Reviews: "Trigun" - Week Five [4/29 - 5/2]

[livingfruitvirus]

This week Trigun begins the downhill action. Let's just say, you can't miss the rest of the series from here on. And if you haven't gotten into it by now, well, just give up hope. Or try again on round 2.

This week we find out more about Vash's past, more Gung Ho Guns, Millie and Meryl are taken hostage, and we get to see Vash's former home.

WHAT'S ON YOU ASK?!

4/29 - "Rem Saverem" [17]
4/30 - "Goodbye For Now" [18]
5/1 - "Hang Fire" [19]
5/2 - "Flying Ship" [20]

[Spike Mcdougal]

I can tell you that tonight's ep is in my opinion one of the two saddest episodes in the series

EDIT:They left in the breast grabbing

[Moof]

I've had trouble following the series thus far. Hopefully i'll be able to grasp the meeing of it now

[Nabuca]

Wow, they actually kept the "boob grab" in, I was expecting another hypocritical edit. Anyway, Rem Saverem is an A+ episode, I love this episode.

[David Lucas]

Wow, they actually kept the "boob grab" in, I was expecting another hypocritical edit. Anyway, Rem Saverem is an A+ episode, I love this episode.

I'm as impressed as you are, but then again, they left in when Peter grabbed Gloria Ironboxes's breast in Family Guy, so it's not that big of a shocker.

As for tonight's episode....well I'll just wait till it's over. I like Knives's child voice though. The whole crew seems to be pretty well acted.

EDIT: Holy Tap Dancing Christ!! Is that David Lucas?

[Spike Mcdougal]

"It's sticking up."

The origin of the hair :)

[Spike Mcdougal]

And they kept the rape line

[MrBananagrabber]

I have to say, this is my favorite episode of Trigun. I remember watching it the first time it came out on DVD with my best friend. It's such a change from the normal flow of the TV series, I wasn't expecting it at all.

As for edits...I'm glad that nothing's been cut out of it. The only things I thought would be cut, dialog wise, from the entire show are the words "****" and "rape", and I'm surpised they left rape in. I realize this is ADULT swim, but the fact that they cut some shots of guns in peoples faces and blood wouldn't lead me to believe something as mature as rape could be mentioned.

It's great to see how talented Millie's VA is, I'm sure she's playing Rem as well. Does anyone know what her name is, and who plays Young Vash? Joshua Seth does great as Young Knives.

In a way, I like the backstory of this more than the current parts with the Gung Ho Guns. But now, the story starts to REALLY pick up. ^^

[RedBoot]

Wow, I don't think they cut anything out of this ep...all the objectional stuff I remember was left in...

Anyway, I've seen this ep three or four times now, but Knives still creeps me out...

[sl4]

Wow, I was really surprised that they kept the rape line in.

Great episode, shows a lot about Vash's past and explains who Rem is. :)

[Menion420]

Wow, Very interesting episode. It showed a good portion of Vash's past, and finally answered some questions i had been wondering about. Knives.... What a little bastard, for some reason he makes legato look like a saint.. The little bastage was corrupt from the get go of his childhood heh. Hope the series keeps up the good work. I just wish they woulda made the first 4 or so episodes as entertaining as these last few have been.

[Hades]

i was somewhat sleepy and the last thing i expected to see was a boob grab. great episode. i like Rem, i hope we'll see more of her in flashbacks. Knives...creeps me out.

[Rikou]

Yowza, that was an interesting episode. Scary little Knives was pretty creepy.

[zmanjz]

Anyway, I've seen this ep three or four times now, but Knives still creeps me out...

I agree, For me, he is the most sinister of all the characters. Where legato is Evil and proud of it, Knives is twisted. He believes that he is right and that... whoops spoiler... (Heh heh heh)

This is one of the most important episodes in the series because it actually answers many of the questions floating around.

What else to say?...

This is an important episode, but Tomorrow's one of my favorites. (Goodbye for now)

[Aurochs]

I'm not surprised at all. What's so bad about the words "*****" and "rape"? I mean, they've said ***** on Adult Swim before, on Trigun even. And the "rape" line was crucial to the plot, and it was a serious line. It wasn't at all explicit, and it's not like if Peter Griffon made a joke about rape. And the breast grab didn't surprise me at all. They kept in Bill Clinton grabbing Hillary Clinton's breasts on Family Guy. You people are just paranoid.

A sappy episode at times, but enjoyable at others. A-.

[livingfruitvirus]

As for edits...I'm glad that nothing's been cut out of it. The only things I thought would be cut, dialog wise, from the entire show are the words "****" and "rape"

clue me in on the first 4-letter word.

[MrBananagrabber]

clue me in on the first 4-letter word.

Sh_t. ^^; sorry it's nothing terribly exciting.

[DianaGohan]

Knives and Vash's Past all here in the Trigun Episode Review of "Rem Saverm".

In a semi related note, the voice of young Knives is done by Joshua Seth, whose done Tai on Digimon, Spencer on Toyko Pig, and of course the main character of the former ASA show Pilot Canidate. I'm not sure who young Vash is done by, but both do a fine job of acting in this dramatic and flashback of the past episode. It was intresting to see that the brothers started out joining a project that was designed to help save the human race after earth was destroyed, and now we have even more proof that Vash and Knives aren't human, but rather something else, something that can be called monster and act with such kindness all at the same time. And a lot of intresting philoshpy hear to, espically the analogy of the spider and butterfly to how Vash and Knifves act. Despite the lack of action, there was a good amount of emotion and revelations, but yet again I still have more questions about the series. A

[Sheamon]

Easily my favorite episode of the series thus far cause I've prefered from the start the more serious parts of the show, which unfortunately have been rather drowned out thus far. Tonight's episode was a welcome surprise, hope they have another episode or two like this before the show is over.


It's great to see how talented Millie's VA is, I'm sure she's playing Rem as well. Does anyone know what her name is,

Yep, Lia Sargent is very talented, one of the best in the business. A good director too. Rem is done by Bridget Hoffman, who I think is even better though, she's probably my favorite of the LA voice actors. She also did Lain in Serial Experiments Lain, KOS-MOS in Xenosaga, Mima in Perfect Blue, etc...

[Nabuca]

More on this episode..
I love the symbolism in this episode, along with the introductions to the Vash/Knives philosophy conflict. Here you have the origin of Knives' ultra extremist philosophy. Kill the spiders to save the butterflies, or in other words, exterminate the parasitic human race to save this world from becoming another Earth. As a plant, Knives sees himself as a part of the nature that humans will eventually wipe out. Knives is also subconciously terrifed of the human race because of how he is outnumbered, not only by the crew but eventually the pilgrams from Project Seeds "do you think I will be eaten someday?"
God, there are so many awesome episodes to come, this is the perfect episode to wet a newcomers appetite and get them ready for the final episodes

[Aurochs]

clue me in on the first 4-letter word.

"b!tch", as in "that b!tch actually managed to do it."

[skite]

One of my favorite episodes i wasnt sure they would leave the boob grap in but they did i liked this episode in japanese and i still like it now
A+

anyone know where i can find a pic of when knives has is psyco face on when he's in red backround?

[livingfruitvirus]

Sh_t. ^^; sorry it's nothing terribly exciting.

oh. heh. i was wondering because i didnt recall any bad 4 letter words in the dub.

"b!tch", as in "that b!tch actually managed to do it."

i said 4 letters :p

[Vekou]

One of the best episodes of the series, by far. I love this episode.

Chibi Vash and Knives are sooooo kyoooooooooot! *gets weird looks*

[Vekou]

How could I forget? In tomorrow's episode, Vash gets naked (for a few seconds). I wonder how they'll edit that? WS has strange policies for nudity...

[Zero Angel]

Yep, Lia Sargent is very talented, one of the best in the business. A good director too. Rem is done by Bridget Hoffman, who I think is even better though, she's probably my favorite of the LA voice actors. She also did Lain in Serial Experiments Lain, KOS-MOS in Xenosaga, Mima in Perfect Blue, etc...


hmmm...Lain, Mima, and Rem's voice was done by an actress by the name of Ruby Marlowe. Now this may be one of her screen names (all that crap with the voice actors guild) but as for any and all voice listings i have seen before that is her name. As for KOS-MOS, i dont know, i would have to watch the ending credits again, but if so, then that voice was completly different then any of the others that i have heard.

And yes Lia Sargent is a great VA, very recognizable as well.

[ClockStomper]

I've always felt this show and the first third of Kenshin suffered from poor scripting and voice direction. Something has always seemed "off" about both shows, which is ironic because both shows are similar in some ways (specifically humor.)

That said, Rem Saverem is a good episode, I love the backstory for Planet Gunsmoke and the beginings of Vash/Knives backstory. Joshua Seth is awesome as Knives (too bad he never got the part of Wen in Cowboy Bebop, he would have been better than Mona Marshall.) But I do have to say, some weaker dialouge brought it down. In an episode with an irregular pace, the performances have to help carry the story, and other then Rem and the brothers, everyone was passable or generic.

But don't let my nitpiking give you the wrong impression, this is one of the better episodes.

[Umino]

How could I forget? In tomorrow's episode, Vash gets naked (for a few seconds). I wonder how they'll edit that? WS has strange policies for nudity...


Please don't think I'm in to seeing "stuff" like that, but is it humorous like when Mille/Meryl see Vash shirt-less, and he makes that face, or is it "serious"

Ex) Nudity in EoE

I'm wondering because if it's a "funny" scene they probemly will leave it in.

[Artemis]

Mackenzie finds it funny when Chibi-Knives says "Damn straight I'm not human!*, but what about his "that b!tch actually managed to do it!"? Hearing Tai's voice says these types of things sure is funny. ^_^

I actually didn't worry about them leaving in the "boob grope" and "rape" line. Or at least expected them to leave in the "rape" line, since it is integral to the plot.


*=Put the line in spoilers because I found out some people are nitpicky enough that small lines are even considered spoiler. :P

[Mackenzie Rainelle]

Mackenzie finds it funny when Chibi-Knives says "Damn straight I'm not human!*, but what about his "that b!tch actually managed to do it!"? Hearing Tai's voice says these types of things sure is funny. ^_^


Yeah, but Damn straight I'm not human! is funnier because he's practically screaming it. :p

That said, you can't call Knives particularly "evil" at that point in childhood. While Vash stuck with Rem, and was therefore pretty much sheltered, Knives had the misfortune of viewing some of the worst of humanity. Sorta the whole "abuse a child and they'll grow up to be abusive thing." Knives, by his reasoning, has a "kill or be killed" idea at this point. He knows exactly how the people on the SEEDS ship feel about him and Vash, and that if Rem hadn't been there, they'd be dead. So he hates the people on the ship, and humankind in general.

I dunno if that's spoilering or not, since I'm basically just trying to figure out the rather warped logic inside chibi-Knives' head for that episode.

[Sheamon]

hmmm...Lain, Mima, and Rem's voice was done by an actress by the name of Ruby Marlowe. Now this may be one of her screen names (all that crap with the voice actors guild) but as for any and all voice listings i have seen before that is her name. As for KOS-MOS, i dont know, i would have to watch the ending credits again, but if so, then that voice was completly different then any of the others that i have heard.


Thats one of her aliases. Even though she's arguably the best of the LA actresses, few frustrate me more considering she has not one alias, not two aliases, but around a half dozen. Heck, she's credited as both Bridget Hoffman and Ruby Marlowe in the Trigun credits depending on what episode you're watching -_- Back before the Love Hina dub came out I predicted her to be Shinobu since it was done in LA, and was rather dissappointed when it came out and saw some name I had never seen before doing her. Of course as soon as I Shinobu speak in english yet another completely random alias was revealed again @_@

And yes, she's definately KOS-MOS, doing a great job playing a role that she usually isn't casted in. She's used mostly for little girls, like Lain, Shinobu in Love Hina or Dorothy in Gundam 0080, or generally nice and innocent women like Mima or Rem rather than the strong, tough character KOS-MOS is.

[Andy Mancini]

That episode did in twenty-two minutes what "Episode II" couldn't do in two and a half hours. Where "Episode II" let a love story and political intrigue overshadow the main point of the movie (Anakin's decent to the darkside), Trigun did the one thing and did it the whole time, with some really nice symbolism to boot (the spider/butterfly thing, Rem's "Jesus Christ pose" to stop the one guy who's name escapes me at the moment from shooting Knives, etc),

[StrangerAtaru]

For some reason, with all the backstory and the general introduction to the creepyness that is Knives, I just could not stop laughing hearing "Tai" coming out of Young Knives! I know he is a serious VA now, and he did the part really well, but I guess that is what makes it even more ironic. (I guess that with as much slack as many give the Digimon dub, especially the first one and four-fifths seasons, it really did have some of the better voices in the industry) Meanwhile, I just can not stand Rem's voice. Ever since "BDN", when they first showed a scene with her, I thought it didn't really work. Sure it wasn't that bad last night, but I never really liked it. As for the plot, well, considering how brutal humanity was treating itself on "Project Seeds", its no wonder Knives became really warped. Although I never understood that one part before "the trial" where we see Knives going into two of those rooms...(it's like Knives goes into the room for one of those guys, then into that woman's room, then cut to the trial and its after-effects.) But it definately sets up what comes next....

Kuroneko Watch: Actually I finally found this one for the first time! In the scene where Rem and Vash are looking at the cryogenic chamber for Project Seeds, look at the woman in the chamber on the far right: she is holding a Kuroneko. Must be the first one on the planet....

[AVianes]

Knives is one crazy mo fo as a boy, I can't wait to see him all grown up. Also do they ever show what exactly happens in July I noticed that Vash had two guns when he was standing outside the city.

[Aurochs]

As a first time watcher of this show, I'm hypothesizing that everyone inside that SEED ship where cripplingly psychotic, including Rem, Vash, and Knives. Don't spoil anything, that was just my impression.

[Jaguar]

Knives=psycho. That episode was just weird. I had nearly fallen off of my bed by the time it ended.

[Sora Takenouchi]

How come nobody has mentioned that we now know Vash is over 100 yrs old? :)

[Jaguar]

We now know that Vash is over 100 years old.
Better now? :)

[Wervyn]

130 something years, to be precise (while using generalizers like "something" no less). One year alive on SEEDS, plus 107 from then to July, plus twenty-three since July, then plus however many years pass from Fifth Moon until story starts up again (in the manga it's two, in the anime it's never actually said, but it's at least six months).

As for whoever asked about the full story behind July: hooray for you, we get to see that, or at least most of it, at the beginning of the next episode.

And speaking of the next episode:
How could I forget? In tomorrow's episode, Vash gets naked (for a few seconds). I wonder how they'll edit that? WS has strange policies for nudity...
...Vekou, you idiot, there's absolutely no way any of this will be edited out. Not only do we not get to see ANYTHING naughty, but it's semi-important to the plot, or at least the flow of the episode. If we weren't immediately aware that Eriks was Vash from the moment he opened his mouth, we're certainly clued in now. Then again, Wolfwood punches him in the face a few minutes later ("he needed it!") and the whole thing comes out then. But still, no, I don't think there's any chance of this being cut.

"If you had to choose between your life and your pride, what do you think you'd do?"

[Amano Ginji]

I do have a question though.
When the guy opened the airlock so he wouldn't shoot Rem, how come Rem didn't fly out with him?

[Arde]

When I saw how Knives drive the crew of the ship to the brink of insanity, I somehow thought that Knives was a younger version of Legato since somehow Knives is also able to control people's mind and actions...

When I scrutinize the ep, I can see how that rape-guy can actually get convicted of something he didn't do or at least something his mind didn't do...
Remember when Knives entered the raped-girl's bedroom? While the audience may see Knives entering the room, it is actually the rape-guy himself entering the room controlled by Knives.
The same goes with Joey, the captain, while Knives did kill him, Knives didn't pull the trigger as many of the audience thought, it was the captain himself who blew his own head out as we see in the shot where the captain held the gun. Again, same reasoning here...

Back to the topic, while Knives is particularly evil, his logic still makes sense... For example, the analogy of the butterfly and the spider: if there are only two organisms, the butterfly and the spider, and the spider has to eat the butterfly to survive, then to save the butterfly, the spider must die. Logical, eh?
To save himself and Vash from the rape-guy, the fastest and easiest way possible was to get rid of him permanently.

As to why he didn't care about humanity, the whole bit of humanity destroying themselves and then finding means of survival comes to mind, not to mention human's way of thought aren't logical to Knives at times.
For Knives it was quite simple, why bother finding ways to save these humans so they could destroy each other once again and then try to save themselves over and over, why even bother with humanity if that's all humanity is going to do?

PS:This kind of thing reminds of the villain of Seven (movie with Morgan Freeman, Brad Pitt, Kevin Spacey).
He thinks he is humanity's martyr and hope by giving humanity the signs of their worst sins through brutal murders.
And the last line given by Morgan might be somehow Vash's principle:
"Ernest Hemingway once wrote, "The world is a fine place and worth fighting for." I agree with the second part."

[lostrune]

Quote:
It's great to see how talented Millie's VA is, I'm sure she's playing Rem as well. Does anyone know what her name is,

Yep, Lia Sargent is very talented, one of the best in the business. A good director too. Rem is done by Bridget Hoffman, who I think is even better though, she's probably my favorite of the LA voice actors. She also did Lain in Serial Experiments Lain, KOS-MOS in Xenosaga, Mima in Perfect Blue, etc...

I think Lia Sargent played Meryl; Dorothy Melendrez played Millie.

I think Bridget Hoffman/Ruby Marlowe/etc. also played Belldandy (in the AMG movie) and the manager in Chobits, both of which are as innocently goody-2-shoes as Rem, so she has experience with such roles. (And wasn't she also a monster queen in live-action Xena? She must be pretty old by now.)

[lostrune]

I do have a question though.
When the guy opened the airlock so he wouldn't shoot Rem, how come Rem didn't fly out with him?

Several horizontal bars sprouted out at the door to block Rem's flyout.

[lostrune]

Although I never understood that one part before "the trial" where we see Knives going into two of those rooms...(it's like Knives goes into the room for one of those guys, then into that woman's room, then cut to the trial and its after-effects.) But it definately sets up what comes next....

Yeah IIRC, it was just a setup to get rid of the guy.

[raykremer]

Well, hope that cleared up a few things for people. Now things really kick into high gear.

Next episode: Vash the Stampede no more.

[Amano Ginji]

Several horizontal bars sprouted out at the door to block Rem's flyout.

Oh, right. I remember now.

[Artemis]

I think Lia Sargent played Meryl; Dorothy Melendrez played Millie.




Switch the VAs around, buddy.

[Michael]

it was a good epsiode, one of my favs. First time i saw it i though that knives was psycho, but you have to remember taht he was beat by that crew memeber and saw/expierenced a lot of things vash didnt. If you were beaten up and a different race, i bet you would hold some sort of grudge. What he did was wrong, but understandable...

[Chuquita]

Vash is an ALIEN now? *mind-boggled* And over 130 years old too. Wow....

To tell the truth, when the first showed chibi Vash and chibi Knives (before either said anything) I thought they were twin girls who were crewmembers O_o

Heh-heh, what I liked is how now that we know who Rem is that you can go back to when Vash is thinking about her and it makes more sense. (He thought of her has is girlfriend :p in that one ep. when he said to the girl she looked like his dead girlfriend)

Where is Knives now? Do we see him again?

I like the interesting "evil twin" thing; normally in a show that'd be overdone, but I liked this one.

Will that thingy be cut tonight? *she thinks hard* ....I have no idea :D
Guess we'll just have to wait-and-see then!

Til tommorow! :)

[Dark]

So now we know the backstory. Rem is a mother figure, not a love interest. Shesh, at this rate I'm going to run out of grades high enough for the episodes... and thats not a bad thing. I liked the story behind the two's hair, I knew there must be something behind Vash's do. But now the question is, how does Knives relate to Legato? I may have to stop reading these threads, the urge to read spoilers and whatnot is way too big. Grade: a solid A+

Edit: Also, I suppose the name Rem Saverem is just a tad ironic, huh?

[livingfruitvirus]

Vash is an ALIEN now? *mind-boggled* And over 130 years old too. Wow....

you COULD say that. they all came from Earth to populate a new planet.

[ClockStomper]

Vash is an ALIEN now? *mind-boggled* And over 130 years old too. Wow....

To tell the truth, when the first showed chibi Vash and chibi Knives (before either said anything) I thought they were twin girls who were crewmembers O_o

Heh-heh, what I liked is how now that we know who Rem is that you can go back to when Vash is thinking about her and it makes more sense. (He thought of her has is girlfriend :p in that one ep. when he said to the girl she looked like his dead girlfriend)

Where is Knives now? Do we see him again?

I like the interesting "evil twin" thing; normally in a show that'd be overdone, but I liked this one.

Til tommorow! :)

What's interesting about the evil twin thing is Vash just as easily could have become like Knives if he was the one who recieved the beatings. It tainted Knives perspective, Vash only turned out the way he did because of his closeness with Rem. It's an interesting commentary on nature versus nurture. They were both geneticly the same but the horible experiences Knives had changed him, even though he and Vash got the same teachings, their perspectives were different.

Surprising depth for a show that was doing stupid slap stick jokes a few weeks ago.

[SNS]

At first I didn't understand Knife's actions but after reading this thread it makes sense. Good episode. A+

[Solitude1]

Wow, I had a feeling Vash wasn't normal but, an alien....didn't see that coming.

Knives is one evil lil' bastard. The way he usese his mind, he must be Legato or at least connected to him in my opinion.

I hate to say this but, I did not feel sorry for the guy who was accused of rape. I didn't believe he had to die but, he had it coming to him. Never mess with psychotic kids who look like Hanson :p .

Anyway good ep, can't wait for tonight. Wonder what Vash will do....

[RedBoot]

When I scrutinize the ep, I can see how that rape-guy can actually get convicted of something he didn't do or at least something his mind didn't do...
Remember when Knives entered the raped-girl's bedroom? While the audience may see Knives entering the room, it is actually the rape-guy himself entering the room controlled by Knives.
The same goes with Joey, the captain, while Knives did kill him, Knives didn't pull the trigger as many of the audience thought, it was the captain himself who blew his own head out as we see in the shot where the captain held the gun. Again, same reasoning here...

Just to clear all this up:

No rape took place. Y'see, Knives hated Steve (drunk guy) for obvious reasons. Mary disliked Steve because he was a jerk and did things such as grabbing her breasts :p. Rowan (glasses guy) hated Steve because of how he treated Mary.

So, seeing as how Steve was hopelessly drunk at the time, Knives decided it was a good chance to get rid of him. The scenes of him going into Rowan and Mary's rooms was to show that he was helping them set a trap for Steve. Mary would claim that Steve raped her, and due to his drunkeness and general attitude, everyone would believe her. Rowan would claim he saw Steve enter her room just to verify it. And since Steve kinda seems like the type who would rape someone and lie about it, no one would believe him (other than Rem, since she is the type who would give anyone a chance to explain themselves). After Steve was frozen, Rowan went in and adjusted his pod so that he wouldn't wake up (this was possibly his own idea, since he wanted Mary himself, but Knives may have also told him to do this). So, basically, poor Steve was set up.

Knives did kill the captain as well...I assume he put the gun into the captain's hands so that if Vash or Rem were to see him, they would assume it was a suicide.

[AlphaPrime]

Thats one of her aliases. Even though she's arguably the best of the LA actresses, few frustrate me more considering she has not one alias, not two aliases, but around a half dozen. Heck, she's credited as both Bridget Hoffman and Ruby Marlowe in the Trigun credits depending on what episode you're watching -_- Back before the Love Hina dub came out I predicted her to be Shinobu since it was done in LA, and was rather dissappointed when it came out and saw some name I had never seen before doing her. Of course as soon as I Shinobu speak in english yet another completely random alias was revealed again @_@

And yes, she's definately KOS-MOS, doing a great job playing a role that she usually isn't casted in. She's used mostly for little girls, like Lain, Shinobu in Love Hina or Dorothy in Gundam 0080, or generally nice and innocent women like Mima or Rem rather than the strong, tough character KOS-MOS is.

Pretty sure she's also Jeri from Digimon Season 3 :p thats where i first heard her, then Lain and now Trigun.

[SirLemming]

Of all the episodes I could've missed... FRIGGIN' VCR!!!!! Sure, they had a clip show last Monday, but NO, you had to miss THIS one...

[StrangerAtaru]

Thanks for clearing that up. So basically by Knives opening the doors of the two rooms at just the right timing, he was able to manipulate it so that Mary and Rowan's hatreds of Steve (as well as his own) would lead to his freezing/elimination. I never quite understood that before since we see Knives open the two doors, then cut to the whole trial/freezing of Steve, not to mention everything that happens next.

[Patches]

What's interesting about the evil twin thing is Vash just as easily could have become like Knives if he was the one who recieved the beatings. It tainted Knives perspective, Vash only turned out the way he did because of his closeness with Rem. It's an interesting commentary on nature versus nurture. They were both geneticly the same but the horible experiences Knives had changed him, even though he and Vash got the same teachings, their perspectives were different.It's also interesting that this is only what could have happened, as the "backstory" segment of the Trigun manga didn't come out until after the TV series was already finished ^_^*. So, even though this episode explained things quite tidily, it was also completely made up for the anime.

I haven't been keeping up with the latest releases of Trigun Maximum, but last I knew, even the manga's backstory isn't quite complete yet. However,Vash and Knives are not terribly dissimilar in the manga, and Knives actually comes across as the nicer of the two, mainly because he's more subdued. Basically, Vash is just a constant outpouring of emotion, while Knives keeps it all bottled up. This becomes a problem when the two inadvertantly stumble upon... something that they shouldn't have, and get understandably freaked out by it. Of all people, Vash attacks Rem afterwards, while Knives basically goes catatonic for a while. Once he's vented, Vash thinks better of his actions, patches Rem up, and requests an explanation, while Knives pretty much remains dead to the world. It's not really clear what happens after this, but it's an alternate explanation as to the differences between the two boys.

[zmanjz]

Oooooh I love this episode!!!

[David Lucas]

Holy crap! Johnny did a PHENOMENAL job with that opening sequence. He's really getting better as the show progresses, just like any VA. I now can finally say without any doubt what's been said all along.

Johnny Yong Bosch IS Vash the Stampede.

I've loved that god damn music ever since that scene with Vash pouring the liqour in Episode 6.....It's so peaceful.

Today's episode was never anything special with the exception of that opening. But it really makes you feel for Lina, she really grew to love that guy, and now he just leaves......this show really shows you, as Legato would say, "The pain of living..."

On a side note, tomorrow has my favorite scene in the entire series. It just doesn't get any funnier than it, I just hope they handle it right. I won't say a thing about it though, it's just too funny to spoil.

[Naraku]

Man, I love Trigun's music. The tune when Vash was saying goodbye to Lina was great.

[Perfect Cell]

Todays episode was good. a Sentimental story i guess.. but the real thing... Tomorow! My favorite Trigun episode, the episode that made me into a Trigun fan :) I still laugh soo much when i see it, so i cant wait to see it again.... Its the song man... the song ;)

[Amano Ginji]

Goodbye For Now
A nice sentimental episode. I thought it was great how "Eriks" and the girl got along. I really feel sorry for her, now that Vash is leaving.
I would have liked to see more of Wolfwood's Cross-Punisher.
Those scars still freak me out, and now...so does Knives. Knives is one sick twisted person........

I hope tomorrow's is as good as yall say it is.

^_^x

A

[DianaGohan]

Vash the Stampede, or is it Erics? Anyway, he's the star of the Trigun Episode Review "Goodbye For Now" so get you're ass over here and start talking. Oh wait, that's my job.

Not that great of an episode. The definite moments were the Knives and Vash prologue (I'm guessing this is how he got Vash to destroy July over 100 years ago). The stuff with Lena was okay, and Wolfwood is always good to see, but I think Vash was a lot happier living in peace then us who have to see him live in peace. Oh well, I hope tommorow's is as good as people say it will be. B

[zmanjz]

I know... I'm too sentimental.

(At least I don't sit around crying into my doughnuts...(I cry into my pizzas instead. :D )

I loved this episode. I guess it appeals to the hero-worshiper in me ;)

The good ol' Re-awakening of a retired hero. A classic plot idea. It's too bad that they didn't build the suspense by devoting a few episodes to Wolfwood's search for Vash.

Anyway, I can't wait for tomorow's episode. I love all the music in tomorow's episode.

Actually. I love the music throughout the series.

(Now if I could only find an english copy of "Sound Life" or "total slaughter" . I would be so happy. Maybe they'll get released sometime soon.)

[Meson]

Great episode. Good to see Vash trying to have a life. THe monologues are one of this shows great wonders :)

[David Lucas]

I feel I should mention this as several people are saying they hope tomorrows episode is as good as we say.

While it's already been hinted at, I'll still keep it a suprise, but tomorrows episode isn't as great as you're expecting. I feel I should just explain the matter so you don't get your hopes up.

The reason I'm looking forward to it, and several others, is because of a short bit that you'll definitely recognize when you see/hear it. I'll leave it at that, I just don't want you all expecting another "Fifth Moon".

[skite]

Good episode but not the best but i guess ill give it an A- since i like trigun:D

edit note: i didnt expect them to edit the puddle of blood when it showed the dead guy knives killed i didnt think they would edit it because i saw there wasnt much editing with yesterdays rape one still in

[Wervyn]

It's my personal opinion that the English version of Sound Life (a.k.a Rem's Song, and I can't imagine that's a spoiler anymore) falls rather flat. The meter and the lyrics don't sound like a song, they sound like a blunt translation, and it's my feeling that if you can't translate a song well, then you should just leave it untranslated.
Which is not to say that songs can't be translated well. The particular "song" in tomorrow's episode that everyone's clamoring about, for example, is executed nothing short of perfectly. But on the other OTHER hand, it's not like it's a hard thing to translate, as short as it is.
That song, by the way, is not available on the CDs in Japanese, much less English, but I suppose you could always just sample it from the show... And while I'm not too keen on hearing an actual English rendition of Sound Life, I would be interested in finding translations for the rest of the verses, all eight (!) of them. Someone want to hook me up?

"The single worst choice you can make is to make no choice at all. While you hesitate, the opportunity to act is lost."

[Kesh]

Unfortunately, Knives went from "creepy, disturbing psycho" as a boy, to "weirdo nutjob muderer villain" 100 years later. I think I liked the kid better. He at least could keep his temper. ;)

Nice side story to explain what brought Vash back to his hunt after nearly giving up for good. And another fun glimpse at the Cross Punisher. Geeze, how many guns does that thing hold?!

But my biggest question is... will Vash get that cool red trenchcoat back or what? :cool:

[StrangerAtaru]

Well, Vash does get a new "cloak" eventually, but not just yet.

Yesterday was a somewhat sentimental episode, but considering that the episode comes after "Fifth Moon" and "Rem Saverem", it just doesn't measure up as much. The intro pretty much completes the tale from the previous episode and reveals some more about the situation between the brothers. But then, we get the whole "Wolfwood trying to find Vash" bit leading to "Eriks". There is a bit of emotion here involving him and Lina, but I guess it never really got to me as much as it should have, although it was touching that she was the one who took care of him and gave him a new life when he was trying to leave everything he had been through behind.

BTW: Personally, while everyone is waiting for something tonight, I am actually waiting for another classic moment coming up....either tonight or tomorrow. (and if you know what I have been keeping track of, you should know by now)

Kuroneko Watch: During the "haircut" scene at the end, Lina's mother has one on her lap, petting it.

[Nabuca]

Goodbye For Now is a great personal episode, I love the relationship between Vash and Lena. My favorite scene in this episode is the shot of Vash and Wolfwood walking towards the bandits hideout, its the stuff legends are made of, heh.

As for the next episode Hang Fire, it is a good episode in its own right but it really doesnt do much to further the plot. I remember when I was buying the series as each DVD came out, DVD 6 ended with this episode, and it just made the wait for DVD 7 that much longer.

Its almost time for the final seven episodes, seven awesome episodes in the row, not to mention that the animation quality goes up ten-fold in the final four episodes.

[Nabuca]

It's my personal opinion that the English version of Sound Life (a.k.a Rem's Song, and I can't imagine that's a spoiler anymore) falls rather flat. The meter and the lyrics don't sound like a song, they sound like a blunt translation, and it's my feeling that if you can't translate a song well, then you should just leave it untranslated.
Which is not to say that songs can't be translated well. The particular "song" in tomorrow's episode that everyone's clamoring about, for example, is executed nothing short of perfectly. But on the other OTHER hand, it's not like it's a hard thing to translate, as short as it is.
That song, by the way, is not available on the CDs in Japanese, much less English, but I suppose you could always just sample it from the show... And while I'm not too keen on hearing an actual English rendition of Sound Life, I would be interested in finding translations for the rest of the verses, all eight (!) of them. Someone want to hook me up?

I only own the English released Trigun soundtrack by Tokyo Pop, I picked it up from Sam Goody about a year ago. Its a great CD, even if it only has half of the soundtrack, I was surprised that it didnt have Sound Life. Here is the track list if anyone is interested, any fan of Trigun and/or someone looking for some original music should check it out.
1. H.T - The Opening Theme Extended
2. No Beat - The "enter Gung-Ho Guns" music.
3. Big Bluff
4. Unhappy Song - Insane rock/mix song. I remember hearing bits and pieces of it in the show, but not all of it.
5. Philosophy In A Tea Cup - A nice soothing bgm song, used in many of the lighter moments of Trigun.
6. Cynical Pink - Theme from when Vash and Wolfwood go after the little girl in Murder Machine.
7 Nerve Rack - Action music, most notably from the "Gung Ho Guns" flashback in the last episode.
8. Zero Hour - My favorite track on the CD, really heroic. Played at the end of episode 25.
9. Knives - The track is called Knives, but it has nothing to do with him. You would recognize the theme from Lost July when Vash fights the assassin.
10. Permanent Vacation - Midvalley jams.
11. Blue Funk - Any fan would recognize this right away, played during the end of alot of early episodes.
12. Yellow Alert - Another action theme played alot through the series.
13. Carot & Stick - A great lighthearted theme, also played alot through the first half of the series.
14 - Suna-no-Hoshi (Sandy Planet) - An emotional acustic guitar theme, played during one of the defining moments of Trigun (in episode 24).
15. Kaze-Wa-Mirai-ni-Fuku - The ending theme. It grew on me over the years, it sucks that they dont show the ending Vash/Kuroneko art along with the 20 seconds of his song on CN.
"The single worst choice you can make is to make no choice at all. While you hesitate, the opportunity to act is lost."
In my opinion Chapel says it better in the english dub.

[raykremer]

Cross Punisher, mark II!

But now the question is, how does Knives relate to Legato?
Nothing very exotic.
Legato's just a lacky of Knives.

Next episode: I wouldn't call it filler, but everybody else is going to.

[Perfect Cell]

I agree that tomorow or is it todays episode in terms of overall quality is not "that" good. Of course its not like its a bad episode. Its got a great story, but that moment :p is just too funny. I thought it was done better in japanese than in english, but im nit picking actually

[Chuquita]

*jaw drops*
[SPOLIER]HE'S the lackey!? I was sure it was gonna be the other way around[/SPOILER]
For once I'm glad I didn't go out and find out everything before it happens like I did w/dbz. It's nice to get surprised every once in a while. *nods*

At first I thought I thought it was Vash & Meryl in disguises (Lena's voice sounds like hers) until they explained it.

Like how Vash still keeps a pair of glasses/sunglasses w/him in his "retirement years".

I dislike Knives, and I'm pretty much decided on that.

:confused: What's so utterly amazing about tonight's episode? Something about a song?...

I liked how Wolfwood snapped Vash out of unconsiousness. He smacks him across the face, the doctor yells at him, and then they look back at Vash to see he's awake. The way he was staring at them cracked me up :D :p

Does "Eriks" mean anything or was it a random name Vash thought up?

Liked the ending flash-images of the time he spent with Lena and the mother (grandmother?)

Can't wait to see what happens on tonight's episode, even though I'm not sure what that is, everyone else seems excited so I will be too! :D


...what's the code for spoilers cuz my thingy (thought not really much of a spoiler, just a reply) up top just won't work.

[AVianes]

Was the town where everybody dissappered the same one from the episode Diablo...just wanted to know.

[Amano Ginji]

Chuquita, YOU MARKED YOUR SPOILER WRONG AGAIN.

Will someone please fix that?

[Cyporiean]

...what's the code for spoilers cuz my thingy (thought not really much of a spoiler, just a reply) up top just won't work.

You have to spell the damn thing correctly.

[Amano Ginji]

At least I didn't read it, but you have to type spoiler in lowercase. Not capitalized.

[MrBananagrabber]

Does "Eriks" mean anything or was it a random name Vash thought up?

It seems to be just a name he used, nothing special. However, it sounds *remotely* like Alex, the guy Rem loved. That may be a total coincidence, but who knows?

[SNS]

At least I didn't read it, but you have to type spoiler in lowercase. Not capitalized.

No, you don't. I use spoiler tags with it being in caps all the time (in fact that's how it appeared back when there was a spoiler button). What happened was that he misspelled "spoiler".

[Michael]

it was interesting got to see his arm shot off and the name of his thrid gun ;)

[Arde]

I must be the minority here who actually really like this ep.
It's not because it's sweet sentimental either...
Seeing Vash stripping nude and barking like a dog for the bandits was quite unsettling as in the end it achieved nothing but a little peace time for the people.
And not to mention he didn't carry his gun or his bad attitude at all when he was being 'Eriks'.
The point being, quite simply, is that being neutral and not doing anything achieves nothing.
However, agressive merciless actions as done by Knives or Legato only makes matters worse although it gets the job done (I can now safely call it the Bush-Cheney method since war is already over and nothing is actually any better for anyone).
Vash's method is a much harder and much slower one, it tries to decrease as much casualties as possible while trying to get the job done. Is it the best method? Does it even work? I don't know, but I think peace is maintained better this way (call this the UN way-since that's all they've been trying to do from the past and has never truly succeeded even until now).

And that's the whole frickin reason this ep made my day.

[Amano Ginji]

No, you don't. I use spoiler tags with it being in caps all the time (in fact that's how it appeared back when there was a spoiler button). What happened was that he misspelled "spoiler".

Errm......oh, yeah.

*Thinks of a way to tell my story in less than 10 sentences*

I was trying to make a picture appear in my post awhile, back and I was getting ticked off at this. I tried to (Well, it's a long story). Let's just leave it at I thought something was one way, and it really wasn't.

Thanks for correcting me.

[lostrune]

I think Lia Sargent played Meryl; Dorothy Melendrez played Millie.
Switch the VAs around, buddy.

Are you sure? I know A.N.N. ('http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=88') has it your way, but they've been wrong before - like when they had Lisa Ortiz playing Tea in Yugioh, and I had to email them twice to change it.

To me, Millie sounds closer to Kaoru in Kenshin (played by Melendrez), while Meryl sounds closer to Dorothy in Big O (played by Sargent). (I chose only those couple of examples specifically because those appeared on CN. I could give more non-CN examples later upon request.)

Per chance, is there any official statement or interview where one of them admits which they play?

[Wervyn]

To me, Millie sounds closer to Kaoru in Kenshin (played by Melendrez), while Meryl sounds closer to Dorothy in Big O (played by Sargent). (I chose only those couple of examples specifically because those appeared on CN. I could give more non-CN examples later upon request.)

You are either quite clearly insane, or you've got the characters mixed up. Kaoru and Meryl sound almost exactly alike, and for good reason. It's been too long since I've seen Big O, but I'll wager Dorothy sounds a lot like an emotionless Milly, too. Just to make sure you're on the same page as everyone else, Meryl is the short one who seems perpetually pissed off at something, and Milly is the tall, goofy one with the huge family.

"Why won't these spolier tags work?!"

[Nabuca]

Cross Punisher, mark II!


Nothing very exotic.
Legato's just a lacky of Knives.


IMO Legato is more than just that....
Some of the best insight/opinions on Legato....
http://www.bluesummers.net/legato/insight2.html Bam.

[Rikou]

Some of the best insight/opinions on Legato....
http://www.bluesummers.net/legato/insight2.html Bam.

Heh. I wouldn't put too much faith in a site that has a Legato/Wolfwood rape fic on it. *shudder*

[Spike Mcdougal]

Heh. I wouldn't put too much faith in a site that has a Legato/Wolfwood rape fic on it. *shudder*

THEY FRY!!!!!!!!!

*Runs off with a flamethrower*

[Sheamon]

Are you sure? I know A.N.N. ('http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=88') has it your way, but they've been wrong before - like when they had Lisa Ortiz playing Tea in Yugioh, and I had to email them twice to change it.

To me, Millie sounds closer to Kaoru in Kenshin (played by Melendrez), while Meryl sounds closer to Dorothy in Big O (played by Sargent). (I chose only those couple of examples specifically because those appeared on CN. I could give more non-CN examples later upon request.)

Per chance, is there any official statement or interview where one of them admits which they play?

Both actresses have very distinctive voices and it is easy to identify them if you've heard them in a few shows. Heck, we should all be very familiar with them just going by whats aired on Toonami/Adult Swim. If you need more confirmation that Lia Sargent is Millie, listen to Dorothy in Big O again, or Judy in Bebop, or Lalah in the Gundam movies, or even Shion in Xenosaga. Quite easy to pick her out. As for Melendrez, Kaoru in Kenshin's already a good example, try Nina in Gundam 0083 if you need more confirmation. Its one thing with say, Alaina Burnett and Willow Johnson, who sound insanely alike, but these 2 actresses sound quite different from one another.

Perhaps you're mixing up the names of the characters...? :p

[Chosen Raven]

However, agressive merciless actions as done by Knives or Legato only makes matters worse although it gets the job done (I can now safely call it the Bush-Cheney method since war is already over and nothing is actually any better for anyone).

That's highly debateable. They Iraqi people don't seem too upset, but then maybe you would rather leave them with a dictator who put them feet first through shredders. Not to mention the act wasn't merciless(we accepted surrenders and did our best too minimize civilian casualties, and in the end Saddam killed more innocents in this war than we did accidentally).

Vash's method is a much harder and much slower one, it tries to decrease as much casualties as possible while trying to get the job done. Is it the best method? Does it even work? I don't know, but I think peace is maintained better this way (call this the UN way-since that's all they've been trying to do from the past and has never truly succeeded even until now).

I think Vash is a little too naive to realize how murderous his philosophy is. It seems to be a philosophy of spareing the murderer, yet not giving a crap about the people he's going to kill in the future. The truth is if Vash had killed Monev the moment he understood that Monev didn't care how many innocents he killed as long as he got Vash in the end, none of those innocent men, women, and children would have died. I wouldn't call this the UN approach anyway because Vash didn't wag his finger at any of these murderers while saying "naughty, naughty" and hoping they would change.

I don't want too make this thread into a political argument, Arde, so I'll let you have the last word. You gotta admit though, your comments basically screamed controversy ( not that that's a bad thing).

[Spike Mcdougal]

I never understood this

What's the point of sending them back if their Berardelli's no longer involved with Vash

This scene is my favorite in this episode

"Needle Noggin

[zmanjz]

I never understood this

What's the point of sending them back if their Berardelli's no longer involved with Vash

This scene is my favorite in this episode

"Needle Noggin

um... that's one I can't answer...

but I can guess :)
(maybe they're supposed to go along to document what damage is caused by vash (if it's caused by an act of god, the company doesn't have to pay).)

Anyway, did anyone notice the ton of little boxes in meryl's Locker?

Hehehe...

Kuroneko :D

[Spike Mcdougal]

um... that's one I can't answer...

but I can guess :)
(maybe they're supposed to go along to document what damage is caused by vash (if it's caused by an act of god, the company doesn't have to pay).)

Anyway, did anyone notice the ton of little boxes in meryl's Locker?

Hehehe...

Kuroneko :D

That's pretty much the obvious answer

[Scythemantis]

Vash is not an alien. You'll get more hints at what he is later. If you watch the series a second time, you'll pick up tons of earlier ones that you missed, and it'll be really clear (well, actually, no...you'll know what HE is, but the jury's still out on what THOSE actually are)

[Spike Mcdougal]

"Looks like a raid" :)

EDIT:Meryl as nice legs :D

[Spike Mcdougal]

Total Slaughter,
Total Slaughter.
I won't leave a single man alive.

La de da de dai,
Genocide.
La de da de duh,
An ocean of blood.

Let's begin the killing time.

[Perfect Cell]

Total Slaughter,
Total Slaughter.
I won't leave a single man alive.

La de da de dai,
Genocide.
La de da de duh,
An ocean of blood.

Let's begin the killing time.


yeah thats it :p for some reason i always laugh at that when i see Trigun.... this is my favorite episode in the whole series just for that litle song

[zmanjz]

I see white angels :D

[Rikou]

this is my favorite episode in the whole series just for that litle song

I think I'm gonna have to agree with you on that one. :D

That and the Deadly Dodgeball Head.

[DianaGohan]

Who Will Hang In the "Hang Fire"? Read the Trigun Episode Review and find out for yourselves.

An intresting mix of comedey and action with a splash of moral drama mixed up in the meantime. You got the return of Milly and Meryl and their continued hunt for Vash in order to stop him from causing more damage, you got Vash and Wolfwood doing some hilarious exchanges while heading for Little Jersey (or was that the other town? I knew I should have taped this episode!) about traveling arrangments and who should pick up the bill. You get to see an old friend of Vash and the struggle between the two gangs over the death of their leader's daughter, which puts Vash in quite the dileminia on whether he should kill them or not. Highlights include Milly and Meryl busting out on the kidnappers while still tied up, Vash's little song, and Wolfwood getting a beating for sliding down a woman's dress while trying to get past a crowd. Nothing really happened, except that you see Legato's got a puppet looking after Vash, so I give this one an A-. Tomorrow's looks good, with seeing Knives for the first time not in flashback (I think, from the look of the promo).

[Disco Pete]

THat song... so cool!
It was kinda weird to hear those words from Mr. "Love and Peace" himself, and funny too.

I think I saw the funniest Kuroneko spotting so far. It was when Vash left Wolfwood with the bill. "I didn't know you could turn into a cat." "Meowmeowmeowmeow." Well, kitties gotta eat, too!

[Arde]

I think Vash is a little too naive to realize how murderous his philosophy is. It seems to be a philosophy of spareing the murderer, yet not giving a crap about the people he's going to kill in the future. The truth is if Vash had killed Monev the moment he understood that Monev didn't care how many innocents he killed as long as he got Vash in the end, none of those innocent men, women, and children would have died. I wouldn't call this the UN approach anyway because Vash didn't wag his finger at any of these murderers while saying "naughty, naughty" and hoping they would change.
Quite true, that's why I told you the UN has never been successful in its resolutions.
And last night's ep just proves how frustrating Vash's idea was for others and even for himself. He literally cried and begged for the bastard's life.
Me... would've done the same thing as the father of the girl if any of my family were ever harmed.
Oh well, looking forward for tomorrow's ep to see how Knives is like now.

[Perfect Cell]

One more thing.... lol i sound like Jackie Chans uncle. Anyways when Meryl and Milly start packing to go and find Vash, Milly tells Meryl Arent you glad youl get to see Mister Vash again or something like that, and for a seccond Meryl Agrees and smiles.... and then says what are you talking about bla bla bla.... Just for that seccond ;) Were those her true feelings? Is she in love with Vash ?

[StrangerAtaru]

Last night's episode really isn't much of an episode outside of several great comedic moments throughout, including the "rallying for water between Vash and Wolfwood, the "Total Genocide" song (which actually isn't that funny, but is amusing to hear from Mr. Love and Peace) and, of course, my favorite scene in the whole series. (which I will mention below!) Of course, the final few minutes of the episode is one of the most intense scenes in the series: Vash was trying really hard to gain the mercy of a man who may not have deserved it due to the horrors he had been through. It would have been obvious to understand why he was so vengful, but knowing Vash he had to keep heading for a more peaceful resolution or else lose the inspiration of Rem inside of him. (which will be put through more brutal tests now through next Thursday....) And the ending with the Puppet Master...still freaks me out!

Kuroneko Watch: I don't know about everyone else on this board, but this is the scene that makes the episode, and one of my favorite in the whole series! Wolfwood's quote puts it best:
"I've always had my suspictions you were no mere mortal, but I never imagined you actually...a cat..." (and no, I didn't remember it on my own: Trigun Realm (http://trigunrealm.fateback.com) helped me.)

[AVianes]

Was this the first time that any of the main charcter recognized the cat.
It usally seems like they don't notice it.

[Wervyn]

No, there was the time Wolfwood was playing Chess, in episode 11. "Heh, aren't God's little creatures wonderful! And so darn smart!" *nervous laughter*
I don't know if the cat landing on Vash in episode 16 really counts, but, well, it did come into physical contact with him. I guess that's in the same vein as Wolfwood pulling it out of his bag in episode 9, though. One of my favorites is at the beginning of tonight's episode, and is a lot like Wolfwood's "revalation" last night. "Wow, he turned into a cat!" "Wrong!"

"Requiem for Nichol. He is now dead, his skin is seared off, his face has exploded, and his gender is no longer an issue."

[Nabuca]

Heh. I wouldn't put too much faith in a site that has a Legato/Wolfwood rape fic on it. *shudder*
Parts of the site are downright disturbing, but the actual insight on Legato has alot of great info. People who do fanfics like that make me lose faith in humanity....heh

[Michael]

good epsiode, that song was funny hearing it from him, specially when he said "dang i knew it wouldnt work"

hehe

[raykremer]

Vash is not an alien. You'll get more hints at what he is later.
Well, he's sure as hell not human. Since the plants seem to hold the capacity for sentience, I'd say that makes them aliens.
Were those her true feelings? Is she in love with Vash ?
Hides it well, doesn't she.

Next episode: The last hurrah of Project Seeds.

[SSJ_Gogeta]

Does that cat follow Vash around, or something? It pops up in random episodes (unless all cats are black on that planet).

And that song LOL :p

[raykremer]

Kuroneko's like that trio of old guys in Cowboy Bebop. He's just everywhere.

[Kat Pryde]

Kuroneko's like that trio of old guys in Cowboy Bebop. He's just everywhere.
Funny, ain't it?

[StrangerAtaru]

Quick note about tonight's Kuroneko: it is one of the more freaky appearances not just of the black cats, but a freaky Trigun moment in general. Let's just say you've been warned.

As for Wolfwood and the Kuronekos: he's sort of like a magnet for those little guys. Must be the priest getup....

[Chuquita]

*sweatdrops* I spelled it wrong. Figures ^_^;; Sorry about that.

Ahh, there we go!

Liked that little song, this episode reminded me of the older ones before things got really dramatic.

Kuroneko was funny, also enjoyed the little bit where they were at the insurance office.

Originally Posted by SNS: What happened was that he misspelled "spoiler".

I'm a girl :p

I can't wait to see how this show ends, with how good it's been getting lately I'm sure it will be! :D

[Cyporiean]

Well, he's sure as hell not human. Since the plants seem to hold the capacity for sentience, I'd say that makes them aliens.



well... Most animals on this planet are Sentient, does that make them Aliens? and technically all the humans on Gunsmoke are aliens as well..

[SNS]

well... Most animals on this planet are Sentient

Humans are the only thing on Earth that is sentient. To be sentient is to have the abilitity to think & reason. Animals don't have that, they just have instincts

[Nabuca]

An awesome Knives flashback in the beginning of Flying Ship, its a shame people cant get over the fact that its the voice of Tai from digimon, he does an awesome job as Young Knives. This starts the string of final seven great episodes.

[Artemis]

We just heard Mackenzie's favorite line! I think Yong Knives's voice is just fine, but still...I can't help but picture Tai saying the things he says. XD

[zmanjz]

Humans are the only thing on Earth that is sentient. To be sentient is to have the abilitity to think & reason. Animals don't have that, they just have instincts

Well... it's an open question whether Dolphins (The mamalian ones) have sentience.)

... why are we talking about this in spoilers?

-------------------------
Any way...

That was crazy seeing a Thomas come crashing through the window.

Wolfwood:
"yeah, what do they have a summer cottege in the sky?"
...
"What the h***'s that?

heh heh heh that's priceless.

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[Artemis]

Today's episode of Trigun, guest starring Kuwabara from YYH as Brad! :p

[Spike Mcdougal]

The Boston Crab


We just heard Mackenzie's favorite line! I think Yong Knives's voice is just fine, but still...I can't help but picture Tai saying the things he says. XD

Stop thinking of Tai when he does young Knives!!!! Everytime I hear him I always hear Tetsuo and NOT Tai!!


This is Meryl and Millie's first life risking act as I mentioned last week


guest starring Kuwabara from YYH as Brad!

And none of that bullcrap either Artemis!!!

[Artemis]

The Boston Crab




Stop thinking of Tai when he does young Knives!!!! Everytime I hear him I always hear Tetsuo and NOT Tai!!




No, you don't get it. Picture Tetsuo saying Knives' dialogue and you don't feel much. If you picture Tai, that's where the funny lies!

[zmanjz]

Stop thinking of Tai when he does young Knives!!!! Everytime I hear him I always hear Tetsuo and NOT Tai!!

Tetsuo? the guy from GE 999? (and Harlock Saga)

[Spike Mcdougal]

Tetsuo? the guy from GE 999? (and Harlock Saga)

NO!!!!!!!!!!

Tetsuo from Akira!!!!!

[Spike Mcdougal]

No, you don't get it. Picture Tetsuo saying Knives' dialogue and you don't feel much. If you picture Tai, that's where the funny lies!


I do get it

And it's ridiculous

EDIT:Now I have a mental picture of that. Blast you Artemis!!!

[zmanjz]

Did somebody say Upgrade :D I love the new one it's like a thousand times better than the old one.


The game's afoot.

and now we know why he wears red. (and where he gets his stylin clothes

edit:

I could say that this a cool episode and that I love this series...

But H***. I'm not telling you anything you didn't already know.

[Spike Mcdougal]

This scene is so awesome it's not even funny.

[Nabuca]

This scene is so awesome it's not even funny.
Agreed, its scenes like that that make Trigun one of, if not the best in my book. And theres plenty more where that came from. If anyone has a problem with my "wait and see" posts, oh well, T.S. :)

[Artemis]

I do get it

And it's ridiculous

EDIT:Now I have a mental picture of that. Blast you Artemis!!!

Blame Mackenzie Rainelle. She introduced me to that lovely image.


EDIT:

This scene is so awesome it's not even funny.



Agreed. A perfect example of Trigun capturing the moment and owning it.

[Spike Mcdougal]

Blame Mackenzie Rainelle. She introduced me to that lovely image.


EDIT:



Agreed. A perfect example of Trigun capturing the moment and owning it.

Nah It's more fun to blame you :D

And it is awesome. That flashback with Rem and Vash walking up. It's just so cool

[DianaGohan]

You better watch out and duck for cover because the Trigun Episode Review of "Flying Ship".

Now that Trigun's starting to get into high gear, it's safe to say this final stretch of episodes will probably be the reason why the show's so highly acclaimed by everyone whose seen it before on these boards. A decent mix on comedey (The Milly and Meryl vrs the typhoon scenes, Jessica's obession with Vash and Brad's jealousy) and action (The puppet master fight, espically Vash's trimpuhant re entrance). Also, a bit more history of the Vash and Knives backstory is shown when we have the flashback of them landing on this planet, and I think this connects to how Knives is actually The leader of Legato and the Gung Ho Guns and may be actually aboard the ship (That part's a total guess, BTW) . It's episode like these that make you want to see the episodes that air after this one. A

[Rikou]

"Oh my god he turned into a cat!"

Yes, Millie and Wolfwood are so meant for each other. :D

[TnAdct1]

No, you don't get it. Picture Tetsuo saying Knives' dialogue and you don't feel much. If you picture Tai, that's where the funny lies!

A similar thing happens to me when I sometimes watch the dub for Saber Marionette J Again. With Mona Marshall using her Izzy voice for Otaru, I can't help but picturing Izzy saying "Oh, Cherry" during the scene in the OVA where Cherry imagines herself and Otaru as a married couple.

Next week begins the six that I saw at my anime club (I returned to club after a six-month stay in Florida just when they were near the end of Trigun), and next week will be interesting with Wolfwood dying, Legato finally getting Vash to murder him, and a certain moment concering Milly and Wolfwood that will lead to a lot of debate.

Joe Klemm

[Sketch]

Tai saying those things... Man! Someone should use those lines to redub a scene or two in Digimon. It would be fantastic!

[Mackenzie Rainelle]

::SQUEE!:: DAMN, I love that line. XD Most hilarious voice casting in dubbing history.

[Nabuca]

::SQUEE!:: DAMN, I love that line. XD Most hilarious voice casting in dubbing history.
He did a solid job in Arc The Lad, a surprisingly good anime considering it had the curse of being based on a videogame. Well at least it seems like there are more voice actors attempting to take child roles in anime, it seems like every child in mid-90s anime was dubbed by Saffron Henderson, heh.

[Zero Angel]

Tetsuo? the guy from GE 999? (and Harlock Saga)

BTW : the minature bounty hunter from GE 999 is spelt Tetsuro, not Tetsuo.

[Sora Takenouchi]

He did a solid job in Arc The Lad, a surprisingly good anime considering it had the curse of being based on a videogame. Well at least it seems like there are more voice actors attempting to take child roles in anime, it seems like every child in mid-90s anime was dubbed by Saffron Henderson, heh.

Yea, Chibi-Vash coulda been voiced by Ian Hawk and Chibi-Knives by Mona Marshall. :p

[Michael]

good epsiode! funny yes it was! :)

[Chuquita]

Ah, I loved the nekos in this one. Great scene (Milly & Meryl following the signal only to find Vash feed the food to the cats)

I never watched much of digimon so this time I listened more closely to Knives voice. :D It does sound like Tai!

Actually that one guy does look like Kuwabara, but a huskier/chunkier version of him.

Now we know where the red coat came from :)

The scene w/Vash jumping off the cliff :D

Good episode!

[lostrune]

Vash always strikes out, one way or another, with mature girls he lusts over, but he seems to be a hit among the truly jailbait crowd? Must be because he's a kid at heart in a boy-band body. :D

[Kesh]

Interesting comment from that episode by the villain.

Sounds like Chapel was Wolfwood's mentor.

[Cyber E.]

Rem Saverem
This episode seemed to explain alot of Vash's history. I knew about Knives before but didn't know very much and this story really helped. We learned about everything that happened and how much Vash had to suffer. The storyline of constant betrayal was greatly done and I cannot wait for the next episode. A+

Goodbye For Now
Another good episode. I missed the first two minutes but caught the rest and it was pretty good. Glad to see another episode with Wolfwood as one of the leads, although I am starting to miss Milly and Meryl. The artwork was usual while the dialogue was excellent. A

Hang Fire
I couldn't really get into the feel of this episode, it really didn't seem to move the storyline except that M&M are back with Vash and Wolfwood has left again. The artwork this episode seemed to be pretty bad, I couldn't believe how crappy some of the shots were. The only real good thing is the appearance by Leonof the Puppetmaster. B-

Flying Ship
Alittle different then what I expected from this episode, but it was a good weird. The storyline seemed at a standstill until the very end of the episode but it wasn't that bad. We see some more of Vash's past and what seems to be more of even Wolfwood's. Cannot wait until the next episode. A+

Until next week.
-aJb

[Tapout]

On the VA thing, is Milly the same chick from "Big Shot" on Cowboy Bebop? You know, the one who's wardrobe consists of 75% scotch tape? They sound exactly the same to me.

[JTurner954]

Since there was some trouble with spoilers (and I was busy with finals), I decided to wait until the weekend to post my comments on each episode.

Monday: Hmm, a twin brother eh? Interesting turn of events. It was also nice to see how Vash got his haircut and who the love interest was. Three questions:

1. Why did Knives want to kill the crew in the first place and save Vash? It kind of seemed like Knives was jealous of Vash so I couldn't get why he spared his life.

2. Are the two brothers human or were they just being experimented on?

3. The cat did not make an appearance in this episode,right?

Overall grade: B+

Tuesday: Cool, Wolfwood returns. I think the show improves whenever he and Vash/Erik team up. Is it safe to assume that Knives also has the same ability with the arm changing that Vash does? The episode was good with Vash's "new life" but I wasn't into the whole hostage thing. Overall grade: B

Wednesday: Well, I just wasn't into this episode. The irony with the train situation and the return of that evil gang were cool. Everything else was just mediocre (action scenes were good as usual though). Overall grade: B-

Thursday: Wow, I really enjoyed this episode. After seeing the artificial arm, I'm still a bit confused (see second question above). The storyline with Wolfwood and the crew's hostility towards him was very well done. I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of this evil group (is it the Gung-Ho Gang?). Oh, and the typhoon scene with Millie and Merryl helped to lessen the tension above in the ship.

Overall grade: A-

[sl4]

I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of this evil group (is it the Gung-Ho Gang?)

Yes. And actually, it's the Gung-Ho Guns.[/bakafoo]

[Kat Pryde]

Interesting comment from that episode by the villain.

Sounds like Chapel was Wolfwood's mentor.
:sniff: Then that means...
:sings: ..Then the end is coming near..

[raykremer]

1. Why did Knives want to kill the crew in the first place and save Vash? It kind of seemed like Knives was jealous of Vash so I couldn't get why he spared his life.
There's been enough flashbacks to show this. Knives considers himself and Vash to be superior to the humans, and wants to kill them all to prevent them from spreading. They ruined their own planet, they shouldn't be allowed to ruin another. Knives doesn't like Vash's philosophy, but he's still his own kind.

2. Are the two brothers human or were they just being experimented on?
They're not human. How Rem's ship came upon them isn't explained in the anime, but somehow they are the (power) plant life-forms taken on human shape.

3. The cat did not make an appearance in this episode,right?
I don't keep track.

Next episode: What goes up...

[Zero Angel]

they havent shown how Vash lost his arm yet? perhaps that is part of the second to the last episode and the last episode showing the last 130 years in Vash's life on planet Gunsmoke.

[lostrune]

3. The cat did not make an appearance in this episode,right?

The black cat was in the human cryogenic chamber when Vash and Rem were talking on an overlooking windowed platform.

they havent shown how Vash lost his arm yet?

No, they already showed that in a flashback (blown off by Knives).