View Full Version : SVES Talkback: Rurouni Kenshin - The Wolf Destroys the Shingan (Spoilers)
Killtacular
07-12-2003, 05:57 PM
Rurouni Kenshin moves to SVES, for an indetermined period of time. For that period of time, talkback will be regulated to this forum only, please.
Wow.
Just....wow.
That was so incredibly bad it was funny.
Wow.
It's great to finally see the OP to Rurouni Kenshin :D
Killtacular
07-12-2003, 09:32 PM
The English OP is a bit screechy but it's still great. I mean, obviously it fits the Tokyo arc better, but that's not the point.
I still don't know how anyone could prefer Smile Bomb to this.
Well, everyone has opinions....
...even if I don't understand them. :p
Bandit
07-12-2003, 09:37 PM
The English OP is a bit screechy but it's still great. I mean, obviously it fits the Tokyo arc better, but that's not the point.
I still don't know how anyone could prefer Smile Bomb to this.
Yay! 3 hours from now (Im on the west coast) I'll be able to watch one of my favorite anime openings on TV.
And thank god it's not the 2nd OP.
Infinity Blade
07-12-2003, 09:51 PM
Ergh... I looked away for a few moments and I missed how Saitou beat that guy... anyone care to fill me in? @.@:
ARGGHH!!!!
This is why I hate having Kenshin be only on Saturdays now...
Killtacular
07-12-2003, 09:56 PM
LOL.
He got killed by an invisible sword pinning him to the wall. I suppose that's the only way to get it in, but the BS&P is weird. I mean if you removed the blood and left the sword in, it should be alright. I mean Samurai Jack impales people. They're robots, but still. Impaling someone into the wall with a sword that has no blood, would look no different than how Jack killed the ninja in the black/white episode.
The_Dominion
07-12-2003, 09:56 PM
He used the final form of the Goutousa(sp?) and pierced the turtleshell and the sword apparently went through the shell through the guys stomach and hung him on the wall. But they might have edited him hanging by the sword.
Digu Volz
07-12-2003, 09:57 PM
Ergh... I looked away for a few moments and I missed how Saitou beat that guy... anyone care to fill me in? @.@:
Gatotsu: Zero Stance/Style, as he explained. Usui got too close, believing Saitou wouldn't be able to use the Gatostu at that range. Saitou impaled him, pinning him to the wall.
Anywho, this ep was okay, but not as good as Sano's fight. I was expecting a bit more. Saitou does have an interesting philosophy, though.
Killtacular
07-12-2003, 09:58 PM
They made the sword invisible. He was being pinned to the wall by a magical force.
gohan11
07-12-2003, 09:58 PM
editing glore :(
I can't even imagine how usui is supposed to be sticking to the wall like that :rolleyes:
blitzkrieg
07-12-2003, 09:59 PM
I think one of the things that threw me off with the intro was that they went from commercial straight into Freckles. It's not really a bad opener, just kind of different and it sort of felt odd to watch after seeing the ending so many times. Though it looks like now they're not even showing the end unless they're sticking a commerical break in between which I kind of doubt. Not as good as the Yu Yu opener but not as bad as the Big O opener. Just seemed really long and meandering.
The episode on the other hand was really good though still think it sticks out like a sore thumb on SVES. Have to say that I got chills at the end of the episode and hey I only have to wait a week for the next episode. Kenshin AND Hot Wheels next week! Woo!
Solitude1
07-12-2003, 10:00 PM
Wow. That was just awesome. Saitoh is da man. He's one of the only people on RK that dosen't show weakness in a battle and this one is no exception. I wasn't expecting a new version of the Gatsu. Very good. Plus he read his opponents bluff without even trying. Talk about adding insult to injury... :D
Looking forward to everybody at the dojo aginst the 3 from the Jupangatna. Should be interesting...
Even though I'm eagered to see Kensin face off against that boy, him facing off against Aoshi gets me just a lil bit excited...I wonder how he'll fend off against Aoshi's new twin swords....
Darn it. I hate waiting a week for this.... :(
Later
LOL.
He got killed by an invisible sword pinning him to the wall. I suppose that's the only way to get it in, but the BS&P is weird. I mean if you removed the blood and left the sword in, it should be alright. I mean Samurai Jack impales people. They're robots, but still. Impaling someone into the wall with a sword that has no blood, would look no different than how Jack killed the ninja in the black/white episode.
Oh GOD they really messed up. The invisible sword, the close up of Usui, them not showing Saitou's legs being pierced (which is crucial towards the end) Oh damn I was hoping that they were moving RK to SVES so that they could be a little easy on the editing. Guess they were just moving it so that they could milk it for cash.
PearlRose86
07-12-2003, 10:01 PM
Cool, cool, cool!
Great episode, although now I *really* wish we had next episode previews. If I can only see Kenshin once a week, I want to know what to expect next week, dangit! ^^
Saito's just so awesome. Liked how he was able to overcome the "Eye of the Heart" thing. Really, really looking forward to next week's episode now.
And "Freckles" is just plain sweet. ^_~
Maggie
JTurner954
07-12-2003, 10:04 PM
The episode itself was good as usual. I like how they have the different attacks for each fight and some backstory to the characters instead of making them look like some "jobber". Looks like Miss Kowru (sorry, I don't know the correct spelling) and the village is finally going to get involved in combat next week so I'll be there to watch.
The opening sounded like some Broadway tune. It also sounded like something one of those little girls would sing if they became teenagers. I have no problem with it; it's a lot better than the ending themes for Trigun and Cyborg 009.
Overall grade: A-
Kinel Ozoa
07-12-2003, 10:05 PM
It could have been worse... "I am Sailor Fujita! and in the name fo the Shen-sin-Gumi I will defeat you!" *does wand thing with his sword*
(Note: I'm not ragging on sailormoon or anything, it was just a funny mental immage.)
I'm glad to finally see an ep of Kenshin again, one per week is better that waiting untill Toonami's schedual changes. It's nice to see more into Saitohs philosopy, now officially one of my faveorite characters!
EightOh
07-12-2003, 10:08 PM
I like Smile Bomb better, but Freckles was good. Sort of makes the mix 'n match ending seem reduntant, though. :D
Solid ep. A bit more expository for a "fight" episode than I expected, but it was a nice look into the mindsets and backgrounds of both Saitou and the late Usui.
Now, for next Saturday to get here...
JetMaster5
07-12-2003, 10:14 PM
Hmm....that fight was dissappointing. Even without the edits, it's still seems like a letdown. I was hoping to see something more exciting than this fight, considering it was Saito vs. the blind guy. But no, it seems as though Saito beats Usui almost too easily. I dunno, but I agree with Digu Volz when he said the fight wasn't as good as Anji vs. Sano. Hopefully, Kenshin vs. Aoshi will change all that (if that ever happens).
Dabura
07-12-2003, 10:14 PM
Alright, I thought the OP was kinda weird and out of place, but I'm sure it'll grow on me. But the episode was good.. SIGH... now I have to wait a WEEK!! Calgon take me awaaaay!!!
Tapout
07-12-2003, 10:22 PM
Jeez... I sure am glad my DVDs are arriving this week. One episode a week, plus the butchering they've been doing just isn't going to cut it. The fight was kind of a let down after Sano vs. Anji, but it wasn't that bad aside from the edits.
Sorry I don't know the guy's name, but the dude who everyone thinks is a woman. He was refered to as she twice today. Has CN decided to make him a woman or is it because everyone still thinks he is?
Bandit
07-12-2003, 10:26 PM
Jeez... I sure am glad my DVDs are arriving this week. One episode a week, plus the butchering they've been doing just isn't going to cut it. The fight was kind of a let down after Sano vs. Anji, but it wasn't that bad aside from the edits.
Sorry I don't know the guy's name, but the dude who everyone thinks is a woman. He was refered to as she twice today. Has CN decided to make him a woman or is it because everyone still thinks he is?
i'm pretty sure everyone still think's he's a chick.
i mean, we aren't even supposed to know it's a guy until one scene when they are attacking the aoi-ya.
Artemis
07-12-2003, 10:32 PM
Alright, I thought the OP was kinda weird and out of place,
Only 'cause we're deep into the Kyoto Arc. The OP suits the light-hearted Tokyo Arc better. If you had seen it then, you'd probably like it more.
Hmm....that fight was dissappointing. Even without the edits, it's still seems like a letdown. I was hoping to see something more exciting than this fight, considering it was Saito vs. the blind guy. But no, it seems as though Saito beats Usui almost too easily. I dunno, but I agree with Digu Volz when he said the fight wasn't as good as Anji vs. Sano. Hopefully, Kenshin vs. Aoshi will change all that (if that ever happens).
Yeah, that fight wasn't the best of the arc, but it's the best at showing Saitou's true ability. His fights may not be flashy, and that's because he relies on countering and patience.
It was obvious that Saitou was in control the entire fight. The first time I wateched it I realized he was in control when he was able to control how the iron ball broke.
He allowed Usui two hits, all while taunting Usui. The taunting finally worked and Usui made a mistake. Saitou reacted with the Zero Gotatsu, and won easy.
In case anyone didn't see how he did the Zero Gotatsu, here's a little help.
http://www.miburo.com/Gallery/scan112.jpg
and the after effect
http://www.miburo.com/Gallery/scan113.jpg*
*Careful, it's kinda bloody.
Infinity Blade
07-12-2003, 10:37 PM
LOL.
He got killed by an invisible sword pinning him to the wall.
*blinks* Guess I didn't miss as much as I thought...
I suppose that's the only way to get it in, but the BS&P is weird. I mean if you removed the blood and left the sword in, it should be alright. I mean Samurai Jack impales people. They're robots, but still. Impaling someone into the wall with a sword that has no blood, would look no different than how Jack killed the ninja in the black/white episode.
Heck, Kuwabara stabbed Toguro bloodlessly, didn't he?
Granted... That was edited by FUNi, correct?
Mugen
07-12-2003, 10:38 PM
Yeah, that fight wasn't the best of the arc, but it's the best at showing Saitou's true ability. His fights may not be flashy, and that's because he relies on countering and patience.
It was obvious that Saitou was in control the entire fight. The first time I wateched it I realized he was in control when he was able to control how the iron ball broke.
He allowed Usui two hits, all while taunting Usui. The taunting finally worked and Usui made a mistake. Saitou reacted with the Zero Gotatsu, and won easy.
In case anyone didn't see how he did the Zero Gotatsu, here's a little help.
http://www.miburo.com/Gallery/scan112.jpg
and the after effect
http://www.miburo.com/Gallery/scan113.jpg*
*Careful, it's kinda bloody.
Who's the fighter Saitou hits with the Zero stance Gatotsu?
Heck, Kuwabara stabbed Toguro bloodlessly, didn't he? Granted...That was edited by FUNi right?
Yep, it was edited by FUNi. No blood either in the uncut version.
Who's the fighter Saitou hits with the Zero stance Gatotsu?
Yep, it was edited by FUNi. No blood either in the uncut version.
Have you seen the Samurai X OVA's? Do you remember the Oniwaban member that had the claw on his right hand that fought with the axe guy? The one that got stabbed through the hand by Kenshins Wakasashi? That's him, just a little Spawnified. He comes back in the Enishi arc during the manga. That arc was never put into the TV series, though it would have done better than the last "magic" arc.
Bubblegum Girl
07-12-2003, 10:49 PM
He got killed by an invisible sword pinning him to the wall.
I think there was supposed to be a real sword pinned on the guy but was edit out (Censorship. Go figure :shrug: ).
Zechs
07-12-2003, 10:53 PM
Yeah it looked strange the guy hanghing on the wall as if by magic.
Mugen
07-12-2003, 10:53 PM
I think there was supposed to be a real sword pinned on the guy but was edit out (Censorship. Go figure :shrug: ).
He knows that. He was being sarcastic.
I think there was supposed to be a real sword pinned on the guy but was edit out (Censorship. Go figure :shrug: ).
*watches as the joke goes flying over her head*
Zechs
07-12-2003, 10:55 PM
*Zooooooooooooooom!!!!!!!!!!!!!* Heh heh.
Mugen
07-12-2003, 10:59 PM
Have you seen the Samurai X OVA's? Do you remember the Oniwaban member that had the claw on his right hand that fought with the axe guy? The one that got stabbed through the hand by Kenshins Wakasashi? That's him, just a little Spawnified. He comes back in the Enishi arc during the manga. That arc was never put into the TV series, though it would have done better than the last "magic" arc.
Oh I remember. So Saitou kills him with the Zero Stance?
Oh I remember. So Saitou kills him with the Zero Stance?
I'm not that sure. The manga was in Japanese and I couldn't confirm anything. The only thing that happens is Saitou uses his Zero Gotatsu to impale his sword through the guys arm. The guy then tries to attack Saitou, but Saitou dodges and slams the guy head first into the ground. He then jerks the sword from the guys arm. I doubt the blood transfusions were very good back then, so yes, I believe the guy would die from severe blood loss.
http://www.miburo.com/multimedia/thumb4.html
You can see for yourself. It's the bottom section.
Killtacular
07-12-2003, 11:26 PM
To anyone that thought SVES would = less edits:
THIS MEANS YOU, KYLE POPE.
1. Williams Street does not edit their shows in real-time, nor do they even edit the episodes a week before airing. The edits were done MONTHS IN ADVANCE, and Williams Street has already moved onto the next shows (like editting FLCL).
2. Williams Street has nothing to do with SVES.
3. As such, Williams Street isn't going to take precious time out of their day RE-EDITTING episodes they've already done. BESIDES THE FACT THAT SVES DOESN'T AND MAY POSSIBLY NEVER HAVE TV-PG PROGRAMMING.
Even though the death scene in tonight's episode was handled the way it was, it was still made obvious that the person died.
I swear to god, if Kyle Pope makes a comment in his edit list saying he was hoping SVES would mean less edits, he truly is a naive moron.
Mugen
07-12-2003, 11:41 PM
3. As such, Williams Street isn't going to take precious time out of their day RE-EDITTING episodes they've already done. BESIDES THE FACT THAT SVES DOESN'T AND MAY POSSIBLY NEVER HAVE TV-PG PROGRAMMING.
Did WS go back and re-edit Gundam 0083?
LEGACY
07-12-2003, 11:46 PM
The opening theme sucks.
Grenzer
07-12-2003, 11:55 PM
I swear to god, if Kyle Pope makes a comment in his edit list saying he was hoping SVES would mean less edits, he truly is a naive moron.
Well old Kyle has never been well known for his pragmatism, or any kind of understanding of the reality of editing anime for that matter. :sweat:
I missed tonight's episode, but I've already seen it subtitled so I'll make my comments based of of that. This was for me one of the best parts of the Kyoto Arc when I originally saw it last year. The tension of how well Usui with his bizarre abilities would preform in a battle against a warrior like Saito drew you in, and the way Saito then preceeded to tear down Usui and utterly destroy him on every level only confirmed to me what an awesome storyteller Nobuhiro Watsuki is and how excellent his sense of pacing and characterization really is. Of course it really just a prelude to the final battles in this arc invoving Kenshin, but its one hell of a prelude none the less.
Even though its on only once a week now people, be strong and stick though it to the end; you will be richly rewarded.
EightOh
07-12-2003, 11:59 PM
Did WS go back and re-edit Gundam 0083?I don't believe so, no.
Roger Smith
07-13-2003, 12:22 AM
The Light Went Out Of My House Couldewnt Saw It
Shadow Gundam
07-13-2003, 12:34 AM
The Light Went Out Of My House Couldewnt Saw It
Sorry to hear about that, I hope you will be able to see this episode soon.. maybe rent the DVD it's on as I doubt it will be repeating probably for a month or two.
SSJ_Gogeta
07-13-2003, 01:05 AM
What I find cool is, WS can edit stuff & make it seamless as hell.
I hate FUNI's editing, since I can see everything jumping around all the time.
You may hate editing on Cartoon Network, but they are the best at not making it obvious.
*Applaudes Williams Street*
Editing is a kooky thing. With it, shows get cut, and we miss out on some content. Without it, these shows would not be on TV at all. Only if advertisers had a backbone :(.
And I think it was pretty obvious the man died, even if we didn't get to see the sword.
Sketch
07-13-2003, 01:33 AM
I love that OP! But what I loved more was that they've fixed the bumpers and they aren't random anymore (something that really pissed me off at times). Great job CN!
To anyone that thought SVES would = less edits:
THIS MEANS YOU, KYLE POPE.
1. Williams Street does not edit their shows in real-time, nor do they even edit the episodes a week before airing. The edits were done MONTHS IN ADVANCE, and Williams Street has already moved onto the next shows (like editting FLCL).
2. Williams Street has nothing to do with SVES.
3. As such, Williams Street isn't going to take precious time out of their day RE-EDITTING episodes they've already done. BESIDES THE FACT THAT SVES DOESN'T AND MAY POSSIBLY NEVER HAVE TV-PG PROGRAMMING.
Even though the death scene in tonight's episode was handled the way it was, it was still made obvious that the person died.
I swear to god, if Kyle Pope makes a comment in his edit list saying he was hoping SVES would mean less edits, he truly is a naive moron.
Here's a question.
Why couldn't SVES just use the un-edited version off of the DVD's? Sure, there would be blood and gruesome impalings, but it's late night television and I'm sure they could get away with it since it's not really "Prime Time." It's not really late, so I can't be positive.
Or am I missing something along the lines of "CN only bought the rights to show edited versions and therefore can't show one directly from the DVD?"
Care to explain?
Killtacular
07-13-2003, 02:05 AM
Or am I missing something along the lines of "CN only bought the rights to show edited versions and therefore can't show one directly from the DVD?"
Yes.........
raykremer
07-13-2003, 02:40 AM
Ah, so his power was like that of Marvel's Daredevil. I had been thinking psychic powers.
Say, what has happened to Kyle Pope's lists? I don't think he's even gotten to last weeks' episodes yet.
blitzkrieg
07-13-2003, 02:43 AM
Here's a question.
Why couldn't SVES just use the un-edited version off of the DVD's? Sure, there would be blood and gruesome impalings, but it's late night television and I'm sure they could get away with it since it's not really "Prime Time." It's not really late, so I can't be positive.
Or am I missing something along the lines of "CN only bought the rights to show edited versions and therefore can't show one directly from the DVD?"
Care to explain?
Also just because SVES isn't on at 2 pm doesn't mean they could get away with unedited Kenshin. SVES is still a children's block, can you imagine how many complaints they would get from parents who let their kids watch X-Men Evolution only to have them watch Kenshin?
Adult Swim is on late PLUS it's advertised as an adult block and has warnings of that sort. SVES on the other hand is kid-friendly with no small parts that children might swallow.
SSJ_Gogeta
07-13-2003, 03:28 AM
Adult Swim is on late PLUS it's advertised as an adult block and has warnings of that sort. SVES on the other hand is kid-friendly with no small parts that children might swallow.
You are correct sir.
Bandit
07-13-2003, 04:44 AM
Those above reasons aren't the real reasons... CN has no obligation of keeping the programming on that block late at night TV-Y7. The problem is that they are and have been advertising it and promoting the block during times when kids watch. Plus the block is full of kids' shows, the kids would stay up later and CN doesn't WANT the little kids who like Pokemon and Yu-gi-oh to watch unedited Kenshin.
It's especially not a good idea because Kenshin was on Toonami... However, it'd be nice if they pulled a sort of Gundam Wing uncut thing with Kenshin.
The reason Adult swim can carry the higher material is because the kids aren't supposed to even know about it...
LightAngel
07-13-2003, 01:27 PM
I enjoyed seeing the opening, although I found it to be a little too perky to go before an episode like this. As for the episode itself, I loved it!! Usui is finally dead, and I was able to guess at how he died. ;) But this once a week deal is going to ruin me...How can I wait another week to watch Kenshin fight Aoshi. I'm assuming that's what going to happen.
BESIDES THE FACT THAT SVES DOESN'T AND MAY POSSIBLY NEVER HAVE TV-PG PROGRAMMING.
So I guess that destroys the possibilty of SVES ever airing ROTJ or Justice League uncut.
PickHut
07-13-2003, 03:03 PM
Well that was my first time hearing the OP in english and I thought it was gonna sound bad at first, but it sounded pretty much like the original japanese version. I was a bit disappointed that they didn't show the second OP since it would of made more sense at this point in the show, ah well. :shrug:
Tapout
07-13-2003, 03:45 PM
The reason Adult swim can carry the higher material is because the kids aren't supposed to even know about it...
That's not completely accurate. It may be nitpicking, but I have seen AS advertised during the 10 eastern/7 pacific block of Justice League/X-Men. So if AS isn't advertised only during AS, I guess they don't mind if the kids know about it.
G1Ravage
07-13-2003, 05:27 PM
The reason Adult swim can carry the higher material is because the kids aren't supposed to even know about it...
Adult Swim is advertised during SVES.
I think they already know. :shrug:
Spike Mcdougal
07-13-2003, 05:42 PM
It was 8;15 I should have just gotten up but nooooooooo. I had to close my eyes again and as a result I miss another episode because of sleep. I'm such a dummy, that I am.
It was 8;15 I should have just gotten up but nooooooooo. I had to close my eyes again and as a result I miss another episode because of sleep. I'm such a dummy, that I am.You didn't miss much... I never thought that fight was as cool as it could have been... And the edits didn't help at all. :yawn:
And Freckles sounds better in Japanese. :p
oranthal
07-13-2003, 06:10 PM
They should alternate showing the full intro and outtro every week; this way we get to see both, but that will never happen. I am interested to hear an English version of "Heart of Sword". Maybe not.
I want flashy fight scenes Kenshin vs. Saitou. Saitou is cool and calculating, but it does nothing for me.
Mugen
07-13-2003, 06:22 PM
They should alternate showing the full intro and outtro every week; this way we get to see both, but that will never happen. I am interested to hear an English version of "Heart of Sword". Maybe not.
I want flashy fight scenes Kenshin vs. Saitou. Saitou is cool and calculating, but it does nothing for me.
There isn't any English "Heart of Sword."
Ikwig
07-13-2003, 06:47 PM
Well, I almost missed this ep - I wouldn't have even known Kenshin had moved to SVES, except that I was (in my usual paranoid manner) checking the cable menu last night to make sure .hack's time hadn't randomly changed and noticed the Kenshin was on at 9:30! (go obsessive-compulsive girl - you know you'll be rewarded one way or another! :p)
I enjoyed getting to hear/see the opening - not spectacular, but good enough. And I very much enjoyed the actual ep: no, the battle was not super flashy, but neither of the fighter's involved are particularly flashy (always excepting the blind guy's sense of fashion, of course! :D ) What I really liked was getting their explanations of their particular fighting styles: what they were doing, why they were doing it, and why they were good at it. Very interesting!
And I just have to say, I'm much, much happier at having to wait a week to see the next Kenshin ep, rather than the months and months I was expecting to have to wait before it showed back up on Toonami! :)
Overall: A.
EightOh
07-13-2003, 08:21 PM
Well, I almost missed this ep - I wouldn't have even known Kenshin had moved to SVES, except that I was (in my usual paranoid manner) checking the cable menu last night to make sure .hack's time hadn't randomly changed and noticed the Kenshin was on at 9:30! (go obsessive-compulsive girl - you know you'll be rewarded one way or another! :p)I do the same thing, in regards to .hack. I always check to make sure it hasn't moved, or something. :D
Sampo
07-13-2003, 10:07 PM
You didn't miss much... I never thought that fight was as cool as it could have been... And the edits didn't help at all. :yawn:
And Freckles sounds better in Japanese. :p
Aye I have to agree with Gyro. With the editing, the fight seemed anti-climactic and sort of funny. Saitou and Usui exchange words. Usui attacks, you hear the spears slicing but there is no blood to show how “roughed up” Saitou was. Add to this with Saitou keeping a level head during the fight, this gave the impression that Saitou was the dominant fighter and was in no real danger… Then with that final blow we see Usui pinned to the wall with “magic” and defies the laws of gravity when he dies (oops, -edit- passes out) while remaining in that position. They should have left in that sword, as it looks too goofy without it.
Although I did enjoy learning Usui and Saitou's background and each fighter's explanation of their "eye of the heart".
Did anyone else do a double take when they heard the OP for Kenshin? I was thinking “WTH was that!”. I hope they go with the other 2 Ops, as this one is way too cheery.
SirLemming
07-13-2003, 11:52 PM
Oh GOD they really messed up. The invisible sword, the close up of Usui, them not showing Saitou's legs being pierced (which is crucial towards the end) Oh damn I was hoping that they were moving RK to SVES so that they could be a little easy on the editing. Guess they were just moving it so that they could milk it for cash.
That could still be the case, but you're not going to see any change in the editing from one episode to the next. You have to realize that they don't edit these shows the day before they air. They edit a certain amount of episodes and then air them. For all they knew, this episode was going to be on Toonami. The only possible change in editing will happen in the next "season."
And if they simply wanted to "milk it for cash," wouldn't it be a LOT better to leave it on Toonami?
DanniB
07-13-2003, 11:54 PM
I was surprised by the OP. I was expecting something along the lines of "Heart of Sword" in style but insted got this poppy happy tune more ment for a comedy then a wandering samuri story.
But that aside, this episode was cool. not the best, but still cool. more setting up for the cooler battles to come then being super cool itself. Although showing us the origins of Usui and how he really used his "powers" was neat the first half of the episode was mostly talking that I didn't find crusial to the plot until they brought up how Usui was only helping Shishio because he knew he couldn't kill him.
I was never really a big fan of Saito to begin with so that added to my disinterest, but the next episode looks great with the Oniwaban and Co. plus the face off with Aoshi.
The Sanoske vs Anji fight was done better, the back story for both were engaging and made you feel for both sides.
Bandit
07-14-2003, 12:55 AM
I was surprised by the OP. I was expecting something along the lines of "Heart of Sword" in style but insted got this poppy happy tune more ment for a comedy then a wandering samuri story.
Well, when the Kyoto Arc started to get grim, Kenshin had a more "mellow"/not as cheery OP than Sokabasu. Sokabasu was used for the beginning stories as well as the first parts of the Kyoto Arc.
That could still be the case, but you're not going to see any change in the editing from one episode to the next. You have to realize that they don't edit these shows the day before they air. They edit a certain amount of episodes and then air them. For all they knew, this episode was going to be on Toonami. The only possible change in editing will happen in the next "season."
And if they simply wanted to "milk it for cash," wouldn't it be a LOT better to leave it on Toonami?
They put it on SVES so that it wouldn't go by so fast. There are 15(?) episodes left. They could have A)Left it on Toonami and had it end in 3 weeks or B)Put it on SVES so that we only got one episode a week for 15 weeks. They put it on the 8:30(C) slot so that they would get good ratings.
About the eidts, I was hoping that they planned the move in advance. Seems it wasn't.
Michael
07-14-2003, 02:18 PM
i forgot about it....:(
o well i watched my subs and thought this was a great epsiodes
oranthal
07-14-2003, 03:27 PM
There isn't any English "Heart of Sword."
I know but because I heard the English OP, I thought it would be funny if they had an English version to "Heart of Sword." If there were, that would sacrilege because "Heart of Sword" is an amazing song.
Coollead
07-14-2003, 09:17 PM
You all DO know that Teen Titans airs right before Kenshin, right? Meaning ultra ratings for Kenshin, meaning no, its not going to be uncut, =o
purplehairedwonder
07-14-2003, 11:01 PM
So, I was sitting in my hotel room and turned on the TV and I ended up seeing the last 2 minutes of Kenshin. I was so mad I missed it. So Saito killed Usui? That's good. Well, I'll be able to see it next week, so yay!
Sampo
07-15-2003, 12:17 AM
So, I was sitting in my hotel room and turned on the TV and I ended up seeing the last 2 minutes of Kenshin. I was so mad I missed it. So Saito killed Usui? That's good. Well, I'll be able to see it next week, so yay!
Well... with the edits that were in place, it looked like Saito hit Usui so hard that he sticks to the wall. Then Usui "passes out"... Heh. :)
Bandit
07-15-2003, 02:12 AM
Well... with the edits that were in place, it looked like Saito hit Usui so hard that he sticks to the wall. Then Usui "passes out"... Heh. :)
Um, I don't know why people keep saying this... in the unedited version he dies in the same manner, he just doesn't have the sword sticking through him. I thought it was edited very well and in the unedited version he never fell to the ground...
Now, what im going to say next is a major major major spoiler and do not read it unless you have already seen the series.
How are they going to edit the part where Shishio stabs Yumi? It was part of his attack strategy, and Yumi can't really just dissapear.. I hope they leave it in... (as in the parts where we don't see a sword going through her) otherwise there will be a lot of confusion as to why Yumi is gone and why Kenshin is so both pissed off/cut up.
Sampo
07-15-2003, 05:29 AM
Um, I don't know why people keep saying this... in the unedited version he dies in the same manner, he just doesn't have the sword sticking through him. I thought it was edited very well and in the unedited version he never fell to the ground...
Hmm true, but based on what we see with the edits in place it doesn't make any sense. A guy is stuck to the wall, then dies in that position and defies the laws of gravity (due to edited sword). I am not complaining that Usui should have flopped to the ground, it just that with the edit it made that scene look odd.
So instead this image: Saito's powerful sword attack shattered Usui's shield and still has enough strength to impale his foe into the wall above the doorway. Usui is pinned by Saito's sword with feet dangling over the floor, blood is flowing from his wound while he feels his life slip away.
We get this: Saito's powerful sword attack shattered Usui's shield and the blow sends him into the wall above the doorway. Usui is pinned to the wall by... magic.
Also what made it worse for me, during that scene there was a pan over Usui body to emphasize that the sword was the only thing keeping him from falling to the ground.
Oh well :)
Mugen
07-16-2003, 10:23 AM
To anyone that thought SVES would = less edits:
THIS MEANS YOU, KYLE POPE.
1. Williams Street does not edit their shows in real-time, nor do they even edit the episodes a week before airing. The edits were done MONTHS IN ADVANCE, and Williams Street has already moved onto the next shows (like editting FLCL).
2. Williams Street has nothing to do with SVES.
3. As such, Williams Street isn't going to take precious time out of their day RE-EDITTING episodes they've already done. BESIDES THE FACT THAT SVES DOESN'T AND MAY POSSIBLY NEVER HAVE TV-PG PROGRAMMING.
Even though the death scene in tonight's episode was handled the way it was, it was still made obvious that the person died.
I swear to god, if Kyle Pope makes a comment in his edit list saying he was hoping SVES would mean less edits, he truly is a naive moron.
Well, in the edit list he did for the last episode on Toonami, he did say this: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/columns/edit-list.php?id=190.
There isn't any English "Heart of Sword."There isn't? Someone in the Toonami forum said it was sung by Lex Lang.... >_<
Well, in the edit list he did for the last episode on Toonami, he did say this: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/columns/edit-list.php?id=190.
Well it seems Kyle and myself were on the same page when it comes to edits on SVES. Guess the move really was a spur-of-the-moment thing to try to milk it for all it's worth. Not that I'm saying it's a bad thing. I would do the same thing. Just I would plan it in advance and advertise in advance, rather than just tossing it there without anyone knowing, assuming that they have a weekly, up to date schedule at their fingertips. I wouldn't want to make people think that the whole thing was thought up the week prior.
Sampo
07-16-2003, 03:59 PM
Well, in the edit list he did for the last episode on Toonami, he did say this: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/columns/edit-list.php?id=190.
Checked out that website... All I can say is Dang that's a lot of edits..
Mugen
07-17-2003, 01:00 PM
Checked out that website... All I can say is Dang that's a lot of edits..
Well, here's the edit list for "The Wolf Destroys the Shingan": http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/columns/edit-list.php?id=193.
MrBananagrabber
07-17-2003, 03:53 PM
There isn't? Someone in the Toonami forum said it was sung by Lex Lang.... >_<
He sang the dub of the first ending theme, Tactics. Sandy Fox, who signs Freckles, also did the dub of I Know Tears, the 2nd ending. I've heard Sony got pissed that they're original artists weren't being supported and were replaced by dub versions of the songs, so they made Media Blasters stopped. It's a pity, I would have been interested to hear dubs of the rest of the songs.
lostrune
07-17-2003, 04:15 PM
He sang the dub of the first ending theme, Tactics. Sandy Fox, who signs Freckles, also did the dub of I Know Tears, the 2nd ending. I've heard Sony got pissed that they're original artists weren't being supported and were replaced by dub versions of the songs, so they made Media Blasters stopped. It's a pity, I would have been interested to hear dubs of the rest of the songs.
No, the reason was, just because Media Blasters licensed the anime does not mean MB also has the rights to the songs, which belong to their respective bands. That means MB cannot use the music from the songs, even with the lyrics changed to English, except "as-is" the way the songs were originally shown within the anime. Otherwise, MB would have to pay for the song licenses too.
When Sony told MB about that, MB had to stop, but I guess the already-made English version of the songs were just grandfathered (what's done is done).
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