Bushs War Speech (Ultimatum Speech)

[Zach Logan]

Well the Bush speech will be read in 5 minutes. It will probably a list an Ultimatum, and announce when we will go to war. What do you think about this? :confused:

"He has 48 hours to leave power" -CNN

[Duelist]

:eek: some of the most lethal weopons ever divised....*hides* I DON'T WANT TO GO TO WAR!!!! :(

[Duelist]

"They've been rotating in and out!" - Ted Koppel

[Parallax]

Eh, nothing unexpected really.

[The Guard]

I like the part where he told the Iraqi soldiers not to fight. And talked about rebuilding Iraq. I'm sure the message got through nice and clear on the other end.

[randomguy]

48 hours... wow. That's climactic, and I didn't expect it. Hussein won't take it, I imagine, but I pray to God that he'll take the ultimatum. It's our last shot at peace as a globe, and I REALLY want it to happen. It's all we have left. I'm glad Bush did give the ultimatum instead of declaring war outright. I don't know why, but somehow or another, it pleased me that he did that.

Ugh... my head hurts. I just don't know how to feel about it, and it's been bothering me a lot. I just feel weird. A little afraid, strangely depressed, very contemplative, but overall, just... weird. I can tell you that I'm going to be a doing a whole lot of thinking over the coming days. The Cafe might be my only posting spot for awhile, because Adult Swim and videogames and Batman don't seem worthy of my attention for the time being.

[Elven Moon]

I feel weird, too. I don't know how to feel, exactly. Should I be scared? Worried? Regretful? Angry? I'm so confused! My sister and her boyfriend say 48 hours is too long - it should've been 24 to show we were really serious.

[BeastBoyWonder]

God... lives are not an expendable resource, but Bush is treating them like something that can be spent and thrown away. The killing of innocents is never acceptable, and should never be condoned. History has clearly demonstrated that in a war, nobody wins... therefore, armed means should be used only as a last resort when all other methods of diplomacy fail. Sure, Bush may just be bluffing to oust Saddam with little effort, but it is a very large risk to take for his already low credibility.

The fact that Iraq is being singled out in terms of repressive regimes is absolutely absurd, and the President's thinly veiled true motives are rather transparent. When we are in the middle of a budget crises and losing are oldest and closest allies, the focus of Congress should not be on whether to change the name of "French Fries" to "Freedom Fries". The government is acting extraordinarly childish, and I hope that this behavior does not continue into the future.

[Weatherman]

Sadly Steel, you make sense to me. Anyone who know's me well would probably be shocked by that statement.

So war is thrust upon us by our own leaders who don't even seem to want to adress any of the concerns that anyone has rasied about this war. I think the words of This Is Otakudom fir here.

"We're *bleep*ed!" :(

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Ehhh, giving him the option to essentially "leave" Iraq isn't the brightest idea around, George...

A stationary Saddam is a less dangerous Saddam. But an invisible, cheesed off one...

HEY DUBDUBDUBDUBBYABEE, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DEFEND AMERICA, NOT LEAVE IT EVEN MORE VULNERABLE, GENIUS!

Not that I think Saddam will listen, but damn if that's an even worse alternative to war in my mind.

[Chris Wood]

Where would Saddam go anyway? I don't imagine anyone welcoming him in. That ultimatum was just for show.

[cross blues]

I agree, the ultimatum was nothing but a speech to make America (Bush) seem tough. Why chase Saddam out of Iraq? What if 10 of his "clones" leave and he stays? They have to keep him in the country to kill him, it's that simple. It's time to quit screwing around and get this thing on. Bush can't make the same mistake his dad did and allow Saddam to live longer.

"Let the ass kicking commence." - can you believe something that profound is printed on my No Fear t-shirt :rolleyes: seriously though, it's time to go to war. No more hollow threats, no more bluffing, just an all out invasion.

[Lucky Bob]

Originally posted by Desslar
Where would Saddam go anyway? I don't imagine anyone welcoming him in. That ultimatum was just for show.


North Korea said they would.

http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/061/nation/Arab_leaders_skirt_proposal_calling_for_Hussein_s_exile+.shtml

[Chris Wood]

Originally posted by luckybob1985
North Korea said they would.

http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/061/nation/Arab_leaders_skirt_proposal_calling_for_Hussein_s_exile+.shtml

OK, but how would he get to North Korea in 48 hours without getting caught? He'd have to be a regular Houdini.

[Opaque]

yeah North Korea isn't bad enough... lets allow Sadam to go there :rolleyes: ... Bush is not thinking this through... he needs to have Sadam turn himself in... not go somewhere else...

[Lucky Bob]

I thought it was a great speech, spot on! He made it very clear that the Security Counsel has failed and that we retain the right to act in our safety. I loved the part where he talked about letting the terrorists attack us first. "Suicide". FINALLY somebody said it.

Besides, the terrorists have already attacked us first. Should we let them attack every time before we take action? That's a chess game that everyone loses.

I'm glad we finally have a Prez with some guts. Let's roll.

[Disco Pete]

I was just thinking, if the leaders of nations went to the front lines with the troops and put THEIR OWN lives on the line as well, there would probably be less war in the world.

LIVES ARE NOT A RENEWABLE RESOURCE! Once a person's dead, nothing can bring him back. A unique creation of God/Goddess/Budda/whatever has been destroyed and cannot be replaced. But Presidents and other world leaders tend to think they are, simply because THEIR lives are some of the most protected in the world.

I have no respect for George W. Bush. May the ghosts of our nation's fallen haunt him until the day he dies.

I am not anti-American. I'm proud to be a US citizen, and thankful for all the rights that go with being a US citizen, including the right to disagree with the government of the United States. And if I could, I would join those soldiers of our nation, because I believe in America, even if America's leaders are a little rotten.

I know a lot of people these days think being against your government is anti-American, and that people like me MUST be an Iraqi spy or working for al-Queda or the Taliban, but disagreeing with your government when you believe they're wrong is probably the most American thing you could do. Remember that the founders of this nation disagreed with their nation. Fortunately, our nation is more likely to listen to the arguments of the people than the British government of the 1700's.

I'm sorry if this rant is long, and a little off-topic. For the last few months I've tried desperately to avoid Iraq/Bush/War-type discussions on the various forums I visit, but now I've reached my breaking point and it just sorta flooded out.

[Scythemantis]

Originally posted by Disco Pete

I have no respect for George W. Bush. May the ghosts of our nation's fallen haunt him until the day he dies.


Same here.

[Chris Wood]

Originally posted by luckybob1985
[B]Besides, the terrorists have already attacked us first. Should we let them attack every time before we take action?

The terrorists did attack us first. The question is what that has to do with conquering Iraq. Surely our time would be better spent hunting down the Al Queda gang.

I'm glad we finally have a Prez with some guts. Let's roll.

Guts are fine, but dangerous without brains to match. And it's a slippery slope down which we are about to roll.

[Lucky Bob]

Originally posted by Desslar
The terrorists did attack us first. The question is what that has to do with conquering Iraq. Surely our time would be better spent hunting down the Al Queda gang.

If you didn't take the time to read the posts I made aobut the reports of the Al-Qaeda/Saddam connections, I'm not even going to honor that with a response.


Guts are fine, but dangerous without brains to match. And it's a slippery slope down which we are about to roll.


Just like Afghanistan. :rolleyes:


BTW, to those who say they they don't respect Bush, I'd check the F.A.Q. again:

3. Be substantive, not merely satirical. Politicians as politicians are a proper target for ridicule, and we here at Toon Zone make no brief for them. However, mocking a politician is not the same as arguing against his or her positions, and is a cheap substitute for them. Note also that mocking a politician is a good way to anger and inflame other posters who like, respect, or admire that politician. Remember, do not seek to inflame or aggravate your fellow posters.

I hate to tattle, but I'm tired of the Bush-bashing. France-bashing has gotten vetoed (no pun intended), so can we quit the U.S./Bush bashing?

[wonderfly]

Originally posted by Disco Pete


I have no respect for George W. Bush. May the ghosts of our nation's fallen haunt him until the day he dies.





Originally posted by Scythemantis
Same here.



And may the ghosts of Iraq's innocent people tortured and killed by Saddam's regime haunt you two until the day you die. Cause if we let people like you run things, then tyrants all over the world would get to continue butchering innocent people, and the U.S. would just sit in the corner sucking it's thumb.

While we're add it, let's add on the the ghosts of American's fallen soldiers. May they haunt you till you die as well! Here they fought for your freedom, and all you can do in return is make a mockery of thier achievments. You need to understand that you live in freedom because of strong leaders like Bush who are willing to fight for ideals such as Freedom and Democracy.

I swear, I've reached my boiling point! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Damien]

I think Wonderfly pretty much said it right there.

One more thing, though. All of you who "Bush-bash" better grab some legitimate reasons. You making him sound like some cold-blooded war dog shows that you haven't paid attention to one word he's said. How many of you actually watched the speech?

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by wonderfly
And may the ghosts of Iraq's innocent people tortured and killed by Saddam's regime haunt you two until the day you die. Cause if we let people like you run things, then tyrants all over the world would get to continue butchering innocent people, and the U.S. would just sit in the corner sucking it's thumb.

While we're add it, let's add on the the ghosts of American's fallen soldiers. May they haunt you till you die as well! Here they fought for your freedom, and all you can do in return is make a mockery of thier achievments. You need to understand that you live in freedom because of strong leaders like Bush who are willing to fight for ideals such as Freedom and Democracy.
Hey cailm down. I understand your point. You want Bush to fight aginst monsters like Saddam but the other side is that strong leaders like Bush put him there in the first place to protect not the US people nor the Iraqi people but intrest of their own.

Also I think the goverment is a bigger mockery of their achievment them I am. Think about it they are going to give their life to put down the creation of past US goverments and the US won't even admit it was wrong back then.

[Lucky Bob]

Originally posted by Psycho Fox
Hey cailm down. I understand your point. You want Bush to fight aginst monsters like Saddam but the other side is that strong leaders like Bush put him there in the first place to protect not the US people nor the Iraqi people but intrest of their own.

Also I think the goverment is a bigger mockery of their achievment them I am. Think about it they are going to give their life to put down the creation of past US goverments and the US won't even admit it was wrong back then.

If we "put him in", as you say, doesn't it make sense that we should "take him out?"

[Clayface]

OK, just want to poke my head in here and let people know this thread is being watched closely. Tempers are flaring up quickly here, and if it continues, the thread will be closed. Luckybob has already said this, but I'll repeat it, so its "official": follow the rules (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?threadid=52891) . Specifically:


3. Be substantive, not merely satirical. Politicians as politicians are a proper target for ridicule, and we here at Toon Zone make no brief for them. However, mocking a politician is not the same as arguing against his or her positions, and is a cheap substitute for them. Note also that mocking a politician is a good way to anger and inflame other posters who like, respect, or admire that politician. Remember, do not seek to inflame or aggravate your fellow posters.


There are a number of statements in this thread that are close to violating that rule, and one or two that outright break it. Be careful where you tread.

[wonderfly]

Originally posted by Psycho Fox
Hey cailm down. I understand your point. You want Bush to fight aginst monsters like Saddam but the other side is that strong leaders like Bush put him there in the first place to protect not the US people nor the Iraqi people but intrest of their own.

Also I think the goverment is a bigger mockery of their achievment them I am. Think about it they are going to give their life to put down the creation of past US goverments and the US won't even admit it was wrong back then.


Pardon my overzealousness...yes, my blood preasure's returned to normal levels now....you know me from my posts Fox, that's probably the most angry I've been in sometime.

Seriously though, I found the comment to be in poor taste. It's one thing to disagree with a government's policy, and to protest that government's policy to a point if fine as well. But part of me believes that when it's time to send American troops into the field, it's at that point that we need to rally around our president. That's the time when we need the most unity; it's not the time to be saying comments like "May Bush be haunted by ghosts of the fallen" etc. Cause #1: it's distasteful to our President and #2: It's disrespectful to our military, who are fighting for Americans, even for Americans who say stupid things like that.

You, Fox, on the other hand are a little different. You're Canadian for starters. And you and the other "out of country" residents here at Toonzone: feel free to say what you want about America. Others will debate and/or refute it with you, but you're not an American, so you can say what you want about us. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. We can agree to disagree. But the level of UnAmericanism from some people who are residents of this country can sometimes strike me as being in poor taste after a while.

Furthermore, you, (even though you're a confirmed leftist ;) ) state your opinions well, (for the most part). And that's all I ever really ask for from debaters here in the Cafe. But some others comments are really starting to get on my nerves.

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by wonderfly
Pardon my overzealousness...yes, my blood preasure's returned to normal levels now....you know me from my posts Fox, that's probably the most angry I've been in sometime.

Seriously though, I found the comment to be in poor taste. It's one thing to disagree with a government's policy, and to protest that government's policy to a point if fine as well. But part of me believes that when it's time to send American troops into the field, it's at that point that we need to rally around our president. That's the time when we need the most unity; it's not the time to be saying comments like "May Bush be haunted by ghosts of the fallen" etc. Cause #1: it's distasteful to our President and #2: It's disrespectful to our military, who are fighting Americans, even for Americans who say stupid things like that.

I have to agree it was worded badly and I do get loose it too from.


You, Fox, on the other hand are a little different. You're Canadian for starters. And you and the other "out of country" residents here at Toonzone: feel free to say what you want about America. Others will debate and/or refute it with you, but you're not an American, so you can say what you want about us. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. We can agree to disagree. But the level of UnAmericanism from some people who are residents of this country can sometimes strike me as being in poor taste after a while.While that statement was unAmerican, questioning the US it not, nor is having views that counter to US policy.

Furthermore, you, (even though you're a confirmed leftist ;) ) state your opinions well, (for the most part). And that's all I ever really ask for from debaters here in the Cafe. But some others comments are really starting to get on my nerves. I'm a leftist (who knew :cool: )

[Chris Wood]

Originally posted by wonderfly
[B]And may the ghosts of Iraq's innocent people tortured and killed by Saddam's regime haunt you two until the day you die.

This war is not about promoting greater civil rights in Iraq. Bush could care less about that. He wants to play kingmaker. Whether that's a good thing or not is another issue.

Cause if we let people like you run things, then tyrants all over the world would get to continue butchering innocent people, and the U.S. would just sit in the corner sucking it's thumb.

Well, that is what happens most of the time.

While we're add it, let's add on the the ghosts of American's fallen soldiers. May they haunt you till you die as well! Here they fought for your freedom, and all you can do in return is make a mockery of thier achievments. You need to understand that you live in freedom because of strong leaders like Bush who are willing to fight for ideals such as Freedom and Democracy.

America's fallen soldiers gave their lives to make this country and perhaps the world around it a better place. They didn't throw away their lives (well most of the time) for some imperialist pipe dream. We live in freedom because of intelligent leadership, not randomly violent and antagonistic leadership.

I swear, I've reached my boiling point! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Yeah, me too. Bush is a pro at making people see red.

[TimTwoFace]

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