Lupin the 3rd: To Be or Nazi Be

[SpaceCowboy]

Why did CN air the preview for Lupin the 3rd episode 3, when it's not going to air tonight? Pioneer wanted to "delay" the episode's release in order not to offend people, but how bad is the actual episode when compared to the preview?

If Pioneer was so concerned about offending people, why advertise it when it's not going to be shown?

[sl4]

Originally posted by SpaceCowboy
Why did CN air the preview for Lupin the 3rd episode 3, when it's not going to air tonight? Pioneer wanted to "delay" the episode's release in order not to offend people, but how bad is the actual episode when compared to the preview?

If Pioneer was so concerned about offending people, why advertise it when it's not going to be shown?

My guess is that it was on the same tape with the rest of the episode, and Williams Street would have to change, then eventually un-change the preview. Which costs money. And we all know how Williams Street is always trying to conserve money.

[KingKoopa]

Originally posted by superloud4
My guess is that it was on the same tape with the rest of the episode, and Williams Street would have to change, then eventually un-change the preview. Which costs money. And we all know how Williams Street is always trying to conserve money. If Pioneer was gonna move the episode, they should've moved the episode preview, too. It has nothing to do with WS being lazy, I don't see why Pioneer even had this preview dubbed.

If the episode was going to be on the DVD, I'd understand it. However, this is just stupid. Why did they put the preview on the tape if they weren't gonna air it? It just doesn't make sense.

[Zach Logan]

Im glad theyre not airing it, im one of those people who would probably be offended...

[KingKoopa]

Originally posted by Gogeta NSSJ
Im glad theyre not airing it, im one of those people who would probably be offended... You're also one of the people who wouldn't have to watch.

[Zach Logan]

True, I dont plan to watch it if it airs...although i have to somehow tune in in time for the commercials...

[Achika]

They're delaying it so it doesn't offend people now.

But won't it offend people later when it does come out? :confused:

[Taco Addict]

yes but they hope people will like lupin enough by then, that they wont lose veiwers from something like that episode.

Edit:This is my 100th post. yay.

[Joe Tully]

Originally posted by Achika
They're delaying it so it doesn't offend people now.

But won't it offend people later when it does come out? :confused:

They think that airing it now would cause enough protesting to possibly get the series removed/discontinued on DVD. But if they let it air for a while, they think that it might get so well-established that it's minimally affected by any protests that pop up.

I don't really agree with the logic 100%, but it's their money on the line, so I guess I can see how they are being overly cautious.

[Jethro_McB]

This is no different than when they delayed some episodes of Bebop due to "questionable content" following the terrorist attacks in 2001, but still aired the previews (which usually had the "offensive" scenes in them.) I know they did it - the suckiest preview EVER (Sympathy for the Devil - "It's these LIDS, man!") sticks out in my mind.

[PeppeRaskell1]

This looks like one of those "let's wait 'till the DVD comes out" episodes, because that's probably the only way we'll all be able to see it.

[KingKoopa]

Originally posted by Jethro_McB
This is no different than when they delayed some episodes of Bebop due to "questionable content" following the terrorist attacks in 2001, but still aired the previews (which usually had the "offensive" scenes in them.) I know they did it - the suckiest preview EVER (Sympathy for the Devil - "It's these LIDS, man!") sticks out in my mind. This IS different. Those episodes were originally intended to air, but 9/11 caused them not to. This episode was never intended to air, so I don't know why they even dubbed the preview. As far as Pioneer is concerned, this episode doesn't exist yet, so I don't know why they did the preview for it.

[SirLemming]

My guess is they figure that the only people this will annoy are people like us who will have pointless discussions about it, but keep watching the show anyway.

[Shnay]

It is a totally different thing, Jetro. That was a time-related thing. The reason they aired the episode in the second run was that more time had passed, and people's sensitivities and emotions had calmed down immensely.

With this, it's not like Nazi related material will become less offensive within a year. Time isn't the issue this...time. The issue, as others have said, is that the show has to establish itself first. They don't want to turn off viewers by the third episode.

[Artemis]

Maybe they dubbed the episode already, but pulled it from the DVD release because they started thinking about how it might offend people. Maybe the first thought was to release it after all.

[KingKoopa]

Originally posted by Artemis
Maybe they dubbed the episode already, but pulled it from the DVD release because they started thinking about how it might offend people. Maybe the first thought was to release it after all. That's definately possible, but I still don't see why they wouldn't cut the preview and replace it with whatever they were going to use.

[Jin Kazama]

Excuse my ignorance, but what exactly is offensive about the episode? I know it has something to do with Nazis (obviously, by the title), but what exactly Nazi-ish is the problem? Does it show Nazi's in a good light? Or is it just that it talks about them?

[KingKoopa]

Apparently, it makes fun of Nazis, but it has a scene where Lupin dresses up as Hitler.

[Arde]

Originally posted by KingKoopa
Apparently, it makes fun of Nazis, but it has a scene where Lupin dresses up as Hitler.
Kinda lame excuse for Pioneer to get rid of the Nazi ep, isn't it?
We've seen worse stuffs about Nazis everywhere on TV even on CN itself.

[Joe Tully]

Originally posted by Arde
Kinda lame excuse for Pioneer to get rid of the Nazi ep, isn't it?
We've seen worse stuffs about Nazis everywhere on TV even on CN itself.

On CN? Not really. Toonheads got around the problem with the documentary-style. What else is there? A couple of vague references to Hitler in one Justice League, which also had one quick glimpse of him. And you should know that CN is different from other networks in these matters, so comparing it to other networks isn't really fair.

It's kinda hard for anyone to judge whether it's a big deal without actually seeing the episode. My instinct is that they could probably air it with few problems, but like I said before, if it's your money on the line, you want to take every precaution. I just hope we eventually get to see it.

[Umino]

Originally posted by KingKoopa
Apparently, it makes fun of Nazis, but it has a scene where Lupin dresses up as Hitler.

That kinda stupid for Pioneer since I've seen Bugs Bunny dress as Hitler once..... damn anime don'st get away with anything....

[Beat]

1. The CN shouldn't be different.

2. I think that the CN is trying to make Lupin into a Futurama style sensation. So Hilter and other stuff like that is going to make it cult, which is what they don't wnat.

3. Like those two Bebop eps, it should air eventually.

[G1Ravage]

The Nazis were terrible people who most of the world hate. Why should making fun of them offend people?

I mean, if the show was GLORIFYING the Nazis, or showing the main characters WORSHIPPING them or something, then that could be a problem. But making fun of them??? Geez....

And who's to be offended? I'm Jewish, and I have no problem with this.

[Chris Wood]

Apparently in the episode there is an elderly German man who knows where some treasure was hidden long ago in Berlin, but has lost his memory. Lupin and company play-act to pretend its the 1940s and try to jog the man's memory. This involves Lupin dressing up like Hitler. Needless to say it is probably not a very flattering portrayal.

[Master Moron]

I think the reason Pioneer included the preview on the DVDs is because purists would want it that way. I mean, they would want the right preview for the right episode right?

Besides, maybe after the episode finally does air they'll put it back in rotation in the correct order. By keeping the correct preview in, it'll save them some trouble.

Also, airing the preview to an "controversial" episode that won't air for several months will generate hype, which will improve ratings. Maybe Cartoon Network will even advertise it as a "lost" episode.

[candy17]

Apparently, it makes fun of Nazis, but it has a scene where Lupin dresses up as Hitler.

Originally posted by Arde
Kinda lame excuse for Pioneer to get rid of the Nazi ep, isn't it?
We've seen worse stuffs about Nazis everywhere on TV even on CN itself.

Exactly. CN airs that Toonheads special about WWII cartoons (which had four cartoons with Nazi symbolism) and yet, they won't touch this with a ten-foot pole. It's hypocracy, I tell ya...but it doesn't make me hate CN or Adult Swim. I just wanted to say that.

Maybe CN will lighten up and air it.

:D Good bye.

Also, airing the preview to a "controversial" episode that won't air for several months will generate hype, which will improve ratings. Maybe Cartoon Network will even advertise it as a "lost" episode.

Maybe.

[Zero Angel]

i think it was probably the worst decision that Pioneer has ever made when releasing anime. the removal of an episode is self censoring to the nth degree.

the reason? we dont want to offend anyone. HA!

if they were concerned about not offending anyone then why do they have series with fanservice release? Hand Maid May comes to mind.

we as americans push and shove about not being so pc that it would prevent us from expressing ourselves yet we will censor out episodes from a show not from our own soil. how silly is that?

[Artemis]

Originally posted by candy17
Exactly. CN airs that Toonheads special about WWII cartoons (which had four cartoons with Nazi symbolism) and yet, they won't touch this with a ten-foot pole. It's hypocracy, I tell ya...but it doesn't make me hate CN or Adult Swim. I just wanted to say that.

Maybe CN will lighten up and air it.

:D Good bye.



Maybe.

Remember this was PIONEER'S decision. Not Cartoon Network.

[Crimefighter]

Originally posted by KingKoopa
Apparently, it makes fun of Nazis, but it has a scene where Lupin dresses up as Hitler.

Oh bah, Moe Howard of the Three Stooges did the same thing on a couple of their short films. No one was rushing to get the series banned. I KNOW they filmed them during the WWII era to help fire up the troops, but hey, they're still showing those shows on TV here and there.

[cronomorph]

I confused as to what is going on. They aired the preview for the 3rd episode, but they're not going to air it, at least for the time being. From what I'm reading here, am I to understand that the episode isn't on the DVD's as well?

[sl4]

Originally posted by cronomorph
I confused as to what is going on. They aired the preview for the 3rd episode, but they're not going to air it, at least for the time being. From what I'm reading here, am I to understand that the episode isn't on the DVD's as well?

Bingo, you win the prize! They're afraid it'll give people a bad idea of the series, and are planning to eventually release it once more of the other episodes have been made available. It doesn't make much sense to me either, but they're weird. :D

[Vekou]

Originally posted by Desslar
Apparently in the episode there is an elderly German man who knows where some treasure was hidden long ago in Berlin, but has lost his memory. Lupin and company play-act to pretend its the 1940s and try to jog the man's memory. This involves Lupin dressing up like Hitler. Needless to say it is probably not a very flattering portrayal.
Who in the world would be offended by an unflattering portrayal of Hitler? I still don't understand why they had to cut this.

[Shnay]

Originally posted by Vekou
Who in the world would be offended by an unflattering portrayal of Hitler? I still don't understand why they had to cut this.

Some would say that it makes light of a grave period in history. Some would say that dressing up as Hitler and acting goofy isn't taking the horrible effect his actions had seriously.

Whether or not that's logical, is up to you to decide.

[Zach Logan]

Originally posted by superloud4
Bingo, you win the prize! They're afraid it'll give people a bad idea of the series, and are planning to eventually release it once more of the other episodes have been made available. It doesn't make much sense to me either, but they're weird. :D

Im one of the few who would think thats understandable :cool:

[SSDDR]

Actualy lupin isnt mean to hitler or anything, he just starts laughing in his usual way once they guy tells him what he wants.