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[Samurai Rocko]

Alot of People are upset that Cartoon Network has just replaced the Popeye Show and The Chuck Jones Show for a whole hour of Ed,Edd, and Eddy. It's not just that, but other changes that really make no sense. This thread is to tell Cartoon Network we had enough of these stupid changes. If you have a complaint, please put it here and if you know anybody that's not on this board who has a complaint, tell them about it. If it's Classic Cartoons, Cartoon Cartoons, Toonami, Adult Swim, shows you want on the air, whatever. If we have alot of posts, I plan on emailing it to Cartoon Network. But please, if it's not a complaint, please don't post it. Thanks in advance.

[Argus Sventon]

This stinks. I blame the AOL buyout for this. I wish Cartoon Network would explain the decision.

[Killtacular]

It's called "Summer schedule sucks, Fall schedule better."

Everyone complains about the schedule in the summer, and it always goes back to normal in the Fall. Geez.

[rodney]

It makes no business sense at all to ban NEW, never before seen episodes of a show to a 2am time-slot, for reruns of a show that's already seen countless times anyway, I don't care if it's the summer schedule or not, that's just plain stupid.

Classic cartoon fans were already just being tossed an obligatory bone with a 2 hour timeslot on Sunday evenings anyhow. Cutting it back to an hour, even for a couple of months is just plain ridiculous.

Flame away, Matt. I'm prepared for it.

[Daniel P]

Summer schedule or not, this is stupid. I don't care what time of the year it is. When Fall comes, do you think Popeye will have his prime time slot back? I don't. By then, the show will probably not have its 2am slot either. I don't care for this. Is it poor ratings? HAVE YOU SEEN A SINGLE COMMERCIAL FOR THE POPEYE SHOW? Ratings can't be blamed if there isn't some measly commercial once in a while. I can see no justified reason for doing this. Don't tell me they did this because it's summer. It's Popeye's 70th anniversary in theatrical cartoons, show some decency and respect, Cartoon Network! :mad:

[Carolina Red]

It upsets me to see that this network doesn't seem to care about its' roots. If it wasn't for the cartoons you would see in those Popeye and Chuck Jones shows (along with countless others from that time), then people may not have been inspired to grab their art materials and make cartoons of their own, and then there may not have been a Cartoon Network to begin with.

[rmarti3926]

Here's my suggestions:

- Bring back Bugs and Daffy on a weekday basis
- Bring back Sailor Moon
- Cancel DBZ for at least one or two months
- Extend Adult Swim to one more hour
- Acquire Love Hina and Samurai Pizza Cats
- Cut back on too much Cartoon Cartoons
- Acquire all types of animated movies (Lupin III movies are great for Adult Swim)
- Re-Edit Outlaw Star for Adult Swim
- Spend more time on classic cartoons
- Replace Samurai Jack and X-Men with Justice League before Adult Swim
- Do not put too much emphasis on Pokemon

[Animation Otaku]

Oh my, how dare they ban Popeye to being shown right after the only airing of Superman, which is after the only airing of Batman, which is after the only airing of GI Joe, which is after the only airing of .hack//sign, which is a brand new show! Sheesh, what's the big deal? Besides, Ed,Eddn'Eddy may be aired a lot, but it's one of the best cartoons of all time(In my Opinion), I think it can do with a few extra airings.

[Matthew Hunter]

It could have been any cartoon replacing Popeye. It could have even been a new cartoon I LIKE. But the fact is, they replaced a once-a-week show that classic animation fans look forward to with an overplayed modern cartoon that gets way more air time than Popeye as it is.

It's ALWAYS the classic animation that gets shafted when CN changes up their schedule. Summer, fall, it doesn't make any difference to me when they do it. We've seen Bugs and Daffy and the Acme Hour disappear all in the last few months, and they were probably the longest-running shows Cartoon Network had. Neither one has been gone for this long, and even when they would get kicked around and put at bad time slots, they were still THERE. I don't think Looney Tunes could have been too hard up for ratings if they'd been on those shows for that long. With the Acme Hour we lose a lot of the classic MGM stuff from Tex Avery as well, and they have not filled that gap at all.

I guess they are trying to use Baby Looney Tunes and Sylvester and Tweety Mysteries as their excuse, saying that they do show Looney Tunes...but they are both just imitations of the genuine article, and there are far fewer cartoons in both of those series combined than there are in the classic Looney Tunes canon.

Cartoon Network also RARELY promotes what little classic animation they have now, and never did make ads for the Popeye Show, which was a wonderful documentary-style tribute to a character that's been popular much longer than any Cartoon Cartoon. I'd be happy to just let CN do whatever they wanted and ruin their audience diversity right into their own demise, if there were another place to see this stuff. But there is no Popeye officially released on video or DVD, and at the moment all warner bros. cartoons are out of print on VHS and unavailable on DVD. What good does it do to have every Warner bros. classic short ever directed in your library if you won't show but a couple of hours per week? Boomerang? Bah! Very few cable providers have that anyway.

I just think they are losing touch with their fan base. They have ruined a good diverse schedule in six months. If CN doesn't care about my favorite shows, why the heck don't they give them to some other channel? Why should I watch a channel that doesn's show what I like to watch?

-Matthew

[Mugen]

Here's my suggestions:

- Bring back Bugs and Daffy on a weekday basis
- Bring back Sailor Moon
- Cancel DBZ for at least one or two months
- Extend Adult Swim to one more hour
- Acquire Love Hina and Samurai Pizza Cats
- Cut back on too much Cartoon Cartoons
- Acquire all types of animated movies (Lupin III movies are great for Adult Swim)
- Re-Edit Outlaw Star for Adult Swim
- Spend more time on classic cartoons
- Replace Samurai Jack and X-Men with Justice League before Adult Swim
- Do not put too much emphasis on Pokemon

I agree with you except for the Love Hina and Outlaw Star thing. Love Hina dub sucks, and CN won't go back and de-edit Outlaw Star.


It's called "Summer schedule sucks, Fall schedule better."

Oh come on, you must have preferred it when CN was still under Time Warner and KidsWB never bothered CN.

[Killtacular]

Oh come on, you must have preferred it when CN was still under Time Warner and KidsWB never bothered CN.

-WAS- still? Uh, you mean "is" still. And Kids WB is part of Time Warner. See the second word in Time Warner? If you could stop not knowing what you're talking about, that'd be great.

(Yes, Turner opened an Animation division, but they're still owned by AOLTW and as such, CN is still owned by AOLTW)

[Wanted]

The AOL Merger, Nick and Boomerang ruined CN:mad:. I liked to see the Smurfs, the Jetsons, and The Flintstones in the mornings. And now they replace that with stupid baby shows (Nick and Boomerang) and Toonami has lost its luster (AOL).

BRING BACK THE OLD CARTOON NETWORK! (1999/2000 would be good:D)

[Mugen]

-WAS- still? Uh, you mean "is" still. And Kids WB is part of Time Warner. See the second word in Time Warner? If you could stop not knowing what you're talking about, that'd be great.

(Yes, Turner opened an Animation division, but they're still owned by AOLTW and as such, CN is still owned by AOLTW)

I didn't mean to make you mad or anything, I was just saying that KidsWB never interfered in CN's matters before the merger. I wasn't trying to be high or mighty.

[Samurai Rocko]

Cartoon Network's motto is The Best Place for Cartoons. Well, was the best place for cartoons. I don't know what to call it now...except the best place for horrible judgement. I mean CN used to care about the animation fans and diversed the line-up to please every animation fan, but now, they only care about money. Now I'm not saying they should, because I would want some money to entertain people, but if you diverse yourself, you have a better chance of attracting more people. I mean Classic Cartoons are just as important as Cartoon Cartoons and Toonami. First they took off Bugs and Daffy, than Acme Hour, now the Popeye Show. And for what more Cartoon Cartoons reuns. And if they want to make money, why the hell did they pick up Pecola and Sitting Ducks when they could have put Freakazoid or Samurai Pizza Cats on the air. It really bothers me that just one cartoon comes on 24 times a week. I never thought I say this, but I'm tired of these Cartoon Cartoons. And why would CN play a 50-hour marathon of a 13-episode series. And they take off all the good Hanna-Barbera shows except Scooby-Doo which defintley ain't good. And since when did Primetime stand for Kids WB and Cartoon Cartoons. Nobody wants to see Pokemon and Jackie Chan Adventures at 9:00-10:00 P.M., put something worthwhile on there. I hope somebody at CN is saying this ain't right.

[sammy_ siggles]

Cartoon Network's motto is The Best Place for Cartoons. Well, was the best place for cartoons. I don't know what to call it now...except the best place for horrible judgement. I mean CN used to care about the animation fans and diversed the line-up to please every animation fan, but now, they only care about money. Now I'm not saying they should, because I would want some money to entertain people, but if you diverse yourself, you have a better chance of attracting more people. I mean Classic Cartoons are just as important as Cartoon Cartoons and Toonami. First they took off Bugs and Daffy, than Acme Hour, now the Popeye Show. And for what more Cartoon Cartoons reuns. And if they want to make money, why the hell did they pick up Pecola and Sitting Ducks when they could have put Freakazoid or Samurai Pizza Cats on the air. It really bothers me that just one cartoon comes on 24 times a week. I never thought I say this, but I'm tired of these Cartoon Cartoons. And why would CN play a 50-hour marathon of a 13-episode series. And they take off all the good Hanna-Barbera shows except Scooby-Doo which defintley ain't good. And since when did Primetime stand for Kids WB and Cartoon Cartoons. Nobody wants to see Pokemon and Jackie Chan Adventures at 9:00-10:00 P.M., put something worthwhile on there. I hope somebody at CN is saying this ain't right.

Pretty soon they'll be taking off an hour of Adult Swim to put on "After Hours Baby Looney Tunes".

:rolleyes:

I thought Cartoon Network was the only station that realised the difference between crap and cooness. I'm bored every time I watch CC reruns. Instead of watching TV now, I make my own cartoons on the computer more often. ;)

At least Cartoon Networks helping me animate on a more frequent basis. Maybe their only doing this so little animators can become geniuses! I KNEW IT!

Thank you CN! :frylock:

I only watch Cartoon Network for the AS lectures and Samurai Jack. :P

oh and popeye and looney tunes :)

[Wanted]

Bring back Betty Cohen! She cared! She is what made Cartoon Network successful! (or her clone would be good:D)

[Zechs]

It's all about the cash, the changes involving toonami and classic toons seem to have ben replaced by fad toons. That have been over played time and time again. What gets me is that this was one of the few stations I watched that seemed not to be affcted by the popular plauge. Now they boot a good classic show for a lame show that's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over played. Then they take off a show in the midlde of its run instead of taking off the show that's been over played as well. It seems CN is starting to show signs of caring more about money than fans. I've alread pretty much given up on nick and the only reason I watch toon dis is because they play some of my fave old toons. If CN changes to more over played lame shows I will watch them a whole lot less. Or like nick almost never.

[Argus Sventon]

CN's not the only Turner network ruined by AOL-TW. TBS took popular Braves announcers Skip Caray and Pete Van Wieren off the TBS broadcasts and put them on Turner South, which only reaches a fraction of the audience that TBS does. In addition Braves games were marketed as "MLB On TBS".

Braves fans raised a storm over the banishment, so much so that TBS came to their senses and after the All-Star break, Skip and Pete will be back on the Superstation. (I could go on and on, about the "de-Atlantization of TBS, but this is a CN forum.)

Cartoon Network's programming is a mess right now. Frequent programming changes have confused viewers. They're trying to compete with other networks, but they're losing their fan base.

[Wanted]

Was anyone listening? Bring back Betty Cohen and CN will get better, way better. But that can't happen, for some reason.:confused:

Any responses?

Everyone can agree with me that CN was better when Betty was in charge. Now that she's been gone for a while, CN has been rotting in her fridge.

[hobbyfan]

It's all about the cash, the changes involving toonami and classic toons seem to have ben replaced by fad toons. That have been over played time and time again. What gets me is that this was one of the few stations I watched that seemed not to be affcted by the popular plauge. Now they boot a good classic show for a lame show that's waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over played. Then they take off a show in the midlde of its run instead of taking off the show that's been over played as well. It seems CN is starting to show signs of caring more about money than fans. I've alread pretty much given up on nick and the only reason I watch toon dis is because they play some of my fave old toons. If CN changes to more over played lame shows I will watch them a whole lot less. Or like nick almost never.

The complaint used to be that CN played Scooby-Doo into the ground (and they still do, but not as bad as they used to). Now, their own in-house programming is hogging airtime the way Scooby used to, and CN's moronic programmers think they're more important than the classics we all grew up with.

Popeye's 70th anniversary is this year, someone said. CN has previously demonstrated little or no regard for history, except when they did acknowledege the 60th anniversaries of Bugs & Porky in recent years. The Flintstones' 40th was in 2000, but CN didn't do much about it. Scooby turned 30, but CN marked it only with more airings and the pathetic Scooby-Doo Project, a satire on Blair Witch that was ten times as lame.

Who's in charge of programming CN now? A 16 year old high school dropout? They're doing "repurposing" with What's New Scooby-Doo, and reruns of Yu-Gi-Oh, Jackie Chan, X-Men: Evolution, and Pokemon are being dumped onto the CN schedule because of corporate synergy. I came up with a schedule a while back that cut back on the Cartoon Cartoon glut severely. Obviously, the nerds at CN didn't read, or can't.

What CN needs to do---preferably NOW---is to explain away the lame changes, and let the viewers dictate to them how they're supposed to program the channel. Not everyone gets Boomerang (and some that do are stuck with having to upgrade to digital), so there has to be a compromise somewhere.

[RKillian]

Although I've enjoyed Jackie Chan, and more recently, Pokemon very thoroughly, you do bring up a very interesting point.

Synergy. The most evil word in Dilbert's Big Book of Stupidity.

There was a time when a cartoon series would run on its original station for more than two years. I also remember the days of a 26-episode season and no pre-determined endpoints. Back in those days, TV shows usually went into syndication either on their original station or were sold to another company...after they went out of production, that is.

Today, AOLTW owns...a dozen channels? It's harder to find another channel that's not under that huge umbrella. Usually, I don't have much of a problem with shows moving networks. What I do have a problem with is a show being shown SIMULTANEOUSLY on different networks.

Most of those shows (particularly Pokemon), last I checked, were also airing on Fox, KidsWB, or UPN. Such practice completely erodes the illusion of choice that AOLTW and other cable providers keep saying they offer. What's the point of having 150 channels if you only get 15 worth of content? Is it any wonder we shut our TVs off in utter disgust so much?

The complaint used to be that CN played Scooby-Doo into the ground (and they still do, but not as bad as they used to). Now, their own in-house programming is hogging airtime the way Scooby used to, and CN's moronic programmers think they're more important than the classics we all grew up with.

Popeye's 70th anniversary is this year, someone said. CN has previously demonstrated little or no regard for history, except when they did acknowledege the 60th anniversaries of Bugs & Porky in recent years. The Flintstones' 40th was in 2000, but CN didn't do much about it. Scooby turned 30, but CN marked it only with more airings and the pathetic Scooby-Doo Project, a satire on Blair Witch that was ten times as lame.

Who's in charge of programming CN now? A 16 year old high school dropout? They're doing "repurposing" with What's New Scooby-Doo, and reruns of Yu-Gi-Oh, Jackie Chan, X-Men: Evolution, and Pokemon are being dumped onto the CN schedule because of corporate synergy. I came up with a schedule a while back that cut back on the Cartoon Cartoon glut severely. Obviously, the nerds at CN didn't read, or can't.

What CN needs to do---preferably NOW---is to explain away the lame changes, and let the viewers dictate to them how they're supposed to program the channel. Not everyone gets Boomerang (and some that do are stuck with having to upgrade to digital), so there has to be a compromise somewhere.