My school is now officially Nazi Germany.

[ZorBrak]

I'm sure you've heard my numerous rantings on how much I HATE my school- about the incompetant teachers, middle school rules (no hats, or gum on priso...er school grounds), 7 point grading scale, disorganization, disease rate and so forth...it's bad...a statistics report showed that the performance on EOCs was 20% worse than the STATE average, in fact only one department, the science department had a grade above 70. It's not the students so much as it is reflective of the teaching quality (lack thereof) I have to teach myself with books I buy at Barnes and Noble for the most part. The racist teachers don't help, most of them aren't white and aren't too friendly to whites and it shows in the biased grading. There's to much crap too list.

Well...
It just got worse.
As of today our school days have been extended 40 minutes. In addition to that lunches were cut from 35 minutes to 20 minutes (making us have 55 minutes more of class time in total). In addition to that we are no loner allowed to wear white t-shirts because they could signify gang activity (LOL I know..gang activity? These people need to be smacked in the head with bricks) and here comes the best new rule of them all- Any person stnading, chatting, or just whatever within a group of more than 3 people will be suspended, no exceptions. All of these facist rules were announced by my Dictato...er principal this morning. For the students it is the last sraw. We don't even have gang violence, this is a an upper middle class school area I have no idea how this school has become what it is or been permited to go this far. But it has to stop. They've crippled my future and limited my college choices with their incompetance and I don't want future students of this wretched school to have to go through this. The problem is the administration of this school-and the county school board, not the students. There's serious talk of student protest. I suggested everyone wear white shirts on monday...but seriously what can I do? We are SICK of this disdainful schools injustices and incompetance.

[Daniel P]

What's your school's problem? The last rule has to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Also, I'd be in trouble on that other rule... Bceause 95% of the T-shirts I own are white.

[PRdude]

Dude, that's terrible. I went through similar things at my high school.

In my freshman year of high school, the boys were vandalizing the bathrooms by writing on walls, urinating on the walls, in the sink, and on the floor. So what they did about it was this. If guys had to use the bathroom, they'd have to go to the Dean's office and get a key for the bathroom, sign in what time you go to the bathroom, and when they were done, sign out, and return the key.

When I was a junior, they enforced this rule that if you were dating someone, you're not to walk with person holding hands inside the school. Of course nobody followed that rule.

Now here's the killer. When I was a senior, there were a lot of locker thefts. So what they did is made it so we couldn't go to our lockers to get books for classes and put away books we don't need until directly before and directly after our lunch periods. I was unfortunate enough to have to forget my math book and was compelled to sneak to my locker to get it. I got caught by the assistant dean and had to serve detention for five days straight for an hour each day. *sigh*

[RZetlin]

Location. Location. Location.

Maybe it's time to transfer to another school.

How far are you from graduating?

If you are graduating this year then you can probably put up with the rules.

[Reed Richards]

sue 'em over the white t-shirt thing-- id like to see them justify that to ANY judge-- they'll get laughed out of court-- same with the whole "groups" concept.

[PRdude]

sue 'em over the white t-shirt thing-- id like to see them justify that to ANY judge-- they'll get laughed out of court-- same with the whole "groups" concept.

Yeah but the system is crazy nowadays too. I wouldn't be surprised if the school won.

[Psycho Fox]

They've crippled my future and limited my college choices with their incompetance and I don't want future students of this wretched school to have to go through this. The problem is the administration of this school-and the county school board, not the students. There's serious talk of student protest. I suggested everyone wear white shirts on monday...but seriously what can I do? We are SICK of this disdainful schools injustices and incompetance.
Well for starters you could use the school paper if there is none start one. Also write to the community paper, get a campain going to vote out the people who are responsible.

Make signs and go on strike during the 15 minutes they took from your lunch. This will only work if the majority of student are willing to not give up a single minute of their old lunch time and everyone is willing to stand together and willing to take the blow backs from the school. Form a real student union to help students that get targeted by the school.

[Majin_Megabyte]

And I thought my school life was bad. I agree all those rules,and things sucks. I would start an protest against the school board,and the stupid county.

[Barb Gordon]

My goodness, you poor thing .That sounds like the crappiest, stupidest, most pathetic excuse for a school to ever attend. You can't talk in groups, can't chew gum, can't weae white t-shirts?!?!?! That's just scary that a high school can actually have rules like that! Not to mention the lunch period, that's pathetic. My school had a 50 minute lunch period. Heck, if you're buying lunch, it can take 20 minutes just to get it! They actually expect you to eat lunch in 20 minutes? What a joke. You should really try to get a petition started, this circus has just got to stop.

~Barb

[Sir Gatts]

As of today our school days have been extended 40 minutes.

I had the same thing happen to me way back when I was in middle school. I think the times then were 8AM - 2, then later increased 8AM - 3. They never reduced the lunch hours then as they only added an few minutes to each individual class. I remembered when it sucked then, that is until I got to high school when the hours on certain days were from 8AM - 6.5, but hopefully you'll have better luck in getting shorter schedules throughout the week span.

[Chris Wood]

Look at the bright side. At least there's good bratwurst.

[Daniel P]

I'm not one to usually speak my mind in public schools, but in your case I would. The principal sounds like a power-crazed Nazi.

[Senbei Norimaki]

Stop caring so much about your liberties!

[Supreme]

I think that the worst thing to do is take it upon yourselves. Don't any of you kids have parents? If your parents are going along with the asinine rules, then you have (mostly) no one to blame but them. The school board, the PTA and other organizations are made up of parents. At least when I went to school (not all that long ago), when they wanted something done, and were organized, it got done. We had a "no tank-top" rule in effect for about a week before a mere five mothers and fathers stepped in and had it eliminated. Believe me, they'll listen to registered voters and taxpayers.

The idea of going to the press is good, also.

I'd have to agree with the hat and gum thing, though. It's funny how something like a baseball cap can turn an ordinary guy into a real punk. And kids haven't learned how to handle gum since it was invented. It's bad enough having those tiny desks without having to smoosh your knees into something that someone else has been chewing

[Catlover]

I'm sorry your school is like that Zorbrak. Like everybody said use the school newspaper or have all the students petion. All of those rules are pure hogwash. Anyway, hearing stuf like this makes me glad I use an coraspondence high school.

[Comic Book Boy]

Go to your citys paper...they will listen.

Stop that BS.

[WingZombie38]

A lot of good advice. I remember back in high school my school was starting to get stupid with thier rules. For example, we were not allowed to wear spandex. :dad:

The principal always said "Spandex is a privalege not a right." Well, excuse us! I remember one year a whole bunch of us got together and wore spandex. We all got punished. I know he still must be banning it. And who knows what else.

Our school also provided a free service to senior were they mailed our college applications out. To spare you people the crap involved.... I got rejection letters from all of the colleges I applied to because the applications got their after the deadline!!!!!!!!! mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: After many tears I got myself into a crappy college that is 10x worse then my my high school was.

ZorBrak, does your school have this thing where they go to junior highs to promot the school? Kind of like college fairs. I know my high school did. My senior year, I volunteered to go to those fairs at my local junior highs. I told the people about our school and everything they ban and stuff. I also spoke about the negatives. Let's say our school wasn't so popular that year.

....lets not forget all the things I didn't mention about my H.S. Why are schools becomming so bad? Is it really because of bad funding? :(

[SilverKnight]

I understand the gum and hat thing. My school had the same thing. We also had no hand-holding, touching, kissing, etc, although no one ever really followed it. We also had 25 minute lunch breaks.

But, no groups larger than three? What the hell? Call the local news. Tell them that you'd be willing to spill the beans on a "growing epidemic". If you can't kill 'em, make their life hell, I always say. :D >winks<

>hands ZorBrak a cookie< We got your back, man. :)

[Nick Biped]

Sheesh...the idea of not being allowed to wear white T-shirts is just plain stupid. There are many, many people I know that own white T-shirts, and funnily enough, they aren't part of any gang. And then there's the "no more than 3 people in a group" rule.

Yeah, it's probably best to make some noise about these rules. Maybe a petition, or an article in a newspaper or something.

[Chris Wood]

A lot of good advice. I remember back in high school my school was starting to get stupid with thier rules. For example, we were not allowed to wear spandex. :dad:

The principal always said "Spandex is a privalege not a right." Well, excuse us! I remember one year a whole bunch of us got together and wore spandex. We all got punished. I know he still must be banning it. And who knows what else.?

Bwahahahaha!!!!!!!!!! No spandex!!!!????? Hahahaha!!!!!!! What, did you go to high school with Bon Jovi and Motley Crue or something?

[SlyBoy]

My middle school has a rule in which you can't have the visor of your hat go to the side or back of your head. Now that's stupid.

[Ajax]

Not to mention the lunch period, that's pathetic. My school had a 50 minute lunch period. Heck, if you're buying lunch, it can take 20 minutes just to get it! They actually expect you to eat lunch in 20 minutes? Its kinda of funny cause we have to. In My HS our lunch period is only 20 minutes, and we can't chew gum either. But there is a reason, I go to a prep school. On the other hand you can instigate a walkout.

[Legolas's_Woman]

my school--- a christian college-- is very strict. we get treated like little kids part of the time. we have curfew at 11:30 on the weekdays and 12:30 on the the weekends.
we can't wear shorts or pajama pants to class-- no tank tops or strappy tops, no revealing tops(which is reasonable-- don't want anyone to stumble)--
the school is moving in 4-7 years and where the school is now-- not much is being done to improve it.

but on a good note i am graduating in 2-3 years--- so i don't really have to worry about the moving ordeal.

i just thought i would add a little about some of the stupid rules at my school.

[Jaguar]

One word: Uniforms. Retarded, ugly, uniforms.
Let them suffer in hell.

[Supreme]

Uniforms is one concept that I have always fully supported. Besides giving the school somewhat of a preppy/professional look, you eliminate all the crap that goes with "fashion". Kids (and parents) have enough problems without having to worry about if they are keeping up with the current trend. You also eliminate the pre-teen ho-bags and little wanna-be "baby thugs".

It's also a little over-reactive to throw around the "Nazi Germany" term just because of a few little rules. I'm sure a more than few Jewish people would be willing to trade their "showers" for the white shirt restriction in a heartbeat.

[Catlover]

Uniforms is one concept that I have always fully supported. Besides giving the school somewhat of a preppy/professional look, you eliminate all the crap that goes with "fashion". Kids (and parents) have enough problems without having to worry about if they are keeping up with the current trend. You also eliminate the pre-teen ho-bags and little wanna-be "baby thugs".

I completly agree with you on that and the gum chewing and baseball cap rules. Haveing school uniforms would prevent those stupid little "clicks" from forming. Besides, who wouldn't want to wear those school uniforms like they wear in japan.

[SlyBoy]

Uniforms is one concept that I have always fully supported. Besides giving the school somewhat of a preppy/professional look, you eliminate all the crap that goes with "fashion".

HOLY CRAP!!! :eek:

[Catlover]

HOLY CRAP!!! :eek:

Whats wrong with school uniforms? Like supreme said they look very profesinal.

[SlyBoy]

Whats wrong with school uniforms? Like supreme said they look very profesinal.

They look stupid! I don't want to have the same exact clothes everyone wears! Have you ever heard of individuality... God. :rolleyes:

[The Dork Knight]

Wow... Your school sucks.

- The Dork Knight

[The Falcon]

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

i have never, EVER been so infuriated by something in my entire life!!! geez...one would think i'm a student activisit. :) now, i am a college sophomore, but i have never heard of anything being so bad in a high school setting that the faculty and administration felt that they needed to invoke such rules upon the students

what i would do if i was you...

1: become the leader of the people! rally up all the students for a humongous protest to bring down the faculty and administration. talk with you parents about it first, though. try to get them on your side, and if they don't side with you? forget them and protest anyway. do either a sit-it or do what you are doing right now and let the nation know about this kind of activity. except, maybe you could give all of us your principal's email address, so we can personally let him know how we, THE STUDENTS!, feel

2: if a protest isn't for you, go to school and break all these rules (the ridiculous ones anyway) believe me, detention isn't as bad as people claim. besides, i've never heard of "white" being a gang color. isn't is usually something vivid like blue, red, yellow, etc.?

KoD

[Chris Wood]

They look stupid! I don't want to have the same exact clothes everyone wears! Have you ever heard of individuality... God. :rolleyes:

Yeah, the individual right to get shot over your flashy jacket. If uniforms will keep the peace, then I support them.

[zmanjz]

Yeah, the individual right to get shot over your flashy jacket. If uniforms will keep the peace, then I support them.


I completely and utterly disagree with the Idea of Uniforms in public Schools. If Parents wish to determine this for their kids, I would disagree, but that's their perogative.

BUT in a public school. I completely and utterly disagree with the use of Uniforms. In the Military and Police and the like Uniforms are useful, they foster "esprit de corps" and they serve a purpose in Identifying friends and foes. (However even then under the strictest circumstances, I still believe that troops should be allowed options in uniform modifications and types.)

I am far too much of an individualist to think that kids and teens in their formative years should have their desire to express themselves ground under the boot heels of an oppressive administration.

Not only that, but for intelligent students it implies a lack of trust. I see it as saying: "Hey kids, we don't trust you to not kill each other if you wear different clothes, so we're going to make you all look alike, so that the only differences between you are your intelligence and physical attributes.

Oh yeah, that solves alot.

[Psilon]

I completely and utterly disagree with the Idea of Uniforms in public Schools. If Parents wish to determine this for their kids, I would disagree, but that's their perogative.

BUT in a public school. I completely and utterly disagree with the use of Uniforms. In the Military and Police and the like Uniforms are useful, they foster "esprit de corps" and they serve a purpose in Identifying friends and foes. (However even then under the strictest circumstances, I still believe that troops should be allowed options in uniform modifications and types.)

I am far too much of an individualist to think that kids and teens in their formative years should have their desire to express themselves ground under the boot heels of an oppressive administration.

Not only that, but for intelligent students it implies a lack of trust. I see it as saying: "Hey kids, we don't trust you to not kill each other if you wear different clothes, so we're going to make you all look alike, so that the only differences between you are your intelligence and physical attributes.

Oh yeah, that solves alot.

I don't understand how wearing clothes expresses yourself. Reminds me when Barts gets an earing, and Lisa replies "How non-conformist in a conformist sort of way." (I think thats the quote). Uniforms are actually good in public schools in my opinion. They destroy the economic boundaries between the kids in the school. If you want to express yourself you can write, paint or play music. All much worthier efforts than fashion.

[Clayface]

In my area, uniforms weren't used to suppress anyone's individuality, but to prevent gang violence. Same thing with how you wear your hat, or even if you wear a hat at all. When you've got people shooting people because of the color shirt they wear, or the direction they turn the brim of thier hat, I'd say uniforms and rules on clothing are an excellent idea. Thus, I have no problem with them in public or private schools.

[Drachentöter]

Er, I live in the suburbs, so we don't have a BIG gang problem. So long as the guy's clothes doesn't have profanity/OBVIOUS gang symbols (white shirts? WTF?) on it, they're fine. So long as the girl's clothing doesn't make a guy go :eek: they're fine.

Our school day was extended half an hour as a result of almost two weeks of snow days. Students protested, but nobody listened. Now half the working students are fired from their after-school jobs. Way to go, school board.

[SlyBoy]

Er, I live in the suburbs, so we don't have a BIG gang problem. So long as the guy's clothes doesn't have profanity/OBVIOUS gang symbols (white shirts? WTF?) on it, they're fine. So long as the girl's clothing doesn't make a guy go :eek: they're fine.

That's EXACTLY what I'm saying here.

[SlyBoy]

Yeah, the individual right to get shot over your flashy jacket. If uniforms will keep the peace, then I support them.

Yeah well, school uniforms are unfair to those people who aren't wearing the latest styles (like me), and are fine with the clothes they're wearing currently.

[RZetlin]

Yeah well, school uniforms are unfair to those people who aren't wearing the latest styles (like me), and are fine with the clothes they're wearing currently.

What about the students who can't afford the lastest fashion?

What do you say about them?

[turbomog007]

My school has uniforms and they are not that bad and it makes it much easier for me just to grab some clothes.

[Catlover]

What about the students who can't afford the lastest fashion?

What do you say about them?

Yup, I aggre. The students who can't afford the leather jacket that everyone else is wearing will be picked on by the snoby kids. (there is at least two in every school) It could even decrease some of the voilence that takes place in schools now days.

I don't understand how wearing clothes expresses yourself. Reminds me when Barts gets an earing, and Lisa replies "How non-conformist in a conformist sort of way." (I think thats the quote). Uniforms are actually good in public schools in my opinion. They destroy the economic boundaries between the kids in the school. If you want to express yourself you can write, paint or play music. All much worthier efforts than fashion.

Here's another example, let's say that the latest "hip" fashion among girls is sport bras and spandex shorts. If the majorty of high school age girls starts to wear that fashion, they are in essence wearing a uniform. Clothes are just clothes, besides after you get home from school you can take the uniform off and wear whatever you want.

[RZetlin]

The problem with fashion is it can come out of style so easily.

When you finish highschool and start adulthood you are going to wonder why you wear such funky clothes in the first place.

[Supreme]

Yup, I agree. The students who can't afford the leather jacket that everyone else is wearing will be picked on by the snobby kids. (there is at least two in every school)
Probably closer to at least ten times that. But the problem isn't the snobby kids. It's the kids who want that leather jacket, and will get it by any means necessary.


Clothes are just clothes, besides after you get home from school you can take the uniform off and wear whatever you want.
Plus, the people you'll be around after school will be your true friends, the ones who accept you for who you are, not what you wear...
...unless it's your boyfriend. Then he'll accept you for what you don't wear :p

[Psycho Fox]

Er, I live in the suburbs, so we don't have a BIG gang problem. So long as the guy's clothes doesn't have profanity/OBVIOUS gang symbols (white shirts? WTF?) on it, they're fine. So long as the girl's clothing doesn't make a guy go :eek: they're fine.
Right, when I went to school we didn't have any uniforms and anytime the school brought up the idea it was shot down since I lived in a industrial part of the city and at the time the economy was good and most studends had good paying industrial jobs before they even finnished high school. So if I had to wear a school uniform back then guess what that means I would have had to go home and change before I could go to work. so alot of the workers in my school wore their work clothes (minus gloves,coveralls,overalls,ect). That gave them a grunge look that many (including me) thought was cool.

Uniforms are stupid, how can anyone work or get dirty in them?


Our school day was extended half an hour as a result of almost two weeks of snow days. Students protested, but nobody listened. Now half the working students are fired from their after-school jobs. Way to go, school board.Bunch of beeps don't they know work is more important. If it would just skip the last part of school and keep my job but I had a good job.

[The Guitar Slayer]

Zorbrak, major bummer for you, my friend. Despite all my little problems with my private Catholic institution, it's a good place. I can't really sympathize with you, but I do understand how ridiculous this all is.

I attend a Catholic all-girls high school. My school day is from 7:30 AM to 3:05 PM. It's the longest schoolday in the area, but it is a college prep school; it gives you enough of a challenge to actually skip stuff in college. However, your school doesn't have any sort of justification; from your description, it barely fits into a "McDonald's prep school."

All of my classmates come from the inner city, myself being one of the suburban hell imports. White tee shirts are not necessarily gang affiliated, but if you are wearing it down to your knees, that is a sign to cops that you are involved in something. That may be some wannabe gangstas at work there, and they probably don't even realize what it could mean.

The three people rule is ridiculous. It blows my mind.

In regard to the whole uniform gig, I've worn one every school day for the last three years, and two years before that I had a dress code. My analyzation of it: NO BIG DEAL. I go to a school where the uniforms are practical and make sense. Next year, they may be changing over to something ugly and strange looking, but for me at the moment, it's nice.

I have white button down shirt, long or short sleeves. I have a grey pleated skirt or pants. I have a burgundy sweater or a wescott. I have burgundy knee socks or grey ankle socks. I have brown or black shoes. As long as my nails and hair don't look like something out of a horror film, it's okay. Saves me a lot of time in the morning and I don't have to look at my buddies and their stuff flopping all over the place. If they didn't have the school insignia on the sweater or wescott, I could easily go out into the real world and not be seen as a private school student.

I am the antichrist of fashion at my school. They dress "mad ghetto" and all, while I look like I just got shot out of a cannon in the 1960s. They have the sandblasted pants, the safety pin tops, the fake golden blonde/orange hair, and the Timberland boots. I got the embroidered shirts from India, straight leg jeans, and sandals/combat boots. I can deal with not having to wear "my" clothes everyday, and so can they, and we all can deal with it.

If you're so worried about looking the same, maybe it's because it's scary to you if you look different to the outside world with that sweater or vest on. My two cents.

[Psycho Fox]

In regard to the whole uniform gig, I've worn one every school day for the last three years, and two years before that I had a dress code. My analyzation of it: NO BIG DEAL. I go to a school where the uniforms are practical and make sense. Next year, they may be changing over to something ugly and strange looking, but for me at the moment, it's nice.

But you can't get dirty in it, can you? You can't fix a car in a school uniform or hike in the woods, have to even be careful riding a bike or your uniform could get dirty and school uniforms usally show dirt well.

School uniforms restrict what you can do. When I was in school alot of my freinds (including me) went from school to work, then home meaning they needed to be wear clothes they can get dirty becouse let me tell you in a industrial setting you are going to get dirty even with coveralls.

[Supreme]

So, you're saying that if you work at McDonald's, you'd want to wear your uniform all day at school?

That's why there's locker rooms, or even restrooms. Just one of the "hazards" of having a job while you're in school. And you usually have to change into gym clothes to play sports.

Bottom line: They're called SCHOOL uniforms for a reason. You wear them at school. You're not required to have them on 24/7.

[Psycho Fox]

So, you're saying that if you work at McDonald's, you'd want to wear your uniform all day at school?No but if you work at say a box factory you want to wear something that you can get dirty like jeans, t-shirts with maybe a denim overshirt since guess what when you work at such places you just slip on overalls or coveralls over you clothes BUT your street clothes will still get dirty since overall and coveralls just protect your clothes from stains and reduce dirt.


Bottom line: They're called SCHOOL uniforms for a reason. You wear them at school. You're not required to have them on 24/7.But you can't really do much while you are in them plus I worked for the railway when I was in highschool since my parents worked there meaning I hoped freight trains to and from school since it was legal for me to do so since I was authorised to be on such trains all I had to do was show my rail pass can you imagine me riding on a train with a school uniform the uniform would be completly dirty by the time I get to school. Plus with safty boots, hardhat, yellow safty vest and work gloves I needed to ride on freight trains I would have looked silly wearing a school uniform with all that stuff on.

[Supreme]

I think that you're talking about a completely different issue here. For the VAST majority of kids going to school, they're not going to factory jobs (coal mines, steel mills, or auto shops), so it wouldn't apply to them (ie. junior high and below). Like you said, the uniform idea was shot down because (in your area) the majority did not find such a policy conducive to many students' lifestyles.

Just as I said before (and what happened here) get the parents/adults involved. I'm sure that much of the reason that it was shot down was due to the influence of factories that didn't want their work force compromised.

[Bud 'n Lou]

Kids are vicious. Uniforms won't change that. If everyone is wearing the same clothes, they'll just find something else to pick on each other about. They already do. And I doubt uniforms would keep kids from finding out which kids are poor and which ones are rich, anyway. It wouldn't be that difficult for them to find out if they really wanted to.

[Psycho Fox]

I think that you're talking about a completely different issue here. For the VAST majority of kids going to school, they're not going to factory jobs (coal mines, steel mills, or auto shops), so it wouldn't apply to them (ie. junior high and below). Like you said, the uniform idea was shot down because (in your area) the majority did not find such a policy conducive to many students' lifestyles.But once you get a drivers licence you can get real jobs not just McDonald's but real work. That means that anywhere high school students could have a real job in a factory or something.

Just as I said before (and what happened here) get the parents/adults involved. I'm sure that much of the reason that it was shot down was due to the influence of factories that didn't want their work force compromised.Well other then work think about it that would mean the average kid would have to change for gym, change for lunch if they want to work on their car or do something that gets them dirty then change back to the uniform, change again for shop, change back to the uniform and then change one last time after school. The kid would be luging around 2 sets of clothes plus the one they are wearing.

Lot of hassle there compaired to just luging around gym clothes and changing for gym.

Uniforms takes freedom away no longer can kids just work on their car when they want in the school parking lot or venture into the woods or even play a sport after school (When I was in highschool alot of people played sports in their street clothes outside of gym)

Even working on a bike is dirty work.

I belive in form follows function and school uniforms has no function.

[Supreme]

Kids are vicious. Uniforms won't change that. If everyone is wearing the same clothes, they'll just find something else to pick on each other about. They already do. And I doubt uniforms would keep kids from finding out which kids are poor and which ones are rich, anyway. It wouldn't be that difficult for them to find out if they really wanted to.

WOW! Two cliches at once. By that logic, why get up in the morning, since we'll eventually die anyway? That's just a defeatist attitude.
Then there's the "they can find out anything! No one is safe!" argument.

If one problem can be fixed, then you can start working on the next one. You don't just give up because there are multiple problems.

But once you get a drivers licence you can get real jobs not just McDonald's but real work. That means that anywhere high school students could have a real job in a factory or something.

That's the problem. You're not thinking of McDonald's as a real job. You think of this factory job as the end-all and be-all. Maybe striving to get a job in a dirty factory shouldn't be a goal of students, nor a concern of the school.


Well other then work think about it that would mean the average kid would have to change for gym, change for lunch if they want to work on their car or do something that gets them dirty then change back to the uniform, change again for shop, change back to the uniform and then change one last time after school.

Basically, boo-hoo :( If you want to do stuff during school hours that doesn't involve school, that's your responsibility. Plus, how many kids are working on their car at all? You seem to be mistaking the majority with just yourself.


The kid would be luging around 2 sets of clothes plus the one they are wearing.

Lockers?


Uniforms takes freedom away no longer can kids just work on their car when they want in the school parking lot
Again, the school parking lot isn't your personal garage. Even the miniscule amount of kids working on their cars aren't (or shouldn't) be working on them every day. Regardless, you would still have the option of changing, since that is your choice to work on the car. How is your freedom lost?


or venture into the woods or even play a sport after school (When I was in highschool alot of people played sports in their street clothes outside of gym)

Unless you're wrestling with bears or burying a body :p , I don't see how you could get dirty in the woods. I have yet to see anyone wear their street clothes for after-school sports, school sponsored or otherwise. That's usually when you throw on "your" team jersey and other gear.

Even working on a bike is dirty work.

Again, not something that you do every day.


I belive in form follows function and school uniforms has no function.
Except
school pride
eliminating: "I have nothing to wear" mornings, teasing about brands, gang colors, fashion envy.

[RZetlin]

Uniforms takes freedom away no longer can kids just work on their car when they want in the school parking lot or venture into the woods or even play a sport after school (When I was in highschool alot of people played sports in their street clothes outside of gym)

Even working on a bike is dirty work.


If you're wearing the lastest expensive clothes to school why would you want to get them dirty when you work on the car, play sports or venture into the woods?

Again when you do these activities you usually have to change your clothes.

[Bud 'n Lou]

WOW! Two cliches at once. By that logic, why get up in the morning, since we'll eventually die anyway? That's just a defeatist attitude.
Then there's the "they can find out anything! No one is safe!" argument.

If one problem can be fixed, then you can start working on the next one. You don't just give up because there are multiple problems.
WOW! Kinda confrontational. Chill out.
Cliches have to come from somewhere. I've only been out of high school for a year, and in my time there, I've witnessed a lot of cruelty and abuse among the students. I doubt that the kids have gotten any more well-adjusted since then, or that the mean-spiritedness of all those kids is just some phenomenon happening only in my area of residence. Anyway, a common pro-uniform arguement is that uniforms reduce the amount of fighting. So I don't see how it's any less of a "cliche" when supporters rely on this popular line of reasoning than when I made my point earlier.
And I wasn't implying some kind of "conspiracy" when I said they could find out who is rich and who is not, and I really don't know how you came to that conclusion. All they need to do is observe. Most kids know at least some other students outside school. They could get an idea of one anothers' economic status by seeing what they wear on the street. They can tell by seeing what kind of car their parents pick them up in. They can tell just in casual conversation sometimes. Also, I never said that I had no hope for a solution to these problems, I was only saying that I don't think school uniforms are the solution. Honestly and truly, I do not see how this could possibly solve anything. I only see it as a way to make teenagers even crankier.

[Chris Sanders MSX]

Why don't you guys file a petition and have it sent to the school board in your state ? You can also contact news stations, they eat things like this up.

And you yourself Zorbrak why the heck haven't yo uattempted to transfer to a better a school ?

[Psycho Fox]

That's the problem. You're not thinking of McDonald's as a real job. You think of this factory job as the end-all and be-all. Maybe striving to get a job in a dirty factory shouldn't be a goal of students, nor a concern of the school.
No it is not the end all and be all but it is real money and there is a carrer path. In jobs like McDonald's there is no were to really go it is a dead end job. If a student can get real money why should they work at a crappy low paying dead end job? Lets see get crappy pay at McDonalds and it being useless on your resume or get a factory job and get real pay, more professional enviorment and a carrer path that usally is wide so even if say you are planning to go into IT a factory job could give you a foot in the door. Shouldn't schools be preparing students for life not impeding it?


Basically, boo-hoo :( If you want to do stuff during school hours that doesn't involve school, that's your responsibility. Plus, how many kids are working on their car at all? You seem to be mistaking the majority with just yourself.

Well back when I went to highschool there was a hand full that worked on their cars in the spaces next to the autoshop so they could borrow the school's tools.

Lockers?
I ment back and forth from school and home since you have to wash them.

Again, the school parking lot isn't your personal garage. Even the miniscule amount of kids working on their cars aren't (or shouldn't) be working on them every day. Regardless, you would still have the option of changing, since that is your choice to work on the car. How is your freedom lost?
Becouse you can't get dirty unless the school don't mind grungy uniforms with colours faded. Why should a student have to care about being dirty. What if the student doesn't care about their look guess what a uniform would change all that since unless the student can get it dirty and not care it would change their life style. Yet if they did then even I wouldn't mind just make the uniform grungy and hey you can give it you own look with stains and rips.

Unless you're wrestling with bears or burying a body :p , I don't see how you could get dirty in the woods.

If you walk on a path your at little risk of getting dirty but some time try fighting through brush and see if you are still clean.

I have yet to see anyone wear their street clothes for after-school sports, school sponsored or otherwise. That's usually when you throw on "your" team jersey and other gear. I ment unoffical after-school sports.

If you're wearing the lastest expensive clothes to school why would you want to get them dirty when you work on the car, play sports or venture into the woods?

Again when you do these activities you usually have to change your clothes.Never wore expensive clothes to school so I never changed clothes to work on cars in autoshop or any other activities other then gym that would get me dirty. So I got them dirty big deal wash them and didn't care if the colour faded or I got bleach spots where deep stains were.

[SilverKnight]

I'm no mod, so maybe this isn't my place, but we're getting kind of off topic with the school uniform debate. Shouldn't this be in a different thread?

Anyway, back on topic, have you done anything to curb these idiotic new rules, ZorBrak?

[Supreme]

Not really off-topic, but rather a sub-topic. We are talking about what school policies may be acceptable.


My final word on this "debate":

Well back when I went to highschool there was a hand full that worked on their cars in the spaces next to the autoshop so they could borrow the school's tools.

Becouse you can't get dirty unless the school don't mind grungy uniforms with colours faded. Why should a student have to care about being dirty. What if the student doesn't care about their look guess what a uniform would change all that since unless the student can get it dirty and not care it would change their life style. Yet if they did then even I wouldn't mind just make the uniform grungy and hey you can give it you own look with stains and rips.


If you are living that far in your own little world, then you should just drop out of school.
I apologize in advance if this offends you, but society abhors dirty, smelly people. The fact that you can afford multiple outfits or can change into "work" clothes, but choose not to, is even more abhorrent. Fortunately for Zorbrak, he (hopefully) doesn't have someone on his side making the arguments that you have made. They would only hurt his cause. Saying that uniforms are a bad idea because students would rather spend the day being filthy is absolutely insane (psycho?).

Damn, what a retarded redneck! Do you even think about what you are going to write?! Actually, saying that you're retarded is giving you too much credit. Go back to living in your shed and being married to a goat, and let the sane, clean people here continue with our intelligent conversations.


Additionally, here is my standard quote for debates:

Please use a spell checker. There is nothing that destroys your credibility more than when half the words in your posts are misspelled, or just plain wrong. I won't be a grammar nazi and pick apart your posts, so just proofread, okay? It adds much more weight to your argument when it presented intelligently.

[Psycho Fox]

If you are living that far in your own little world, then you should just drop out of school.
Uhhh I'm out of school, I'm 22 years old. I already graduated from college, I was talking when I was in school.

I apologize in advance if this offends you, but society abhors dirty, smelly people. Yes but what does that have to do with clean nice smelling clothes that look grungy due to age? Are you saying society hates factory workers since their clothes don't look nice?

The fact that you can afford multiple outfits or can change into "work" clothes, but choose not to, is even more abhorrent. Fortunately for Zorbrak, he (hopefully) doesn't have someone on his side making the arguments that you have made. They would only hurt his cause. Saying that uniforms are a bad idea because students would rather spend the day being filthy is absolutely insane (psycho?).
I've seen school uniforms they are not any where near as durable as work clothes. They can't stand heavy washing to get tough stains out.

That is the problem there, I still rather wear work clothes since clean work clothes still look nice, are not that expensive and ages well even with regular heavy washing. Nobody cares if I am in clean jeans (take a look at how many people wear jeans close to everyday) and few care if later in the day the jeans look a bit dirty (and they will only look a bit dirty since jeans hide dirt well)

I just make sure my clothes start off clean in the beginning of the day and not to worry too much of if they get dirty during the day since come next day they'll be washed. So unless I have to wear a suit or look nice for something getting dirty doesn't scare me. It is just dirt.