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Mysteryinfoman
06-03-2003, 07:52 PM
If you have made a pilot and want to it to be on AS, want would you need so AS or Cn can show it and possibly make it into a series. :)
livingfruitvirus
06-03-2003, 08:48 PM
im confused. is this a thread where we think up our own pilot or a trivia question? anyway, to get it shown - all pilots on CN are contractually obligated to air before a certain date.
Mysteryinfoman
06-03-2003, 08:54 PM
no I mean if you had made a pilot do you have to follow guidelines and also if you could create your own pilot what would it be about.
Misato Tanaka
06-03-2003, 09:19 PM
I would make a pilot about a teacher named miss cole, called satan lives in Westbranch, Michigan. It would be about a teacher so bad that everyone in the whole entire world hated her and knew how much of a B:bosko::bosko::bosko:h she was. She failed people in AC, and gave out detentions for putting your feet on the book rack. It could be either on the action section or on the comedy section. the action section because of the obious before-said fact that she is the worst human being on earth...or on the comedy section because one of her students is a little homosexual who riverdances around the room.
a coming of age story based on the true life story of...sadly, me.
the moral of the story is....if you ever meet a fat blob named miss cole...punch her please, for me.
Aurochs
06-03-2003, 09:44 PM
I would make a pilot about a teacher named miss cole, called satan lives in Westbranch, Michigan. It would be about a teacher so bad that everyone in the whole entire world hated her and knew how much of a B:bosko::bosko::bosko:h she was. She failed people in AC, and gave out detentions for putting your feet on the book rack. It could be either on the action section or on the comedy section. the action section because of the obious before-said fact that she is the worst human being on earth...or on the comedy section because one of her students is a little homosexual who riverdances around the room.
Your pilot sounds a little biased.
Caffeine King
06-03-2003, 10:11 PM
Mine would be about the everyday life of a teacher and their everyday dillemas.
I have more ideas for a cartoon, though.
Killtacular
06-03-2003, 10:12 PM
I have an idea or two.
Misato Tanaka
06-04-2003, 08:18 PM
Your pilot sounds a little biased.
Bah:sheep:humbug.....
Mysteryinfoman
06-04-2003, 08:45 PM
If a pilot is shown on cn what rating can it go up to tv-14 or tv-ma?
Killtacular
06-04-2003, 08:47 PM
TV-14.
Why would you want TV-MA? TV-MA = less funny.
Aurochs
06-04-2003, 08:59 PM
TV-14.
Why would you want TV-MA? TV-MA = less funny.
Explain your logic. A show is either funny or it isn't. It's humor has nothing to do with an abstract rating that a board of censors give it that appears at the corner of it's screen. (Unless of course you're really tickled by a white box that says "14") I'd think TV-MA shows would actually have the oppertunity to be funnier, because the censorship of the art would be more minimal.
The quantity of obscenities and over "objectionable" content doesn't decrease the quality of the show, nor does it increase it.
(Unless of course you're really tickled by a white box that says "14")
HAHAHAHA!! 14! Yeah, that one always gets me in tears...seems that almost every AS show has used it though, they really need to let it go, or it's gonna get stale.
Also, what would one need to do in order to get their pilot to Cartoon Network or Williams Street or whoever matters in this case?
Killtacular
06-04-2003, 09:10 PM
The only thing MA adds is extra gratuity that doesn't make the scenes any funnier, but in fact degrade.
Peter Puppy
06-04-2003, 09:34 PM
I'll have to agree with Matt Wilson on that one. This is just my opinion, but a show like Family Guy has a perfect amount of vulgarity; in which there's enough to attract older audiences, yet there isn't too much to the point of redundancy. South Park, on the other hand, uses the same curse words and fart jokes so much, that many of the episodes are too similar to each other.
Aurochs
06-04-2003, 09:37 PM
The only thing MA adds is extra gratuity that doesn't make the scenes any funnier, but in fact degrade.
Are you saying that every scene in a movie that ever had the word "****" would not be cheapened in any way if it was edited so it said "doody"? Are you saying that the level of quality wouldn't be effected if every movie with nudity was edited over with digital fig leaves? That's bullplop.
Explicit content does not always equal gratuity. Sometimes people use obscenity, violence or frank sexual dialogue for poetic reasons, not just because the writers second-grade school boys who are fascinated with and delighted by "naughty words".
Are you saying that every scene in a movie that ever had the word "****" would not be cheapened in any way if it was edited so it said "doody"? Are you saying that the level of quality wouldn't be effected if every movie with nudity was edited over with digital fig leaves? That's bullplop.
We're talking about comedy, you're talking about something completely different.
A show doesn't have to be TV-MA to be funny. Sometimes, when someone gets the opportunity to make a TV-MA show, it seems like they go crazy with it and make it as vulgar as possible, just for the heck of it, just because they can, not necessarily making the show any funnier.
Aurochs
06-04-2003, 09:52 PM
We're talking about comedy, you're talking about something completely different.
A show doesn't have to be TV-MA to be funny. Sometimes, when someone gets the opportunity to make a TV-MA show, it seems like they go crazy with it and make it as vulgar as possible, just for the heck of it, just because they can, not necessarily making the show any funnier.
While yes, there are people who make shows that are so vulgar they're inane. I can think of plenty of examples. I don't think the rating has to do with it. I can think of plenty of obscene TV-14 and TV-PG shows. And yes, when comedic timing is taken into consideration, certain words are funnier then others, and not in a schoolyard "he said fart" kind of way. Take the ATHF line "there wasn't a carnival in there. It was a damned freezer!" If ATHF was edited to give it a TV-G rating, the line would take considerable damage. "It was a darn freezer" loses the feel of the line. Some shows use profanity for a reason. Besides, TV-MA doesn't give you that many words. Essentially, the main difference is words like "***damn" and "***hole".
Edit: I had to bypass the word filter to make my point.
nothing
06-04-2003, 10:56 PM
South Park is TV-MA and is mildly amusing, but really goes for shock as humor instead of creativity.
Curb Your Enthusiasm is TV-MA and is wickedly funny... the season finale was quite vulgar and was simply brilliant. i think the shock value is trying to figure out how the events in the episode will creatively tie together.
i don't want to think what SPIKE TV (now with more females) will be shooting for with Stripperella, but i'm guessing it will swing on the crude side.
i've heard it said that [adult swim] is smart funny and tries to distance themselves from crude funny. ratings schmatings, what matters is the comedy. animation wise, crude humor just doesn't hold up well to a smart, well written smart comedy.
yawn. can't make point - woke up too early. must eyes close...
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Aurochs
06-05-2003, 12:58 AM
South Park is TV-MA and is mildly amusing, but really goes for shock as humor instead of creativity.
Curb Your Enthusiasm is TV-MA and is wickedly funny... the season finale was quite vulgar and was simply brilliant. i think the shock value is trying to figure out how the events in the episode will creatively tie together.
i don't want to think what SPIKE TV (now with more females) will be shooting for with Stripperella, but i'm guessing it will swing on the crude side.
i've heard it said that [adult swim] is smart funny and tries to distance themselves from crude funny. ratings schmatings, what matters is the comedy. animation wise, crude humor just doesn't hold up well to a smart, well written smart comedy.
yawn. can't make point - woke up too early. must eyes close...
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I agree. But the point I'm making is that you can't judge quality by ratings. They give the episode it's rating after the episode's been produced. I've seen some brilliant things that are labeled "TV-MA". If I made a show dedicated to strippers who are sexually attracted to feces and vomit and flatulate every five minutes, it's going to be just as bad with the "TV-PG" rating as it would be with a "TV-MA" rating. "The Man Show" is utterly vapid, low-brow, unfunny, and retarded, and it's rating "TV-14". Saying bad words doesn't make something crass. Making sexual innuendo doesn't make a show degenerate and non-clever. And a little bug at the top of the screen with a bizarre key code handed out by bureaucrats based off of how many times the show says “Jesus Christ” isn't an indicator of quality.
Mysteryinfoman
06-05-2003, 04:39 PM
I put tv-ma because well shows like south park are tv-ma and are funny, I dont mean like a bunch of blood or sexual content like on other shows I mean funny things that are meant to be tv-ma, thats all.
Matt, I would seriously watch anything you put on tv.
Heck, I'm surprised you haven't been asked to do anything.
Anyway, I'm more interested in how you would actually GET a pilot on CN. I mean, would you just go up to them and pitch the concept and see if it works or what?
moreysurf8
06-05-2003, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by Matt Wilson
Why would you want TV-MA? TV-MA = less funny.
TV-MA does NOT equal less funny. Ratings don't detemine what I'll call "the funny", writing and acting determine "the funny". Look at Mr. Show, one of the best sketch shows ever (up there with KITH and Python). That show was TV-MA and I can guarantee you it wouldn't be as funny if the rating was TV-14 because Bob and David wouldn't be to get away with the same content. The same goes for another HBO show (which someone mentioned already), Curb Your Enthusiasm. Larry David (creator, star, and writer (sort of) for CYE, and co-creator/writer of Seinfeld) said that he and Jerry Seinfeld were able to get around the censors, but "Curb" is able to delve into darker comedy and much of the content is not even close to passable on network or basic cable. I'll admit there are a lot of TV-MA shows out there that are just pointless and gratuitous, but the statment made that "TV-MA=less funny" is a complete generalization.
Anyway, I'm more interested in how you would actually GET a pilot on CN. I mean, would you just go up to them and pitch the concept and see if it works or what?
Yeah, I'm wondering about how that works too.
livingfruitvirus
06-05-2003, 05:29 PM
Yeah, I'm wondering about how that works too.
they have pitch meetings, or something similar to that. if you wanted to pitch something to Adult Swim, you'd have to present it to Mike Lazzo. it usually needs to consist of character designs/descriptions, complete plot synopses for 13 or more episodes, at least 40 sketches of the characters interacting, and 2-4 painted backgrounds. also storyboards help. of course it's easier to get a show/pilot if you already work for CN and they've seen what you can do. if they like your idea and want to commission a pilot, you have to put together a series bible, which is your character descriptions, plots, and as much information about the show as you can, such as locations in the town, blueprints of characters' houses, background information, etc.
Conekiller
06-05-2003, 06:16 PM
they have pitch meetings, or something similar to that. if you wanted to pitch something to Adult Swim, you'd have to present it to Mike Lazzo. it usually needs to consist of character designs/descriptions, complete plot synopses for 13 or more episodes, at least 40 sketches of the characters interacting, and 2-4 painted backgrounds. also storyboards help. of course it's easier to get a show/pilot if you already work for CN and they've seen what you can do. if they like your idea and want to commission a pilot, you have to put together a series bible, which is your character descriptions, plots, and as much information about the show as you can, such as locations in the town, blueprints of characters' houses, background information, etc.
how much you wanna bet that's where those images of the ATHF in the OP actually fighting crime and aliens came from?
Heheh..
Sounds like it would really suck for someone who's show got rejected.
By the way, where did you find all this out LFV?
Aurochs
06-05-2003, 07:19 PM
how much you wanna bet that's where those images of the ATHF in the OP actually fighting crime and aliens came from?
I doubt it. They probably made those just as a joke. I doubt any of the Williams Street shows had to go through the procedure that LFV mentioned. My guess would just be that the CN higher-ups just allowed Williams Street to make some pilots.
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