoon Network I change the channel. :bosko:

Why did Cartoon Network stop airing Black & White looney tunes? :bosko:

[Sam Hill]

Nobody asked you to do that. I'm mature enough to not listen to other people's negative comments. Plus, I don't give a crap about the other message boards that I don't have any interest in. We all know you don't like classic cartoons very much, so quit pretending to. The dozens of negative comments you've made in the past pretty much says what I'm saying is true.

What dozens of negative comments? He was simply defending something that you and others were unfairly critisizing.

[cartoonist2010]

Yeah I don't watch TV that much anymore since I have a nice collection of Foreign films on DVD. Everytime I see a cartoon cartoon on Cartoon Network I change the channel. :bosko:

Why did Cartoon Network stop airing Black & White looney tunes? :bosko:

I've never seen black and white looney tunes...I've seen the really old colour ones when bugs looks a lot different than his trademark appearance...but I never knew there were b/w episodes...

[Jack]

I've never seen black and white looney tunes...I've seen the really old colour ones when bugs looks a lot different than his trademark appearance...but I never knew there were b/w episodes...
Most of Porky Pig's cartoons are black and white, and Daffy was in about 14 B&W cartoons. There are 200+ B&W Warner Bros. cartoons in all. Aside for cameos, Bugs Bunny never appeared in a black and white cartoon. Most of the Porkys were computer colorized in the early 90's.

A lot of people don't realize just how many cartoons Warner Bros. made. There were about 1,000 Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies.

[cartoonist2010]

I remember a while back seeing a Merrie Melody cartoon, from 1942.

At the end of the show, it had an ad that said "Buy War Bonds"

I thought it was a little funny...but cool

[donutbandit]

A lot of people don't realize just how many cartoons Warner Bros. made. There were about 1,000 Looney Tunes/Merrie Melodies.

There are many cartoons from that era, including Popeye cartoons that you will never see. Reasons?

1. B&W w/bad animation.

2. Objectionable content, like racism, woman beating and war mongering.

3. Not politically correct.

For example, I clearly remember a Popeye cartoon where Bluto slugged Olive in the face. Blacks were portrayed as bumbling, shuffling morons with huge white lips. There are Tom & Jerry episodes that are not shown any more.

[Senbei Norimaki]

There are many cartoons from that era, including Popeye cartoons that you will never see. Reasons?

1. B&W w/bad animation.

They maybe in Black & White but they don't have bad animation. The cartoons from the 30's have good animation. I was surprised to see in my Mickey Mouse in B & W set a cartoon from the 30's in 3D. I also think there animation is better than the cartoon cartoons.
2. Objectionable content, like racism, woman beating and war mongering.
As a Black person I don't find the cartoons racist. Hell, I find them funny. The animators were not trying to be racist. That is the way blacks were drawned in the 30's. Whites were also potrayed as idiots in these cartoons. Have you ever seen a E.Fudd or a Y.Sam cartoon.
3. Not politically correct.

For example, I clearly remember a Popeye cartoon where Bluto slugged Olive in the face. Blacks were portrayed as bumbling, shuffling morons with huge white lips. There are Tom & Jerry episodes that are not shown any more.
I'm so sick of everything having to be Politically Correct in this country. That is the reason why I watch anime. Anime doesn't have to be politically correct.

[RKillian]

Okay then, stop compaining about everything and maybe I wouldn't think you hated everything...maybe if you praised a cartoon you actually liked instead of talking only about those you don't like....

So, here we go again. I express dislike for _four_ cartoons and suddenly I hate everything? Have you no ability to infer that I might _like_ what I _haven't_ complained about? Come on, connect the dots for crying out loud.

You have no room to talk, moaning endlessly about Nelson's post. He was angry that Popeye's slot was taken by an over-aired cartoon...which is completely true. Since you've taken to such wailing over it, might I assume you hate _all_ forum posts? I don't know if that'd be stupid or disturbing...

[donutbandit]

As a Black person I don't find the cartoons racist. Hell, I find them funny. The animators were not trying to be racist. That is the way blacks were drawned in the 30's. Whites were also potrayed as idiots in these cartoons. Have you ever seen a E.Fudd or a Y.Sam cartoon.

From your picture, it's plain that you are far too young to truly understand those times and what those caricatures really meant. When you find out why white audiences howled at comedians who donned blackface and shuffled around on stage like apes, then you'll understand .

The point I was making was that those cartoons are not shown because of those things in them.

Since they have pulled all the very early cartoons that had terrible animation, how could you ever have seen one?

[Zechs]

As a Black person I don't find the cartoons racist. Hell, I find them funny. The animators were not trying to be racist. That is the way blacks were drawned in the 30's. Whites were also potrayed as idiots in these cartoons. Have you ever seen a E.Fudd or a Y.Sam cartoon.

That's where you would be wrong. I don't find these cartoons insulting because at that time being racist was the norm. But most if not all were ment to be racist. As an african american I feel these toons aren't all that bad I have far more important things to be worried than old outdated animation. IMO they are funny, but to some they hurt which is why they are no longer aired.

[Jack]

Since they have pulled all the very early cartoons that had terrible animation, how could you ever have seen one?
Disney released a huge collection of black and white Mickey cartoons last year, Late Nite Black and White used to play early Merrie Melodies, Nickelodeon used to play Bosko and Buddy cartoons, AMC used to play Fliescher cartoons, and there are probably hundreds of them in public domain. It's not that hard to have seen them.

Cartoon Network doesn'y play the early Bosko and Buddy cartoons because Warner Bros. refuses to send them copies of them, and they played the Porkys up until a few months ago. There are people who think Bosko is somehow racist, I guess they've never seen his cartoons. He was originally a black caricature, but he was never presented as an offensive one.

Most older cartoons are kept off TV not because they are badly animated or racist, it's because they are black and white and don't have profittable characters in them.


Jack :bosko:

[Zechs]

.

Cartoon Network doesn'y play the early Bosko and Buddy cartoons because Warner Bros. refuses to send them copies of them, and they played the Porkys up until a few months ago. There are people who think Bosko is somehow racist, I guess they've never seen his cartoons. He was originally a black caricature, but he was never presented as an offensive one.
Jack :bosko:
Bosko racist? Hmmmmmmmm I never even knew he was supposed tbe black. I just always saw as a dog thingy when I was a kid. Now I see him as a classic cartoon character. He was a dog right?

[Jack]

Bosko racist? Hmmmmmmmm I never even knew he was supposed tbe black. I just always saw as a dog thingy when I was a kid. Now I see him as a classic cartoon character. He was a dog right?
He was black originally, he even had a southern accent in a couple early cartoons, but that was quickly dropped in favor of a high Mickey-Mouse-like voice. He pretty much became an ink-blot of ambiguous race/species until Harman and Ising went to MGM. At MGM, Bosko was redesigned into a little black child.

The creators of Tiny Toons made Bosko into a dog. Before that, most people tended to think Bosko was a monkey, which is what Hugh Harman retroactively made him in a few 1950's era coloring books, going so far as to give him a tail.

[Senbei Norimaki]

Bosko racist? Hmmmmmmmm I never even knew he was supposed tbe black. I just always saw as a dog thingy when I was a kid. Now I see him as a classic cartoon character. He was a dog right?

Bosko is Black and also the first WB cartoon star. :bosko: Tiny toons changed him into a dog. :mad: Now that's offensive!!!

I know why the audiences laughed at minstrel shows because they were funny. I know all about blackface the happy slave. Minstrel shows were started by the Irish Immigrants. They had to compete with freed Black slaves in the North for jobs. So they started mintrel shows to make the Blacks look stupid.

Wouldn't you laugh at some idiot acting like a monkey on stage? I don't believe history should be hidden.

[pabcool]

Okay, now I'm calm.

Case closed.

And thank god.



*marches off into the sunset with a smile on his face*

[Daniel P]

Bosko is Black and also the first WB cartoon star. :bosko: Tiny toons changed him into a dog. :mad: Now that's offensive!!!Bosko wasn't black. He was an ink blot.

In the MGM cartoons (1934-1937) he was a black boy, but not in the WB toons. He was just an ink blot.

[Jave]

OK, I'll make this sole post on this thread to express my opinion, after that, I'm done:

The main reason why most people are pissed at CN for replacing "The Popeye Show" with "Ed, Edd and Eddy", is mainly because it was the only place fans could watch the sailorman, he's now completely off the air, save for a weekly 2:00AM airing.

Second, "The Popeye Show" wasn't an ordinary Popeye block. It featured fully restored cartoons, in their original black & white form, and with original opening sequences that most of them, have not been seen since the cartoons originally aired theatrically. That was heaven for most cartoon collectors, specially since many people managed to see cartoons they've never come across before. An uncut "Happy Birthdaze" (a cartoon filled with suicide gags), and restored versions of "Alpine for You", "Tops in the Big Tops" and "Popeye, the Ace of Space" (three cartoons with unique openings) were highlights of this show.

Third, E,E&E is definitely overplayed, yet NONE of the people at TTTP started to bash the show after "Popeye" was taken off the air. They bashed CN and whoever made that (crappy) decision. Most of the people that stated they didn't like E,E&E didn't like the show from before.

Finally, I think E,E&E is an OK show, but it has way too much airtime, and that's not good for Popeye and all other classic cartoons that are currently being treated like crap by CN. Popeye, Bugs Bunny, Tom & Jerry, and all of them were there when CN was founded... it's just not fair.

And one final word for Eds4ever: I totally respect your opinion, but keep this in mind, Danny Antonucci stated that his favorite cartoon character is Popeye. If it wasn't for the spinach eatin' sailor, Ed, Edd and Eddy might have never existed in the first place!

Point made, end of post.

- Javier :chilly:

[Senbei Norimaki]

Bosko wasn't black. He was an ink blot.

In the MGM cartoons (1934-1937) he was a black boy, but not in the WB toons. He was just an ink blot.

:o I was mistaken then. :o :bosko: If he was just a blob of ink why did they turn him into a dog on Tiny Toons?

[Senbei Norimaki]

As a History buff I think Popeye show should be on TV. It was the only show with uncut classic cartoons.

[Wanted]

I wouldn't say that. Matt is a person who is a fan of both modern and classic cartoons, and cares enough to stick up for BOTH of them -- when people say Popeye is for children :rolleyes: -- or when people are bashing his The PowerPuff Girls for having too many ads on television. And that's perfectly fine, it shows that he has more diverse tastes than most people. Or at least that's what I think. :shrug:Might I note that I have good taste in all cartoons also; that's why I am Toonmaster!

[Wanted]

Before somebody closes this thread up, we need to work this thing out AS CIVILIZED HUMAN BEINGS. I'm amazed at some of the posts I've seen in the past two days.

Now, WITHOUT INSULTING ANYBODY, somebody may present their case calmly and as mature adults...

Anyone who wants to help in mediation just post.All adults aren't smart or mature, you know.

[Wanted]

And what the heck is the TTTP?

[The Dork Knight]

:o I was mistaken then. :o :bosko: If he was just a blob of ink why did they turn him into a dog on Tiny Toons?

They changed him into a dog, because they belived he would offend people if he the inkblot character (Since most people thought the inkblot Bosko was a black person).

Also, black and white cartoons are rarely shown on TV today, because the network suits think the the B&W cartoons will bore their children demographic. What's sad is that I've asked people if they thought B&W cartoons were boring.... They all said yes... :(

And what the heck is the TTTP?

The "TTTP" is the "Termite Terrace Trading Post". It's a place where you can talk freely about classic animation.

- The Dork Knight

[Eric B]

Gee, I can see that this has become the next Scooby Doo. (Not too long ago everyone was complaining about how much Scooby was overplayed).
CN is now mainly for new stuff. Boomerang is for the old. Popey still plays there M-Th at 10PM. I was annoyed years ago when the WB contracts with Nick and ABC were running out, they were getting access to more and more LT's, but the nightly prime time show )originally 2 hours!) was getting amaller and smaller, replacd by more Cartoon-cartoons, and finally it was replaced by the Sat/Sun morning blocks. They had gotten Tiny Toons and Animaniacs, but gave them lously airing, and Spielberg, who apparently still has some control over them, pulled them back to Nick; now they're lost somewhere over there again. Nick too, you have TVLand, so a lot of older stuff goes there. Nick and Cn are competing for they younger crowd, with the newer cartoons. Perhaps CN should have waited until Boomerang was more available before going wholesale into new stuff.

Ed, Edd, & Eddy, it took me 2 years to really notice it, and it is a personality based cartoon. You have to understand the different personalities to appreciate the hilarity of it. (I was rolling today at both airings of My Fair ed, when Edd has to teach the other two manners and pulls bandages off of their heads). In something like that, animation doesn't really matter. It is dialogue oriented.
Dr. Katz I guess may have been a novel idea in its own right, but for them to copy the format in Home Movies was going to far. I used to get specifically annoyed that they would put it first, playing it twice, and then push the new Brak, Birdman and Space Ghost back late. EE&E is a bot different than those, in that you see more than people's faces, and i think the kid humor is funnier than that silly adult phlosophical humor, or whatever that was.

Bosko was truly ambigious, as someone said. He was basically a hybrid black boy/monkey.

[Zechs]

. EE&E is a bot different than those, in that you see more than people's faces, and i think the kid humor is funnier than that silly adult phlosophical humor, or whatever that was.


I find the humor on adult swim to be more intresting than the silly stuff you see on EEnE. I'm sorry but I really don't see the point in it. I'm quite sure it has its good points but from watching it I've seen yet to find them. Besides if you don't like AS don't watch it. Just like I don't watch EEnE because it's just not my style.

[Eric B]

It's not that I don't like Adult Swim, I just felt that with Dr. Katz, you didn't really need Home Movies, and the point was that EE&E, while having a similar squigglevision animation, does seem to have more funny action than Dr. Katz and Home Movies. (the SG/Birdman related shows has mor funny action as well).

[RKillian]

Perhaps CN should have waited until Boomerang was more available before going wholesale into new stuff.

Listen up folks, this right here is the answer to _all_ our animation problems...

[cartoonist2010]

So, here we go again. I express dislike for _four_ cartoons and suddenly I hate everything? Have you no ability to infer that I might _like_ what I _haven't_ complained about? Come on, connect the dots for crying out loud.

You have no room to talk, moaning endlessly about Nelson's post. He was angry that Popeye's slot was taken by an over-aired cartoon...which is completely true. Since you've taken to such wailing over it, might I assume you hate _all_ forum posts? I don't know if that'd be stupid or disturbing...

No, I would assume that the shows you haven't complained about were ones you liked, however, you don't seem to have very many good posts.

I have not "moaned" endlessly about Nelson's post, I have simply stated that Nelson got to say his peace without insult, let Eds4Ever have hers.

Now Mr. Killian, you seem to like arguing on a forum, for if you look at my pervious posts, I want to try to settle the argument once and for all. And we had, we started talking about classic cartoons before you came in here and started the argument over once again.

I don't know what your problem is, but so far in this post, you haven't managed to put one positive comment into your posts.

Now, if you have the common sense of an ant, you would drop the argument and start talking about more positive things, instead of trying to keep an argument going that had already ended.

[RKillian]

Alright, now I've had enough.

Give me a break. You're the one replying to a post I made at 1 AM. Don't even try to pretend otherwise.

You just can't accept that someone can like some things and post more vocally about disliking others. Or that people have opinions that are, gasp, different than yours. Or that people, gasp, won't roll over and abandon said conviction just because you feel otherwise.

That's my problem, having to beat a such an obvious truth into you and others that share your mindset. You argue like a liberal, attacking peoples' attitudes instead of facing the issue at hand.

Your "settling" is nothing more than a condescending "I'm right, so stop 'fighting' over it" remark. Apparently you're not satisfied even with that, as you continually reply to what I've been posting. Usually, it's correcting something you either glossed over or somehow read the opposite of. This "arguement" isn't stimulating my ego or my intellect in any way, so I would conclude you're being naive on what I think or do.

I'll take my turn at being rude, and tell YOU to stop arguing "if you have the common sense of an ant". Now let's be done talking of EEnE, period. I've got to meet the mob forming outside of CN in an hour :P

The end. Get it? Feel free to pursue this without me.

[cartoonist2010]

The end. Get it? Feel free to pursue this without me.

Bye Bye RKillian...

Now, back to the topic at hand before...

I've never seen a b/w Popeye episode...I thought that all cartoons were colour since back then, colour movies must have been special to people, because most of the live-action movies of the 1930s were in b/w

[Senbei Norimaki]

Bye Bye RKillian...

Now, back to the topic at hand before...

I've never seen a b/w Popeye episode...I thought that all cartoons were colour since back then, colour movies must have been special to people, because most of the live-action movies of the 1930s were in b/w

The first color cartoon was made in 1932. It was a color cartoon titled Flowers and Trees. Disney own the rights to the color process for 3 years so I guess the other studios started making color cartoons in 1935?

[cartoonist2010]

The first color cartoon was made in 1932. It was a color cartoon titled Flowers and Trees. Disney own the rights to the color process for 3 years so I guess the other studios started making color cartoons in 1935?

Wow! I never knew that the rights to colour cartoons were owned by Disney. I remember only one b/w cartoon, and that was "Steamboat Willie", Disney's first cartoon.

[Eddy]

Wow! I never knew that the rights to colour cartoons were owned by Disney. I remember only one b/w cartoon, and that was "Steamboat Willie", Disney's first cartoon.

The Steamboat Willy I know was in black and white... O_o

EDIT: Sorry! Sorry! Sorry! I read this wrong! :sweat: Forgive me for being a dumbass...

[Senbei Norimaki]

Wow! I never knew that the rights to colour cartoons were owned by Disney. I remember only one b/w cartoon, and that was "Steamboat Willie", Disney's first cartoon.

Steamboat Willie is the first cartoon with sound. Disney made a ton of silent cartoons before Steamboat Willie. The Alice Comedies & Oswald the Lucky Rabbit also he made 2 Mickey Mouse Cartoons before Steamboat Willey. Most People don't know this but Pete is the oldest Disney character still used today not Mickey.

[Daniel P]

Wow! I never knew that the rights to colour cartoons were owned by Disney. I remember only one b/w cartoon, and that was "Steamboat Willie", Disney's first cartoon.That wasn't Disney's first cartoon. It was Disney's first sound cartoon. They started cartoons in 1922, I believe.

[Daniel P]

Bye Bye RKillian...

Now, back to the topic at hand before...

I've never seen a b/w Popeye episode...I thought that all cartoons were colour since back then, colour movies must have been special to people, because most of the live-action movies of the 1930s were in b/wIf you've seen a Fleischer Popeye cartoon, almost all of them were made in B&W and when you see the hand-colorized versions, notice how horrible the quality is? Ugly, crude, full of mistakes, the beautiful backgrounds in the B&W cartoons ruined.

[Jack]

Disney had an exclusive contract with Technicolor to use thier amazing new three color process. The other cartoon studios, if they wanted to make color cartoons, had to use either two-strip Technicolor or Cinecolor, neither one produced colors as nice as the three strip process.

The first Warner Bros. cartoon in color was Honeymoon Hotel in 1934. It was Cinecolor. After using Cinecolor in two cartoons, they switched to two-strip Technicolor. They finally switched to full three strip Technicolor when it was made available. Color was used for Merrie Melodies exclusively until 1942/1943, when Looney Tunes finally switched over. It was felt that cartoons with popular characters didn't really need the added boost of color, which is why so many Porky Pig and Popeye cartoons are black and white, and why so many musical one shots with happy flowers, toys, animals, etc are in color.

[Daniel P]

It was felt that cartoons with popular characters didn't really need the added boost of color, which is why so many Porky Pig and Popeye cartoons are black and white, and why so many musical one shots with happy flowers, toys, animals, etc are in color.I guess that explains why Disney didn't start Mickey Mouse cartoons in color until 1935, even though they had been using it on their Silly Symphonies for three years.

[shogunthethird]

I don't blame the eds for what's on CN, I rather like some of their stuff, Especially adult swim and SveS, Toonami has seen better days but who knows, I can see it getting better in the forseeable future (like about the time Funimation gets off their collective skidplates and releases ONE PIECE) I just don't particularly care for the eds because I'm not a fan of that squiggly art style, that and I don't like the voices either but that's just me, some people like the eds and that's fine for them, just don't go harranguing me about being some kind of mental deficient because my tastes are different then yours, it's just that simple

[Kirby]

I guess that explains why Disney didn't start Mickey Mouse cartoons in color until 1935, even though they had been using it on their Silly Symphonies for three years.

Actually, Dacp3 i hear that Disney couldn't afford to use 3-strip Technicolor on both the Mickey Shorts and the Silly Symphonies simultainiously

[Edd]

So... Eds4Ever said everyone had been bashing the Eds, this offended her, she posted this, argument starts, right?

I don't see much of a point in excessive bashing of a cartoon, expecially on a site like this when there's always the chance it's someone's favorite. Nothing's wrong when you explain your least favorite show or something, but starting threads about it?

Why'd Eds4ever want to know why people didn't like "Ed, Edd n Eddy," anyway? It's just their oppinion. And shouldn't you have known it would obviously bring more Eds bashing?

Personally, I love "Ed, Edd n Eddy!"

[donutbandit]

The squiggle vision on Dr. Katz was so extreme that it was almost unwatchable.

In EEnE, it has been tamed. I barely notice it. It's an attempt to bring movement into an otherwise still scene, like in real life. Nobody is ever completely still, unless they are asleep or dead.

What a lot of you may not know is that EEnE was made in classic cartoon style - hand drawn cels. I can't stand most of the new cartoons because of the computer animation. EEnE is one of the last of a dying breed - a REAL cartoon, not a glorified Flash presentation.

If you want to call any animation bad, go for the computer generated stuff.

[Killtacular]

Dude, don't pretend to know what you're talking about when you don't.

Computers don't magically animate cartoons. The only use of computers in today's television is coloring or inking. The actual animation is still done BY HAND (and then scanned in, or drawn on special tablets). There are only 3 or 4 Flash-made shows on television and quite frankly, they're not very popular anyway.

[Senbei Norimaki]

Actually, Dacp3 i hear that Disney couldn't afford to use 3-strip Technicolor on both the Mickey Shorts and the Silly Symphonies simultainiously
Mickey Mouse was very popolar in the 30's. So Walt thought Mickey's cartoons didn't need to be in color. People would see a Mickey cartoon regardless if it was in color or bw. :bosko:

[Zim_Zany9000]

I believe the warner Sibs if created without puppy dog ears could be found very offensive to some people....

[jackjakenjames]

Coming back... I got a q: Is there anybody who hates real life?

[Eddy]

Coming back... I got a q: Is there anybody who hates real life?

Um... I'm sorry but does that have anything to do with this topic?

[Conan-san]

the main 2 things were the elimation of Sailor moon and Popeye (wow, both sailor related shows, who would of thoght?) Both of which have quite the backing. Now thowin the fact that EEE is shown a good deal as it is and you make for an angry bunch of anime/clasic cartoon otaku.

[Ed_Stone86]

In a topic I was trying to defend the Eds and someone flamed my quote all I'm saying here is CN is to blame,
Thrashing Eds (ya, some people didn't okay none did it)
is not fine yet I think that instead of Eds go to CN
please don't flame me WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

[The Dork Knight]

Can't we all just get along?

- The Dork Knight

[Zechs]

No the Ed's must die for taking the only good animation show off CN j/k. :D But really people get over it already if it still bugs you. CN has made their choice it's time to move on. There are things I'd like to see on CN but won't happen any time soon so I just suck it up move on and buy or rent the show I like that CN won't air. This is the real world if it don't bring the cash it must be trash as far the networks are consrend. Also bashing shows is not the way.

It's not the Ed's fault they are replacing some of our fave shows. Me I just don't watch the ED's I either change the channel or * gasp* turn off the tube and read a good book, write or draw. Their's more to life than some show I suggest you all learn this because if you don't you'll just drive you're self mad trying to figure out why they took off your fave shows. All in all CN has the power to make choices for their shows and we have the power not to watch.

[rodney]

I don't care what the show is. If it's aired over 20 times a week, and replaces one of my favorite (not to mention the most historical program CN airs) shows, I'm not going to be happy with the show.....especially when the show it replaces only aired twice a week to begin with.

These Popeye shorts *deserve* to be seen. Some of you have never even seen a black and white cartoon....so it's not like you wouldn't be seeing something fresh, as opposed to an episode of a show that you've already seen 48 thousand times before.

[Jack]

It's not the Ed's fault they are replacing some of our fave shows. Me I just don't watch the ED's I either change the channel or * gasp* turn off the tube and read a good book, write or draw. Their's more to life than some show I suggest you all learn this because if you don't you'll just drive you're self mad trying to figure out why they took off your fave shows. All in all CN has the power to make choices for their shows and we have the power not to watch.
Just because someone is upset doesn't mean they have an unhealthy obsession with CN that has taken over their whole life. I'm angry that popeye was taken off, but when I'm not watching TV or posting online I draw, sometimes paint, collect 78rpm records and comics, and read books about architecture. But that doesn't mean I've forgotten how CN screwed Popeye.


Jack :bosko:

[Yash]

The Eds get enough airtime already... 24 friggin' times a week... =/

Can't say I don't like it, though.

Anyways...

This topic needs some bliss! (If that's okay, that is) :D

Lalalalala... lalalalala.... :)

[Kirby]

I don't care what the show is. If it's aired over 20 times a week, and replaces one of my favorite (not to mention the most historical program CN airs) shows, I'm not going to be happy with the show.....especially when the show it replaces only aired twice a week to begin with.

These Popeye shorts *deserve* to be seen. Some of you have never even seen a black and white cartoon....so it's not like you wouldn't be seeing something fresh, as opposed to an episode of a show that you've already seen 48 thousand times before.

And not only that, They'll show the Same 4 or 5 epspdes over and over during the week. Ed, Edd and Eddy Have about 40-60 episodes and Every ed epsiode in existance is shown every month

[Daniel P]

Okay, I am still ticked about Popeye. But I calmed down, and was hoping that maybe when Fall comes, the schedule would get better. Silly me! Can you believe that these days, a Droopy cartoon is rare? That's right! In fact, by next fall, seeing a Looney Tune will be rare! When fall comes, there will be more BABY LOONEY TUNES than classic LOONEY TUNES on CN. Now, if anyone wants to tell me *why* they need to see Totally Spies and Billy and Mandy and Ed, Edd, n Eddy replacing the few classic cartoon slots left, tell me. I'd love to hear your excuse.

I'm sorry, but this bares repeating: DROOPY CARTOONS ARE RARE. That's how bad classic cartoons are treated. No Tex Avery Show, no Late-Nite Black-and-White, no Acme Hour, no Bugs and Daffy... See, I have a valid complaint. Cartoon Network has gone to Hell just like Nickelodeon, just like the Disney Channel. Cartoon Network is supposed to be a variety animation channel, and that's not what I see when I turn the TV on.

[Animation Otaku]

Actually, in my opinion, CN is better than ever. I believe that CN is now entering it's golden age. Yu Yu Hakusho, Ruroni Kenshin, FLCL, Blue Gender, Big O, Futurama, Family Guy, and a whole slew of other new shows, plus older shows with new episodes coming like Home Movies, and Ed,Eddn'Eddy. Classic cartoons had their time, now it's time for the wave of tommorow's classics to get their time.

[Eric B]

Probably, more people are gaining access to Boomerang, with Broadband cable, if not with basic service, and all the old stuff is over there. CN only plays classic cartoons that still have cult-following (such as Scooby).

[Daniel P]

Actually, in my opinion, CN is better than ever. I believe that CN is now entering it's golden age. Yu Yu Hakusho, Ruroni Kenshin, FLCL, Blue Gender, Big O, Futurama, Family Guy, and a whole slew of other new shows, plus older shows with new episodes coming like Home Movies, and Ed,Eddn'Eddy. Classic cartoons had their time, now it's time for the wave of tommorow's classics to get their time.Yeah, in 60 years people will remember that stuff as classic. Puh-leeze :rolleyes:

"The classics had their time" is such an ignorant thing to say that if you actually think that then you shouldn't like any animation at all. A lot of shows are tributes to classic animation, and you wouldn't have your precious Ed, Edd, and Eddy if there weren't any classic cartoons.

[Daniel P]

Probably, more people are gaining access to Boomerang, with Broadband cable, if not with basic service, and all the old stuff is over there. CN only plays classic cartoons that still have cult-following (such as Scooby).There are several problems with what you say. Number one being that NOBODY HAS BOOMERANG, and I have requested, believe me, but I still don't have it after several years of requesting.

Number two is that Boomerang doesn't show many classic cartoons. They show a lot of Hanna-Barbera stuff, but not any real classics like Tom and Jerry, Popeye, Droopy, and Looney Tunes. Oh, they have a couple slots but they aren't often and they are the same edited versions that air on Cartoon Network!

Number three is that the real classic cartoons have way more of a following than Scooby Doo. Maybe in 2000, everybody liked Scooby Doo, but since then more and more people are starting to hate it more and more.

[ToonamiFanatic]

Actually, in my opinion, CN is better than ever. I believe that CN is now entering it's golden age. Yu Yu Hakusho, Ruroni Kenshin, FLCL, Blue Gender, Big O, Futurama, Family Guy, and a whole slew of other new shows, plus older shows with new episodes coming like Home Movies, and Ed,Eddn'Eddy. Classic cartoons had their time, now it's time for the wave of tommorow's classics to get their time.

I agree with animation otaku, classics are in the past most kids today would probably never watch looney toons. why watch something old when a kid could watch dexter or ed edd and eddie.I like the classics but just feel they wont fit in with todays kids.kids today want fart jokes and lots of slapstick humor.I also think this is CNs golden age I never could of imagine when cartoon network started they would ever show anime or anything on adult swim. they went from showing mostly HB cartoons and old shows like flintstones to anime like cowboy bebop and adult swim.

[Daniel P]

I agree with animation otaku, classics are in the past most kids today would probably never watch looney toons. why watch something old when a kid could watch dexter or ed edd and eddie.I like the classics but just feel they wont fit in with todays kids.kids today want fart jokes and lots of slapstick humor.No, all modern programming has fart jokes, and that's why kids like it. If kids could actually see some classic cartoons, they'd like it. My six-year-old brother was aloud to stay up on Sundays to watch the Popeye Show with me, but he's wondering why we don't do that anymore...

I also showed him some of my tapes that I recorded when ACME HOUR was still on, and he thinks that they are hilarious.

Just because most modern cartoons have fart jokes and slapstick, doesn't mean that that's good. :rolleyes:

Let's take this "age" concept out of the picture for a second, shall we? The classic cartoons are funnier, better animated, and still fresh (for the most part) today. If instead of calling them classic cartoons -- let's call them "Acme Cartoons" -- would that make a difference? What if we took all the Cartoon Cartoons and replaced them with the "Acme Cartoons", would everyone like that? Of course not. So why is it okay to do the opposite?

[Animation Otaku]

Yeah, in 60 years people will remember that stuff as classic. Puh-leeze :rolleyes:

"The classics had their time" is such an ignorant thing to say that if you actually think that then you shouldn't like any animation at all. A lot of shows are tributes to classic animation, and you wouldn't have your precious Ed, Edd, and Eddy if there weren't any classic cartoons.

Yes, I believe that many of those shows will be remembered in 60 years the way Popeye and Lonney Tunes are today. And as far as your other comments, you have to understand that their comes a time when shows need to step aside and let the newer shows take over. There is still Boomerang after all, and DVD's.

[Animation Otaku]

No, all modern programming has fart jokes, and that's why kids like it. If kids could actually see some classic cartoons, they'd like it. My six-year-old brother was aloud to stay up on Sundays to watch the Popeye Show with me, but he's wondering why we don't do that anymore...

I also showed him some of my tapes that I recorded when ACME HOUR was still on, and he thinks that they are hilarious.

Just because most modern cartoons have fart jokes and slapstick, doesn't mean that that's good. :rolleyes:

Fart jokes? What the hell? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: You have to be the biggest idiot I have ever seen, I can't think of a single fart joke in any episode of Ed,Eddn'Eddy, kids like modern shows because they have something that classics didn't, but it isn't fart jokes. It starts with a 'p' and rhymes with 'lot'. Care to take a guess?

[Daniel P]

you have to understand that their comes a time when shows need to step aside and let the newer shows take over. There is still Boomerang after all, and DVD's.And so you will be this calm when all of your favorite shows are taken over by newer stuff, right?

[Animation Otaku]

And so you will be this calm when all of your favorite shows are taken over by newer stuff, right?

Yes, because they are all available on DVD(except for the Eds, but they should be on DVD within a couple of years). The only time I've ever gotten upset is with Zoids: CC, which never got a full run(points at avatar and custom title), but that returns next week at 6:00 AM.

[Daniel P]

Yes, because they are all available on DVD(except for the Eds, but they should be on DVD within a couple of years).I am sorry, but I doubt it. I think that three years from now, EEnE will be given the same treatment that C&C and Johnny Bravo have, to make way for the newer Cartoon Cartoons. I fear the same will happen to Courage the Cowardly Dog.

And as for Classic Cartoons on DVD, I wish I could be as happy as you are. Popeye will likely never see a DVD release (there has been talk of it lately, but I think we are being too optimistic), and only 56 WB cartoons will be on DVD by this fall. Tom and Jerry's only releases have been edited one-disc best-ofs. No thanks. :shrug::(

[Animation Otaku]

I am sorry, but I doubt it. I think that three years from now, EEnE will be given the same treatment that C&C and Johnny Bravo have, to make way for the newer Cartoon Cartoons. I fear the same will happen to Courage the Cowardly Dog.

Ed,Eddn'Eddy has a much bigger following then those shows. It frequently places on CN's top 100 broadcasts of the month and was the number one broadcast on CN last July.

[Eric B]

There are several problems with what you say. Number one being that NOBODY HAS BOOMERANG, and I have requested, believe me, but I still don't have it after several years of requesting.
I guess then you have to get broadband. Perhaps most basic services aren't getting it, and perhaps it's to encourage people to get Broadband, or perhaps there just isn't enough room in basic.
Number two is that Boomerang doesn't show many classic cartoons. They show a lot of Hanna-Barbera stuff, but not any real classics like Tom and Jerry, Popeye, Droopy, and Looney Tunes. Oh, they have a couple slots but they aren't often and they are the same edited versions that air on Cartoon Network!
They show Popeye every night, and have recently added the Harveytunes stuff I haven't seen in ages. The Droopy and Tom & Jerry and LT's are generally rotated when particular years are shown. Much of the weekday has been devoted to super adventure now. Tom & Jerry is playing a lot on CN.
Number three is that the real classic cartoons have way more of a following than Scooby Doo. Maybe in 2000, everybody liked Scooby Doo, but since then more and more people are starting to hate it more and more. Still, it is popular enough to the younger fans they are appealing to, especially with the renewed popularity following the movie.

[ToonamiFanatic]

No, all modern programming has fart jokes, and that's why kids like it. If kids could actually see some classic cartoons, they'd like it. My six-year-old brother was aloud to stay up on Sundays to watch the Popeye Show with me, but he's wondering why we don't do that anymore...


not all modern programming has fart jokes just a few shows.besides kids I know think looney tunes is boring and gets old after awhile and want something new to watch. yeah a few kids might like it but the majority probably dont.and besides theres dvds coming out for the classic cartoons. only classic cartoon i dont like is tom and jerry

[Daniel P]

I guess then you have to get broadband. Perhaps most basic services aren't getting it, and perhaps it's to encourage people to get Broadband, or perhaps there just isn't enough room in basic.I have digital cable. I have MTV2 and Toon Disney... two of the most worthless channels I can think of... and I don't have Boomerang. It seems that Comcast is too comfortable with their current line-up to get any new channels.

[Daniel P]

not all modern programming has fart jokes just a few shows.besides kids I know think looney tunes is boring and gets old after awhile and want something new to watch. yeah a few kids might like it but the majority probably dont.and besides theres dvds coming out for the classic cartoons. only classic cartoon i dont like is tom and jerryMy brother likes Looney Tunes. He doesn't know that they are old. What difference does age make? And, no, there only a few DVDs with classic cartoons. Sure, there is a 56-cartoon set of Looney Tunes in October, but that's nothing! 1,000 cartoons were made!

[Animation Otaku]

My brother likes Looney Tunes. He doesn't know that they are old. What difference does age make? And, no, there only a few DVDs with classic cartoons. Sure, there is a 56-cartoon set of Looney Tunes in October, but that's nothing! 1,000 cartoons were made!

Well, the difference is that a lot of modern cartoons have superior animation and storytelling techniques due to improvement over time. Plus you can only watch the same episodes of something so many times. Not only that, but while there were a lot of Looney Tunes, most of them had repetitive and similar plots.

[RKillian]

Why do people keep dredging this thread back up?

[Mojo_Jojo]

Why do people keep dredging this thread back up?

Finally someone else who agrees with me. Here we go again with this thread. I'm sure there will be some show bashing in this thread.

[The Dork Knight]

If this thread does'nt end, I'll be forced to post pictures of the movie Battlefield:Earth. Stop the madness!!!

- The Dork Knight

[Meow]

I can't think of a single fart joke in any episode of Ed,Eddn'Eddy I can think of at least one. Ed Edd and Eddy were all in some water...then some bubbles came up and Ed had this really stupid smile on his face. I think it's pretty obvious what he was doing. There's probably more, (that show seems to rely on gross jokes a lot of the time) but I don't watch it that much so I can't think of any more examples.

Well, the difference is that a lot of modern cartoons have superior animation and storytelling techniques due to improvement over time. Not the comedy based shows. (there are a few exceptions) Let's keep in mind that many (almost all of them actually) of the older toons aren't going for a sophisticated plot and well developed characterization. They're just supposed to be funny and entertaining. I think they acomplish it very well. No cartoon can make me laugh like the Tex Avery shorts. The man was a genius when it came to comedy.

Plus you can only watch the same episodes of something so many times. That's the point a lot of people are trying to make. Ed Edd n Eddy gets shown too much plain and simple. Some posters have already pointed out that there are plenty of classic toons that have never aired. 1000? Seems like you wouldn't run across many reruns if CN would air more of them.

Anyways, I certainly don't think that classic toons should be taken off CN so "the newer shows can take over". Unfortunately, that does seem to be the way things work nowadays, but that doesn't make it right. I also don't think there are many cartoons on right now that will be remembered for generations like the classic ones are. They're regarded as classics for a reason.

And sorry to the people who really want this thread to end....if it bothers you that much, just ignore it. This is the first time I've seen this thread. I don't visit this forum often.

[Daniel P]

Well, the difference is that a lot of modern cartoons have superior animation and storytelling techniques due to improvement over time. Plus you can only watch the same episodes of something so many times. Not only that, but while there were a lot of Looney Tunes, most of them had repetitive and similar plots.Did I just hear someone who likes Cartoon Cartoons saying classics have inferior animation and repetitive plots? Please.

It's really the other way around. I can't think of a single show that has better animation than a 1940's Tom and Jerry short. Notice how they are fully-animated? I can think of a few Disney movies, maybe TREASURE PLANET, that had better animation, but heck, that cost $140,000,000 to make. Watch a Goofy short and tell me that ED, EDD, AND EDDY is better animated. Watch a black-and-white Porky Pig short -- yes, black-and-white -- and tell me it's better animated than CODENAME: KIDS NEXT DOOR.

The plots are superior also. Repetition is something in all cartoons. What's wrong with it in classic cartoons?

The fact is, Cartoon Network is no longer a variety channel. Tell me, why are you defending Cartoon Network? Do you mind if The Popeye Show is on once during prime time? Is that such a hassle? Is the Looney Tunes Show really bothering you? That complete two hours is sure making a lot of re-runs, isn't it? Even though they have about 900 cartoons to air (the other 100 are banned), you still think that they are in re-runs -- EEnE is re-run worse than any Looney Tune.

[Sam Hill]

I can think of at least one. Ed Edd and Eddy were all in some water...then some bubbles came up and Ed had this really stupid smile on his face. I think it's pretty obvious what he was doing. There's probably more, (that show seems to rely on gross jokes a lot of the time) but I don't watch it that much so I can't think of any more examples.

Uh, since you don't watch it you can't really form a valid opinion on it.

I've seen every episode of the show and it very rarely contains gross humor. The one you mentioned above is as drastic as it gets (and give me a break! They never went into details about Ed was doing! What about that whole "good thing we had those burritos for lunch" thing from PPG?).

[Jack]

Well, the difference is that a lot of modern cartoons have superior animation and storytelling techniques due to improvement over time. Not even the people working in animation today think that. While there are some technological advancements in animation today, they are cancelled out by other cost-saving maneuvers like shipping the animation overseas. It would be easy to argue than even the most low budget cartoons from the 40's have better animation than today's highest-budget cartoon series.

Plus you can only watch the same episodes of something so many times. Not only that, but while there were a lot of Looney Tunes, most of them had repetitive and similar plots.
Saying most of them did is a bit of a stretch. I'd say the cartoons from the mid 50's onward were repetitive, most of the cartoons from before that, save for a few remakes of B&W cartoons, experimented with different ideas and plots. And even the formula-driven series usually had different approaches to gags and things.

I would say the classic cartoons are no more repetitive than most current cartoons.

[Obi]

It's really the other way around. I can't think of a single show that has better animation than a 1940's Tom and Jerry short.

Cowboy Bebop, perhaps? :p

[Animation Otaku]

It's really the other way around. I can't think of a single show that has better animation than a 1940's Tom and Jerry short.

Cowboy Bebop, Ruroni Kenshin, any modern Hayao Miyazaki film, Big O, Futurama, Digimon Tamers, Zoids.

[Killtacular]

THIS THREAD IS STUPID.

It's getting you people NOWHERE. You're just running around in circles, never going to agree with each other.

There is no point for this thread to continue.

What's especially annoying is that dacp3 and Jack are contributing smart arguments to this discussion, and the other side is a bunch of idiotic feces throwing, making claims that don't even make sense.

WHY, GOD, WHY must this thread exist?


Animation Otaku: "Classic cartoons have had their time" renders all of your arguments invalid. DISQUALIFIED!

ToonamiFanatic: Try opening your mind to other forms of animation. Just because you don't like classic cartoons (and don't even try to convince me that you do, because I can see it in the tone of your arguments), doesn't mean ALL KIDS don't like classic cartoons.

While it is true that Looney Tunes isn't the most competent performer in the ratings, that's also due to the COMPLETE LACK OF ADVERTISING. Remember a year and half ago when Bugs and Daffy had a commercial in almost every other commercial break? Toonheads in primetime, Bob Clampett show on the weekends.. man, THAT was a "golden age." Combine that old lineup with the new Cartoon Cartoons and Adult Swim and the network would be perfect.

If Looney Tunes had more accessible slots and actual advertisement, I think we'd see better performances out of it. Tom and Jerry, though, can't have been doing well at 7 PM, for them to already be replacing it in August. I wonder if Tom and Jerry is starting to sink out of the spotlight.


Eric: Digital cable WILDLY varies in different areas. Comcast carries Boomerang but they do not carry Boomerang EVERYWHERE. In some locations, you can only access Boomerang through inDemand, which merely gives you 2 hours worth of programming a week. Hardly the same thing, is it?

dacp3: Dude, relax. Don't get beat up arguing with these mindless sheep (you know which ones I mean). They don't represent the average Cartoon Network viewer, I assure you. In the grand scheme of things, whether these people like classic cartoons or not is ultimately UNIMPORTANT. And seeing as they can't effectively communicate a point to you, it's not like they'd be able to convince anyone else to listen to what they say. So just treat them as harmless flies.

No need to insult Cartoon Network's original programming. You don't need to sink down to the level of these two narrow-minded readers. The average person here has equal respect for old and new animation. These people simply don't raise their voice now, either because they're afraid or they simply don't want to get involved in this thread (which is smart).

If everyone respected each others' taste in animation, I'm sure this thread would never have happened.. well, then again, we're talking about Edsfan...whatshername. I guess it would have still happened, but wouldn't have dragged on this far.

Jack: Good points all, but I think repetitivity really depends on the cartoon. Ed Edd n Eddy is VERY MUCH like Looney Tunes-style repetitivity, where the goal is the same (getting cash fast) but in various formats. Sort of like Roadrunner toons, only considerably less brainless, but not as visually humorous.

And shows like Samurai Jack or Futurama, show no sign of repetition at all. Futurama, of course, could be argued to have repetivity in Fry's romantic quest for Leela but the show hardly focuses on this crush for more than 10% of the series.

SUMMATION:

+ Cartoon Cartoons are not the greatest thing ever. Each show has their faults, their times of brilliance, and not all of the shows will be remembered but a distinct few will always stay in the mainstream subconscious. I don't think people will ever be able to forget Dexter or PPG, though it would be easy for them to forget Cow and Chicken.

+ Looney Tunes are not the greatest thing ever. Each director's had his faults, his times of brilliance, and not all of the tunes will be rememebered, but a distinct few of the tunes will always stay in the mainstream subsconcious. Obviously noone forgets the core characters of the Tunes, but that's only because the franchise lasted 40 years before totally self-destructing. If Cartoon Cartoons had that time to grow, they'd be just as famous.

+ Ed Edd n Eddy is a show for people WITH A SPECIFIC TASTE. Some people will love it, some people will think it's okay, and some people will think it's absolute garbage. It's OKAY not to like it. You may not get the show, or you may not like the designs, but that doesn't make it a "bad" cartoon. From an artistic standpoint, the show executes, at the least, decently, in terms of storyboarding, direction, and voice-acting. It's just not your cup of tea, is all. And really, that's all you've gotta say..

+ Cartoon Network is NOT perfect, and will always need restructuring, and now, more than ever. I am not even going to touch on WHAT needs to change, because that only serves to anger a certain side (those who like anime, those who like classic cartoons, those who like cartoon cartoons, etc). Also because I hate doing "here's my dream schedule" threads. Just know that Cartoon Network could use some fine tuning.

+ If you ever wish to make a serious argument with someone, use capitalization, punctuation, and THINK OUT what you're going to say before you say it. A lot of arguing I see in this thread is "No, YOU'RE stupid!" or stream of consciousness typing that only makes sense to you and you alone. People will take you more seriously if your message shows effort to prepare, effort to spellcheck, effort to truly make a rebuttal.

Noone's closed this thread, and I'm not a mod here, but I feel that I should finally close this thread. It's a dark chapter for this board, and the TTTP. I think we need to let this thing die and float away in the sea of regret, before coming back to this topic. It's not gotten anyone anywhere to begin with.


LAST MINUTE COMMENT:

Animation Otaku: Zoids, Futurama, and Digimon Tamers are NOT better than 1940s Tom and Jerry animation. Do not even pretend that they are. Futurama has very colorful, very exciting animated sequences, but it still cannot compare to the extremely fluid and extremely painful animation in Tom and Jerry. It just isn't. But then, you're not an artist or animator, and I am, so I guess perhaps it's easier for me to see this than you. But Jesus. Zoids' animation isn't even better than Sevenarts Looney Tunes. Woo, 3D robots. Yeah, and the rest of the animation? TOTAL CRAP.