Yu Yu Hakusho's opening gone

[Master Moron]

Well, it's official, the cutting of openings is definitely not a time issue, and despite Matt Wilson saying that Adult Swim doesn't care about consistensy, Adult Swim has now started cutting Yu Yu Hakusho's opening to make it consistent with the other action shows.

Hmmmm...well, Bebop's opening just aired, but I think that's because the opening on the first episode comes AFTER the first scene. So, if I had to guess I'd say it's gonna be like Gundam 0080 and Big O how they showed the opening for the first episode only because it's inside the episode and would be hard to edit out. Well, we'll find out tomorrow.

The other possibility is that Cartoon Network just plain doesn't like the openings to Lupin, Inu-yasha, and Yu Yu Hakusho. But, that would be stupid. I mean, I really don't think they should replace openings just cause "they don't like them". I mean, I can't stand the openings to Oblongs or Ripping Friends but that doesn't mean that if I was an working for Cartoon Network I'd cut them out just cause I personally don't like them. That's ridiculous.

Well, needless to say, I'm pretty pissed right now. I think it's time to start writing angry letters to Cartoon Network again. I wonder if I still have their e-mail address around. Urgh...I can't believe they lied to me and told me the openings were cut for time. Well, actually I can. It's not the first time Cartoon Networks lied. Can't think of a good way to end this post...so I'll just do this:

Bring back the openings!!!!!

[Killtacular]

Xerox time.

I think the real problem is that the ASA shows haven't been pulling in enough 18-34 viewers to interest advertisers, so the costs are reduced, which means less money for CN. In order to compensate, they air 2 extra minutes of advertising per half hour, instead of airing an interstital.

The only reason Cowboy Bebop would keep its OP is because it HAS gotten adult viewers. Plus the fact that it's on so late at night anyway.

If ASA can prove to get 18-34 people to watch it, then maybe CN will restore the OPs. So try and get college chums to tune in.

[Killtacular]

And if you think Inuyasha's #29 2.0 rating means ANYTHING, it doesn't. You know it's only high-rated because teens and kids are watching it. The adult population does not watch it nearly as much.

I've read press releases and ASC pulls in much higher adult ratings (0.9 for 18-34) than ASA ever has. If ASA can match that, then CN might try to help fans out. But until then, they have to please the sponsors.

[Master Moron]

Originally posted by Matt Wilson
Xerox time.

I think the real problem is that the ASA shows haven't been pulling in enough 18-34 viewers to interest advertisers, so the costs are reduced, which means less money for CN. In order to compensate, they air 2 extra minutes of advertising per half hour, instead of airing an interstital.

The only reason Cowboy Bebop would keep its OP is because it HAS gotten adult viewers. Plus the fact that it's on so late at night anyway.

If ASA can prove to get 18-34 people to watch it, then maybe CN will restore the OPs. So try and get college chums to tune in.

Yeah, okay, but what about Lupin and Futurama. Both these series just started airing on Adult Swim, so no one would have any idea what sort of ratings these shows would get. But, they didn't cut Futurama's opening for an extra 30 seconds of advertising or whatever, so why would they cut Lupins? Has Ripping Friends gotten adult viewers? How bout they cut that piece of crap opening for more advertising time?

It guess it has something to do with the fact that Adult Swim action and comedy are still considered seperate entities. Which seems silly to me since they're both on the same night and both get the same style of promos. I mean, maybe the reason Cowboy Bebop got adult viewers is because when it first aired it was treated exactly the same as the comedy shows. If Cartoon Network wants to get the same type of ratings for the action shows and the comedy shows then they should group them together and stop using the term "Adult Swim Action".

[Killtacular]

Yeah, okay, but what about Lupin and Futurama. Both these series just started airing on Adult Swim, so no one would have any idea what sort of ratings these shows would get. But, they didn't cut Futurama's opening for an extra 30 seconds of advertising or whatever, so why would they cut Lupins? Has Ripping Friends gotten adult viewers? How bout they cut that piece of crap opening for more advertising time?

Because CN is trusting that Futurama will get ratings, which it will.

With Lupin, CN isn't going to make any assumption that an Action show will get good 18-34 ratings, after the other action shows didn't.

Plus, we don't know the syndication requirements. I know they're required to have FOX's logo at the end. Perhaps they're required to keep the episode's opening intact as well.

I mean, maybe the reason Cowboy Bebop got adult viewers is because when it first aired it was treated exactly the same as the comedy shows. If Cartoon Network wants to get the same type of ratings for the action shows and the comedy shows then they should group them together and stop using the term "Adult Swim Action".

The reason Cowboy Bebop got adult viewers is because all of its story and content was exclusively appealing to 18-34 (I consider the teens here outliers). Inuyasha, though the mainstream will probably consider it adult, has some story elements in it (Kagome and high school) that would appeal more to teens and kids.

Reign, Trigun, and Ghost in the Shell will probably attract the same amount of people that Bebop did.

I don't think it has anything to do with Cowboy Bebop having the ASC look in September. And besides, these shows DO have ASC's look, with an extra mini-style for the commercials and schedule. So it's not really a factor.

[Master Moron]

Originally posted by Matt Wilson
Because CN is trusting that Futurama will get ratings, which it will.

You're a psychic now?


Originally posted by Matt Wilson
I don't think it has anything to do with Cowboy Bebop having the ASC look in September. And besides, these shows DO have ASC's look, with an extra mini-style for the commercials and schedule. So it's not really a factor.

I was referring to the ad that advertised the 12-2 timeslot as "adult swim action," as opposed to just a part of the 11-2 adult swim block. Also, back when Cowboy Bebop was on Sunday nights it used to be advertised during the comedy shows, we rarely see action shows advertised during the comedy shows nowadays. Though, I do believe the look being the same for the comedy and action shows will have a positive effect.

[Killtacular]

You're a psychic now?

It's already attracted a bunch of Futurama fans from websites, newsgroups, and whatnot. That's of course, a minority, but I think the mainstream will follow. Whenever Futurama was advertised on FOX, it did superb in the ratings.

[KingKoopa]

I don't really care about Yu Yu's opening, as long as they kept Bebop's it's fine with me. I've seen YYH's enough as it is.

[Masamune2052]

Jeeze, I haven't even seen my tape yet and I'm informed the OP is gone. I just hope the Toonami op isn't lame..............

[Naraku]

Oh Well, this is why I buy the DVDs. **** Cartoon Network. And **** Adult Swim.

[Dogasu]

The whole "part of the episode started before the OP, so it would look weird to edit it out" argument doesn't really hold considering that Toonami did that for all 26 (well, OK, 25) episodes of Outlaw Star. The little prologue things at the beginning would air, then the OP, and then the rest of the episode.

[talibancity]

This is really crazy that they're cutting OPs. CN was way ahead of schedule yesterday. Inu Yasha was done and over with at 12:53. That's 7 MINUTES for commercials. Then YuYu started at like 12:58. I think they have time to add a 90 second intro. Plus, like Toonami, they should have shown the new intro for the first episode with the new intro.

[Killtacular]

They weren't too ahead of schedule. Cowboy Bebop was the only show that started 2 minutes early, but otherwise, those extra minutes went to the advertisers, as I just said.

The whole "part of the episode started before the OP, so it would look weird to edit it out" argument doesn't really hold considering that Toonami did that for all 26 (well, OK, 25) episodes of Outlaw Star. The little prologue things at the beginning would air, then the OP, and then the rest of the episode.

Plus, if CN were just too lazy to change episode 1, they would still have showed an AS OP for Cowboy Bebop either way. Gundam 0080, for example, has a Toonami/AS OP, AND the first episode contains the OP.

Since Bebop didn't have a special AS OP last night, I don't think one will pop up tonight or any night.

[Achika]

Originally posted by Matt Wilson
If ASA can match that, then CN might try to help fans out.

Try to help fans out?

Don't try to act so naive because we know you aren't. :)

[Masamune2052]

I just watched it and what struck me was that they couldn't even get some new music. Instead were fed some reprocessed Toonami beats. Other than that it's ok, I especially liked what Rando said: You have caused me pain............ I do not like that.

[Spastic Minnow]

Am I the only one that thought the lyrics to that opening were beyond dumb? The rest of it was fine, but the lyrics and that singer's voice were just plain bad.

[CryptiniteDemon]

I don't get you people. Why the frick do you care about the stupid opening? It's not like it plays some almighty role in the plot of things. If anything they get in the way by making you wait a minute and a half longer.

Give me a good reason.

[Masamune2052]

One big point is that in Japan, most anime intros aren't just little electornic beats made by high school students. There are big name JPop and JRock groups that do the songs for the OP and the ED. Also, you can usually find the best animation and art in the OP/ED.

[Disco Pete]

I just hope they don't touch the Cowboy Bebop OP. I'm fine with them cutting YYH's OP, but don't take away TANK!

[DarkMaster]

originally posted " CN just doesn't like the openings"

It's actually because they can't have the original openings if they can't get the rights to some of them. Which is why Williams Street made the custom openings. It's kinda of hard for them to switch between both. Sometimes they do put them up for you. :)

[JetMaster5]

Originally posted by Matt Wilson
It's already attracted a bunch of Futurama fans from websites, newsgroups, and whatnot. That's of course, a minority, but I think the mainstream will follow. Whenever Futurama was advertised on FOX, it did superb in the ratings.

It was also advertised in subways in NY, buses in NY, and radios in NY. That should get some attention from New Yorkers. Hell, I've even been hearing some of New Yorkers talking about Futurama when I'm in buses.

[Masamune2052]

Originally posted by Matt Wilson
Whenever Futurama was advertised on FOX, it did superb in the ratings.
They were also new episodes. That's usually a pretty important factor in T.V.

[Coollead]

There are Futurama billboards everywhere, Including Chicago. Every 1 in 4 busses in Chicago has either a GTA:VC ad or a Futurama ad. They are getting the word out.

WATCH THE FUTURE...AGAIN...AND AGAIN...AND AGAIN...

[CLStorm]

You STILL work at Best Buy, you know what that means. :P

Those billboards are all around in Boston too.

[Master Moron]

Originally posted by CryptiniteDemon
I don't get you people. Why the frick do you care about the stupid opening? It's not like it plays some almighty role in the plot of things. If anything they get in the way by making you wait a minute and a half longer.

Give me a good reason.

It has to with pacing and pumping the audience up. I mean, when I see a good opening it really gets my pulse racing and gets me excited to watch a show. Sure, the openings may just be a part of the presentation, but the presentation matters. When Adult Swim first started I thought seeing the opening to Cowboy Bebop was the coolest thing. It was just like watching it on DVD. It felt like Cartoon Network was treating the show respectfully. It made me happy that an American cable network shows anime almost exactly like it would be seen on a DVD(by the way, yes, I'm aware of the minor edits on Bebop).

When I see the clip openings they use now, it makes me sad. The illusion that they had respect for the shows is gone. The clip openings don't get me pumped up for the show. The clip openings make me want to change the channel. It just feels like I'm going into a show in the middle of it. It gives me much less enjoyment, like I'm not watching a complete show.

[SirLemming]

American openings are designed for American TV, taking into consideration all the time constraints and advertising considerations (whoa, that was one bad sentence). I guess Japanese openings tend to be more long-winded, and thus are more likely to get cut. As was just mentioned, Futurama's opening is only 30 seconds long. And of course, occasionally American openings DO get cut, or severely shortened, as with The Simpsons -- sometimes on new eps, ALWAYS on syndicated ones. And in that case they actually do shorten every single episode by about 10 seconds or so to make more room for advertising. I've already noticed it with the newer seasons re-airing.

As for certain Japanese shows getting their openings cut and not others, well, I guess that's a whole other ballgame.

[Zach Logan]

U can still watch it on my site :D

I am mad that the intro was taken off, but what can u do?

[Gruntling]

Yes, that's really disapointing. It's too bad that they continue to do this. Well, I don't have much to worry about though because I'm getting the new YYH DVDs soon anyway...

[Master Moron]

They just aired a Wonder Twins short before Yu Yu Hakusho, so it's obvious that advertising time isn't the issue.