Reviews: "Trigun" - Week Two [4/8 - 4/11]

[livingfruitvirus]

Trigun's all new this week! Showing.....

4/8 - "Hard Puncher" [5]
4/9 - "Lost July" [6]
4/10 - "B.D.N." [7]
4/11 - "And Between the Wasteland and Sky" [8]

Start chatting.

[Nabuca]

This is truly a memorable episode, one of the best from the first half. Great episode. The animation and angles during Vash vs Gofsef is awesome.

[Spike Mcdougal]

I guess you can say this is the begining of a four parter or two two parters.

EDIT:One of the funniest chase scenes i've ever seen

OH CRAP!!!!!!

[Nabuca]

I guess you can say this is the begining of a four parter or two two parters.
The story stays in Inepril City for 3 of the episodes, but I wouldnt call them two (or three) parters.

[Killtacular]

Hahahahahahahaha...

They censored the toy gun.. IT WASN'T EVEN REAL!! WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM, BS&P?!

[Nabuca]

Hahahahahahahaha...

They censored the toy gun.. IT WASN'T EVEN REAL!! WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM, BS&P?!
Yeah, seriously. Its a toy gun, it shouldnt matter if a kid has it or not.

[David Lucas]

Hahahahahahahaha...

They censored the toy gun.. IT WASN'T EVEN REAL!! WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM, BS&P?!

They did? I saw the gun twice, not to mention the barrage of guns throughout the episode?

[Spike Mcdougal]

I like this choking scene with Meryl better in Japanese.


And why cant those stupid Nebraska goofs just watch where their going!!!! If that was my car I wouldnt think twice about popping a couple of caps

[Killtacular]

They cut out the specific scene of the gun actually being fired.



...with suction cup darts..








Yeah, that's SO controversial.

[RedBoot]

They cut out the specific scene of the gun being fired.


...with suction cup darts..




Yeah, that's SO controversial.

.....why?

Why is that wrong, but the REAL guns in the earlier episodes are okay?

[Nabuca]

They cut out the specific scene of the gun being fired.




...with suction cup darts..








Yeah, that's SO controversial.
I was looking at the computer during that part. Maybe a time edit? I dont feel like going to the DVD right now and I dont remember this episode running longer than normal.

[Killtacular]

It can't be a time edit.

I can't even begin to fathom what BS&P was thinking.

[Artemis]

They also cut out part of the scene when those bounty hunters were celebrating Vash's "death". I'm guessing cuz it contained the s-word.

[Nabuca]

It can't be a time edit.

I can't even begin to fathom what BS&P was thinking.
I seriously think WS reads this board and likes to f*** with us.

[Nabuca]

They also cut out part of the scene when those bounty hunters were celebrating Vash's "death". I'm guessing cuz it contained the s-word.
"Im so excited I could s***"

[David Lucas]

Ewwwww......

......that whole scene was HORRIBLE in English.

Japanese Vash: I can't stop UNTIL I SEE HIM!!!!! Please....don't make me shoot you.

That was a lot more dramatic/powerful then "for the love of god don't shoot that gun."

Here's hopin for a great "love and peace" line.

[The Xenos]

Sweet, I finally get to see Trigun. Kept forgetting about it last week.

Sad thing is I got the DVDs, but haven't watched most fo the middle. My friends keep yelling at me because of it.

-Xenos

[Spike Mcdougal]

Never Could Have Been Worse

An apropriate song for this

[Spike Mcdougal]

On with the glasses........

[Nabuca]

On with the glasses........
"I have one left, could be my special one" Heh this episode brings back memories of when I first fell in love with this show, episode 5 offically hooked me and I was marking the calendar with Trigun release dates from there on.

[Killtacular]

Oh, I get it. Kids aren't allowed to..shoot guns?

Wait, I don't get it.

[Dogasu]

I didn't tune in until about halfway through the episode (I won't really be paying attention until Episode 16, which will be the first episode I haven't seen), but that's OK since I've already seen this episode like three times before. So this is going to mainly be a review of the dub cast. Tthe little girl who was sent to tell the mayor that Vash was caught has the most annoying voice ever. Thank God she's a minor character.

And why did they go and dub Gofseki (or however you spell his name)? His Japanese voice is sooooo much funnier... :(

The Nebraska father was slightly better, but he was still pretty off >.<

And when Vash got all serious in that one room (when he's surrounded by all the women with guns while Gofseki is on a rampage), his dub VA didn't put half the emotion the Japanese Vash did.

Wow, it sounds like I'm really bashing the dub here, but for the most part I really like it. I dunno, it's just something about tonight's episode that made everyone sound really off-mark.

Hahahahahahahaha...

They censored the toy gun.. IT WASN'T EVEN REAL!! WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM, BS&P?!

Funny thing is, they kept it the second time around, and even kept in Vash's line about the gun "saving me twice today."

Wow, if the censors are being this anal, it's hard to think what'll happen once Legato comes around. Or even Wolfwood, for that matter.

[Spike Mcdougal]

Love And Peace!!!!!!! :)

[Nabuca]

Wow, if the censors are being this anal, it's hard to think what'll happen once Legato comes around. Or even Wolfwood, for that matter.
CN is being anal with taboo subjects again, like usual. Wolfwood and Legato will be fine.

[Artemis]

I like the Japanese version of the ending better simply because it was funny hearing Japanese Vash yelling "LOVE AN-DU PEESE!!" XD

[The_Dominion]

Is it me, or does the VA who does Jim Hawking in Outlaw Star seem to only do little kid roles in dubbing, and a lot of them at that.

[ArmyOfClones]

Good episode... however I believe the love and peace joke was funnier the first time around they should've let the 4th episode be the only episode with that line.. I mean do they keep constantly repeating that line over and over again in this series?

[Nabuca]

Good episode... however I believe the love and peace joke was funnier the first time around they should've let the 4th episode be the only episode with that line.. I mean do they keep constantly repeating that line over and over again in this series?
Nope. It disapears pretty quickly.

[zmanjz]

This is one of my favorite episodes...


And NOW I DO think they are making some edits just for the sake of editing something.

[David Lucas]

Dogasu, I said the same thing about that scene with the women holding up Vash. After watching this for 5 days now, I'm certain that Johnny coulda pulled off that scene, but for some reason, just didn't. As for Gosefu, I agree with his original seiyuu being a LOT more comedic.

However........he nailed the Love and Peace scene ^_^ and that's ALL i wanted.

Hell when he first said "Love and...." I almost thought he WAS the original, then when his "..peace." kicked in I recognized the difference, but it was still quite good.

I definitely heard Jim Hawkins as the lil boy with the gun, and was Terry Klassen (Krillin's old voice) the Dr. Nebraska? He sounded a lil like him.

Over all, with the exception of that horrible dub of the bar scene "For the love of god....please don't shoot that gun..." Ugh. And the small edit of the toy gun for some unknown reason. The episode was still just as magical as the first time I saw it in japanese........

......a week ago.

[Dogasu]

CN is being anal with taboo subjects again, like usual. Wolfwood and Legato will be fine.

Yeah, a kid with a suction cup gun is REAL taboo...


I guess they figure they can censore Trigun more since they've been so lenient with Yu Yu Hakusho and Rurouni Kenshin. Pioneer needs to sell those DVD's, right?

[ArmyOfClones]

"Nope. It disapears pretty quickly."

Okay thats good.. I thought that they may run it into the ground.. its an awesome line! Don't want them to water it down! :D

[Nabuca]

Yeah, a kid with a suction cup gun is REAL taboo...


I know its not, ahhhhhhh I dont get this, im just trying to find reasons for such a ridiculous edit. Like I said before, someone that works for WS likes to make edits that make no sense just so he can come to this board and watch us whine.

[DianaGohan]

Trigun "Hard Puncher" Episode Review

Better then the last couple of episodes, espically the second where Vash finally got out the guns and shot down the Nebraska's big son. Also there was the opening at the bar, the entire town chasing after Vash, Meryil finally admitting he's the human typhoon, and of course the love and peace overdone at the end (espically when he asked the town to do it with him. I wonder if they would). The only bad points were the unexplained edit at the beginning, and the part right before the commerical break was kind of boring. Otherwise, great episode. A-

[Condiment King]

This was my first episode of Trigun and I gotta say that I enjoy it. It seemed to show the true human side of Vash the Stampede and the true 'hero' aspect behind it and fleshed out the motives of people to take out the $$60,000,000,000 dollar man.

It was cool, I'll be sure to stick on and watch more of it. :)

[Sheamon]

I definitely heard Jim Hawkins as the lil boy with the gun, and was Terry Klassen (Krillin's old voice) the Dr. Nebraska? He sounded a lil like him.


Terry Klassen works for Ocean, in Vancover. Trigun was dubbed by Animaze, in LA. So it wasn't him. Who? I have no clue. But it wouldn't be him.

As for the episode itself, I didn't particularly care for it outside of Meryl finally realizing the shocking truth :p

[Dogasu]

I'd rather talk here than do my German homework :P

They also cut out part of the scene when those bounty hunters were celebrating Vash's "death". I'm guessing cuz it contained the s-word.

Question: does Pioneer do to Trigun what Bandai did to Outlaw Star? Bandai, for whatever reason, altered the dub script more than a few times and made it more risque, adding more profanity and innuendo in the dub script than was originally there. So does Pioneer do that with Trigun? I don't remember the celebration scene having the s-word used a lot, and in fact the s-word has only appeared maybe four or five times in the first half of the subtitled version of the series. And I don't remember a-hole ever being in the subtitled script, yet apparently it was in the dub because it was apparently edited out of the first episode. Are extra curse words and other "artistic liberties" taken with the dub of this series?

[Arxane]

Um...as I remember, the kid never fired the toy gun. Vash fired it both times; the kid was merely holding onto it during the second time. And as I remember, they never show the gun actually firing, just the end result of hundreds of suction cups being fired. You have to admit, how can a gun like that fire that many suction cups in a small amount of time, which is why I suspected they never showed it firing in the first place.

Was there really an edit? Can someone provide a picture of this scene that was removed?

[Nabuca]

Was there really an edit? Can someone provide a picture of this scene that was removed?

I turned away during the AS airing when all this happened ( great timing eh?), on the DVD you hear the toy gun snap, a closeup of the toy gun, the hunters covered in suctions cups and Vash pulling back the toy gun, spinning it. So?

[zmanjz]

...

I still love this episode.

Watching Vash fire his gun for the protection of others...

Saving the ladies... The city...

The next episode lets you in (a tiny little bit) on Vash's "other" capabilities.

[Masamune2052]

That's one of my two most favorite scenes in Trigun: when the guitar starts playing after the Nebraska family (2/5 of them) just shot the fist at Vash, and hes standing amidst all the dust and rubble and he just that look. This has always been a favorite scene of mine because it's when they are 100% sure it is Vash the Stampede.

[David Lucas]

Okay, I just watched both my subbed version of the episode, and I guess either I'm crazy, or all of you are.

The kid never shot the gun in the Japanese version. He dropped it during the gun fire, and Vash got a hold of it offscreen. We hear a <plop> and then you see all of them covered in darts. We then see the gun, close up, and then it backs off to show Vash holding it.

None of this was censored in the AS showing. So either I'm missin something or......I dunno, I just watched both opening scenes up until Meryl and Milly show up, and there wasn't anything with the exception of the s-word taken out.

[livingfruitvirus]

I turned away during the AS airing when all this happened ( great timing eh?), on the DVD you hear the toy gun snap, a closeup of the toy gun, the hunters covered in suctions cups and Vash pulling back the toy gun, spinning it. So?

what was edited out was the toy gun at Vash's head. that's all.

[Spastic Minnow]

Speaking of edits, was there more to the scene where Vash shoots the Nebraska guy? It goes by fast so you don't quite get what happens, I taped it and slowed the scene down to see that Vash shoots him where his hand was and apparently collapses from the pain? Am I missing anything?

[Midou Ban]

Review:

I thought this episode was great. A couple of scenes I really liked was the one where Vash is standing after that big guy blows up the bar or house down with his fist. The dust clouds surrounding Vash and then that slow turn to face everybody was.....intense. I like Vash better when he wears those sunglass he looks badass to the maximum. Vash got skills with the gun too, it must be hard to spin the chamber with only one bullet left and then fire it, and have the bullet hit that giant freak. I didn't see hear anything wrong with Vash's voice when those ladies were holding him up in the bar I thought he did well, but probably could have put a little more emotion into it...just a tad. Finally Meryl believes that Vash is Vash, like it wasn't hard to believe when he was dodging those bullets in the second episode. Oh and the love and peace at the end was a nice touch.

Grade: B+

[JTurner954]

Monday's episode: Now if every episode onward is at this caliber or above, this could end up being a great series. Like Kenshin, the episodes are getting better as they are played. I wasn't too excited at "Love and Peace" the first time but I liked it here. I'm getting use to seeing the cat too. Now that Vash's identity is known and his bad side is starting to show, I'm really interested to see where the series goes from here.

Overall grade: A-

[thedigitalsin]

And why did they go and dub Gofseki (or however you spell his name)? His Japanese voice is sooooo much funnier... :(


They had to, as the voice was recorded on the Japanese voice track (as opposed to the sound effect track). They are unable to extract his voice alone - they would also get other characters if their dialogue overlapped his.

It's the same reason why IS&M had to redub the EVA units in Evangelion, and Bang Zoom! redubbed the EX-01 in Argentosoma.

[PearlRose86]

How many times did the cat appear in "Hard Puncher"? I know I saw him once in the old lady's lap when Vash is being chased by the townsfolk toward the episode's beginning, but I thought I saw him another time or two in that episode. So, where's Kuroneko-sama?



Maggie

[Andy Mancini]

I like the Japanese version of the ending better simply because it was funny hearing Japanese Vash yelling "LOVE AN-DU PEESE!!" XD
Same here, although I was pleasently suprised on how it came across in the dub. As for the edit, it doesn't bug me. It wasn't nearly as bad as "the homosexual sex" edit from Cowboy Bebop.

[StrangerAtaru]

Of course, this is the episode where things start get more interesting. We continue to see "Vash the doofus", but we are starting to see finally "Vash the gunslinger". The battle with the Nebraskas is classic (even if the son has a different voice), considering that the true nature of Vash is finally emerging and even doubter Meryl now realizes that he has a specific code to him. Of course, this is built up throughout the episode with the huge chase sequence and Vash ending up captured if only to save this town from an even bigger menace than himself. As for the "Love and Peace" bit, I have come to the realization that this version is better in the Japanese, while on the other hand the dub improved on the first version Vash does it in the previous episode.

BTW: I know there are three episodes left next week, but I guess they don't interest me as much as this one (even if BDN is somewhat cool and we first hear of Rem Saverem) However, can't wait until next Monday, when a certain cross-toting priest shows up...

Kuroneko Watch: Two pure Kuronekos this time around: one towards the middle who appears when Meryl is yelling at the officials of the town, and one at the very end when she comes to the realization of Vash's nature. However, there was also a third Kuroneko with a brown spot around its left (to us) ear sitting with the old woman during that chase sequence early on.

[Patches]

And why did they go and dub Gofseki (or however you spell his name)? His Japanese voice is sooooo much funnier... :( Ironically, Gofsef was originally voiced by Vicious from Cowboy Bebop, if I recall correctly. I'm also pretty sure they've re-dubbed Kuronekosama as well. The deadpan "Nya" just doesn't quite sound the same as it did in the Japanese version.

[zmanjz]

Lost July's on tonight


I forgot this one, so I popped in the DVD.

It's actually pretty good. Hard Puncher's great for it's action. This one has other great attributes.

[raykremer]

...and now things start to get exciting.

"If you make him mad, he'll destroy your town" as they are destroying their own town. Heh.

[RedBoot]

I'm also pretty sure they've re-dubbed Kuronekosama as well. The deadpan "Nya" just doesn't quite sound the same as it did in the Japanese version.

They probably did. Animals are rarely part of the sound effects track. For instance, I know ADV had to dub Menchi (and the Puchuus) in Excel Saga.

For what its worth, I think the english Kuroneko is well done.

[Michael]

hehe todays was good, seeing him shoot his gun finally. You will all like tomorrows :)

[Beat]

1. F*** you BS&P.
2. One of the best eps so far.

[Conekiller]

What is UP with the Nebraskas!? the whole lot of em really freak me out

now that I think of it, they never explained why we have ginats i this show have they

[Beat]

Giants? I saw a 12 foot tall guy in Episode 1, and he had a ton of plastic surgery.

[Chuquita]

:D "Love and Peace" *grins* Very good episode. I have no clue about the sub version, but this is great.

And here I thought this show would be dull and boring; goes to show how wrong I was! :)

[zmanjz]

:D "Love and Peace" *grins* Very good episode. I have no clue about the sub version, but this is great.

And here I thought this show would be dull and boring; goes to show how wrong I was! :)

Dull and booring???


this is nothing. Imagine a learning curve. That's the ratio of action/suspense to episode number.

[kaine23]

Another great episode. Nice to see this series again.

Love anda peace!!

[Conekiller]

Giants? I saw a 12 foot tall guy in Episode 1, and he had a ton of plastic surgery.

I dunno, have you ever stood next to a 12 foot guy? an 8 foot guy would be considered a giant! and those Nebraskas are all sorts of funked out

[StrangerAtaru]

Heck, if you think sonny-boy Nebraska is freaky....

Wait until ep. 14, where we meet mommy Nebraska! (although daughter Nebraska is cute...)

[Conekiller]

Heck, if you think sonny-boy Nebraska is freaky....

Wait until ep. 14, where we meet mommy Nebraska! (although daughter Nebraska is cute...)

i know, i've seen it, that's why I'm commenting on "family"

[Spike Mcdougal]

Poor Vash

Well they left those girls in

[Nabuca]

Hehe, CN forgot the rating. Anyway this is yet another great episode. I sound like a broken record, get used to it since most of them are great. I love the fight scene in this episode.

[G1Ravage]

CN put a TV-PG-SV rating up a few minutes into the episode, then took it off. A few minutes later, a TV-14 rating was up.

[G1Ravage]

Hahahahahahahaha...

They censored the toy gun.. IT WASN'T EVEN REAL!! WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM, BS&P?!

Yep, these programs are for mature auidences over the age of 18.

[Nabuca]

CN put a TV-PG-SV rating up a few minutes into the episode, then took it off. A few minutes later, a TV-14 rating was up.
Interesting tidbit about the next episode, the mayor hires two prosititues to sleep with Vash at the town celebration. Vash being the gentlemen he is, pretends to pass out. It shouldnt be edited out but WS likes to be inconsistant.

[DianaGohan]

Trigun Review "Lost July" Episode

Probably better then Yesterday's episode. The only thing I was really annoyed at was how Meryll kept going around saying "Oh my god! It's Vash the Stampede! He's cause's trouble everywhere he goes! Blah blah blah blah". Yeah, it was funny the first few times, but then just got plain annoying after awhile. Otherwise nice ep. Everything involving Vash and that women (To her having him be his bodyguard with the promise of getting anything he wanted, even though he never did, to the fight at the Hotel and him having to sleep outside on the bed, to the second fight in the Power Plant ((Espically all those dodges with her that looked like dance moves, and Vash nailing him down to the floor by shooting those blades)) and the emotional confession of her town being destroyed by him even though he does not remember it at all). I would give this episode (Despite Meryll's whining) An A.

[nothing]

could we not speculate about edits until after the bloody episode plays?! it's slightly spoilerific for people that haven't seen the series... and heaven forbid some S&P honcho or network executive sees a posting and starts asking questions.

also, i think it's established that the 18 or older disclaimers are for the network's protection - not that the programming is for mature adults. if the programming were 18+ that would allow for full nudity, really vulgar obscenities, SWEET ZOMBIE JESUS, bloody/gory violence and who knows what else.

AS is only 2 years old - and has doubled the quality of its programming. just imagine what's going to happen when AS is 6 years old...

**fifty-seven**

[Condiment King]

Trigun "Lost July"

At first, I figured that this episode wouldn't be as good as yesterday's, having a pretty weak start, but the finish was excellent and very emotional. I must admit that I saw the woman being behind the ninja attacking Vash the Stampede at every turn, a mile away. It was fairly obvious and I figured that she would come clean all the way back at him being outside the building. Nonetheless, it was still a great episode with a quite unexpected reason for her attempting to kill Vash the Stampede. It was nice to hear that Vash wasn't the one behind wiping out the town after all, and the ending was strange and new to me. All the people slowing down and those two in kinda their very own world. Kinda neat.

Grade: A-

[Amano Ginji]

*Wonders why Vash didn't die*

I'm not asking for spoilers, I'm just wondering.

:cool:

[Nabuca]

could we not speculate about edits until after the bloody episode plays?! it's slightly spoilerific for people that haven't seen the series
Fixed, ill put anything like that in spoiler brackets from now on...

[Rikou]

"I don't like sleeping with men. Especially ugly ones!"

A few minutes later...

"Actually, you're kinda cute."

:D

[JTurner954]

Tuesday's episode: Hmm, yesterday's was better but today's was good as well. Now Vash doesn't remember what happened to this destroyed city? Hmm, sounds iffy on the "can I believe that" meter. Well, if it's explained (and it probably will be), I'll be satisfied.

Overall grade: B+

[zmanjz]

Ah HA! (The plot thickens.)

I love the one-liners between Vash and... (what's her name again? that fairy-like plant engineer?)

"My room blew up, can I stay in yours?"

"But you have a bed right there." <slams shutters>

<wimpers> "that's so cold"

Now... Tonight

We enter into the 2 part-er

Vash v. the Badlads

led by the ever fashionable:

Brilliant Dynamites Neon aka: B.D.N.

[Hades]

*Wonders why Vash didn't die*

I'm not asking for spoilers, I'm just wondering.

:cool:
yeah, same here. ah well, i'm sure it will be explained later on. don't want any spoilers either.

[StrangerAtaru]

After the riviting battle with the Nebraskas, we sort of get a little more character development in this one. Actually, the first time I saw it, I was a tad more oblivious about the woman and why she was so obsessed with getting to Vash until she said so. But the whole aspect of Vash "not being a killer" is finally emphasized, as well as some clues about him that won't really be solved until later. And is it just me or do I like "Vash the Dog"?

Kuroneko Watch: The first one was a tad hard to see, but if you look at the below shot when the Sand Steamer first comes into town, you could see a Kuroneko standing in the shadow. The other one....well wasn't it obvious? (Milly lifts up trash can lid at fair, Kuroneko under it)

[serenitymoon]

*Wonders why Vash didn't die*

I'm not asking for spoilers, I'm just wondering.

:cool:
I was also left scratching my head on that one. I have a theory, but it is probably wrong... I'll just have to see.

Also when Vash ran off on them, was it me or did Meryll seem jealous? Especially when that woman Vash was bodyguarding was having him follow her around like a dog and calling him Spot... She just got all huffy and stomped off...

[Aberration]

*Wonders why Vash didn't die*

I'm not asking for spoilers, I'm just wondering.

:cool:

I'm also wondering how Vash seemingly hasn't changed much in 20 years (or however long ago it was when that girl's hometown was destroyed). I'm doing everything I can to avoid Trigun spoilers though, I want everything to be a surprise, and it's been pretty good so far.

[Nabuca]

I'm also wondering how Vash seemingly hasn't changed much in 20 years (or however long ago it was when that girl's hometown was destroyed). I'm doing everything I can to avoid Trigun spoilers though, I want everything to be a surprise, and it's been pretty good so far.
:keeps his spoilers tightly packed in his spoiler sack: Heh, that sounds pretty wrong...

[Michael]

it was a good epsode. i forgot how much i liked the series :)

[Hades]

Also when Vash ran off on them, was it me or did Meryll seem jealous? Especially when that woman Vash was bodyguarding was having him follow her around like a dog and calling him Spot... She just got all huffy and stomped off...

yeah, i was thinking the same thing. maybe Meryl has a secret crush on Vash. and you guys that know, please don't spoil it.

on a similar point i think Milly is cute :)

[Spastic Minnow]

I think it's kind of obvious that thaey're setting up a Vash/ Meryl crush. In the second episode that girl was telling Meryl that Vash was a real man and that she'd see what she talking about. Also it seems Millie is always probing her about how she feels about him. So far I think it's an unnecessary detail, but admit it does have comic possibilities.

[Will Sturnick]

A good set of episodes. Pretty much everything I have to say about episodes 5 and 6 has been said.

[SirLemming]

To sound like a stupid art teacher for a minute, I really liked the use of color in the flashback scenes. It was mostly monochrome with tints of only red and blue. That made a great atmosphere.

Lots of funny stuff and great emotional stuff -- a great episode.


And it was hilarious how the rating changed during the episode... what the heck was that?! It would've been even more hilarious if it turned TV-14 after some cleavage showed up onscreen.

[sl4]

And it was hilarious how the rating changed during the episode... what the heck was that?! It would've been even more hilarious if it turned TV-14 after some cleavage showed up onscreen.

Heh, that would have been hilarious.

I'm really glad that Trigun's on Adult Swim; I've already seen the entire series, but I barely remember it. Probably since I watched it all in 2 or 3 days on DVD four months ago. :p

Now I'm starting to remember why this show owns you all. :p

[Nabuca]

Edits: Neon's murder of crewmember shortened a bit. At least most of the blood is left in, unlike the Bebop edits. And the new AS rule is still in effect, you dont see the gun up against Kait's teeth, only the back view.

[Killtacular]

Man.. what is it with the BS&P and guns to the face? Half the time they allow it, half the time they don't. Why should it matter if it's near the head? They'd still be in the same amount of danger if it were pointed, say, at their heart instead. It's pointless editting.

[Amano Ginji]

That's it?

I don't want to wait until tomorrow to see what happens.....

;_;

At least this didn't air on Thursday.....

[DianaGohan]

Super Special Trigun Review of Episode 7 "B.D.N"

Well, it was bound to happen for even this stand alone (at least at this point) series: A cliffhanger. Even in he was in the town for 2 days (basically) you know that Vash accomplished something each episode he was in, from beating the Nebraska Brothers to saving the town from the exploding generator. However, here we have a real two parter, as Vash goes against the Badland Gang with the help of the kid who at first betrayed him but only because the Gang was forcing him to. A lot of good moments in the beginning, from Vash getting drunk at the bar to missing those prostitutes due to his hangover to believing that kid's story so easily. The middle created a lot of suspense on the viewer, as the vicious side of the gang was shown (Threathning that Captain twice with the lifes of the crew, beating up the kid when he refused to help them, killing the driver when he wouldn't speed up, etc) and the end... well, that tommorrow right? A good episode that leaves me itching for Tomorrow's: An A grade.

[Hades]

drunk Milly was hilarious. but i don't want to wait till tomorrow night to see how everything ends. bah.

[Condiment King]

Trigun "BDN"

Tonight's episode was just alright, IMO. Nothing about it stood out to me, like the past two episodes. The interlude in the middle was kind of boring to me, and the episode was really getting good and then it kinda trailed off. But it picked up at the end. The look of sorrow in Vash's eyes was somewhat comical as he decided to take in the boy though. :p It surprised me that the boy would rip the food out of Vash's hands if he really had an agenda before hand, he must have been really hungry.

All in all, I'd give this episode a B+

[Vekou]

To tell the truth, I've only been watching Trigun about every other night. I'm trying to catch up on my sleep, and plus, I have the first 22 episodes on DVD (volumes 1-7), so I can watch the episodes any time I like.

But, yeah... an actual storyline forms this week, and we get some subtle foreshadowing (er... backshadowing?) and hints about Mr. Stampede's past.

Man... Vash is so funny in the episode "Lost July" (in the non-serious parts). Non of classic lines in that episode. Also, B.D. Neon = uber badass.

[Arxane]

Something must've happened in the last couple of months to make CN feel it necessary to remove guns being pressed in people's faces and in their mouths. What's even stranger is that at the same time it's all right to see bullets emerge from a guy's back, just like in tonight's episode (that's something I seriously thought they would edit).

[JTurner954]

Wednesday's episode: This episode didn't hold my interest. Nothing great, nothing awful, just average. Maybe Part 2 will be better.

Overall grade: B-

[whitmore_sean]

Hey, they left the whores in! I love whores! What a great day!

Anyway, about this guns to the face thing...what happened in episode four? The scene where Vash walked into the saloon and all the guns were supposed to have been pointed in his face. I wasn't looking at the screen at the moment, so did they leave them in or not?

And if they didn't, then why is the exact same scene shown, WITH guns, EVERY night during the opening?



SEAN

"This is one heck of a well-prepared dead guy."
Upcoming episode...

[StrangerAtaru]

I've said it before earlier in the thread and I'll say it again: even though this is a two-parter, it really isn't one of my favorite arcs in the series. Even though it is funny to see Vash gain the sympathy of a kid who is actually telling lies to him, the whole situation just seems to lack the tension that it needed. And BDN....I guess he is just too flashy for my tastes. As for the bounds of blood, yet little snips for "guns to the face", I guess we have a few hypocrites on the editing board over as WS.

However, I guess my biggest complaint for the night was the first appearance of Rem Saverem. That voice....just didn't seem to match up to her IMHO. (trust me, when you know a little more about her, you may agree)

At least one thing is certain: Milly is cute when she's drunk!

Kuroneko Watch: One was seen a little over halfway through the episode standing near the pile of stuff BDN stole from the Sand Steamer. However, there was also a picture of a Kuroneko on the calendar where Meryl and Milly worked.

[livingfruitvirus]

I'm also wondering how Vash seemingly hasn't changed much in 20 years (or however long ago it was when that girl's hometown was destroyed). I'm doing everything I can to avoid Trigun spoilers though, I want everything to be a surprise, and it's been pretty good so far.

then i'll just say there IS a reason for it. it's not a continuity error or anything.

[raykremer]

Lost July
Damn I like that dress.

*Wonders why Vash didn't die*
I'm not asking for spoilers, I'm just wondering.
It would be a spoiler. You'll just have to keep watching.
maybe Meryl has a secret crush on Vash. and you guys that know, please don't spoil it.
...

BDN
Nothing too special. Really just set-up for the next episode.

[Michael]

it was a good epsiode. That bad guy annoys me, with the neon crap

[Spastic Minnow]

I'm also wondering how Vash seemingly hasn't changed much in 20 years (or however long ago it was when that girl's hometown was destroyed). I'm doing everything I can to avoid Trigun spoilers though, I want everything to be a surprise, and it's been pretty good so far.

Did you also notice how touchy Meryl was about her age? I guess she's older than she looks too. (That's not a spoiler, just a presumption, I've never seen the show before.)


---
I also don't like the bad guy in B.D.N. He's just an annoying sadistic bully.

[ohmrbill]

Did you also notice how touchy Meryl was about her age? I guess she's older than she looks too. (That's not a spoiler, just a presumption, I've never seen the show before.)

Well, she can’t be THAT old, since Milly did get in a clear "twenty" before being cut-off.

[Spastic Minnow]

Well, she can’t be THAT old, since Milly did get in a clear "twenty" before being cut-off.

actually, I didn't hear that. But just to defend my position I guess Millie could have been trying to say that she's "Twenty... years older than me"

[Patches]

Well, she can’t be THAT old, since Milly did get in a clear "twenty" before being cut-off.Random minor thing that was partially lost in translation of this line: Meryl is at least 21. In the Japanese, Milly got out "Nijuu--" before she was cut off. In one respect, this comes across the same as it does in English: the word "twenty" could be all you were going to say (and it was the "years old" that was getting cut off), or you could have continued lengthening the number from there. However, in Japan, 20 is a special age, and when you're 20 years old, you're referred to as being "hatachi" rather than "nijuusai". Therefore, when Milly said "nijuu--", she was not about to say simply "twenty".

(eg. "twenty years old" = "hatachi", "twenty-one years old" = "nijuuissai", "twenty-two years old" = "nijuunisai", etc.)

Yeah, kind of a pointless revelation, and I'm not terribly sure how clearly I explained it, but I thought it was a halfway interesting tidbit.

[David Lucas]

and to any of those who say this could ever have aired on Toonami, i say unto you

"Hooray!! Now we have a bunch of guns to play with!" ^_^

I personally like this episode, not just because of the awesome title, "...and between the wasteland and the sky." But there was one flaw I found in th dub, in the sub when Vash tells the kid to run out of the room immediately, he says it much more silent and monotone. I dunno why, but t he effect was pretty creepy. Still Johnny continues to amaze me, he is without a doubt the most japanese sounding American actor I've heard in anime. If (he does) spoke perfect Japanese, I would have no problem believing he was a original seiyuu, he's quite remarkable.

It was nice hearing that creepy kid from "Symphony For The Devil" and Shun from "SF Alpha" play the kid in this. His voice did get annoying at times but for the most part he was decent. The music is also pretty good in this episode, real peaceful at times.

HOLY CRAP!!!! THEY KEPT THE TUNE IN!!!!! Hooray!! They just better have the same tune for the scene with my signature. And there's Wolfwood, get ready people, things are gonna start getting more interesting.

LOVE AND PEACE!!

[Nabuca]

HOLY CRAP!!!! THEY KEPT THE TUNE IN!!!!! Hooray!! They just better have the same tune for the scene with my signature. And there's Wolfwood, get ready people, things are gonna start getting more interesting.

LOVE AND PEACE!!
Why wouldnt they keep Rem's song?
Monday: Time for Wolfwood, along with Vash's extremely long alias.

[RedBoot]

Heh...I love Kuroneko on this one. Just pops up in the "Looking into the Sunset/Sunrise" shot at the end, as if he was there the whole time. Silly cat.

Anyhoo, next week has a good set of episodes...if you liked this week, next week will blow you away.
Wolfwood times three, and Monev the Gale on Thursday!

[Amano Ginji]

Finally! I get to see this Wolfwood character I've been hearing so much about!

:cool:

[Nabuca]

Wolfwood times three, and Monev the Gale on Thursday! More like LEGATO on Thursday.

[Hades]

Finally! I get to see this Wolfwood character I've been hearing so much about!

:cool:
yeah, same here.

i still find it odd to hear the VA for Izzy (Digimon) curse.
and here i didn't think Kuroneko was going to show up in this ep, that or i thought i had missed it some how. that darn cat.

[RedBoot]

More like LEGATO on Thursday.

Yeah, yeah, him too. :p

[DianaGohan]

"And Between The Wasteland And Sky" Review. Oh, and it's from that Trigun show.

Not as good as part one, actually. Close to being as good, but there weren't as many great moments as "B.D.N". That's not to say this episode was without it's moments (At the beginning where Vash kept hitting Kite on the head while he was thinking of his dad, Vash's fight with the various Badland Gang Members, Meryll and Minnie getting the drop on the leader, the showdown between Vash and Neon at the end, and Vash remembering that woman he knew in the past due to Kite's song, which Kite take's as an insult) but there didn't seem to be the level of danger or excitement as last week's. Oh well, it's still a good episode, but more of an A-- ("The Worst Grade Imaginable!" Shut up Wornstrom! "I'll get my revenge, even if it takes another 100 years and" I said shut up you stupid old fool! Oh, sorry about that, Futurama refrence) then an A grade.

Anyway, next episode introduces Nicholas D. Wolfwood, which I hear is suppose to be one of the best characters on Trigun. Should be an intresting episode at least.

[Sheamon]

It was nice hearing that creepy kid from "Symphony For The Devil" and Shun from "SF Alpha" play the kid in this. His voice did get annoying at times but for the most part he was decent.


Al's friends in Gundam 0080 too. Of course whats really interesting to notice is that she was Elizabeth in the previous episode too :p C'mon Animaze, you don't have to be that lazy, you've got a large stock of actors -_- Oh well, its better than having Ian Hawk voice that kid too I guess :D

This week's episodes have been more enjoyable with the more serious storylines, although it still isn't really up to the hype, yet. Still has plenty of time to do it though, so I'll continue to look forward to each episode.

[Spike Mcdougal]

Since no one's noted it

WHY...ARE...YOU...GET-TING...ALL...SENTIMENTAL...ON...ME...FOR...YOU...LITTLE...SQUIRT!!!!

[Condiment King]

Trigun "And Between The Wasteland And Sky"

A far better episode than yesterday's, IMO, but still only fair over the rest. It was a nice, tidy wrap up to the storyline. The story centered on Vash and the kid, but it worked. The kid got annoying quick, but I suppose that he had well a reason to explain that. Vash is clearly no assassin. He truly cares for others and you can see that from this episode. Vash yet again pulls out amazing odds. Nice storyline. Characterization. Action.

Grade: A-

[JTurner954]

Thursday's episode: Well, I missed the first half but from what I saw it looked good. This episode seemed more action packed and intense than the other episodes were. Hmm, I wonder who that woman is.

Overall grade : B (based on the parts I didn't miss)

[Mackenzie Rainelle]

yeah, same here.

i still find it odd to hear the VA for Izzy (Digimon) curse.


Wait until Tai's voice shows up later in the series. The line where he cusses is hilarious, just because...well...it's Tai's voice saying it.

[Artemis]

Wait until Tai's voice shows up later in the series. The line where he cusses is hilarious, just because...well...it's Tai's voice saying it.

And on Monday you will hear Tentomon curse! And ya'll wanna guess who Tentomon plays?

[StrangerAtaru]

Well aside from all the obvious dub voices used in this series, yesterday's episode concluded what I consider one of the weakest arcs in the series. The kid was still somewhat in the way (except he had to find his path in the end) and I still don't like BDN! On the other hand, Vash was his typical, um, "goofy/kickbutt" self in taking down the Badlads and helping that kid out. And of course, the scene where Meryl and Milly show up shocked me again, considering that the duo had been out of the episode for quite some time in this one.

Yep, Wolfwood on Monday. And to those who haven't seen this series, trust us.....

Kuroneko Watch: One of the most spontaneous/obvious Kuronekos in the series appears right next to Vash and the kid at the end when they are on top of the train.

[raykremer]

That earring communicator is nifty, isn't it?

Not that it's news anymore, but Wolfwood on monday. And some really honkin' lost technology.

[Michael]

Since no one's noted it

WHY...ARE...YOU...GET-TING...ALL...SENTIMENTAL...ON...ME...FOR...YOU...LITTLE...SQUIRT!!!!

hahah that was the best part :D

[Amano Ginji]

That kinda creeped me when when Vash had that HUGE head when he was yelling at that kid.

:p

[Sampo]

I've been lurking on these boards for a while and I would appreciate some input to the observation I have about the last episode of Trigun.

Is it just me or this episode didn't make much sense. Ok, we have a "villain" that decides to rob a sand steamer. He wants to crash it into a ravine so the vault could be cracked open and he wants everyone to die in a spectacular manner. His gang boards the ship slaughtering a number of defenders, he blows away the engineer/pilot without a second thought because he refused orders, he threatens to kill an innocent passenger if the captain did not pilot/drive the steamer, beat the tar out a little kid for standing up to him, orders his men to execute the yellow haired guy on sight, and at the start of the duel he tried to ventilate Vash by using those mini guns on him… Yet in the end he saves them all by allowing the captain to stop the steamer and even used his escape vehicle to prevent it from flying into the ravine. Why not let Vash have a fiery death and let the steamer fly off into the depths and explode? He would then have the cash on board the steamer and a spectacular ending that he craved…

[Rikou]

I've been lurking on these boards for a while and I would appreciate some input to the observation I have about the last episode of Trigun.

Is it just me or this episode didn't make much sense. Ok, we have a "villain" that decides to rob a sand steamer. He wants to crash it into a ravine so the vault could be cracked open and he wants everyone to die in a spectacular manner. His gang boards the ship slaughtering a number of defenders, he blows away the engineer/pilot without a second thought because he refused orders, he threatens to kill an innocent passenger if the captain did not pilot/drive the steamer, beat the tar out a little kid for standing up to him, orders his men to execute the yellow haired guy on sight, and at the start of the duel he tried to ventilate Vash by using those mini guns on him… Yet in the end he saves them all by allowing the captain to stop the steamer and even used his escape vehicle to prevent it from flying into the ravine. Why not let Vash have a fiery death and let the steamer fly off into the depths and explode? He would then have the cash on board the steamer and a spectacular ending that he craved…

'Cause everyone would have been expecting that, of course. :)

And, y'know, that'd pretty much end the series righ there.

[Perfect Cell]

I must say , i love that line by Rem, your ticket is always in blank because of your future.. or something similar its such a beutifull yet true line! :) Cant wait to see Legato tooo, loved him a ton,

[Wervyn]

A more serious explanation:
At the core, even with his warped sense of logic and utter disregard for human life, BDN still has a code of honor. There are two parts to this in this case.
First, BDN has respect for things that "sparkle", for people that show real vibrance and daring. The average people on the steamer he considers quite dull. They're cowards to him, and in his opinion he's doing them a favor by bringing some flare and dazzle into their miserably boring lives. Vash, on the other hand, really shines to him, giving his well trained group a real run for their money, while injured, and showing absolutely no fear when cornered in the end. As he says, "a name defended to the death is a name worthy of respect." That is why he honors Vash's request.
The second part is a matter of personal honor. When he challenged Vash to a duel, he made a wager and a promise, that if he were to lose, he'd "stop the ship." And in the end, he not only lost, he was completely outclassed; the only reason he wasn't totally subdued was because Vash was badly injured going into the fight, and he realizes this. "I didn't even hit him, he tore his own wounds open." In Neon's mind, the only way he can retain any of his brilliance after such a defeat, even if he was the only one who could see just how badly he was beaten, is to fulfill his end of the bet. And at the same time, he makes another promise to himself. "Don't get the wrong idea, I just payed off my wager. Next time we meet, it's no holds barred. I'll take that life of yours, count on it."

"God must have saved us, it's the only explanation!"

[kaine23]

And on Monday you will hear Tentomon curse! And ya'll wanna guess who Tentomon plays?
That's it! I knew I recoginzed the kid's voice from somewhere!

So what, some the Digimon VAs graduated to Trigun or something?

[Spike Mcdougal]

And on Monday you will hear Tentomon curse! And ya'll wanna guess who Tentomon plays?

*Holds up a cross*

I have no idea ;)

[Will Sturnick]

A rather interesting set of episodes. I enjoy looking for Kuroneko every episode. The leader of the Badlads (or was it Badlands?) is the first anime character to get me dislike them that much since Vegeta when he let 18 be absorbed.

[Matt Hazuda]

Just out of curiousity even though BDN doesn't show up again in the anime does he show up later in the manga?

[JetMaster5]

Ok, that was an arkward ending. I didn't expect B.D.N to stop the train from killing people. I didn't expect he'd have honor at all.

Oh...my...god. Wolfwood wears the same outfit as Spike. He even looks similar to Spike. Hell, he even has the same color scheme as Spike. He even smokes like Spike. When I saw him in the previews, I thought it was Spike!!!

Is David Lucas voicing Wolfwood? Because if he is, then it feels like Spike is reborned again.

[Cyber E.]

Hard Puncher -
This was a fantastic episode. The begining to end was a great laugh mixed with some drama every so often. The art had some really nice parts in this episode and the dialogue was brillant. I am still laughing at the "Yelling in French" line. Another great one. A

Lost July -
This was a very dramatic and emotionally filled episode. It begins with basically all humor as many of the other episodes but then slowly works into the action part and then it drops a bombshell that was totally unexpected. The end was very touching and you could really feel it. This is one of the best episodes so far. A+

B.D.N. -
An okay episode. The villians of the episode weren't to my taste, I didn't like all the neon clothing and such. Nice to see them still balancing the action/humor thing, gives it a nice touch. The kid turning out to be "in cahoots" was suprising. A-

And Between the Wasteland and Sky-
No Review. B+

Till next week.
-aJb

[TnAdct1]

Oh...my...god. Wolfwood wears the same outfit as Spike. He even looks similar to Spike. Hell, he even has the same color scheme as Spike. He even smokes like Spike. When I saw him in the previews, I thought it was Spike!!!

Is David Lucas voicing Wolfwood? Because if he is, then it feels like Spike is reborned again.

First off, yes, Wolfwood does look a little bit like Spike. In fact, in one fanparody I saw, Wolfwood was used as a Spike double to make it look as if Vash is shooting at Spike (a la Andy as Vash's double in the Tainted Donuts AMV)

Second, as the Tentomon comments suggests, David Lucas doesn't voice Wolfwood.

Speaking of Digimon, it isn't surprising to see Digimon voice artists voicing characters from Trigun (after all, Tai also voiced Tetsuo in the recent dub of Akira). In fact, Izzy's American voice also does some voicework for South Park (including Kyle's mom from season 4+). Then there's the Japanese cast of Digimon, which I'll not get to just yet.

Joe Klemm

[Sampo]

A more serious explanation:
At the core, even with his warped sense of logic and utter disregard for human life, BDN still has a code of honor. There are two parts to this in this case.
<snip an informative response>


Hey thanks for the great feedback Wervyn. Hmm, I would never thought BDN mind would work like that.

Later.

[David Lucas]

I've been sayin that Wolfwood is Spike for weeks ^_^, the only thing that ruins it for him is the nose. Still, he is a great character, and my favorite in the series. You're in for a treat.