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Lupin the Wolf
02-17-2003, 04:19 PM
Monkey Punch (a pennanme for Japanese manga author Kazuhiko Katoh) read the novels of Maurice Leblanc's Arsene Lupin, and gained a fondness for them. Under pressure to create a short story in a manga anthology, he threw together a story about Arsene Lupin's grandson, Arsene Lupin the Third. It was published in August of 1967, eventually gaining great success.

By 1968, production was begun on a pilot film for a Lupin the Third anime. The pilot's budget could not be agreed on, and the project remained incompleted for some time.
In 1971 an anime series was made, called "Lupin the Third" ("Rupan Sansei"). This series, which featured Lupin in a teal-green jacket, introduced Goemon as a character, as well as recurring character, Mr. X. The first 6 episodes were based in the style of the manga, but when the ratings didn't improve, the producers decided to aim the programs at a younger viewing audience. Hayao Miyazaki and Isao Takahata (now of Studio Ghibli fame) co-directed the rest of the series (episodes 7-23). The ratings apparently simply didn't improve enough to warrant a continuation, so at episode 23, the series was cancelled in 1972. Thankfully, it was put into nearly endless reruns for the 5 years that followed....
The manga continued running and in 1974 a live-action Lupin film was released, "Lupin the Third: Strange Psycho-Kinetic Strategy." The film was missing Goemon and Zenigata was missing his hat, but reports say that the film was true to the source material.
The manga had stopped, and started again in 1976, with "The New Lupin the Third."

The next year, due to the popularity of reruns of the First TV Series...a Second TV series was begun: "The New Lupin the Third." This was the first TV anime to be broadcast in stereo, and lasted for 155 episodes across 3 years. This means that a new episode aired basically EVERY week, like clockwork, until its conclusion. The character designs of the series varied greatly, mostly due to the fact that multiple studios were working on multiple episodes at any given time. By the series' conclusion, the character designs present in "Castle of Cagliostro" replaed the rougher look used in the manga and the first anime movie.

The first anime movie for Lupin was called "Lupin the Third," released late in 1978. Shortly afterwards, this movie was dubbed into English under the title "Lupin III" and shown on trans-atlantic Japan AirLines flights. The characters had been renamed except for Lupin: Jigen=>Dan Dunn, Fujiko=>Margot, Goemon=>"The Samurai", and Inspector Zenigata=>Detective Ed Scott. Lupin was pronounced "Loo-pawn" or "Loo-pan" for this dub, which has since fallen by the wayside and never released to the public outside of very rare film copies and multi-generation bootlegs. This film would later be released in America on VHS (in 1995) and DVD (~1998) as "Lupin III: The Mystery of Mamo." Both versions are out-of-print.

In early 1979, Hayao Miyazaki had achieved great success as an animation director with the Future Boy Conan TV series (not available Stateside). TMS requested that Miyazaki create a Lupin feature film to follow-up the first movies' success. After around 7 or 8 months of storyboarding, which overlapped with the mere 5 months (!) of actual animation work by the staff, the feature film was released in December as "Lupin the Third: The Castle of Cagliostro." The film...was unsuccessful. Only after later TV broadcasts and home video release did the film gain its long-deserved recognition. The film is fantastically deep, though not necessarily visible on its surface. "Cagliostro" is often criticized on the basis that it's not a real "Lupin" film. This is true, in that Lupin is not as selfish as he is in most Lupin anime. This movie has been released three times in America....once theatrically (limited release, subtitled, in 1991), once on home video (dubbed, 1992), and the final time on video and DVD by another company (re-dubbed and subtitled, 2000).

The Second Series, "The New Lupin the Third," ended with two memorable episodes directed and scripted by Miyazaki: "Albatross-Wings of Death," (episode 145) and "Farewell, Beloved Lupin" (episode 155). There were dubbed into English and released on VHS (1994, 1995) in America individually as "Lupin III: Tales of the Wolf," and later combined onto "Lupin III's Greatest Capers." In these earlier dubs (along with early versions of "Castle of Cagliostro"), Lupin is named "Wolf." In the English releases for these episodes, you can see the occasional use of the name "Lupin," though pronounced improperly. Lupin's voice is Bob Bergen in these older dubs, now the modern voice of Porky Pig.

The Third TV Series ("Lupin the Third Part III") picks up in the early 80's (1983, I believe) and concludes in 1985, just before the release of the theatrical feature, "Lupin the Third: The Golden Legend of Babylon." The third series featured Lupin in a pink jacket and a somewhat "goofier" version of the Lupin cast. The theatrical film "Babylon" shares many traits with the Third Series, from what I've seen, and may turn off potential fans of the show.

Lupin the Third remained dormant for a while after the Third Series' 50 episodes ran their time, then the OAV feature, "Plot of the Fuma Clan" was scheduled for release in 1987. It ended up in theaters instead of direct-to-video, and is often considered the second-best Lupin movie amongst anime fans.

In 1989 a new tradition began....that of the annual Lupin TV Specials. The TV specials air in the summer each year in Japan, and there are too many to practically list here. FUNimation acquired the rights to most of these specials, 3 of which have been released as of this writing. The specials continue to this day; the last one released was an origin story, explaining how the Lupin gang got together in the first place.

In 1995, the theatrical feature, "Die! Nostradamus" was released, featuring the same character designs and animation studio as "Castle of Cagliostro." Unfortunately, without Miyazaki, the magic and atmoshpere of "Cagliostro" wasn't quite there. The movie was mostly just silliness, but I digress.

The story goes that Monkey Punch himself was dissatisfied with the result of "Nostradamus" and set out to direct his own Lupin film. Thus, his first-ever directed anime was the 1996 Lupin feature "Dead or Alive," which has come to many rave reviews, despite its incredibly intesnse violence.

Here is a complete list of what Lupin stuff is (or has been) available in America:

Dubbed by Streamline Pictures:
-Lupin the Third (Movie 2): The Castle of Cagliostro ("Lupin" is not on the video cover)
-The New Lupin the Third TV: Episodes 145, 155
-Lupin the Third (Movie 1): The Mystery of Mamo (Goemon's voice is different than in the other dubs)

Dubbed by AnimEigo:
-Rupan III: The Fuma Conspiracy
-Rupan III: Legend of the Gold of Babylon (subtitled-only, actually)

Dubbed by Manga Video:
-Lupin the Third: The Castle of Cagliostro (the "Lupin" part is only mentioned on the back cover)

Dubbed by FUNimation:
-Lupin the Third: The Secret of Twilight Gemini (TV Sp '96)
-Lupin the Third: The Pursuit of Harimao's Treasure (TV Sp '95)
-Lupin the Third: Dragon of Doom (TV Sp. '94)
-Lupin the Third: Voyage to Danger (coming in May - TV Sp '93)

Dubbed by Pioneer Entertainment:
-The New Lupin the Third TV Episodes 1, 2, 4-7. ("The World's Most Wanted")

Any other questions? I'll probably update this post in the future with links and stuff, and to correct any errors.

Mugen
02-17-2003, 04:47 PM
How violent is Dead or Alive?

Lupin the Wolf
02-17-2003, 04:57 PM
Originally posted by SSJ Gohan 64
How violent is Dead or Alive?

There's a scene where a guy's head gets sliced off. There's some generic gunplay and explosions, too....but that's about it....oh and a guy gets shot through the forehead, but there's no blood to accompany it.

Beat
02-17-2003, 05:05 PM
There was a live action Lupin?!

Lupin the Wolf
02-17-2003, 05:21 PM
Yeah, it looks kind of funky. Lupin has a white disco outfit, complete with scarf. Fujiko is indeed Japanese, as is everyone else. This movie has never even been fansubtitled, much less translated legally.

Rumor also has it that an American company worked at length creating an American Lupin the Third movie, but ultimately dropped the project. The project allegedly morphed quite a bit and became the Bruce Willis vehicle "Hudson Hawk."

Proteus3
02-17-2003, 07:10 PM
Here's a pic of Lupin in the live action movie. I want to see it, it looks hilarious.

http://www.lupinencyclopedia.com/images/anime/live.gif

Ludicris
02-17-2003, 08:07 PM
ahahahahahahahahahahahaahah! thats awesome.

a question though, What is the best Lupin the third movie? I know you stated the second best, but I was hoping to buy the best if it was out.

oh, and i bought the worlds most wanted dvd and i loved it. Its great, the menu reminds of cowboy bebop. Its awesome. Though, i asked about the soundtrack and they ran out so I was too late. :(

By the way Is Dead or Alive coming to/or in america?

thanks.

CheeseItGuys
02-17-2003, 09:02 PM
I think that the best one was Cagliostro. Like, that's not my opinion, but what he meant, I believe. Well it is my opinion, but well, you know what I mean. I got the World's Most Wanted DVD too, it's so cool. But I was sad that Best Buy didn't have any Lupin movies at all.

Lupin the Wolf
02-18-2003, 12:46 AM
Originally posted by Ludicris
a question though, What is the best Lupin the third movie? I know you stated the second best, but I was hoping to buy the best if it was out.

"The Castle of Cagliostro," in my very humble opinion, is the greatest movie ever made. As such, it also stands as the greatest *Lupin* movie ever made. Hope that answers your question. ;)


By the way Is Dead or Alive coming to/or in america?


Eventually...FUNimation picked up the rights to it and 9 other Lupin features last year. They have the rights to the Lupin TV Specials aired between 1993 and 2000, as well as the Lupin theatrical features from both '95 and '96 (the latter is the aforementioned "Dead or Alive"). I wouldn't be overwhelmingly surprised if Lupin is a big hit on TV that Dead or Alive (or "Die! Nostradamus") gets a theatrical release like the Cowboy Bebop movie. But of course, this is highly unlikely. I can always hope, though....

Ludicris
02-18-2003, 04:39 PM
Thats a relief. I was hoping we might be able to see dead or alive in the future because it sounds good. I also need to see Castle of Cagliostro. I was wondering if any episodes from anything Lupin is available to download anywhere?

Another question, do Lupin and Fujiko ever actually date or get married or anything or is it just like it is all through the show?

Lupin the Wolf
02-18-2003, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by Ludicris
Thats a relief. I was hoping we might be able to see dead or alive in the future because it sounds good. I also need to see Castle of Cagliostro. I was wondering if any episodes from anything Lupin is available to download anywhere?

Don't believe so, though maybe on some foreign website where Lupin has aired on TV for years (like Italy or something). In which case, it'd probably be Italian or whatever.
Another question, do Lupin and Fujiko ever actually date or get married or anything or is it just like it is all through the show?
Pretty much remains the same... Lupin is emotionally attached to Fujiko, and Fujiko *may* be attached to Lupin, but who really knows...since she just cons him out of his objectives almost every time they hang out. Kinda depressing when you think about it.

Ludicris
02-18-2003, 05:15 PM
thanks. :)

Crimefighter
02-18-2003, 06:49 PM
This report completely missed the fact the Castle movie being used as the video footage for the Cliff Hanger video game in the U.S.

Nin-Nin69
02-18-2003, 08:19 PM
And the very short lived Lupin VIII show.

JeffTMBG
02-18-2003, 10:18 PM
Those are both on his site, and they're pretty inconsequential to list here. Lupin VIII never even made it to air, after all (probably for the best, it sounds like a pretty dumb idea).

Lupin the Wolf
02-18-2003, 11:28 PM
This report completely missed the fact the Castle movie being used as the video footage for the Cliff Hanger video game in the U.S.
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And the very short lived Lupin VIII show.

Truth is, I'd forgotten about them both when I compiled the thread. :P Not very hard to do (I was only exposed to footage from Cliff Hanger for the first time within the last 6 months, while many people were introduced to Lupin Stateside through the game).
I will go back and edit those tidbits in soon.

Ludicris
02-19-2003, 07:02 PM
did i miss something? there is a Lupin the third video game in America and in the American language? If so what system? :eek:

Lupin the Wolf
02-20-2003, 02:58 AM
Originally posted by Ludicris
did i miss something? there is a Lupin the third video game in America and in the American language? If so what system? :eek:

No consoles, but back in 1983(?), there was a LaserDisc arcade game (much like Dragon's Lair and its sequel) that compiled footage from both "The Castle of Cagliostro" and "The Mystery of Mamo" (the first 2 animated Lupin films) and renamed the hero to "Cliff Hanger," released under the same name. The discs had only 550 copies made, and the LD game machine it would play in is basically no longer available to buy, so...yeah. That's the only one released in the States and it was made by Americans anyway (Stern Electronics).

Tom Reed
02-20-2003, 11:58 AM
Let me just say that the original post is the best, most concise history of the character I've ever seen. Or for that matter, of any cartoon character. Thanks, pal.

Nin-Nin69
02-20-2003, 12:03 PM
BTW Will Sega translate the recent Lupin III arcade shooter and bring it to america? I just saw them release it on PS2 not to long ago and wanted to know if they would do the same since its becoming so popular in America now. :confused:

Beat
02-20-2003, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by Nin-Nin69
BTW Will Sega translate the recent Lupin III arcade shooter and bring it to america? I just saw them release it on PS2 not to long ago and wanted to know if they would do the same since its becoming so popular in America now. :confused:

Dobut it, since arcade shooting games have become iffy lately (along with American arcades)

R Chocolate
02-20-2003, 02:01 PM
Originally posted by Crimefighter
This report completely missed the fact the Castle movie being used as the video footage for the Cliff Hanger video game in the U.S.

I'm also wondering if the praise around Miyazaki nowadays will we ever see a special edition of the Castle movie on DVD.
The regular edition nowadays by Manga entertainment is just in widescreen (not even anamorphic) and hopefully with Lupin The 3rd getting the attention it deserves, Manga will put out a special edition. As they're doing for Ninja Scroll which I've been wanting for them to do for some time.

Lupin the Wolf
02-20-2003, 03:42 PM
Originally posted by R Chocolate
I'm also wondering if the praise around Miyazaki nowadays will we ever see a special edition of the Castle movie on DVD.
The regular edition nowadays by Manga entertainment is just in widescreen (not even anamorphic) and hopefully with Lupin The 3rd getting the attention it deserves, Manga will put out a special edition. As they're doing for Ninja Scroll which I've been wanting for them to do for some time.

A special edition (which was also their standard edition) of "Cagliostro" was released in Japan. It contained an English audio track (the old 1992 dub of the film), and a second disc which had another copy of the movie on it. This "second copy" had a second angle that featured animated storyboards synchronized with the film's audio. I have asked Manga (specifically, Keith Burgess at Anime Expo '02) if they'd ever do a "special edition" of "Cagliostro" on DVD with this feature (it and the theatrical trailer for the movie were really the only movie-related special features of the Japanese disc). He said "if they could get permission to use the material," and basically if there was enough of a demand, I believe he said they'd certainly consider it.

But coming from Manga Video in the past....that's not the most reassuring guarantee. However, it IS better than nothing at all.

Edit: All I ask is that they put the name "Lupin the Third" somewhere on the front cover (the existing release just says "The Castle of Cagliostro" and has a pretty boring cover image with Lupin climbing the castle wall), and if they have the money or time, get rid of some of the added cussing in that English dub. :P

Chris Wood
02-20-2003, 04:12 PM
Forget the dubs. A good sub will do me fine. There can be only one Lupin (er, except for that other guy).

Ludicris
02-20-2003, 07:33 PM
Guess what i just found out?!?!?!They are still making Lupin the third movies in japan. Well, at least the last one came out in 2001!The new animation is beautiful and it reminds me of the gun smith cats animation. Its unbelievable. I hope these come to america too.

FredNash
02-21-2003, 05:30 AM
Originally posted by Ludicris
The new animation is beautiful... I hope these come to america too.
Where did you see them? Is there an example, like pics or something available on the web?

Chris Wood
02-21-2003, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by Ludicris
Guess what i just found out?!?!?!They are still making Lupin the third movies in japan. Well, at least the last one came out in 2001!The new animation is beautiful and it reminds me of the gun smith cats animation. Its unbelievable. I hope these come to america too.

That's hardly news. The Lupin TV specials began in 1989, and have continued every year since, including last year's Episode 0. This summer will probably bring another one.

Where did you see them? Is there an example, like pics or something available on the web?

I have watched many in Japan, and several here (rented from a Japanese grocery store). I don't know what site may have pictures from them. Just check out your local Asian food stores. You're bound to find Lupin somewhere.

Ludicris
02-22-2003, 07:59 PM
Where did you see them? Is there an example, like pics or something available on the web?

go to the movie/tv/music section and scroll down to the movies section. On all of the movies there is a link that takes you to screen shots from each movie and if you scroll down farther there are the newer movies then click the screen shots and theyll come up.

Ludicris
02-22-2003, 08:03 PM
oops!ahahahahahahahahahahahaha. :D


I forgot to put the link. sorry.

lupin.sansei.st/


oh by the way, did the second volume of the lupin the third manga come out yet? thanks.

Nobuyuki sama
02-23-2003, 06:28 AM
Originally posted by Ludicris
oh by the way, did the second volume of the lupin the third manga come out yet? thanks.
It did for comic shops. Diamond Distributing usually gets stuff out about two weeks before the major bookstores do, on average. Expect it any day now.

Ludicris
02-23-2003, 11:46 AM
oh cool, i cant wait to get it. Is Goemon in this volume and do jigen, fujiko, Lupin, and Goemon work together as a team yet?

thanks.

Lupin the Wolf
02-23-2003, 12:22 PM
Oh heavens no... Jigen is still being developed as a character in this volume. Jigen helps the cops pursue Lupin in one story. Goemon is still not quite yet present. Even in later stories, Fujiko, Lupin, Jigen, and Goemon rarely work together as a team like butter. It's a very dysfunctional combination of thieves. More often than not, it seems like Fujiko is working on her own.

Ludicris
02-23-2003, 02:20 PM
really? Is fujiko even in this volume and in the show it looks like jigen and Lupin are best friends. Does the manga ever portray them as in the show?

Rikou
02-23-2003, 05:47 PM
http://gavzad.keenspot.com/ads/0000040/0002.jpg

Not exactly news, I'm sure, but I was just excited to see Lupin being advertised on one of my favorite websites (Keenspot (http://www.keenspot.net)).

Lupin the Wolf
02-23-2003, 10:08 PM
Originally posted by Ludicris
really? Is fujiko even in this volume and in the show it looks like jigen and Lupin are best friends. Does the manga ever portray them as in the show?

Yes, Fujiko is in the second, as well as the first volume. Jigen and Lupin supposedly hold a childhood-old friendship. Lupin, Jigen, and Goemon tend to work together in the later stories, but the series' mechanics are still being developed in these early volumes. But as I said, Fujiko never seems to be quite as close with the Lupin gang as she is in the anime series.

Ludicris
02-24-2003, 04:57 PM
oh, i was confused about the whole jigen helpig the cops catch lupin. thanks. :)

Ludicris
02-25-2003, 04:42 PM
hey everyone!!! Lupin news, check the adult swim forum and look for lupin takes on the movies or something to that nature. :)

Nin-Nin69
02-27-2003, 10:29 PM
I forgot to add this. Lupin is a character in the computer game Commandos. He is supose to be the theif. ;)

Lecook2274
02-28-2003, 06:08 AM
Originally posted by Ludicris
oh by the way, did the second volume of the lupin the third manga come out yet? thanks.

I bought my copy at a Hastings music and books store last week or the week before. It's also started to show up in the manga section at Media Play.

It's neat being able to see the mechanics of the series develope. It reminds me of when I finally tracked down the six Groo Chronicles Graphic novels that collected the first Groo stories. I especially like the first volume. Groo was a player! He wasn't quite as vacuous as he later became. And there were a lot of funny bare boobies, Conan the Barbarian style. And Groo of course reminds me of Usagi Yojimbo, another comic where it was fun to see the story and style develope.

Ludicris
02-28-2003, 06:30 PM
lol, thanks.

nixice
03-21-2003, 08:01 PM
Stellar info!

I was surprised that the annual specials have still been carrying on -- I never really had much contact with the show or awareness of it (other than knowing that there were a gaggle of old '70s Japanese cartoons such as Astro Boy and Speed Racer that helped form what's now known as anime) until a few years ago, when I heard about the voice actor for Lupin (Yasuo Yamada, correct?) passing away. Apparently, it was something of a day of mourning in Japan, like it was here when Jim Henson or Walt Disney died. Sounds like they were able to keep things on track despite a very popular icon associated with the franchise having to be replaced with another actor.

(Not sure if you're still monitoring your thread, Lupin the Wolf, but it's not really a question anyway -- just a bump for a good posting.)

Chris Wood
03-21-2003, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by nixice
I heard about the voice actor for Lupin (Yasuo Yamada, correct?) passing away. Apparently, it was something of a day of mourning in Japan, like it was here when Jim Henson or Walt Disney died. Sounds like they were able to keep things on track despite a very popular icon associated with the franchise having to be replaced with another actor.


Yeah, it's too bad Yamada isn't still around. He set the standard all subsequent Lupin voice actors will inevitably be compared to. Fortunately the guy they got to replace him (forgot his name) is very talented at doing impressions and he has Yamada's Lupin dead on. You have to listen pretty closely to tell the difference.

Lupin the Wolf
03-23-2003, 05:52 AM
Yeah, it's too bad Yamada isn't still around. He set the standard all subsequent Lupin voice actors will inevitably be compared to. Fortunately the guy they got to replace him (forgot his name) is very talented at doing impressions and he has Yamada's Lupin dead on. You have to listen pretty closely to tell the difference.

His name is Kanichi Kurita. :)
Thanks for the bump. I had given up on ever even seeing this thread come back to the main page again while Lupin TV was going on hiatus. Again, thanks for the props!

On an unrelated note, I held a Lupin the Third panel at the AnimeOasis convention this weekend (Boise, ID), and basically showed a ton of video clips and discussed the characters and background. It was pretty fun, but not a lot of people came to my panel.
Why can't more of you anime fans like Lupin?!
BTW, if any of you are insanely close to the Boise area, the con still has Sunday to go. I'll only go back to pick up my Lupin movies, though. So if anyone from here (in the off-chance) goes, sorry I missed ya!