What else could work for AS?

[Zedizded]

I read “Adult Swim Initiative: 2003-2004 Announced!". I wish Big-O wasn't part of it. There are several shows that I wish weren't part of it, but that doesn't make them bad-- just nothing new.

I then began thinking of shows that I really believe would work on AS but be too mature for Toonami. Anything that was on toonami, to me, doesn't suit AS because it's kiddie’s stuff, though I admit I consider the Toonami "Midnight Run" to be the first incarnation of the AS. But isn't that why they are putting Yu Yu Hakusho on Toonami, cause the kiddies like it more than the grownups?

Anyhow, for the sake of conversation, why can't they put classic Anime comedies like "Love Hina" on AS? My girlfirend introduced me to it, and I thought it would be perfect for AS and considering it's popularity I'm a little dissapointed that it isn't, and doesn't appear as if it will be any time soon.

And if they can get Outlaw Star, why can't they get "Angel Links"? How about the "Legend of Black Heaven"? I’m sure the real hardcore otaku reading this can come up with better shows than I have. All of them are good, and most of them are geared toward young adults, or adults. The may not have giant robots, but they have substance for grownups and not children.

I'm really just thinking out loud. I know logistically these things may be hard to come by, and I don’t have the first clue of how it all works, but are all IMHO worthy of AS programming and I wish some more “Adult” animated shows were part of the AS lineup.

[KingKoopa]

They don't get Love Hina and Angel Links because they suck. Angel Links is the worst fanservice anime I've ever seen, and Love Hina is a horrible adaptation of the manga.

What do I think they should get? I think they should get Berserk and X: TV. Berserk has a few scenes that would be left on the cutting room floor, but as long as they could find a way around something in episode 25, it'd be safe to air. X: TV can be aired easily. It's practically made for Adult Swim standards. Plus, it has a good plot and plenty of character development.

[Zedizded]

For the record, I said something similar about an AS show, and got a "warning" from a mod to explain my opinions better as he thought I was trolling. But I won't ask that. Love Hina is tremendously popular, so one opinion while valid isn't what counts to sponsors. ;)

[KingKoopa]

Originally posted by Zedizded
Just an opinion. If everbody thought that it wouldn't be so popular. ;) Angel Links ISN'T popular. I have no clue why people like Love Hina, though.

[Zedizded]

Haha! I edited as you replied!!! I am curious about Bezerk. Perhaps it's the "girls" who mostly like Love Hina. I liked it too, don't get me wrong, though I would learn to duck if I was that Ketaro guy. But like I said it was my girlfreind who made me aware of it, and it seems like a girls anime (what are those called again), but unlike you I am not familiar with the manga, and if I were-- who knows I might feel the same way you do. ;)

As it is, I think it's great.

[Mugen]

Grave of the Fireflies, His or Her Circumstances(I think this could work on Toonami), Berserk, Akira, and others that I can't think of at the moment.

[Nabuca]

Now and Then, Here and There
Beserk
RahXephon
3X3 Eyes

[bassist]

Originally posted by SSJ Gohan 64
Grave of the Fireflies. Grave of the Fireflies is extremely well done, but it's so depressing... it's like watching a TV show set in the rubble of the World Trade Center.

As for Love Hina, I really love that show, mainly because it deals with something at least somewhat real (college, love). The downside is that the humor is formulaic and childish. For every reason it should be on AS and wouldn't work on another section of CN, there's a reason it shouldn't. Of course, make the characters cats and you have a very odd version of Hello Kitty...

[Zorak]

I wouldn't mind seeing "Grave of the Fireflies"

[Zach Logan]

Originally posted by KingKoopa
Angel Links ISN'T popular. I have no clue why people like Love Hina, though.

The Love Hina MANGA was excellent, the anime i have not yet seen

[skite]

trigun! :D

edit: o ok i didnt know they finally made trigun coming to adult swim official

[Cyporiean]

Zeta Gundam, X, Berserk, One Piece, Tenchi OVA 3, FLCL, Miyuki-Chan in WonderLand..

[Eddy]

I never seen the show or read the manga on Love Hina. I have seen it in stores before. One time when me and my friends were all shopping at the mall together my friend bought for... his own reasons. :D

[The Drizzle]

Originally posted by Galvatron
Zeta Gundam, X, Berserk, One Piece, Tenchi OVA 3, FLCL, Miyuki-Chan in WonderLand..

Zeta Gundam is coming to AS. It was announced at Toy Fair, wasn't it?

[Amano Ginji]

Originally posted by Galvatron
Miyuki-Chan in WonderLand..

I had always thought that was hentai???????????????

[RedBoot]

I agree on X TV. Ever since I started buying the DVDs, I've been thinking it would fit well on AS. It's an incredible show...I can barely stand the 2 months between the releases of the DVDs...

I also think Argentosoma would be nice...I haven't seen much of it since it's release just started, but it seems like it would be a good fit...plus, it's Bandai, so it'd be easy to get a hold of.

And I may be alone on this, but I think Vandread would be nice...yes, it's cheesy and full of fanservice, but it's a good show with incredible animation...

[Cyporiean]

Originally posted by TidusDaniel54
I had always thought that was hentai???????????????

No Sex.. less Nudity then Sailor Moon..

its just very perverted.. but funny as hell.. ADV released it not too long ago for about $10.. well worth it..

[Kaiser0120]

Possible:
Argentosoma
X: The Series
One Piece
Tenchi OVA 3


Not Sure:
Hellsing
Vandread
Kikaider


Not so Possible:
FLCL
Neon Genesis Evangelion
RahXephon
Arjuna

Damn Next to Impossible:
Berserk
Spawn (HBO)

[Teio]

GTO

This anime's main consumer/audience is the college student.Something CN wants for AS.

[Animation Otaku]

La Blue Girl

[Nabuca]

Originally posted by Kaiser0120
Possible:
Argentosoma

Ridiculous in every sense of the word, one of the crappiest anime titles that Bandai has released in a good long time. Combine characters you care nothing about, an inane story, bad music and low production values and you have Argentosoma.

[jeffrey 228]

I was going to say Arjuna would work, since it has less bad languege And A bit more action, kina like bebop has except with out all the guns of Blood, and plus it is more calmer too, although it is just an idea.

[pabcool]

Originally posted by Animation Otaku
La Blue Girl

Umm... You're kidding, right? Yeah. I'll leave it at that.


I am not convinced that One Piece will go to Adult Swim. FUNI likes Toonami better, and the rumors for it on Toonami have been flying. Sure, some of you might prefer it uncut on Adult Swim, but so is life. As for the violence, Yu Yu Hakusho's airing Dark Tournament on Toonami. Giant Robot Week is airing uncut. Cartoon Network got Family Guy. Blue Gender will air on Adult Swim. Lets just say hell has frozen over quite a bit, and I would not be surprised to see One Piece on either Toonami or Adult Swim. All i'm saying is that it might fit Toonami better.

As for my choices, Arjuna would work, definetly. As a matter of fact, it would be another killer app for Adult Swim.

[Animation Otaku]

Don't worry, I was joking.

[Beat]

No hentai will ever air on Adult Swim. EVER!!!

[Mugen]

Originally posted by Beatdigga
No hentai will ever air on Adult Swim. EVER!!!

...unless they air ones that can easily edit the sex scenes and has a plot. I don't know any hentai like that. Pia Carrot maybe?

[Sheamon]

Love Hina's Toonami level, thats why you're never gonna see it on Adult Swim. A very immature and boring show that consists of little more than Keitaro getting to see one of the girl's butts, or touches their boobs or something, and gets beat up. Repeat for 25 episodes, thats the show. Fanservice does not make a show mature, and it certainly doesn't make it eligible for Adult Swim. And thats the only thing about the show thats above a 12 year old level. Remove the insanely dull fanservice and its Toonami fare.

BTW, reclassify your definition of the word 'classic'. A show thats only been out as long as Love Hina certainly isn't a classic. A show thats as cliche as Love Hina certainly isn't a classic. You want a classic? Try Gundam. Try Macross. Try Lupin. Not Love Hina.

As for Angel Links, its even worse than Love Hina the anime. Complete crap that pulls down the 'Outlaw Star' name.

What I think would be very good for Adult Swim would be to seperate itself from the action/comedy classification. Airing 3 very good psychological dramas in Serial Experiments Lain, Perfect Blue and Key the Metal Idol would be perfect. Of course the barriers of Tech TV (Lain), graphic violence(Perfect Blue) and nudity in every episode(Key) will probably prevent that from ever happening. Doesn't mean they can't go out and find similarly themed shows though.

[Zedizded]

Wow, that's contempt. How long did it take for you to type all that?

PS Love Hina and Angel links were my examples of other anime I thought might do well on AS. I'm not making any speeches praising LH or Angel Links as the greatest show ever. I love it, I think it's funny and worth my time and welcome in my DVD collection, it's a classic to me, and that's it. You don't have to try and convince me that it's bad becasue it isn't.

I will quote myself: I’m sure the real hardcore otaku reading this can come up with better shows than I have.

Having repeated that and speaking only for me, with the full understanding that everybody has their own tastes that as individuals they are entitled to; I'd rather read your examples of what you think might work on AS than diatribes bashing mine. It hurts my feelings. :(

Is Perfect Blue a series? I have a movie by that title here. It's trippy, but is Perfect Blue also a series?

[Sheamon]

Wow, that's contempt. How long did it take for you to type all that?

PS Love Hina and Angel links were my examples of other anime I thought might do well on AS. I'm not making any speeches praising LH or Angel Links as the greatest show ever. I love it, I think it's funny and worth my time and welcome in my DVD collection, it's a classic to me, and that's it. You don't have to try and convince me that it's bad becasue it isn't.

I need to back up my side of the argument, what do you expect me to say? That its the greatest show ever? Love Hina is a show whose plot and characters simply aren't up to to Adult Swim standards. The only thing that would put it there is the fanservice, but you already get that from Bebop, no need for it on Adult Swim.

And you have to admit, calling Love Hina an 'anime classic' deserved a response :p


Having repeated that and speaking only for me, with the full understanding that everybody has their own tastes that as individuals they are entitled to; I'd rather read your examples of what you think might work on AS than diatribes bashing mine. It hurts my feelings. :(


All I have to say is get used to it :D As anyone here would tell you, I express my dislike of Love Hina the anime all the time, particularly when its brought up as something for Adult Swim. :rolleyes:


Is Perfect Blue a series? I have a movie by that title here. It's trippy, but is Perfect Blue also a series?

Nah, I'm talking about the movie.

[rmarti3926]

Come on, if you can get a show like Tenchi to CN then why not Love Hina?

[Zedizded]

Originally posted by Sheamon
I need to back up my side of the argument, You'll have to point out to me when the argument started. what do you expect me to say? That it’s the greatest show ever?
I don't think that myself, and what I expect you to say, you already said and it had nothing to do with LH and I thank you for your two-cents.

And you have to admit, calling Love Hina an 'anime classic' deserved a response :p

I'm sure your opinion is an informed one, but your examples of "classic" almost all include giant robots, war, and high action. My profile of a classic differs from yours. I think that what defines a classic is best left in the eye of the beholder. Besides, I said "classic anime comedy". Next time I'll type my views in <OPINION></OPINION> tags so people know I'm not touting my opinion as fact.
All I have to say is get used to it :D As anyone here would tell you, I express my dislike of Love Hina the anime all the time particularly when its brought up as something for Adult Swim. :rolleyes:

I never knew LH was brought up as possible AS programming before, but I don't think I'll have to get used to it. This is the AS we're talking about, and since LH isn't a part of it I won't be bringing it up again, but who knows what the future may hold? If it ever does get picked up by AS you'll be getting a :p in your inbox from me!

Nah, I'm talking about the movie.

I see what you’re getting at, and it's a good idea. Lain is freaky, that Perfect Blue was freaky enough, but how would they get around the "rape"?

[Tim Vee]

Originally posted by TimberX
GTO

This anime's main consumer/audience is the college student.Something CN wants for AS.

I REALLY doubt GTO would be able to come to Adult Swim, what with the massive amount of jokes centered on sleeping with underage girls, even though it is pretty funny.

(Then again, Family Guy is airing on AS so I guess anything is possible at this point...)

[Sketch]

Personally I don't think Love Hina would ever fit Toonami for well... um a lack of action and obvious fan service (but I can dream). It fits Adult Swim better, because lets face it AS is not all adult humor/action. Inu Yasha, Yu Yu Hakusho (though they are fixing that problem I guess), and most obviously Pilot Candiate (and that's not really what I'm talking about) are NOT Adult shows. Inu Yasha for one just deals with issues that are taboo for kids of America. So it's on AS here and Toonami in LA. Not really suprising. Cowboy Bebop and Lupin the 3rd are the best examples of what AS should be (or says it is). Curse words don't make a show "adult" certain concepts do.

That being said I think Love Hina would be fine for Adult Swim. It's quite humorous, and it would likely get more girls to watch AS. It's about College students (for the most part) at least as apposed to Inu Yasha and Yu Yu Hakusho which both focus on middle schoolers (really big middle schoolers apparently). AS could use a good heart warming comedy in which the boy character gets the tar beaten out of him all the time. Poor Kietaro. Though Love Hina's dub would likely turn off a lot of people and if they didn't play the original OP (at least the theme song) then there would be much pain and suffering!

One Piece on the other hand I think is better suited for Toonami with the likes of Dragonball, Yu Yu Hakusho, and Kenshin. It falls under the same category as that of YYH and Inu Yasha, but it's even less so then they are (for the most part). I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I'm pretty sure the video game coming out is rated "E" (maybe "T") though.

[NewLib]

Lets see. Berserk would ALWAYS be nice. Zeta and ZZ Gundam, plus an entire showing of MSG (I can always hope.) To tell you the truth they already are showing my favorite three animes (Lupin, Cowboy Bebop, and in a few months The Big O returns.), so I am happy at the current time.

[Will Sturnick]

X
Argento Soma
Project Arms
Martian Successor Nadesico - The sexual innuedoes in this show make it not fit for Toonami. Though without those it could go on Toonami (which it is, well for 3 days anyway).
Mobile Suit Gundam - As said before, a complete run through would be nice.

[EightOh]

Come on, if you can get a show like Tenchi to CN then why not Love Hina?Because Tenchi was a stopgap measure until ASA had more programming to fill the time slots.

[moreysurf8]

I know this thread is really for what action shows would work. But on the ASC side of things I could see Dr. Katz working. Many of the people who worked on it, now work on Home Movies. They also have a good 5 seasons worth of material. Im not sure if Comedy Central still has the rights...but if they do, I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up on their own adult animation block. Oh well....it probably won't happen but it's just a thought.

[The Landstander]

Originally posted by moreysurf8
I know this thread is really for what action shows would work. But on the ASC side of things I could see Dr. Katz working. Many of the people who worked on it, now work on Home Movies. They also have a good 5 seasons worth of material. Im not sure if Comedy Central still has the rights...but if they do, I wouldn't be surprised if it ended up on their own adult animation block. Oh well....it probably won't happen but it's just a thought.

that idea has been brought up before...though a lot of people would like it (including myself), it ain't gonna happen. the story is something like this: comedy central owns the rights to the "Dr. Katz" episodes, and they probably aren't selling them (especially to cartoon network). it's a shame, because the show probably would've worked well on AS.

we now return to our regularly scheduled ASA talk.

[Animation Otaku]

This topic started out talking about Love Hina, a comedy show with 0 action(other than perverted guys getting the crap kicked out of them), so it isn't just for action I'd say.

[pathetic1]

Originally posted by DrWeird
comedy central owns the rights to the "Dr. Katz" episodes, and they probably aren't selling them (especially to cartoon network). I don't know how reliable this is, but I know I've read in a couple of places (like this one (http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&th=9d67c79bbb06510&seekm=72915bb4.0212301228.243210d2%40posting.google.com&frame=off)) that Comedy Central no longer owns the rights to Dr. Katz.

[Zedizded]

I was thinking more along the line of what you think is good material for Adult Swim. Not just action, but comedy too. But since there are more action fans we're getting a lot of action oriented ideas. Someone mentioned "Spawn" and I think that would rock Adult Swim to the friggin core! There's some cursing that needs to be changed, but if they can get Kieth David to voice promos for Adult Swim (Inuyasha) they can redub some cleaner dialogue if they were so inclined. Actually they probably couldn't. I know nothing. As for the nudity do what Tenchi does, draw a swimsuit on em. LOL

[Andy Mancini]

Originally posted by SSJ Gohan 64
His or Her Circumstances(I think this could work on Toonami)
No. Not in a million years. First off, His and Her Circumstances is a love story with zero action, so it wouldn't fit on Toonami. Second of all, there isn't enough humor to declare it an ASC show. Sure, it's there, but again, it's first and formost a love story. And to top it off, I'm almost positive that the advertisements would have the line "From writer Hideki Anno, creator of Evangelion" in it, which would kill it's chances of ever finding the right audience. The only place I could possibly see it working is on that new "Saturday Video Entertainment System" thing, but only if it's shown in Februray (for Valentine's Day) in two, thirteen episode marathons.

[bassist]

Originally posted by dj_gir
there isn't enough humor to declare it an ASC show. Sure, it's there, but again, it's first and formost a love story.Which one is ASC again? Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday?

The fact is there is no ASA or ASC anymore so making that argument is moot. I know absolutely nothing about the show in question, but if you're going to say it doesn't belong on AS, then explain how it's childish or how the show isn't any good, either of which is a viable agrument. Arguing not enough action or not enough comedy just isn't possible anymore. In fact, technically it wasn't possible before.

[Andy Mancini]

Originally posted by bassist
I know absolutely nothing about the show in question, but if you're going to say it doesn't belong on AS, then explain how it's childish or how the show isn't any good, either of which is a viable agrument. Arguing not enough action or not enough comedy just isn't possible anymore. In fact, technically it wasn't possible before.

A better explantion, eh? I'll give it a shot. First off, the show itself:

The show itself centers around high school Freshman Yukino Miyazawa. Yukino seemly has everything: good grades, grace and style, athletic ability, and loads of personallity. There is only one small problem: she's a fake. In actuallity, she's a normal middle-class girl who puts all of her time and energy in making people think she's something she's not. Everything is going along fine, until Souichirou Arima shows up. Arima is everything that Yunkino appears to be... or so she thinks. What is the self-proclaimed "queen of vanity" going to do? Will she be exposed as the fraud that she is? Is Arima everything he's cracked up to be? Who is this "Asuba" and what in the blue hell is the "merryland expriment"?

Now, the reasons why I think it won't fit:

Not Funny Enough - His and Her Circumstances is a comedy-drama. There are some very funny scenes, but it also has it's share of sad, emotional moments that can last anywhere from five minutes (Arima's past) to two or three episodes (Tsubasa's reaction to her father's plan to remarry). There isn't enough comedy there to fit with the laugh-a-minute style of shows like The Family Guy, Futurama, and Home Movies, and the humor that is there is more "slice of life" than "in your face". Simply put: there isn't enough comedy there to "fit in" with the other shows. It would stick out like a sore thumb.

Not the "Right Kind" of Drama - As I said, this show can get pretty dramatic, but not in the way that's been seen as of yet on AS. There are no mechs, fight scenes, or stirring monolouges spouted off by the hero. Plots like "Will Tsubasa got along with her new stepbrother" and "What will Yuki do when her secret is found out" are really dramatic, but for people expecting a Lupin-esque heist scene or a Bebop-esque dialog, it'll be a letdown.

The Boredom Factor - You know how some people say that .Hack//Sign is boring? You would get the same type of reaction from this show, only worse. This show focuses on "real people" and the "real problems" that they face. If you're expecting any more than that, you'll be bored out of your mind.

Evangelion - As I stated before, this show was written by Evangelion creator Hideaki Anno. This is not Evangelion. Yuki does not bring about any sort of Apocalypse, Arima does not fly a mech, and Hiroyuki (Yuki's dad) does not have a thing for a 14 year old girl that may or may not have the soul of his dead wife. This "high school love story" would anger so many Evangelion fans that had no idea that this show existed it's not even funny.

Now, I'm not saying that this show is bad by any means. It's one of my favorites (my avatar is of Perpero, the Miyazawa family dog), and would have a huge following if it was on another network (Oxygen, Women's Entertainment, even Comedy Central), but it wouldn't fit on AS. It just doesn't "fit the mold".

[pabcool]

I think another series that could work out is Aeon Flux. It's just what ASA needs to give it a pinch of all-American flavor. Plus, it's from Peter Chung, who did Reign.

I'd like to have The Tick on at 9:30 or 10:30 as a pre-Adult Swim show.

I think some of the MTV stuff could be good on ASC. (Liquid Television, Celebrity Deathmatch, the previously mentioned Aeon Flux on ASA, 3-South)

Finally, props to the people who mentioned H. Jon Benjamin's previous work, Dr. Katz.

[Andy Mancini]

Originally posted by pabcool
I'd like to have The Tick on at 9:30 or 10:30 as a pre-Adult Swim show.
The Tick would rule (Spoon!), but I think that either Fox or Sony has the rights to it again.

[sl4]

Now that ADV has announced that they're not at all angry about the edits done to Evangelion and Nadesico for Giant Robot Week on Toonami, we've got a chance of getting Noir. :D

[bassist]

Originally posted by dj_gir
The Tick would rule (Spoon!), but I think that either Fox or Sony has the rights to it again. Doesn't Comedy Central still show the Tick way way early mornings?

[JDuncan]

Just to clarify, Comedy Central no longer owns the rights to Dr. Katz. I e-mailed them in July and they said that the rights belong to Soup 2 Nuts. Also, unless I'm mistaken, Comedy Central hhasn't aired The Tick since 1999.

[Nik Jam]

I hope so
----
El Hazard
Noir
Slayers

Would work here, but I guess it would still work on Toonami
----
Nadesico
Evangelion
Meltylancer
Escaflowne


Reedited in 2004 or 5
Outlaw Star
UC Gundam

They better come in 2004
Wolf Rain

Probaly wont happen, but should
Hellsing
Serial Experiments Lain

[sl4]

Originally posted by jdoggg
Just to clarify, Comedy Central no longer owns the rights to Dr. Katz. I e-mailed them in July and they said that the rights belong to Soup 2 Nuts. Also, unless I'm mistaken, Comedy Central hhasn't aired The Tick since 1999.

I sense a smart choice for an acquisition...

For ASA, I'd want Noir, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Re-Edited Outlaw Star, Re-Edited Mobile Suit Gundam (heck, even if it was still the Toonami edit, just give it a freaking full run) and the rest of UC Gundam, and Death by Anus Bar: Fully Restored (;)).

[pabcool]

At first, when Yu Yu was on, I supported Slayers on Adult Swim. But now, I think it's wrong. Slayers is not an Adult Swim show. Sure, it has the many sexual jokes and some of the battle scenes and the like get a little gruesome, but it's not Lupin, it's not Cowboy Bebop, it's less of an Adult Swim show than InuYasha.

And as for all that "content does not define how adult a show is" Slayers isn't really very "adult" in the way Cowboy Bebop or Mobile Suit Gundam are. (Yes, I think Mobile Suit Gundam can, be at times "adult") Slayers was aimed at 12-14 (correct me if I'm wrong) year olds in Japan. It is a parody. A much loved parody, but it's really not Adult Swim material. It doesn't even have the relevance of Lupin. It's a great show, *points to avatar* but, if anything, it would work best on ADV's Anime Network. (Yes, I know CPM has the rights to the television series)

[bassist]

Originally posted by pabcool
Slayers was aimed at 12-14 (correct me if I'm wrong) year olds in Japan.I'm sorry, but something aimed at 16-25 year olds in Japan is generally for 12-14 year olds here...

[Mugen]

The Ping Pong Club. :D

[Kaiser0120]

Originally posted by bassist
I'm sorry, but something aimed at 16-25 year olds in Japan is generally for 12-14 year olds here...

You mean the other way around. >.>

[Master Moron]

So, Angel Links sucks, huh? I saw a preview for it on my Escaflowne DVD and it said it was in the Outlaw Star universe and the music sounded pretty cool so I was thinking of getting it, but I guess if you all think it sucked I won't get it.

By the way, what's the name of that song they use in the preview? It sounds so awesome!

[bassist]

Originally posted by Kaiser0120
You mean the other way around.No, I got it right. Every country has a different target audience for the same products. Entertainment generally is equivalent to video gaming, which is going to be my example here.

I remember seeing a study about 3 years ago that explained that video games and video games systems (i.e. aimed at the largest consumer group) find that in Japan and China are generally aimed at 16-20, in Englad are aimed at 18-24, in Australia at 20-30, and in the US at 10-16. Same games, same equipment, different market and different culture.

The same can be said about entertainment. In the US, Teen shows are generally aimed at the older crowd (Dawson's Creek, Buffy, 90210) while in Japan, the Teen shows for that age group are anime. Anime in general flies with the younger crowd here: DBZ, .hack//sign, gundam. It's true that some shows like Cowboy Bebop are more suited towards the older crowd, but the humor and content of anime is rarely in the same age and mutrity category as American TV, which is part of its appeal. I enjoy immature jokes, lecherism and juvenile issues sometimes, but most anime is far too immature for the standard adult crowd.

[Zedizded]

Originally posted by Master Moron
So, Angel Links sucks, huh? I saw a preview for it on my Escaflowne DVD and it said it was in the Outlaw Star universe and the music sounded pretty cool so I was thinking of getting it, but I guess if you all think it sucked I won't get it.


I'd suggest you watch the first few episodes of Angel Links and decide for yourself if it sucks or not. Personally I liked it, while I admit its not comperable to OS, Trigun or Bebop. It's another in a long line of space, sci-fi adventures that I think qualifies for AS or Toonami. The art and animation is really good, the spacships and technology are pretty cool too. However, if you're expecting some kind of sequel to Outlaw Star, forget it.

My advise is for you to check it out, give it the benifit of the doubt and come to your own verdict about it. It's been my observation that everybody has their own reasons for liking or disliking an anime, and I think part of the reason people dislike Angel Links is that it is in the OS universe but doesn't make reference to anything or anybody from the original OS nor does it tell as deep a story as OS. I think many people expected something on the level of OS and were severely disappointed. But if you can dismiss that, it's not a bad show IMHO.

[Zedizded]

Originally posted by bassist
No, I got it right. Every country has a different target audience for the same products. Entertainment generally is equivalent to video gaming, which is going to be my example here.

I remember seeing a study about 3 years ago that explained that video games and video games systems (i.e. aimed at the largest consumer group) find that in Japan and China are generally aimed at 16-20, in Englad are aimed at 18-24, in Australia at 20-30, and in the US at 10-16. Same games, same equipment, different market and different culture.

The same can be said about entertainment. In the US, Teen shows are generally aimed at the older crowd (Dawson's Creek, Buffy, 90210) while in Japan, the Teen shows for that age group are anime. Anime in general flies with the younger crowd here: DBZ, .hack//sign, gundam. It's true that some shows like Cowboy Bebop are more suited towards the older crowd, but the humor and content of anime is rarely in the same age and mutrity category as American TV, which is part of its appeal. I enjoy immature jokes, lecherism and juvenile issues sometimes, but most anime is far too immature for the standard adult crowd.

It's almost insulting how american tv is watered down because bigwigs think people shouldn't be exposed to certain things, and yet you can turn on the news and see much worse.

As for maturity, I'm 29 years old and certainly wouldn't watch Pokemon unless I had a gun to my head, but this is why I think AS should put on shows with stories about adults, for adults.

So far all then anime AS does for adults is to have adult "content", but like you said what adult content in the USA is defined as would be cursing, and blood and sex. Since Japan doesn't mind kids seeing blood or hearing a few swear words, and they know puberty will get kids thinking about sex wheter it's censored or not you can have the kiddiest stories with sex, blood and guts. But what about grownup stories? Cowboy Bebop fits that bill... what else?

[Caffeine King]

I think that 3-South would be a good show for Adult Swim.

(this is a pipe dream of mine) CN maybe could put 3-South back into production if it came to Adult Swim(has it been cancelled yet?)

I'm assuming that it will get cancelled :(

[Sketch]

Originally posted by NikJam
I hope so
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El Hazard
Noir
Slayers

Would work here, but I guess it would still work on Toonami
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Nadesico
Evangelion
Meltylancer
Escaflowne


Reedited in 2004 or 5
Outlaw Star
UC Gundam

They better come in 2004
Wolf Rain



I'd like Slayers, but Toonami would be fine with editing. It would be best for a "teen" block, but who knows when CN will ever give us that. It's right up there with Ranma 1/2, Inu Yasha, and Yu Yu Hakusho as far as not fitting in really well.

I hear good things about El Harzard, sounds like it would work...

I know nothing about Noir

Nadesico could be fine (with a good lot of sexual humor and swearing removed) as would Escaflowne (the Fox edit is pretty awful though... I'm pretty sure they could get the REAL version for Cartoon Network some day).

I don't know anything about Meltylancer, but Evangelion will NEVER get a full run on Toonami. Some episodes would be a few minutes long with all the editing that would need to be done. It wouldn't even be worth it. EVA at Y7FV is just wrong. It's not a show for 7 year olds and never will be. The edits this past week were okay, and apparently all the religious stuff was left in, but it get INCREDIBLY violent at times and the last episode would just drive some of those kids crazy.

Don't know about Wolf Reign. I've heard of it somewhere I'm sure, but I can't put my finger on it.

Not sure about UC Gundam, but personally I like Outlaw Star edit (I also liked Tenchi's), but I'm pretty sure there is an uncut version for the DVD's.

[Will Sturnick]

Originally posted by Hyper Luigi
Nadesico could be fine (with a good lot of sexual humor and swearing removed)

Do you mean for Adult Swim or Toonami?

[Sketch]

Toonami... He said they could also go on Toonami so I was pointing out what likely needed to change for that to happen. It could air on AS uncut most likely.

[Amano Ginji]

What do yall think about Ranma 1/2?

Think it could work?

[bassist]

No way Ranma 1/2 would fly. Digikini would be awful and cutting out some of the scenes with nudity would be nearly impossible since they're so important.

[Amano Ginji]

I haven't seen it, but the DVD's only say parental guidance suggested.

Is it that bad????

[Cyporiean]

Originally posted by TidusDaniel54
I haven't seen it, but the DVD's only say parental guidance suggested.

Is it that bad????

There isn't sex, but there is tons of Nudity (mostly from Ranma-chan)

and the Nudity is importent to the story line. you can't give Ranma-chan a Digital Bra because Ranma-Kun would never wear one, its one of the recurring jokes in the series between Ranma and Happosai..

[pabcool]

It depends. Are you offended by casual nudity? (Fanservice style)

If you answered yes, then it's horrendous.

If you answered no, it's not bad at all. Happosai's a pervert, and there are mentions of perversion, but it's far, far, far from hentai, even, possibly a family title for some.

Ramma is WAY too immature to be on Adult Swim. You want Bebop? Get real. It's an engaging, if simple plot, that just happens to be nudity-filled. It's a "fanservice show".

As for Toonami, there would be so many digi-kinis put on the characters, it would completly ruin the show, the vast majority of the jokes, and would just look plain hillarious. (Remember the bath scene in Evangelion on Toonami where Misato wears a bathing suit? Multiply that by at least 10)

[Amano Ginji]

*wonders what parents will think if they walk into the room when it comes on*

edit: *Reads Pabcool's post again* A family show? *Thinks*

[pabcool]

It's a family show for those who don't mind nudity and aren't offended very easily. Outside the fanservice, (nude scenes everywhere) there isn't really much that could insult anyone. It's no more violent than, say, Dragon Ball. (Before Z)

[Amano Ginji]

Cool, I'll probaby pick it up.

I saw the first season boxset at Fry's for $80.

[Beat]

Fanservice can't work untill the BS&P is dead. Even then, Ramna is more a teen show than anything.

[Sketch]

I'd wouldn't mind Ranma 1/2 edited, but I can see how it could be a problem. That joke does show up a lot, but aside from the joke they could probably give Ranma and undershirt (not a bra) like a simple white t-shirt (or different color) that would cut the nudity out, but man... Ranma does have a lot in it. It's not just fanservice is nudity plain and simple, but it's not the kind that tries to entice you I'm sure (though I've never watched the other kind). I felt a little dirty after watching Ranma uncut though... as well as uncut Tenchi... and well uncut EVA... and well pretty much any uncut anime. Garbage in garbage out.

[Amano Ginji]

Originally posted by Hyper Luigi
I'd wouldn't mind Ranma 1/2 edited, but I can see how it could be a problem. That joke does show up a lot, but aside from the joke they could probably give Ranma and undershirt (not a bra) like a simple white t-shirt (or different color) that would cut the nudity out, but man... Ranma does have a lot in it. It's not just fanservice is nudity plain and simple, but it's not the kind that tries to entice you I'm sure (though I've never watched the other kind). I felt a little dirty after watching Ranma uncut though... as well as uncut Tenchi... and well uncut EVA... and well pretty much any uncut anime. Garbage in garbage out.

I felt dirty watching Jupiter Jazz pt. 1 uncut.....>_<

[This was a joke, do not take this seriously.]

[Captain Harlock]

I personally would like to see Record of Lodoss War: Chronicles of the Heroic Knight and Zeta Gundam in the later portion of AS.

[Aurochs]

I think the problem with Ranma is it's not an adult show, but it's not apropriate for the average American youth, do to the fact that the Japanese and American television networks have sligtly different standards. It could work censored as long as Cartoon Network is honest about it and puts black blocks up, instead of digitally editing on articles of clothing.

Here's an idea for an anime on AS, Excel Saga.

[ClockStomper]

A lot of potential ASA shows are getting mentioned, but what about ASC?

I think if MTV gets another out6 break of stupid-itis and cancels Clone High, CN should pick up the show and show repeats AND make new episodes, since it wouldn't be that expensive anyway.

Clone High rocks (although I know alot of people have never heard of it.) I love it so much, I actually updated my sig (which I haven't done in what seems like years.)

[pabcool]

Originally posted by Aurochs
Here's an idea for an anime on AS, Excel Saga.

Nah. It'd probably have to air TV-MA unless they cut some stuff out (Pedro comes to mind) and edited the language. It's more of a Comedy Central show to begin with, anyway.

[Zorak Masaki]

While im a HUGE excel saga fan,,whole EPISODES would have to be cut:
ep 4: No way are penetration jokes flying on CN
ep 8: Beauty Theatre: excuse for fanservice!
ep 13: Hyatt fondling the microphone, recycled jokes from ep 4, and beauty theatre: the engrish version!
eps 14-16: Pedophiles and Hot Underage Lesbian Android Action,,will air on CN when they buy the rights to 99% of disneys catalog (ie, never)
ep 26: well DUH!

[Aurochs]

It's more of a Comedy Central show to begin with, anyway.

Are you kidding? Excel Saga is perfect for Adult Swim. It doesn't really fit in with the humor on Comedy Central. But I agree, judging by how they butchered Cowboy Bebop, it's not very practical.

[Amano Ginji]

They didn't butcher Bebop.

Compare the Bebop on AS and the Bebop on DVD.

Edited: some blood, a hole right through someones head which you can see through, the s word, Gren's b00bz0rs, digital clothes on nudie magazines, etc. Those are all small edits that had to be done.
well, 'cept for the blood ones, and the bullet through the head.
Seeing as how Reign got away with it.

but, Bebop was edited before Reign came and was edited.
There were different editing standards back then.

But, they all had to be done.

I don't see how those edits "butchered" the show.

[Aurochs]

Well, there's more then that. They gratuitously edited out Grenn's cleavage, an illustration of a marijuana leaf, and every slight trace of blood, just off the top of my head. I don't see how that's necessary.

[Amano Ginji]

Actually some blood was left in.

I can remember Black Dog Serenade had some, so did Ballad of Fallen Angels, and RFB 1&2....

[Nabuca]

Originally posted by Aurochs
Are you kidding? Excel Saga is perfect for Adult Swim. It doesn't really fit in with the humor on Comedy Central. But I agree, judging by how they butchered Cowboy Bebop, it's not very practical.
How exactly was CBB butchered? There were some things edited that dont have to be edited anymore, but CN was testing the water and CBB is the reason that Adult Swim is getting an ogry of anime now. "Oh my god! they edited the word "****" on basic cable!"

[Amano Ginji]

Originally posted by Aurochs
Well, there's more then that. They gratuitously edited out Grenn's cleavage, an illustration of a marijuana leaf, and every slight trace of blood, just off the top of my head. I don't see how that's necessary.

Actually, they edited out more than cleavage.

If you have the DVD's you will see what I mean.

*Shudders*

[Will Sturnick]

Originally posted by Aurochs
Well, there's more then that. They gratuitously edited out Grenn's cleavage, an illustration of a marijuana leaf, and every slight trace of blood, just off the top of my head. I don't see how that's necessary.

Bebop was the first anime on AS, they didn't know what the could get way with, so they felt it neccessary to edit stuff like that. Saying it was "butchered" is a little extreme, if your talking about DBZ Seasons 1 and 2, that's butchered.

[Zedizded]

The edits they made to Bebop didn't wreck the show, or make it less awesome. It's just a little watered-down for tv. I don't think it's a big deal at all.

[SonGokou316]

Originally posted by TheFutureIsHere
Lets see. Berserk would ALWAYS be nice. Zeta and ZZ Gundam, plus an entire showing of MSG (I can always hope.) To tell you the truth they already are showing my favorite three animes (Lupin, Cowboy Bebop, and in a few months The Big O returns.), so I am happy at the current time.

You're right on Z Gundam, seeing that it has more of a dark vibe to it, it is the ideal show to air at night (It probably might get a TV-14 rating like some of the good AS shows), hence it will never be aired in daylight (e.g.: Toonami). ZZ Gundam is more of a Toonami show since it is targeting a younger audience.

[Beat]

The problem is their interconnected. The good news is that the second half of ZZ Gundam is much more adult. (After the 10 billion pieces of hate mail reached Sunrise's office)