Terrible Animation

[Caffeine King]

No effense but I think that Home Movies has terrible animations, some of the things in the background looks like a five year old drew it.

Sorry, that's the way I feel. What do you guys think about Home Movie' animation?

[Killtacular]

I think it looks fine. The designs are tight, the backgrounds are consistent if simplistic, and the animation is getting tons better ("Shore Leave").

[The Landstander]

The animation isn't really that good (though it has gotten better, like Matt said), but that isn't what Home Movies is about. As for the backgrounds, they're supposed to be crappy.That gives the show some of its charm. I'm sure the show could spend time & money making the animation look top notch, but A) why would they and b) it would be at the expense of the excellent dialogue and comedy in the show (the real reason to watch Home Movies).

[Caffeine King]

I think it looks fine. The designs are tight, the backgrounds are consistent if simplistic, and the animation is getting tons better ("Shore Leave").
I was kinda also referring to the bad background animation in last night's episode, I forget the title, but when they are in the market and it shows apples in the background..it kinda looks like it was drawn in with crayon.

[Sheamon]

You're watching the wrong show if you're looking for high quality animation. That isn't what Home Movies is about at all. I think its pretty clear whats important to the creators and the fans, and don't need to go on any further.

EDIT: As for your second post, well we're still at the squigglevision stage of the show. Thats to be expected.

[Conekiller]

squigglevision makes me nauseous

[Caffeine King]

squigglevision makes me nauseous
Err..what's squigglevision?

[Caffeine King]

I know that shows aren't about the animation :)

I'm liknig to night episode, "Life Through A Fish Eye Lens" :cool:

I liked it when they all did the three cheers for Brendon's mom and Melissa's cell phone :p

Just to let everyone know this is one of the first times I've watched Home Movies.

[The Landstander]

Err..what's squigglevision?

In the first season squigglevision was used. It's an animation style where the lines of the characters are done purposefully...well, squiggly. To some, it is indeed sickening, but others feel it added to the show.

[Caffeine King]

In the first season squigglevision was used. It's an animation style where the lines of the characters are done purposefully...well, squiggly. To some, it is indeed sickening, but others feel it added to the show.
Oh.

Well I guess I'll have to look out for the first season episdes, I'm just wondering if you can tell the squigglevision from the other episodes?

[The Landstander]

Oh.

Well I guess I'll have to look out for the first season episdes, I'm just wondering if you can tell the squigglevision from the other episodes?

yea, the difference is really apparent. the first season is on now...when "Politics" airs next week, its a really big difference in how the animation looks.

[Captain Harlock]

I like the Squigglevision used in Home Movies and Dr. Katz. The only show I thought it didn't fit was Science Court. But anyhow, the animation really did progress in Home Movies for the better. Squigglevision has a certain unique way about it, but I wouldn't define it as Terrible.

[Caffeine King]

I like the Squigglevision used in Home Movies and Dr. Katz. The only show I thought it didn't fit was Science Court. But anyhow, the animation really did progress in Home Movies for the better. Squigglevision has a certain unique way about it, but I wouldn't define it as Terrible.
If they used squigglevision in Science Court then I've seen it before, I'm referring to squigglevision.

I don't really mind it... :p I used to love Science Court..what happened to it..all I know is that some of the characters from it are in Home Movies..which ones are they? :cool:

[Oglethorpe]

squigglevision worked better on Dr. Katz, i think.... or maybe it's just that once you've gotten used to the episodes in flash, it's tough to go back to squigglevision... even if season one was better

it's kind of like watching an episode of ST: TNG, and then immediately watching an episode from the original series. no matter how much better the original show is, it still will look bad in comparison visually

but Home Movies is not about "good" animation, it's all about dialogue, specifically, banter

[ohmrbill]

It seems that ever since The Simpsons, America's been on this "crude drawings = funny" kick.

Not that I mind it; it's just something I've noticed.

[JetMaster5]

That's because crude drawings = success. Look at South Park.

[Zechs]

Um I culd be wrong but isn't that apart of the whole joke. To me it makes it funnier that it's drawn bad.

[Jake]

I wouldn't change the animation a bit. Sure, I wouldn't want to see those kind of backgrounds in, say, Cowboy Bebop, but for Home Movies it just fits, plain and simple.

It seems that ever since The Simpsons, America's been on this "crude drawings = funny" kick.

I disagree, It's not like I see a building that's out of proportion and start laughing my ass off or anything. But think of Home Movies in general, it's all off the wall...would regular designs even fit in with the rest?

[bassist]

That's because crude drawings = success.It's not a matter of success. The "crappy" style is a search for individuality. There's a reason why each cartoon from Jacky Chan Adventures to Powerpuff Girls to Samurai Jack to Baby Blues to Rescue Heroes and on all have different styles. The artists that draw them want to have a recognizable style. When we see something by Matt Groening, we know it's him because of how it's draw. This can only happen with animation. Most TV you can't tell who did what because it's all the same. Anime is identical across the board.

The problem is that it's hard to fins people who can draw in the same style consistently, so sometimes you have to give up a little to get that individuality.

[Mynd Hed]

I'm sure the show could spend time & money making the animation look top notch, but A) why would they and b) it would be at the expense of the excellent dialogue and comedy in the show (the real reason to watch Home Movies).

Where do you get the idea that higher-quality animation would have to mean lower-quality dialogue and comedy? I agree that Home Movies has no particular need for better animation, especially after they made the much-welcomed (by me, anyway) switch from Squigglevision to Flash, but I don't see how higher-quality animation would make the dialogue less funny in any way. I can understand why some people feel that the show got less humorous when they made the switch away from retroscripting, but that decision had nothing to do with the switch away from Squigglevision to my knowledge.


Anyway, I'm with just about everyone else on this one: yes, the animation on Home Movies may seem ugly to some (for what it's worth, I'm one of them) but it's the dialogue that makes it funny, not the animation or the art style. With only one or two minor exceptions, there really aren't any sight gags in Home Movies-- you could watch an entire episode with your eyes closed and you'd probably get just as much enjoyment out of it.

It seems that ever since The Simpsons, America's been on this "crude drawings = funny" kick.

The character design on the Simpsons may be a tad... wierd, but actually the animation isn't bad, and a lot of the early stuff was pretty darn good for its time. Listen to the commentary tracks on the DVDs sometime, Groening and Co. will laugh at how groundbreaking some of the lighting effects were back in the day and how they look like nothing special at all by today's standards.

[The Landstander]

Where do you get the idea that higher-quality animation would have to mean lower-quality dialogue and comedy? I agree that Home Movies has no particular need for better animation, especially after they made the much-welcomed (by me, anyway) switch from Squigglevision to Flash, but I don't see how higher-quality animation would make the dialogue less funny in any way. I can understand why some people feel that the show got less humorous when they made the switch away from retroscripting, but that decision had nothing to do with the switch away from Squigglevision to my knowledge.


hmm...actually i guess it really doesn't. sorry, i was just trying to enforce my point that the animation doesn't make the show.

[Misato Tanaka]

somebody wanna fill me in on what exactly "retroscripting" is? :blossom:

[sl4]

somebody wanna fill me in on what exactly "retroscripting" is? :blossom:

Retroscripting is Soup2Nuts' trademarked style of improvising shows instead of scripting them. Before each recording session, the voice actors are given a brief idea of what the scene is about, and they just wing it from there.

[ohmrbill]

Anime is identical across the board.

Now that couldn't be farther from the truth. The differences may not also be as blatant as they are with American animation, but each artist doest have their own unique style. And even then, there are many that are immediately identifiable. For example, designs by Akira Toriyama, Satoshi Urushihara, or Hayao Miyazaki are all easily distinguishable.

[Zechs]

I agree with ohmrbill not all anime is the same. Also manga is another good source to see many many many diffrent styles of art.

[livingfruitvirus]

Now that couldn't be farther from the truth. The differences may not also be as blatant as they are with American animation, but each artist doest have their own unique style. And even then, there are many that are immediately identifiable. For example, designs by Akira Toriyama, Satoshi Urushihara, or Hayao Miyazaki are all easily distinguishable.

you talk about unique anime style and not list Keiichi Satou (Big O).

[ohmrbill]

you talk about unique anime style and not list Keiichi Satou (Big O).

That's because I didn't know his name. :p