View Full Version : If CN becomes an all ages channel...
Artemis
11-12-2002, 08:53 PM
...does that mean Adult Swim will have the freedom to start earlier?
adultswimfan
11-12-2002, 08:56 PM
Hey, I never thought of that. I sure as hell hope so!
Killtacular
11-12-2002, 08:57 PM
It would at least mean that CN could advertise AS whenever they wanted, ala FOX, WB, etc.
I'm hoping it will eventually.
Actually last night I had a strange dream where AS Weeknights started sooner than they should have, by a few months, and was from like 8 to 11.
And even though that seems kind of far-fetched, this is coming from a guy who wouldn't have discovered AS at all if he (me) hadn't had a dream about something similar to AS on another channel. The strangest part was, though, that Mission Hill and another show (forget which though) were on the imaginary block. And I had never even heard of either of them until the week after.
Crazy, yes? :confused:
Shnay
11-12-2002, 09:05 PM
I'm still confused as to how this is going to work, exactly. How is CN going to "officially" become an all ages network all of a sudden? Is this because they've been airing AS for a certain amount of time? Is it something they applied for with an agency like the BS&P? Or is it just an announcement they are going to make that'll "officially" make it an all ages network?
Anyone know? :confused:
Originally posted by Shnay
I'm still confused as to how this is going to work, exactly. How is CN going to "officially" become an all ages network all of a sudden? Is this because they've been airing AS for a certain amount of time? Is it something they applied for with an agency like the BS&P? Or is it just an announcement they are going to make that'll "officially" make it an all ages network?
Anyone know? :confused:
"Well, that's it for DBZ. Now, here's some stuff your mommy doesn't want you to see! Because Cartoon Network's not for little wussy babies anymore! All little kids should stay away, it's time for Adult Swim! And yes, we know it's only 5:00!" :p
Charred Knight
11-12-2002, 09:12 PM
Originally posted by Artemis
...does that mean Adult Swim will have the freedom to start earlier?
Yes, if they were all ages they could start Adult Swim at say 7.
The only thing is that all MA programs must be 10 after.
They will also get more freedom in what they can show.
Forgive my ignorance, but when was this announced? and what does it mean?
jrh31584
11-12-2002, 09:17 PM
I think they would probably start it at 8 or 9, but I don't think that it would be any earlier than that.
SirLemming
11-12-2002, 10:18 PM
Yeah, Shany's question was completely unanswered, and it's my question as well.
John Miles
11-12-2002, 10:35 PM
Does this mean Cartoon Network can lay off those annoying-as-hell Barbie and Diva Starz commercials fulltime in favor of the kind of commercials we see during Adult Swim?
livingfruitvirus
11-12-2002, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by jrh31584
I think they would probably start it at 8 or 9, but I don't think that it would be any earlier than that.
Probably. Cartoon Cartoon Primetime's the 2nd best block on the network right now next to Toonami. CN's gonna definitely keep it around.
I'm still confused as to how this is going to work, exactly. How is CN going to "officially" become an all ages network all of a sudden? Is this because they've been airing AS for a certain amount of time? Is it something they applied for with an agency like the BS&P? Or is it just an announcement they are going to make that'll "officially" make it an all ages network?
Well this is an "IF CN becomes all ages" thread. No one ever said "when." CN is currently labeled as a children's network, meaning all programming and ads must be suitable for people under 18. Turner could redesignate it from "childrens" to "all ages." Meaning the network could exclude children from ads or programming, like TV-MA programming, ads for alcohol, R-rated movies, M-rated games (if anyone's wondering why Unreal Tournament and those games are not advertised on CN it's because they're a children's network). This is most likely something that would happen in silence. They wouldn't put it in a press release, because people wouldn't know what the hell they're talking about.
Mynd Hed
11-12-2002, 10:49 PM
Well this is an "IF CN becomes all ages" thread. No one ever said "when." CN is currently labeled as a children's network, meaning all programming and ads must be suitable for people under 18. Turner could redesignate it from "childrens" to "all ages." Meaning the network could exclude children from ads or programming, like TV-MA programming, ads for alcohol, R-rated movies, M-rated games (if anyone's wondering why Unreal Tournament and those games are not advertised on CN it's because they're a children's network). This is most likely something that would happen in silence. They wouldn't put it in a press release, because people wouldn't know what the hell they're talking about.
The man's question still stands though, and maybe I'm dumb but the same question is on my mind. WHAT exactly does this mean in practical terms? What is a network's "designation"? Is it a matter of registration with some organization such as the FCC or the BS&P? Or is it just an informal thing? Is anybody listening? Does anybody care?
Where did all this conversation stem from? What happened to make this a discussion?
ohmrbill
11-12-2002, 11:17 PM
I thought I remembered someone mentioning that CN could become an all-ages network in 2003? What was the deal with that?
Outside Angel
11-13-2002, 10:17 AM
Haven't heard anything about CN becoming all ages, so I'm assuming this is all in theory...course, I'm probably wrong, being that I almost always am... But it would be really, really great to see CN finally become more oriented to people of all age groups. Especially because we'd have the chance to see some of the better anime getting TV runs, especially after 10, when they can show TV-MA rated stuff. I'm not so sure how many parents would agree with my feelings, and this is probably the biggest hang-up. But, if they did, CN'd be sure to keep Toonami and Cartoon Cartoon, since that's their best rated stuff...though this could have something to do with the convienient time slots (My friend's kids, for example, always watch Toonami, possibly because it's on right as they're getting home from school) So, yeah, it would seriously rock, and I'd love to see AS run earlier, 'specially 'cause I have to get up for work early Monday morning, so I'm always dragging, having stayed up to watch ASC that Sunday night.
Killtacular
11-13-2002, 12:19 PM
It's happening in January. Thus, the New Years Eve marathon.
They won't air Adult Swim before 11 PM for a while, and they'll probably never put it on before 9 PM. You'll just have to live with this.
Diva Starz commercials don't air during Adult Swim. I'm not sure what you're talking about there. But remember that this is the holiday season, and toy companies are trying to put out advertising to parents so that they know what to buy for their children. That's why you'll see something like Baby Born, because a mom will see that and think "my son might"-- er, I mean, "my daughter might want that." Um, heh. Heh heh.
As for the other advertising, it will probably allow AS to get liquor sponsors. I'm not sure if they'll want to or not, but considering Williams Street must be full of heavy drinkers (or heavy SOMETHING, anyway), they might.
The 18-34 sponsors that AS needs are companies like car manufacturers, liquor, R-rated movies (Jackass would be a good example), M-rated video games (UT2003, anyone?), and cross-network promotion for other stations' adult programming (example: Comedy Central sometimes airs ads for Late Show with David Letterman).
Right now, AS doesn't get much of that at all.
Instead, they're attracting 12-24 sponsors. 12-24 sponsors include E to T-rated video games, commercials with a focus on extreme sports (Bagel Bites), teenage-aimed music groups (Michelle Branch, Green Day), PG-13 movies, etc.
THEY DON'T WANT 12-24. I can't stress this enough (unless I'm wrong. Then I'll run away, crying).
Mynd Hed
11-13-2002, 01:25 PM
I thought I remembered someone mentioning that CN could become an all-ages network in 2003? What was the deal with that?
I think it was part of the same announcement about Adult Swim switching to Sunday through Thursday and recombining action and comedy, but I could be wrong.
livingfruitvirus
11-13-2002, 01:34 PM
Originally posted by Matt Wilson
The 18-34 sponsors that AS needs are companies like car manufacturers, liquor, R-rated movies (Jackass would be a good example), M-rated video games (UT2003, anyone?), and cross-network promotion for other stations' adult programming (example: Comedy Central sometimes airs ads for Late Show with David Letterman).
Honda is advertising in the 10 PM - 2 AM spot across the week on CN. That's the first automobile sponsor for Cartoon Network if I'm not mistaken.
John Miles
11-13-2002, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by Matt Wilson
Diva Starz commercials don't air during Adult Swim. I'm not sure what you're talking about there. But remember that this is the holiday season, and toy companies are trying to put out advertising to parents so that they know what to buy for their children. That's why you'll see something like Baby Born, because a mom will see that and think "my son might"-- er, I mean, "my daughter might want that." Um, heh. Heh heh.
Read my post again. I asked if they would lay off those kinds of commercials in favor of more adult and teen-aimed commercials. I doubt they would want to abandon the children's advertising market completely, but maybe Cartoon Network could start to slowly bring more teen and adult-aimed commercials earlier into the day, say, earlier during CC Primetime. Not nessicarily commercials for R-rated moves and alcohol, but just more general audience commercials for cars and stuff like that.
When CN becomes an all-age channel that means that there will be less restrictions in regards to editing,right?So by that CN should be able to show even more adult material without having the BS&P giving them too much hassle.Well,that's what I beleive will occur...
What standards of editing do you beleive will be changed once CN turns into an all-age channel?
flatsco
11-19-2002, 09:10 PM
I would like to see CN pull an MTV (I don't mean they should spawn a good sequel channel and spiral into suckdom, but rather spawn a second, more adult-oriented channel).
As a young adult, I am happy that CN turned from all children's programming to a more for-all-ages lineup. However, as someone who may one day have the chance to consider breeding, I appreciate the premise Cartoon Network originally took, showing primarily children's programing. The problem with an all-ages CN is that it will result in fewer children's programming.
So, why ruin a good thing (for the kids... the kids...) and change CN? The solution? Create a new channel the the adult to feature the adult-oriented while reverting the original CN to its original form.
Think of it... Adult Swim, 24/7! Granted, CN would have to acquire much more programming, so its probably quite a few years down the road before its even a possibility, but that would be something I would like to see.
EightOh
11-19-2002, 09:25 PM
The only problem with that is, as you said, getting enough program. Six episodes of Home Movies a day, while a nice thought at first, would get very old very quickly. ;)
Mynd Hed
11-19-2002, 10:20 PM
However, as someone who may one day have the chance to consider breeding, I appreciate the premise Cartoon Network originally took, showing primarily children's programing. The problem with an all-ages CN is that it will result in fewer children's programming.
Only by two or three hours a day (after the schedule change in January, that is), and only during a time slot in which not many children are watching anyway.
There is already one ostensibly all-children's network on basic cable, Nickelodeon (Nick at Nite excluded, although personally as a child I enjoyed the classic programming. In any case, with the wide availability of TV Land on basic cable, I think most people would agree that Nick at Nite is no longer necessary and should be eliminated.). Now for those who have digital cable, there's even a second option: Nickelodeon's spinoff creation, Noggin.
Cartoon Network is just that: a network dedicated to cartoons, NOT necessarily a network dedicated to children. I personally am all in favor of their branching out and offering more representation to ALL forms of animation. In fact, I'd like to see them carry it even further and air some arthouse, film-festival type stuff by up-and-coming animators. More variety in their animation does nothing but help Cartoon Network to achieve their ostensible purpose.
It is to be hoped that someday there will be enough quality adult-oriented animation available to fill up an entire 24-hour-a-day, 7-day-a-week network. But until that day, I favor the availability of adult-oriented animation wherever possible, and as of right now Cartoon Network is one of the most logical places on television for adult-oriented animation to be made available.
meatwad945
11-20-2002, 06:55 AM
umm ive always considered CN a all ages chanell
mrboogaloo
11-20-2002, 10:54 AM
screw CN becoming all ages, your thinking too small, lets just have Adult SWim: The Channel! yay! everybody is happy! of course that would cost a whole mess more than producing a few dozen cartoons, it would be like when CN first started, constantly showing cartoons from the sixties, ahh well, its a dream anyway
mrboogaloo
11-20-2002, 10:56 AM
and yes i realize i am just copying the idea that someone has already made....sometimes i don't read all the posts, man get off my back! its still a good idea right? made us all believe again? ok i go now.
Mynd Hed
11-20-2002, 01:43 PM
its still a good idea right?
Simply put, no, at this point I don't think it's a good idea at all. It would be too expensive, with too small a target audience and too little available programming, to be economically viable at this time. I don't want to see an Adult Swim Channel appear, just to get cancelled within a year and cause Cartoon Network to lose a lot of money and respect. I hope that someday the situation changes to the point where an Adult Swim Channel becomes an economic possibility, but I don't think that day is today, or tomorrow either.
FredNash
11-20-2002, 02:36 PM
what's wrong with showing commercials for alcohol during kid's programs?
ohmrbill
11-20-2002, 02:45 PM
Gee, what do you think? :rolleyes:
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