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wonderfly
03-17-2003, 11:02 AM
This is it guys! Just in on breaking news, the White House is saying "The Diplomatic Window is closed" and Bush is going to address the nation tonight.

Look for War to start within the next 3 days or so, I suspect, (but I could be wrong).

Here's the news just in:

"BREAKING NEWS
NBC, MSNBC AND NEWS SERVICES

March 17 — The United States declared Monday that the diplomatic window “has closed” for a peaceful resolution to the Iraq showdown and that President Bush will address the nation later on Monday. At the United Nations, the United States and its allies withdrew a resolution that would have paved the way for U.N. authorization for war, having failed to persuade key members to support the measure.

IN AN APPARENT last-ditch effort to avoid war, Iraqi President Saddam Hussein was quoted by state television as telling a diplomat from Tunisia that his government had weapons of mass destruction in the past, but no longer possessed them.
It appeared, however, that his declaration would have little effect on the United States and it allies, which have been preparing the world for a war to disarm Saddam.
Monday’s fast-paced developments began when British Ambassador Jeremy Greenstock said at the United Nations that the three co-sponsors of the U.N. resolution to disarm Iraq — Britain, the United States and Spain — were not going to call for a vote of the Security Council because one council member had threatened to veto it. Although he did not mention it, the reference appeared to be to France.
The resolution would have authorized war anytime after Monday unless Iraq proved before then that it had disarmed.

WHITE HOUSE COMMENT
Weeks of intense diplomacy and pressure from the Bush administration failed to convince a majority of the council’s 15 members that the time for war had come.
In an effort to change members’ positions, Britain offered some amendments but council members weren’t swayed.
Shortly after the U.N. Security Council met on Monday morning, White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said, “The diplomatic window has closed as a result of the U.N.’s failure to enforce it’s own resolutions for Saddam to disarm.”
He declined to say whether Saddam would be given a deadline in President Bush’s speech, set for 8 p.m. ET. “I will not get into any discussions about when military hostilities may or may not begin,” he said.

AZORES WARNING
The last push toward war began on Sunday, when Bush met his allies from Britain, Spain and Portugal at a summit in the Azores.
“We hope tomorrow the U.N. will do its job,” Bush said at a news conference. “Tomorrow is a moment of truth for the world.”
First thing Monday, several top administration officials filed into the White House. The group included Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, Attorney General John Ashcroft, Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge and FBI Director Robert Mueller.
As the U.S. warning came, Germany announced it was closing its embassy in Baghdad and that its chargé d’affairs was heading for Jordan. The embassies of China and the Czech Republic were also ordered evacuated.
Britain advised all of its citizens except diplomatic staff to leave Kuwait as soon as possible, citing a potential threat from Iraq. The United States ordered all government dependents and nonessential staff out of Kuwait, Syria, Israel and the West Bank and Gaza.
In Baghdad, store owners moved their merchandise to the relative safety of warehouses, fearing bombs and looting if a war starts, while residents flooded markets to stock up on food and taped their windows to guard against flying glass.
Foreign journalists also began clearing out of Iraq. NBC News confirmed that its six-member crew had reached Amman, while two ABC News journalists were reportedly leaving the Iraq capital. China’s official Xinhua news agency said six Chinese reporters were leaving: two from Xinhua, three from Chinese state television and one from an unidentified Hong Kong news outlet.
A week ago, there were 450 foreign journalists in Baghdad. On Monday, the number was down to 300, the Information Ministry said.




LATE SUNDAY ADVICE
Early Monday, Mohammed ElBaradei, head of the International Atomic Energy Agency, announced that the United States had advised his team to leave Baghdad.
He said the recommendation to pull out was given late Sunday night both to his Vienna-based agency hunting for atomic weaponry and to the New York-based teams looking for biological and chemical weapons.
He said U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan and the Security Council were informed and that the council would take up the issue later Monday.
U.N. officials told Reuters that the inspectors will recommend that the monitors be pulled out in the next 24 hours.
Most of the teams’ helicopters already have left Iraq because their insurance was canceled, chief U.N. inspector Hans Blix said, and the personnel level was low because of a scheduled rotation home.
The teams, which returned to Iraq on Nov. 27 after a nearly four-year absence, drew up contingency plans to evacuate even before their redeployment.
NBC: Afghans fear they will be forgotten
Also Monday, Blix was preparing to give the Security Council a 30-page report listing about a dozen key remaining disarmament tasks that Iraq should complete in the coming months.





PAST EXPERIENCE
Inspectors have experience in getting out of Iraq in a hurry: In December 1998, they pulled out on the eve of U.S.-British airstrikes amid allegations that Baghdad was not cooperating with the teams.
There have been some concerns that the Iraqis might hold the inspectors as human shields in case of a conflict. But Iraq’s foreign minister appeared to play down those fears in a live television interview on the al-Arabiya Arabic satellite channel Sunday night.
“The inspectors came by a decision of the Security Council, which decides on their departure,” Naji Sabri said.
ElBaradei told the nuclear agency’s 35-nation governing board Monday that he was worried about the safety of the teams, yet still held out hope that war could be averted.


“Naturally the safety of our staff remains our primary consideration at this difficult time,” he said. “I earnestly hope — even at this late hour — that a peaceful resolution of the issue can be achieved, and that the world can be spared a war.”
ElBaradei, who has been monitoring the situation day to day, also confirmed that he and Blix had received an invitation from Baghdad “to visit Iraq with a view toward accelerating the implementation of our respective mandates.” He did not say whether he or Blix had accepted.
“I should note that in recent weeks, possibly as a result of increasing pressure by the international community, Iraq has been more forthcoming in its cooperation with the IAEA,” he said, adding that inspectors still have found no evidence that Saddam Hussein has revived his nuclear program.



OTHER DEVELOPMENTS
Prime Minister Tony Blair has called an emergency Cabinet meeting on the crisis Monday, with a decision on military action drawing close. Also, the government’s top legal adviser, Attorney General Lord Goldsmith, said war on Iraq would be legal on the grounds of existing U.N. resolutions.
A former Iraqi army chief, Nizar al-Khazraji, disappeared from his Danish home on Monday, defying a court ruling restricting his movements to prevent him avoiding a possible trial for war crimes, the state prosecutor said. “The only thing we know for sure is that he has disappeared. He probably left his flat this morning,” state prosecutor Birgitte Vestberg told Reuters.
Australia has made no decision to join a U.S.-led attack on Iraq but is much more likely to be involved in a war than it was a week ago, Prime Minister John Howard said. An attack would be legal without a further U.N. resolution, Howard said.
Finland said on Monday it would expel three Iraqi diplomats working at the Iraqi embassy in Helsinki, making it the latest country to send home diplomats following a request from the United States.

NBC’s Andrea Mitchell at the United Nations, The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report. "

Outlander00
03-17-2003, 11:08 AM
Great :rolleyes:

Reed Richards
03-17-2003, 11:43 AM
oh boy. this president wants to waste yet ANOTHER hour or two of my precious primetime.

I'm sure he'll just rehash the SAME arguments over and over-- you know the ones hes been inneffectually making for months now.

Why he doesn't just trot Tony Blair out to make the case I dont know-- Tony's made it more times than god, yet bush sticks to his rove-prepared lame script.

czyznyck99
03-17-2003, 11:49 AM
This situation has officially become very serious. Until this, the talks of war, the insulting of allies like France, the inspectors of the UN, had been a complete joke. By that, I mean that it was all talk and little action. Bush had this deadline set weeks ago, and he was going to act on it. It sucks, but it wasn't unexpected. He has ignored a large portion of the American public in the process, and it will cost him in the end. It really disturbs me that war is always a viable solution, and now, it is going to be the solution.

Later...I hope :( .

JustJack
03-17-2003, 11:59 AM
......Saddam doesn't want war, and he's trying to make it sound like he has no other place to go. "I have no weapons, what else do you want me to do?" So...I dunno. And don't start acting like I'm trying to support Saddam, either. He's a psychotic murderer. Whether he does or doesn't, this is a stupid stupid thing, war is crap, and bush is as much of a stupid muppet as ever. Sorry for being so "insulting" towards our nation...and no, I dont know every little news bit, but this is still the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Bush like's dead people....that's all I can see about this. Uhg....

wonderfly
03-17-2003, 12:05 PM
Man...and here I was getting ready to celebrate, but all the posts here so far are downers...

I mean, Finally! Enough of this doubletalk and political innuendo! It's time to show Saddam we mean business! Let's take it to him and show him he can't ignore the U.S. of A.!

JustJack
03-17-2003, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by wonderfly
Man...and here I was getting ready to celebrate, but all the posts here so far are downers...

I mean, Finally! Enough of this doubletalk and political innuendo! It's time to show Saddam we mean business! Let's take it to him and show him he can't ignore the U.S. of A.!

Haha, sorry man. I guess only us Anti-War passivists are online right now. :p ;)

jeffrey 228
03-17-2003, 12:15 PM
Well I have listening since last night and I bet it will get even worst since they have finily called it finial and are doing no more resultions from here on in.

wonderfly
03-17-2003, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by JustJack
Haha, sorry man. I guess only us Anti-War passivists are online right now. :p ;)

Yeah, I know. I don't mind opposing points of view, but here I am getting ready to say to everyone "Hell, yeah! It's about time!" And I get you bunch of sad faces. :rolleyes: ;)

Barb Gordon
03-17-2003, 01:00 PM
Hell yeah.

There ya go ;)

I'm not for war entirely, but I support my president. And it seems that we've had more then enough time in giving Iraq more time, in giving the inspectors more time, in giving France and others more time. Enough is enough. Just do it already if you're going to do something. We've been dragging our feet long enough on the issue, either for or against, and the arguments seem weak. I'm glad a decision, for either way, will finally be made.

Man, and I have Peace Studies today...can't wait to see what the anti-war people in class are going to be saying this afternoon.

~Barb

Reed Richards
03-17-2003, 01:21 PM
Originally posted by wonderfly
Man...and here I was getting ready to celebrate, but all the posts here so far are downers...

I mean, Finally! Enough of this doubletalk and political innuendo! It's time to show Saddam we mean business! Let's take it to him and show him he can't ignore the U.S. of A.!


i dont meant to be a jerk about this but there are some slight flaws to your statement:

1. Double Talk and Innuendo. Bush and his people have been just as engaged in this as has France. Bush said he wanted to see everyones cards and that there WOULD BE A VOTE in the UN one last time. He played chicken with the French on this issue and lost. So much for them being cowards eh? :p

2. Saddamn can't ignore the US of A. Well, no he cant, but we arent the ones he shouldnt be ignoring. He shouldnt be ignoring the international concensus that he MUST DISARM AND CEASE his atrocities against his own people. The word of the international community should carry far greater weight than our own.

wonderfly
03-17-2003, 01:41 PM
Originally posted by Reed Richards
i dont meant to be a jerk about this but there are some slight flaws to your statement:

1. Double Talk and Innuendo. Bush and his people have been just as engaged in this as has France. Bush said he wanted to see everyones cards and that there WOULD BE A VOTE in the UN one last time. He played chicken with the French on this issue and lost. So much for them being cowards eh? :p

2. Saddamn can't ignore the US of A. Well, no he cant, but we arent the ones he shouldnt be ignoring. He shouldnt be ignoring the international concensus that he MUST DISARM AND CEASE his atrocities against his own people. The word of the international community should carry far greater weight than our own.

1. Well, I'm talking about the Double talk on both sides. True, I'm prowar, you're not, but watching these politicians go round and round the issue, when we know they're not going to come to a consensus, (that's what the U.N. is for, but that doesn't mean the U.N. always works). I was just tired of it all. As Barb Gordon said, it's time for us to make a decision.

2. I think the international community has told him several times to disarm. Everyone just disagrees on how to best to enforce that. Bush just got tired of the U.N. not enforcing what it has clearly told Iraq to do. Like I said, I'm sick of the talk. That's all the U.N. has done: talk. It's time to see if our words stand for anything.

Lucky Bob
03-17-2003, 01:57 PM
Originally posted by Reed Richards
oh boy. this president wants to waste yet ANOTHER hour or two of my precious primetime.

I'm sure he'll just rehash the SAME arguments over and over-- you know the ones hes been inneffectually making for months now.

Why he doesn't just trot Tony Blair out to make the case I dont know-- Tony's made it more times than god, yet bush sticks to his rove-prepared lame script.

......Saddam doesn't want war, and he's trying to make it sound like he has no other place to go. "I have no weapons, what else do you want me to do?" So...I dunno. And don't start acting like I'm trying to support Saddam, either. He's a psychotic murderer. Whether he does or doesn't, this is a stupid stupid thing, war is crap, and bush is as much of a stupid muppet as ever. Sorry for being so "insulting" towards our nation...and no, I dont know every little news bit, but this is still the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Bush like's dead people....that's all I can see about this. Uhg....

I'm glad some around here are anti-war and not anti-American or anti-Bush. :rolleyes:

If you don't like Bush or his policies, fine. But after Ein's post got a trouncing, I think it's unwise that we should resort to inflammatory posts against the U.S. If we're going to do it for France, we shouldn't discriminate.

Catlover
03-17-2003, 02:19 PM
I'm half and half right now. I'm pro-war, but what scares me is that we'll go in and drag are feet. what I really wish bush would announce the war two days after we start fighting, so that way saddam would'nt be watching CNN and and attack first before we start.

JustJack
03-17-2003, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by luckybob1985
I'm glad some around here are anti-war and not anti-American or anti-Bush. :rolleyes:

If you don't like Bush or his policies, fine. But after Ein's post got a trouncing, I think it's unwise that we should resort to inflammatory posts against the U.S. If we're going to do it for France, we shouldn't discriminate.


:rolleyes:
All I'm saying is our president has made a lot of dumb decisions on this war, expecting things to happen which aren't, and that's what's getting us all in trouble. And I dont care if someone else got attacked for that point of view, it's my point of view. *shrug*

I see no point is supporting someone who doesn't know exactly what he's doing when he does it.

Clayface
03-17-2003, 02:46 PM
Welp, I'll just add my own "Hell yeah!" :D

I'm tired of the talk, and the delay tactics. I'm glad to see action finally taking place. 'Bout dang time, IMO.

ZorBrak
03-17-2003, 02:57 PM
W00T. HELLS YEAH I want Saddam out. The only way this will happen is war people. I Wasn't sure about it for a real long time and I'm not W's biggest fan, but hell yeah, with all the BS that's been going on in my life lately the last thing I'll allow is some beer bellied, stupid, P.O.S., first cousin loving dicatator to think he's going to kill me from a little silo thousands of miles away all while I have to deal with this other crap around here. HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELL No! He can bit my bullet and kiss my ass! let's go take these scum bags OUT.

Sumi_Masen
03-17-2003, 03:10 PM
Originally posted by czyznyck99
He has ignored a large portion of the American public in the process, and it will cost him in the end. It really disturbs me that war is always a viable solution, and now, it is going to be the solution.

Later...I hope :( .

Ignored the public? Do you mean people not wanting to go to war? 80% of the nation wants to kick Saddam's rear. War sucks, though. Especially when practically all of your close family is in the military. :(

Lucky Bob
03-17-2003, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by JustJack
:rolleyes:
All I'm saying is our president has made a lot of dumb decisions on this war, expecting things to happen which aren't, and that's what's getting us all in trouble. And I dont care if someone else got attacked for that point of view, it's my point of view. *shrug*

I see no point is supporting someone who doesn't know exactly what he's doing when he does it.

You gotta admit, he's handling it better than the "other" guy would have.

Alaskanbullworm
03-17-2003, 03:33 PM
All I can say is.......FINALLY! Now Saddy will get his ass kicked out and hopefully fast so our soldiers will come back to our families. All of these distractions were keeping those soldiers away from families. I support Bush, so I can say "We're baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!"

Leaping Larry Jojo
03-17-2003, 04:40 PM
I'm 100% against war, but I knew he was going for it from the beginning, so just get it over with already. I knew that dealing with Bush was like dealing with a brick wall, so just get on with it.

At any rate, dust is going to get blown up, the U.S. will win, MAYBE Saddam will be out or maybe he won't, and a couple of months from now, Iraq will still be in the same shape it was before, with or without Saddam--that is, lousy.

Oh yeah, and headlines about Iraq will subside so that we don't hear a wit about what happens after the war, just like Kosovo, etc,. People will forget about it in a year because then we will either be hearing about:

1. The next threat to America that should be "taken down" (North Korea, X tiny nation? Take your pick)

or

2. "Boring" stuff like, oh, the economy, and political affairs at HOME. Remember them? Gotta deal with it sooner or later.

Weatherman
03-17-2003, 05:11 PM
Yay, senseless death. :(

Matt Hazuda
03-17-2003, 05:19 PM
As much as I don't care for Bush, I am glad he is taking this final stand to show we mean business. If Saddam "Butt Pirate" Hussein wants, to play hardball, we play hard, except we're gonna kick your damn ass every time. War sucks and all, but this damn waiting has gotten to me, and I want to see some missles lobbed up his butt and soon or else my short attention span will take me..... Oh! Plastic bag! ::runs off after bag:: Plastic bag. Plastic bag. Plastic bag.....

randomguy
03-17-2003, 07:49 PM
"The diplomatic window is closed!!" is the best damn action movie tagline I've ever heard. Too bad it's the President and not Jean-Claude Van Damme who's saying it.

James
03-17-2003, 08:01 PM
Well as horrible as it is, if it's going to happen, it's going to happen. I think we're following behind ya - and let's face it, what's a war with the stunning expertise of out soldiers...? ;)

This scares me to hell - with too many variables for my liking, however we are now all on a path - let's hope as a world we can deal with it. Good luck to all out there. This is not a happy moment - I wonder how history will write this up.... who will be the good guys and who will be the bad.. as I said, scary..

Chris Wood
03-18-2003, 12:56 AM
i]Originally posted by Sumi_Masen [/i]
[B]Ignored the public? Do you mean people not wanting to go to war? 80% of the nation wants to kick Saddam's rear.

80% of which nations? I am sure the international average is much, much lower than that.

War sucks, though. Especially when practically all of your close family is in the military.

It sucks even more when you live in the war zone.

SilverKnight
03-18-2003, 01:58 AM
Oh hell. I knew it. I knew it, I knew it, I knew it.

I've been saying it for six months. All discussion is academic. Bush wants war; we're going to war. To quote a video game, "Ain't no gettin' offa this train we're on." (That's what it actually said, too.)

Well, Bush just effectively scooped up the lives of billions of people into his hands. What I hope for is that when all of this is over, we wouldn't have f**ked up too much. That's about all I can hope for.

This sucks. War's got a funny way of throwing curveballs at you, and this situation is friggin' sketchy enough as it is. Basically put, we're now flying by the seat of our pants, with a cargo full of high explosives (that probably has a ticking time bomb on it), so we're gonna wind up getting hurt one way or another.

One thing is for sure. I'm going to be watching Cartoon Network for the next few days.

Sue_Jackson
03-18-2003, 08:38 AM
I'm with you, Wonerfly.

I say let's kick Saddam's ass, and let him know that we will not tolerate his crap. If he's not going to leave willingly, then we will have to use force to throw him out.

electricsheep
03-18-2003, 09:19 AM
Saddam should have been taken down back in the Gulf War, this time we need to make sure that happens...

Psilon
03-18-2003, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by luckybob1985
You gotta admit, he's handling it better than the "other" guy would have.

Are you talking about Clinton?
I'm sorry luckybob but you may question his honesty, but the man is about a thousand times more charasmatic than Bush Jr. He knows how to work in the world. Bush Sr was a career diplomat, he would have done better than Bush Jr.

James
03-18-2003, 09:43 AM
Originally posted by Leaping Larry Jojo

1. The next threat to America that should be "taken down" (North Korea, X tiny nation? Take your pick)

or

2. "Boring" stuff like, oh, the economy, and political affairs at HOME. Remember them? Gotta deal with it sooner or later.

I have a feeling the latter is something Bush won't want you to think about, so if Iraq is a success he will keep everyone occupied with another skirmish. A war is good politics in most cases.

I don't think Bush has handled this well. I don't think this is a good idea - we should have waited - I'm sure that within a year we would have all got far more support from the other countries to do this but it's happened too quickly. The point of the UN is too make sure all countries have are treated fairly in the international community. If say a few smaller countries broke rank on what they thought was right, everyone would come down hard. I don't think we lead by good example.

We should have worked from the inside and not resorted to this. That I think is the mistake. I think Saddam should be removed, but as I've said before, not at the cost of the diplomatic community. People were turning, countries were becoming more pro war (UK's population's support for the war has since doubled) I think if we had done this the right way we could have done this together.

Is it a moral war? Hardly - both UK and US have made many errors in the Middle East, sold many items we shouldn't and stirred up many a hornet nest. Saddam is a callous man. He should be removed, but we are not in a righteous position by far. Practically I see call for removal, but I don't think we should be proud of having to resort to this.

Now we are open too many possibilities and that's repercussions that reach far beyond tiny Iraq. I just hope the furture paints this war as worth it's while..

Like SK said (is that FF7?) there is no getting off this train... let's hope more countries like the Aussies pledge more active support... I think we have a nasty road ahead that extends beyond the Middle East..

Lucky Bob
03-18-2003, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by Psilon2011
Are you talking about Clinton?
I'm sorry luckybob but you may question his honesty, but the man is about a thousand times more charasmatic than Bush Jr. He knows how to work in the world. Bush Sr was a career diplomat, he would have done better than Bush Jr.

I was talking about Al Gore. Hardly any charisma there! ;)

TimTwoFace
03-18-2003, 12:49 PM
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