SVES Talkback - .hack//SIGN - Episode 19: "Recollection" (Spoilers) [Archive]

Solitude1

07-06-2003, 12:34 AM

Whoa, once again I'm impressed with the usual .hack ep.

So that was how the Crimson Knights were made. It's good that Krim was helpful to Subaru when she was new. If he hadn't I don't think the Subaru that we know and love would be here today.

That tension between the fangirl and Subaru was creepy. Was she hitting on her or threatening to kill her...or maybe both. Glad that Subaru stood up for herself.

Tsukasa and Subaru. It's still hard to believe how serious this attraction is blooming. I swear that Mimiru and Tsukasa were about to hook up. Oh well. Subaru's just as good. Plus I was surprised when Tsukasa said he was waiting for her. How sweet :anime:

Plus we finally got a look at Suabaru's real world face. From the view it seemed like she's the regular old computer geek. Sorry not trying to insult but the glasses gave me the idea. Keep the goodness that is .hack coming. :D EDIT: WHOA! After watching the tape again and hearing others I just realized Subaru is in a wheelchair. Interesting indeed...

It's been TOO LONG since I saw this many good shows in one night. :D

Later

Jude Santos

07-06-2003, 12:42 AM

Um. I didn't get a good glimpse of Subaru's rl persona because I was paying half of my attention.....but was that a wheel chair?

yes, she's on a wheelchair. she's paralyzed

Dark

07-06-2003, 12:43 AM

I think the confrontations in this show are what really make it for me. The actual action of the moment is drownwed out by the weight of the execution, and becomes secondary. I remember this episode being incredibly hard to follow in the fan subs, because of the flashbacks. i think it turned out pretty cohesive in the dub, no complaints. Man, one eyed subaru is scary looking; she looked like a completely different person, which I suppose is fitting since she kinda moves away from Krim and toward Tsukasa. I love how even through Subaru's obvious pain Tsukasa asks her how it feels. And the big Subaru real life secret comes out. Yet another little twist in the plot, though it does explain some things about her personality.

raykremer

07-06-2003, 01:01 AM

I always thought Subaru seemed a little too, well, not weak so much but too meek to be the leader of a self appointed police force. Now it all makes sense. She was the type who goes around reminding people of netiquette, a complete pacifist. Crim B.S.ed the existance of the Crimson Knights on a whim, and then they decided it wasn't such a bad idea. He was the driving force behind it, but he let Subaru be the figurehead. The Knights were just supposed to be a group of like minded folks who reminded the jerks that people don't like jerks. But as they got larger, more organised, and more known throughout the World, they started to do more then just simply promote netiquette, they started to enforce it. By force if necessary. Silver Knight especially. Crim saw it coming and left. Subaru's idealism kept her going right until last week when she saw that there was nothing left she could do to control the Knights.

Striped of the Knights, we see that it's true. She is completely meek. She has to remind herself to be strong just to bring herself to raise her voice. And now that it's all come crashing down, she's not only left with nothing, she's got the stigma of what she once was, the thing she created and couldn't control. It's almost tragic in the theatre sense. And if she has any sense of responsibility, she still has to stop this thing she created, that she unleashed, Silver Knight.

The wheelchair is incidental, though it does cast a new light on her temperment, i.e. the meekness. Poor girl, she every bit deserved that cry in Tsukasa's arms.

One wonders why she changed from pink to blue, but at least we weren't left trying to figure out what was a flashback and what was in the present.

JTurner954

07-06-2003, 01:15 AM

Sorry to sound like a broken record, but I love how the music draws me in to this episode. Never for a moment was I bored as the (limited) action and development entertained me from beginning to end. The revelation of the wheelchair makes perfect sense as it kind of explains why Subaru is always walking slow and depressed (some I suppose could say it explains why she was in control of the Knights). Pretty good episode for what it was.

Overall grade: B+

Duke

07-06-2003, 01:37 AM

Uh, WOW. If "Jack & the Spartans" had premiered tonight, this evening woulda been so completely shocking and grand.

Why did Subaru's color change from pink in the flashbacks to white? Maybe white was more leader-like?

That extra really creeped me out. And by the way she looks in the real world, she was really lonely before meeting Kurim, Bear, Tsukasa, etc. I feel for her.

That said, this episode was quick. It felt like it was 15 minutes long. I'm sitting there watching and noticed that the clock said "12:24," to which I said "It's over already!?"

skite

07-06-2003, 03:40 AM

ive missed too many .hacks i think i missed it from episode 12 or something to now (the episode when tsukasa is hit by his protector blob :p and i was left on a cliff hanger) because i was in vegas good episode though kind of hard to follow because i dont know who the pink subaru is i know the subaru look is popular now though and it seems from this episode that somehow tsukasa is back and im guessing that the real subaru quit the knights and is just wandering around and man that one subaru copy (purple one) was creepy overall good episode but hard to follow because i missed so much so..

overall it gets a : 3.5/5 because i missed so many episodes but if i knew what was going on it would get a 4.5 or a 5/5

so can anyone give me a little fill in about what happened from tsukasa getting killed by his blob to now??????

Sketch

07-06-2003, 03:50 AM

Fantastic episode, somewhat tragic, and was really useful for fililng in some plot holes and... creating some more. Can't wait till next week!

anime_guru

07-06-2003, 08:35 AM

whoa! just, whoa! for the last 2 weeks, dot hack has saw much characterization between other characters, like how they came to be in the world, what influenced their decisions and such, but yesterday's episode made a lot of sense...think about it...
subaru is playing the world an awful lot don't you think, in the crimson knights, she was there from sun up to sun down, and sometimes after sunset...when seeing the sub of the episode a few months ago, it really did make sense that she was a paralyzed player...just because of the amount of time she spends in the world...It is nice to see the surface "and I do say that for a reason" relationship between subaru and kurim(krim)...how the crimson knights formed and such...it is also a great plus to see the budding romance between tsukasa and subaru...I mean last week, well it was interesting, but this week, it was on a totally different level...the same come-see come saw level in most anime between a strong heroine and an equally strong hero...seeing subaru in a moment when she needed comfort and enter tsukasa to say I was waiting for you...then the whole anime hugging at the end...it was in my opinion a tremendously done episode, however the scene with the person was just plain freaky...
all in all the episode was fairly well done, we don't see as much plot in these episodes, however for a series like dot hack, a "filler" to explain a lot is needed, just because in the story, the lives outside the world aren't explained well enough...So, my rating for the episode
A+
very impressive and well done episode, both the subs and the dubs were very impressive...but the surprises are just coming to head, I cannot wait for the next weeks of dot hack
fyi

does anyone know if japan is still making that episode 27, that is supposed to clear up the ending to dot hack? I was so confused after episode 26, I wanna see some closure if you are not bringing the //sign characters back..I just don't think that episode 26 brought closure. so can anyone tell me if japan is creating the ubsequious episode 27

TsuiTsui

07-06-2003, 10:39 AM

What a BEAUTIFUL episode! I thought that the very last scene when Subaru's tear fell into a glittering ring on the keyboard with the distinctive tone was stunning.

In addition, I loved the song In the Land of Twilight, Under the Moon; its "La la la la..." tune was stuck in my head during my sleep! ^_^

Tsukasa's little pet green bug made its return. ^_^ The green light emitting from the bug was a neat effect.

Finally, the Subaru & Crim backstory was sweet. I was somewhat surprised with Subaru's real life persona, especially her wheelchair condition! I guess that revelation explains Subaru's gentle nature.

:anime:

Duke

07-06-2003, 10:51 AM

so can anyone give me a little fill in about what happened from tsukasa getting killed by his blob to now??????

Tsukasa was revived, but doesn't seem to remember much of anything from the first dozen or so episodes. We found out what BT means (Bacon Tomato. She hates lettuce) and she wanted to be more than friends in the real life with Kurim, but was turned down. Crimson Knight decided that Subaru is becoming too weak and steps in to try and take control. Unfortunately, he requests player information from the system administrators, which is a BIG no-no. Seeing that the Knights are becoming unorganized, Subaru decides to disband the Crimson Knights once and for all.

And the pink Subaru IS the real Subaru, just in a different dress.

Zechs

07-06-2003, 11:18 AM

Wow it's going well so far. Subaru has done some major changing ans I like where it's going. I can't wait to see the rest of the eps.

Crimefighter

07-06-2003, 11:35 AM

does anyone know if japan is still making that episode 27, that is supposed to clear up the ending to dot hack? I was so confused after episode 26, I wanna see some closure if you are not bringing the //sign characters back..I just don't think that episode 26 brought closure. so can anyone tell me if japan is creating the ubsequious episode 27

I was under the impression that the .hack// video games for the PS2 had an episode on each of them to answer this question.

Cyporiean

07-06-2003, 01:20 PM

I was under the impression that the .hack// video games for the PS2 had an episode on each of them to answer this question.

The .hack OVAs do not have anything to do with SIGN Directly.. its a differnt cast and a different case..

although
End of Sign Spoilers
Sora is in it and the games.. in a way...

Jude Santos

07-06-2003, 01:22 PM

does anyone know if japan is still making that episode 27, that is supposed to clear up the ending to dot hack? I was so confused after episode 26, I wanna see some closure if you are not bringing the //sign characters back..I just don't think that episode 26 brought closure. so can anyone tell me if japan is creating the ubsequious episode 27

actually, ep. 27 is already made, and ep. 28 is coming. both will be on dvd volume 6

anyhow, ep. 27 is just an epilogue episode and 28 supposedly closes and ties it up after vol. 4 of the game. if you want closure to the .hack//SIGN series, you HAVE to play the games. and yes, the SIGN characters appear

Demon_Child

07-06-2003, 01:25 PM

So thats how Krim and Subaru met, and Subaru wore pink back then, I wasnt aware you could change how your avatar looked after you chose it.

You know Subaru and Tsukasa's "relationship" seems pretty one-sided at this point. I don't think that(at this point)Tsukasa habors any romantic feelings for Subaru(or anyone for that matter). I think he would have done the same thing if it had been Mimiru who flung her self on him.

This episode helped explain alot about Subaru (whom I really don't care for). I think I like her a little more now, which is good.

This episode gets a:B

Sir Gatts

07-06-2003, 01:54 PM

There seemed to be of an surplus of background information regarding the Crimson Knights of when they first banded together throughout this episode. Much does seems to reflect on the true intentions that has formed the Crimson Knights, yet as the Crimson Knights are now no more, it seems that an new organization has begun to form in their place. One problem though is that it is said that of an organization like Silver Knight, but it doesn't seem clear as to if Silver Knight himself created this new organization or if this new organization was built around Silver Knight's bent ideas, but without Silver Knight's intervention.

This Couchin character seems to be of an example of the state of The World before the foundation of the Crimson Knights,.. cool music following that scene. Strangely though Couchin stated that she has kept Subaru under surveillance for quite some time. If indeed true, I feel that this isn't the last that we'll hear from this character.

One thing to note about the flashback sequences in case anyone missed it is that it seems that the sequences are only occurring as an Subaru with an pink uniform is presented; Where an Subaru with an light blue uniform would reflect the present timeline.

Overall for this episode: 9/10.

Originally Posted by Solitude1
From the view it seemed like she's the regular old computer geek. Sorry not trying to insult but the glasses gave me the idea.
I think that might've been part of the visor to see within The World that Subaru was wearing; similar to when we saw BT in the real world.

pabcool

07-06-2003, 02:03 PM

Wow... That was just... Stunning.

Well, the Crimson Nights story was fairly interesting, and we get... Character development! YAY! As usual, the music and animation were true brilliance, and I have to say that Tsukasa and Subaru make a cute couple. The ending was priceless.

I have to give this one an A.

BTW: I missed the last couple of episodes. What of Maha and the old man?

Conekiller

07-06-2003, 03:58 PM

actually, ep. 27 is already made, and ep. 28 is coming. both will be on dvd volume 6

Awesome! (you don't know how hard it was to quote that, remove the spoiler and NOT read it)

A spectacular ep. One of my faves!I was really taken aback by Subaru's condition at the end (the wheelchair, it also looked to me like she had glasses) the "tone" when her tear fell on "L" was chilling to a perfect scene. NUTS to all of you Tsukasa/Mimiru pairers! NUTS I say. Subaru deserves Tsukasa and Tsukasa deserves Subaru, this ep proved it to me, and above all else. (really, I can't believe some people didn't catch onto it until now, they've been strongly suggesting their relationship for a while now) Just the way Subaru just needed someone to love her back, so much so that she embraced her computer monitor in tears was so great. And applause to Tsukasa for treating the woman right.

I wonder if Krim actually had met with Subaru IRL now. She seemed adverse to the idea.

I like the idea of having similar character models with different color schemes. Cauchin (Cow-chin?) was upset cuz someone used a similar model to hers, but Subaru became more famous and then Cauchin became the "copy". I can understand where her anger comes from. But she seems to be quite a detestable character anyway. Why couldn't she just change her "look" Subaru obviously did , from pink to soft blue. Nice to see the wings are part of the model also.

What was up with "Subaruchin"?

A few weeks back, Romey hinted that Subaru's design was purposeful, that she's small and demure for a reason. I now see that her situation IRL reflects how she built her chracter. only with the obvious ability to walk. But she does so little travelling any way (she's always being moved by the boat shes on)

An interesting observation: the voice of Cauchin was the same actress for Tsukasa. I doubt it was like that in Japanese, but it added for an odd irony in the fina act of this story.

I swear if I hear "In the Land of Twilight Under the Moon" one more time, I'm gonna flip out and kill something. I had some nice memories attatched to that song (and others on the second OST) but the sheer ammount of "lalala la laaa laaa laa lala laaaa"s in this ep was unbearable, I was BEGGING for "Fake Wings" to play.

A+ despite the "repeat" option on the sountrack

Romanesque

07-06-2003, 03:59 PM

This was the episode that kept me from hating Subaru too much. It's hard not to sympathize with her situation. While I still think Mimiru is a much better match for Tsukasa, there's no doubt Subaru needs him. What's done is done; I'll deal with it. :p

Whoa....RL Subaru, the first (that we've seen) who doesn't look a damn thing like her character.

Yes and no...

The face, hair color, and build are the same, even if you can't really tell that well from what was shown. Though the hair style is certainly quite different.

does anyone know if japan is still making that episode 27 . . .

actually, ep. 27 is already made, and ep. 28 is coming. both will be on dvd volume 6

What I want to know is what will become of episode 29. Three additional episodes were originally announced. If only episodes 27 & 28 are being added to the DVD set, will the 29th ever be made available? For the record, the japanese DVD set is only including episode 27, leaving out the other two...

anyhow, ep. 27 is just an epilogue episode and 28 supposedly closes and ties it up after vol. 4 of the game.

Actually, that's apparently not the case. Have you actually seen episode 27 ("Intermezzo")? It's more of a little side story about Mimiru, Bear, and a character from the games.

It really has *nothing* to do with the show's ending... Maybe the other two extra episodes will deal with it. I hope...

NUTS to all of you Tsukasa/Mimiru pairers! NUTS I say. Subaru deserves Tsukasa and Tsukasa deserves Subaru, this ep proved it to me, and above all else . . . Just the way Subaru just needed someone to love her back, so much so that she embraced her computer monitor in tears was so great.

Well NERTZ to you! :p

I still respectfully disagree about Tsukasa's need for Subaru over Mimiru, but see above, regarding Subaru's need for Tsukasa. That's as far as I'll budge. :D

A few weeks back, Romey hinted that Subaru's design was purposeful, that she's small and demure for a reason. I now see that her situation IRL reflects how she built her chracter. only with the obvious ability to walk. But she does so little travelling any way (she's always being moved by the boat shes on) . . . I was BEGGING for "Fake Wings" to play.

You're sooo close... You hit on the small and demure elements of her character design, but you missed the most important thing, only to mention it afterward, without connecting it.

Subaru's paralysed, unable to walk in the real world, but in "The World" she has... Fake Wings. :D

What was up with "Subaruchin"?

That was a really bad mispronunciation of "Subaru-chan"... darn dub.

--Romey

LightAngel

07-06-2003, 04:20 PM

Wow, they should have showed this episode sooner! I understand her so much better now! The scene where she begged Tsukasa to hold her was so touching, I could feel her pain at that moment. Tsukasa was so awesome in how he comforted her. I particularly loved the very last line. The wheelchair in the flashback was surprising, but yet explains so much.

Vekou

07-06-2003, 04:39 PM

To confirm:

At Bandai's .hack panel Friday morning at Anime Expo, they announced that the Japanese cast will be working on an episode 28 (possibly a movie or a "long episode") to finish off the series. Ask anyone else who was there and they'll tell you the same thing. I swear to god, I'm not lying about this. I was there and I hear them say and confirm it multiple times.

Jerry Chu said that episodes 27 and 28 will be included on the DVD vol. 6 and probably won't be shown on CN. He also said that the 6th .hack//SIGN DVD will probably be a 2-disc set due to the number of episodes on it.

I can't wait...

Jude Santos

07-06-2003, 05:13 PM

Actually, that's apparently not the case. Have you actually seen episode 27 ("Intermezzo")? It's more of a little side story about Mimiru, Bear, and a character from the games.

if you read what i wrote, i said ep. 27 is just an epilogue episode. ep. 28 (.hack//ANOTHER STORY) is supposedly set up to finish up the entire storyline

That was a really bad mispronunciation of "Subaru-chan"... darn dub.

--Romey

actually, its supposed to be subaru-chin. thats the way it was in the original version, and one of .hack's multiple weird honorifics (there was a thread about that in The World BBS, but its gone now)

Romanesque

07-06-2003, 05:25 PM

if you read what i wrote, i said ep. 27 is just an epilogue episode. ep. 28 (.hack//ANOTHER STORY) is supposedly set up to finish up the entire storyline

Yes, I read what you wrote. :p

However, I'm still not quite understanding you. As far as I know, only one of the extra episodes has been released. I would assume that the first one produced ("Intermezzo") would be episode 27 (Since it's the one included on the last dvd volume in japan), and not 28 or 29. From what I had read somewhere on CyberConnect2's site, .hack//ANOTHER STORY sounded more like a label for all the extra episodes, rather than just the episodes set up to finish things.

So I guess my question is, where would you place "Intermezzo"?

actually, its supposed to be subaru-chin. thats the way it was in the original version, and one of .hack's multiple weird honorifics (there was a thread about that in The World BBS, but its gone now)

I still don't remember it being Subaru-chin, but my memory's been getting fuzzier towards the later episodes...

--Romey

Conekiller

07-06-2003, 05:34 PM

Subaru's paralysed, unable to walk in the real world, but in "The World" she has... Fake Wings. :D

Oh my God, that makes so much sence my heart literally skipped a beat reading it. I was clos to it tho, ya gotta gimme that . but as much as the symbolism works it's also lessened a bit seeing as it's just part of the generic character design and not a special mod altering (like Balmung) or an item.

I really need to go back and watch my first 2 DVDs now and pay more attention to how she is (now that I've gota buddy's borrowed PS2 I have a player that will actually PLAY the damn things) plus, none of the Best buys in the area have gotten vol 3 in yet, which is odd, Please Teacher 2,and S-cry-ed also are late for some weird reason.

Duke

07-06-2003, 05:44 PM

You know Subaru and Tsukasa's "relationship" seems pretty one-sided at this point. I don't think that(at this point)Tsukasa habors any romantic feelings for Subaru(or anyone for that matter). I think he would have done the same thing if it had been Mimiru who flung her self on him.

You forget, this Tsukasa had most of his memory wiped out due to dying, so he forgot all of those bonding moments the two of them had earlier in the series.

Jude Santos

07-06-2003, 05:50 PM

Yes, I read what you wrote. :p

However, I'm still not quite understanding you. As far as I know, only one of the extra episodes has been released. I would assume that the first one produced ("Intermezzo") would be episode 27 (Since it's the one included on the last dvd volume in japan), and not 28 or 29. From what I had read somewhere on CyberConnect2's site, .hack//ANOTHER STORY sounded more like a label for all the extra episodes, rather than just the episodes set up to finish things.

So I guess my question is, where would you place "Intermezzo"?

ok, ep. 27 titled "intermezzo" is just a simple epilogue episode happening after the story ends, but doesnt finish off the story. ep. 28 and 29 supposedly finsishes the storyline (and stars kite and black rose and the SIGN characters) of .hack. Ep. 27 is not part of "another story", its just an extra episode project .hack threw on the dvd to please the fans.

oh yeah, theres really no info on eps 28 and 29, im just going by what i read in web newtype and on natsume maya's page

Kosh

07-06-2003, 07:43 PM

Really good episode, wonderful character development, and "ditto" to a lot of what's been said before. My only complaint was that we didn't get to see Ginkan's new group... I'm also waiting for a Krim/Ginkan confrontation, not necessarily a physical one. It's been needed since episode #6 and especially so since last week. Hope we won't be denied. :D

I admit to wondering why Subaru was leader of the Crimson Knights while wearing blue and having her wear pink in the past helps explain things, but I'm curious as to why she changed it and when.... is that ever explained or was it simply a convenient way for viewers to distinguish between "flashback" and "present"? (I'll admit it took until Krim named them the Crimson Knights for me to figure it out. In their first meeting, I thought he was reassuring her that she'd done nothing wrong with Ginkan and disbanding the Knights, then I thought he was with one of the "Subaru-lookalikes", then the reality of it set in.)

I wasn't so much shocked at Subaru being handicapped in real life as I felt vindicated. Way back when, in the episode where Tsukasa goes to see Subaru and Ginkan refuses him, where Subaru spotted him and ran to the bridge, touching the place Tsukasa had been (episode 10?)... I had this theory that Subaru spent as much time in The World as she did because she was handicapped in some way. That her interest in how Tsukasa is able to experience The World stemmed from a desire to somehow mimic it and receive a healthy body/life. I actually thought about posting it back then but didn't for fear of offending someone with a half-baked theory. Now I'm wishing I had. Oh, well. It fits really well.

Anyway, I'm really liking Krim now and can't wait for everyone to deal with Ginkan's group. Somebody needs to drive "It's a game" through their heads with a sledgehammer.

Conekiller
none of the Best buys in the area have gotten vol 3 in yet, which is odd. Please Teacher 2,and S-cry-ed also are late for some weird reason.

No it's not. It was announced a few weeks ago, Vol. 3 got pushed back a week. It's set to be released this Tuesday (the 8th). Don't know about Please Teacher 2, but S-Cry-ed was also pushed back two weeks and is set for release on the 15th.

Conekiller

07-06-2003, 08:28 PM

Thanks, aparently the Best Buy computer system isn't updated with such info. I'll be keeping my eyes peeled.

By the way, I would really like to thank all of you, especially Romey and Fatal for their efforts in keeping this and other spoilers quelched. I normally don't mind spoilers, but in this situation I have become violently adverse to them, I even cussed out a co-worker this morning for bringing up last night's ep before I had an opportunity to watch it (my family was Castle in the Sky instead). My bro (who has seen all of SIGN save INTERMEZZO) has also gotten similar warnings. Once again, thank you and keep it up as things come to a fever pitch in these last few episodes.

Romanesque

07-06-2003, 08:35 PM

ok, ep. 27 titled "intermezzo" is just a simple epilogue episode happening after the story ends, but doesnt finish off the story. ep. 28 and 29 supposedly finsishes the storyline (and stars kite and black rose and the SIGN characters) of .hack. Ep. 27 is not part of "another story", its just an extra episode project .hack threw on the dvd to please the fans.

Ok, now we're getting somewhere. I'll take everything else as fact, but I know for sure that "Intermezzo" isn't an epilogue. Why? I have a copy of it. I'll upload some screenshots if you still don't believe me. =x

oh yeah, theres really no info on eps 28 and 29, im just going by what i read in web newtype and on natsume maya's page

Ahh, ok. Hopefully some info will spring up soon soon. :D

--Romey

Osiris

07-06-2003, 09:18 PM

Up until last night I've always been more of a casual .hack fan. I rarely posted in these talkbacks feeling that the episodes weren't as good as they could have been. The previous statements, however, have been completely annihilated with the advent of these past few episodes which have been absolutely, positlively, stupendous! "Recollection" was an excellant episode and it dealt with the one backstory I wanted the most, that of Subaru, Krim, and the Crimson Knights. The plot was didn't drop of for a second, although I do have to agree the soundtrack was slightly redundant. I am seriously looking forward to final six/seven/eight/nine episodes!

Umino

07-06-2003, 09:53 PM

If anyone wants a Real World Suburu pic..
http://dothack.unstability.net/subaru/20.jpg (http://dothack.unstability.net/subaru/20.jpg)

NOTE: Edited for major last episode spoilers, and for being a freaking huge pic to have directly linked.

Artemis

07-06-2003, 10:09 PM

Tsukasa and Subaru. It's still hard to believe how serious this attraction is blooming. I swear that Mimiru and Tsukasa were about to hook up. Oh well. Subaru's just as good. Plus I was surprised when Tsukasa said he was waiting for her. How sweet :anime:

Tell me about it. I really dislike how Mimiru was shafted like that in favor of Subaru, but I've learned to accept it. Besides, Tsukasa and Subaru kinda need each other anyway, 'specially at this point.

PearlRose86

07-06-2003, 11:10 PM

Subaru was never a favorite character of mine in the series, but after watching "Recollection", I can't help but agree with most of the people here and feel sympathy toward her. She's so meek and non-confrontational, traits that caused me to not like her character that much, but after seeing "real" Subaru, I can understand. A wheelchair, glasses, a blend-into-the-background nature... geez, the girl's got it rough. I finally realize why she spends so much time in the World. I would too, if I were her.

The blonde Subaru "lookalike" was really agrivating... a real pain. I kind of wished I could strangle that brat, especially when she was hurting Subaru like that.

And as much as I love Mimiru, I can see why Subaru and Tsukasa are leaning on each other right now. I'm not crazy about the two as a pair... I guess because of how much I like Mimiru... but I understand, which is good enough.

And yay! Plot is finally getting solved, questions are getting anwsered! The formation of the Crimson Kinghts was quite interesting. I can't wait for next week! ^_^

Maggie

The Detective

07-06-2003, 11:11 PM

Subaru...........is...........in..................a..............wheelchair............

Well I guess now we know why she spend so much time in the world. She probably doesn't have much of a life and is probably truly trying to escape it.

Nice to get some backstory on the Crimson Knights. I didn't realize that Krim and Subaru had actually started them. One little complaint, I always figured that Krim leaving would be more...I don't know just more something in this episode he just seemed to leave on a whim. Oh well minor gripe. :shrug:

Man things are really starting to take shape. I just wish Toonamie would get .HACK now so I could rewatch the whole thing and pick up on the little stuff that you don't get until you see the later episodes.

JShaggy

07-06-2003, 11:26 PM

I'm still not over this episode, seeing Subaru in a "tattered and helpless state". This must have been the first time she experienced pain.

On another note, I noticed that some of y'all commented about Subaru's outfit (both past and present) and thought I would put my two senses in.

The pink and red outfit she had on in those flashback scenes must have been done in order to distinguish her past from her present (the light blue and gray persona).

It appears that Subaru was weak before the formation of the Crimson Knights. After the knights were disbanded, she was back to her weak, defenseless self (in theory).

Jude Santos

07-07-2003, 12:17 AM

Ok, now we're getting somewhere. I'll take everything else as fact, but I know for sure that "Intermezzo" isn't an epilogue. Why? I have a copy of it. I'll upload some screenshots if you still don't believe me. =x

--Romey

ahh, you should have made that clear then. i havent actually _seen_ the ep. 27 (nor do i want to until it comes out on dvd), so i just assumed at happened afterwards.

Cyporiean

07-07-2003, 01:28 AM

ahh, you should have made that clear then. i havent actually _seen_ the ep. 27 (nor do i want to until it comes out on dvd), so i just assumed at happened afterwards.

Well.. Technically it does.

Its a Prolouge and an Epilogue...

Its mostly a big flashback, but parts of it do take place after the series..

Jude Santos

07-07-2003, 02:41 AM

Well.. Technically it does.

Its a Prolouge and an Epilogue...

Its mostly a big flashback, but parts of it do take place after the series..

thats what i heard.

skite

07-07-2003, 02:56 AM

ok thanks duke and from everyone elses posts i see that the pink subaru is in the past k that cleared things up for me thanks

anime_guru

07-07-2003, 08:07 AM

Romanesque

07-07-2003, 12:00 PM

ahh, you should have made that clear then. i havent actually _seen_ the ep. 27 (nor do i want to until it comes out on dvd), so i just assumed at happened afterwards.

I thought the fact that I'd seen it was at least strongly implied...

Well.. Technically it does.

Its a Prolouge and an Epilogue...

Its mostly a big flashback, but parts of it do take place after the series...

From your last statement, I take it you've seen it. However, I'm still going to have to disagree about it being a prologue or an epilogue. How does it serve either purpose?

It provides some back story for Mimiru, but that's in no way a prologue for the entire series, no more than this week's episode was, with Subaru's back story. It also provides back story for one character in the game, but it's an optional character, and other than that character, the episode is in no way a prologue for the games. The episode seems to take place after the series, but that doesn't make it an epilogue, because it doesn't deal with the show's aftermath in any way. So... yeah.

thats what i heard.

Nooot quite, but whatever... I'm growing weary of this particular subject. -_-

Oh, just a reminder to other people in this thread (you know who you are), please watch it with the spoilers...

--Romey

Blue

07-07-2003, 12:39 PM

Wow this was a really really good episode subaru actually feeling pain...not being in charge of a huge gruop of mwen?

Good episodes alot of backstore cool how the crimson knights were made.

To bad that the show is almost over though only 7 more episodes and then the extra 2 i hope.

Michael

07-07-2003, 02:25 PM

grrrrrrrreat epsiode! I loved the whole backstroy and than to know that she was really in a wheelchair!! wow!!!

Jude Santos

07-07-2003, 02:42 PM

post has nothing to do with rating, but it does has something to do with the episode debate...
26, I think anyone who watched the subs, believe that it truely left you hanging, especially with subaru meeting tsukasa outside the world.I also feel that the creators of dot hack make another series that really doesn't answer any of the questions of the past series. In the OVA's on the game, I watched the first 2 and I am waiting for the 3rd and 4th. However, based upon what I saw, it cleared some things up for me, just what I wasn't looking for...
I am glad that there will be 2 more episodes of dot hack after 26, because hell it is needed after the ending...I thought it was such a disappointing ending for a pretty good series that kept me watching...
and Romey, upload the shots, I am waiting to see somehting from ep 27...

not really spoilers, but i'll put it nonetheless (i suggest people who havent seen the series not reading it though)

ok, project .hack ended SIGN that way intentionally so that people would buy the games, so if you want some sort of conclusion, youre gonna have to play the games. what you saw with the SIGN characters is pretty much it when the series ended. also, as you may have read, ep. 27 does NOT deal with the conclusion of SIGN, and 28 and 29, assuming what i read was correct, doesnt deal with it either, and it takes place after the game ended

romey: by epilogue, i (and some people) usually mean taking place after the series, regardless if it deals with the conclusion of the series or not. maybe i should change my definition of the word... anyhow, im still sticking with ep. 27 "taking place after the series with some heavy flashbacks", becuase thats what i heard from most of the .hack fandom

Romanesque

07-07-2003, 03:55 PM

romey: by epilogue, i (and some people) usually mean taking place after the series, regardless if it deals with the conclusion of the series or not. maybe i should change my definition of the word...

I can see how going by different definitions of "epilogue" could cause some confusion... :sweat:

From Merriam-Webster Online:

Main Entry: ep·i·logue
Variant(s): also ep·i·log /'e-p&-"log, -"läg/
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English epiloge, from Middle French epilogue, from Latin epilogus, from Greek epilogos, from epilegein to say in addition, from epi- + legein to say -- more at LEGEND (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=legend)
Date: 15th century
1 : a concluding section that rounds out the design of a literary work
2 a : a speech often in verse addressed to the audience by an actor at the end of a play; also : the actor speaking such an epilogue b : the final scene of a play that comments on or summarizes the main action
3 : the concluding section of a musical composition : CODA (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=coda)

In the context of an epilogue episode, I'd usually assume something along the lines of (1), (2a), or (2b).

anyhow, im still sticking with ep. 27 "taking place after the series with some heavy flashbacks", becuase thats what i heard from most of the .hack fandom

And they would be quite correct. It appears to take place after the series, and it features heavy flashbacks. However, neither has anything to do with explaining or clarifying anything. At best, it establishes a connection between characters from .hack//SIGN and an otherwise arbitrary character from .hack//INFECTION. That's about it. Not that it doesn't have it's own interesting qualities, but it's no epilogue. That was the only point I was trying to make, and I think I've driven that into the ground enough for today. :sweat:

So... let's move on. =x

--Romey

Sora Takenouchi

07-07-2003, 04:20 PM

Um...getting back to episode discussion...

I never cared for Subaru. She was my least favorite character next to Ginkan,....and she still kinda is, but this ep made me feel for her. I don't feel like rehashing what everyone else has said so I'll just show my simple reactions:

Subaru is a wheelchair: :eek:

Krim helping Subaru in the flashbacks: :)

Ginkan's introduction: :p

Subaru getting messed up by her "fan": :mad:

Tsukasa and Subaru's moment at the end: :anime:

Jude Santos

07-07-2003, 05:27 PM

Subaru getting messed up by her "fan": :mad:

she wasnt a fan, she said she had that character before subaru had it and she hates her for it.

romey: i not saying my definition of epilogue is correct, thats just the way i (and some peopel too) use it. but now that you put up the correct defintion... bleh, im going to end up using it wrong anyhow :p lets move on, we both agree that it doesnt have anythning to do with the conclusion of the story (althouh im going to end up using epilogue sometime down the road :shrug: )

Sora Takenouchi

07-07-2003, 05:32 PM

she wasnt a fan, she said she had that character before subaru had it.

Oh, I thought I saw someone refer to her as her "fan" or "stalker" or something, but wasn't sure. I guess I wasn't paying attention as much as I thought I was. But whatever the reaction's the same". :mad:

lostrune

07-07-2003, 08:40 PM

1. The Net is a great equalizer, isn't it? How many people would be even interested at, much less hit on, a girl in a wheelchair in RL unless he's "familiar" with her first? And here we have good ol' well-to-do Crim and maybe even innocent little Tsukasa caught in her WWWeb of deceit, I mean, Net persona. Cry me a river on a laptop! :D

2. Couchin, the other winged-axe chara, probably left Subaru just at near death so Subaru couldn't just re-login at last save all composed and fresh but instead have to suffer the indignity walking around all beat-up. The hentai animators, meanwhile, probably just wanted to see sweet Subaru undressed in a molested sort of way. :D

2b. Maybe that explains why the Crimson Knights all seem to be males or maybe lesbians hiding behind male personas....

3. Pink->white Subaru, probably just a level change? (Assuming one can't just change character attires in the game.)

Tea

07-07-2003, 08:59 PM

Jude Santos

07-07-2003, 09:44 PM

She SAID that, but I think she was just lying. It couldn't be a coincidence for someone to accidentally imitate Subaru's design AND monitor her as closely as she claimed to.

theres millions of players in "the world" and theres A LOT of people that look alike (orca and bear, elk and tsukasa, blackrose and mimiru). i think it IS a coincedence.

also, Subaru is very famous in "the world", pretty much every action she makes gets known throught "the world". another thing, she didnt even know if she was the real subaru or not when they first met

ohmrbill

07-07-2003, 09:54 PM

I don't think the pink clothes to blue clothes thing requires any big explanation. A lot MMORPG's allow you to change your character's clothes at will.

Romanesque

07-08-2003, 12:38 AM

Regarding Subaru's change in clothing...

It's established in .hack//DUSK that characters can change clothing. It's also established that characters can go prancing around naked, but that's another matter... :sweat:

--Romey

Conekiller

07-08-2003, 02:56 PM

It's established in .hack//DUSK that characters can change clothing. It's also established that characters can go prancing around naked

I hope it ain't Rena, tha'ts just creepy! I've already seen an image of her ina shower that seemed like official artwork. Leave it to .hack to give us fanservice in the fashion of little kids...ugh.

if it ain't Rena, disregard the majority of that post ^_____^ :sweat:

Dark

07-08-2003, 05:03 PM

I hope it ain't Rena, tha'ts just creepy!

yeah. well, it's more shugo blocking her, and the camera angles are... well planned, but the entire second half of episode 6 definitly wouldn't fly in the US.

Conekiller

07-08-2003, 07:26 PM

No, the game gives her the "wings" that let her
A)"move" freely
b) Interact with people without getting an "oh how sad, you're paralysed" kind of response.
C) just freedom in general that she doesn't have in RL. Both Travel-wise and social interaction-wise.

the Wings is a metaphor for her use of the World game

Romanesque

07-08-2003, 07:26 PM

I hope it ain't Rena, that's just creepy! I've already seen an image of her in a shower that seemed like official artwork. Leave it to .hack to give us fanservice in the fashion of little kids...ugh.

if it ain't Rena, disregard the majority of that post ^_____^ :sweat:

Ha, not just Rena...
More like half of the entire cast...
Though everything's at least conveniently blocked from view.

yeah. well, it's more shugo blocking her, and the camera angles are... well planned, but the entire second half of episode 6 definitly wouldn't fly in the US.

From what I remember of episode 6, the exact situation with Shugo blocking her doesn't really help all that much. :sweat: Eh heh.

I have been thinking about this for a while now and I still don't get it:confused: If they were real wings and she flew around I could see a connection as she still would be unable to walk. But the fake wings don't really aid in her walking do they? I think the way Conekiller says it works better she's always moving on the boat similar to the wheelchair:shrug:

If she could actually fly with those wings, they wouldn't be symbolic, now would they? ;-)

In 'The World' she's physically free to move about. Sure, she's chained down by her duty to oversee the Crimson Knights, but that same responsibility has also been something that's given her strength. Now that she's finally free of the Crimson Knights, she can truly move as she pleases, but she's lost without direction. Regardless of being bound by duty or not, she has choices to make in 'The World' that she can't currently have in the real world. That's the freedom that only her Fake Wings can provide. They don't represent real wings, they represent her mind and body in 'The World'. It's a spiritual sorta thing.

EDIT: Dangit, Conekiller, you beat me to it by mere seconds. :p

--Romey

Conekiller

07-08-2003, 08:22 PM

That's the second time I've done that today (once with Landstander in the Gen Anim. board)

I do kinda anticipate DUSK, regardless of near virtual kiddy porn. It sounds funny anyway (and hey, if I can get thru Puni Puni Poemi with no problem, I doubt this would bother me)

PowerZord

07-08-2003, 08:29 PM

This episode was great!!

lostrune

07-08-2003, 08:29 PM

she wasnt a fan, she said she had that character before subaru had it and she hates her for it.

She SAID that, but I think she was just lying. It couldn't be a coincidence for someone to accidentally imitate Subaru's design AND monitor her as closely as she claimed to.

This doesn't make sense.
If she had the character before Subaru, then why would she be the one to accidentally imitate Subaru's design?

Conekiller

07-08-2003, 10:54 PM

She wa accused of imitating, that's what pissed her off toward Subaru so much, a mere coincidence spawned such ridicule toward Couchin that she took her anger and focused it toward Subaru the real "poser" in her mind

Jude Santos

07-10-2003, 01:16 AM

off topic for a moment...

apparently, it was said in the .hack panel at AX that ep. 28 is the final animated .hack episode, and denied the existence of ep. 29. also, ep. 28 might just be another flashback episode (dont take my word on it though, im still hoping for animated Kite and Blackrose)

anyway, getting back into topic, im happy subaru is getting more screen time :)

lostrune

07-10-2003, 08:07 PM

Oh well, at least it's coming.

Off Anime Nation news ('http://animenation.net/news/'):

.hack//Integration Announced
According to the Natsume Maya website, Bandai Japan will release a DVD set in Japan on October 24th titled ".hack//INTEGRATION." The set will contain all 4 .Hack//LIMINALITY OAVs that originally came as bonuses with the Playstation 2 games, the original .hack//SIGN episode 28, and a .hack//Tasogare no Udewa Densetsu drama CD.

Conekiller

07-10-2003, 08:41 PM