How will Williams Street handle the news of a All Anime channel?

[Dalamar13]

How do you think they will react to this news. Since WS/CN are really cable's only provider of anime. Well, anime worth watching anyway.


BTW: If this don't belong here do something with it. I also started this thread at the Toonami board.

[Rypkord]

third time tonight saying the same thing w00t!

Anyways, as alwas i think people are makeing a big deal out of nothing...all they have are plans for an anime channel that isn't backed by any major tv company like CN is. I have a feeling that there overall plan for a 24/7 anime network is a little flawed, and hopefully as time passes it becomes more clear what they have planned. ADV has a decent lineup of anime to put out there, do they have enough interesting anime to keep 168 hours of anime fresh and new and actually interesting? How many times can someone watch Eva before it gets old...these are questions they have to deal with and i don't think they have what it takes right now for it to be THAT much of a success.

[VinceA]

I think it will be a while before this anime channel has the penetration that CN has currently. Also, there's name recognition to deal with... just about everyone knows what Cartoon means so they know what "Cartoon Network" is doing. Not everyone knows what the word anime means so it may take a little advertising

[stanteau]

I think it's a horrible idea myself.ADV will zoom through their entire collection in about 6 months,and there is no way in hell they will find financial backing that would make it worth buying the channel.Plus,how many people actually wanna sit and watch anime all damn day?I love my ****in anime,but even I gotta take breaks from time to time.Plus most of the hardcore watchers have seen the majority of the stuff and younger generation (the core audience) has no interest in most channels.And if it's subscribe,I don't see it being too much of a hit whatsoever.Time will tell,but there's my 2 cents.

[jeffrey 228]

Well this may get the ratings quite low for Cartoon Network, but it also means more of the old fashioned Cartoons may return if Toonami cuts there time to there show.

[Charred Knight]

The problem is that this will most likely be like International Channel and be small time.

So the other major dub companies will still give the anime with the best chance to make it to CN.

[livingfruitvirus]

I hope Anime Network is more of a niche channel and less of a mainstream channel. I mean, Excel Saga is definitely not a mainstream show.

[Artemis]

They don't have anything to worry about yet. The Anime Channel will most likely be niche and not many people will have it. Anime companies who want their shows to have the widest exposure and make the most money possible would want them to be on Cartoon Network.

[Beat]

I'm smelling a TechTV vibe, where it will be mostly on digitlal, but on basic for some.

[KingKoopa]

People aren't expecting this to be as big as it will. ADV realizes that people aren't gonna watch 24/7, so they can keep moving their schedule around to get it to slots where people haven't seen it yet. They have series that can be brought high in popularity, they have everything but sponsors, which is something even Adult Swim didn't have at first.

There are quite a few anime fans out there. They'll be petitioning their cable company every day to get this channel. The cable companies see $$$, and they pick it up. You people underestimate what this will be. People will probably still watch Adult Swim, especially if ADV's anime is all they'll be showing, which I have to doubt. I'm betting that alot of big-name series will be on this, like Saint Seiya, Rurouni Kenshin, Lupin III, and more. Especially with the decrease in Adult Swim Action to one/two hours of shows, perhaps even FUNimation will sell something to this (especially if Yu Yu was indeed cancelled, which I really doubt).

[Killtacular]

I seriously don't think Lupin will be on ADV's channel. Pioneer's deal is for 7 years. ADV's channel probably won't even exist for longer than a year.

[Beat]

Originally posted by Matt Wilson
I seriously don't think Lupin will be on ADV's channel. Pioneer's deal is for 7 years. ADV's channel probably won't even exist for longer than a year.

You are so damn pessimistic, y-know that?

[Artimus Gigan]

Does ADV have the rights to Ping Pong Club?

[KingKoopa]

Originally posted by Matt Wilson
I seriously don't think Lupin will be on ADV's channel. Pioneer's deal is for 7 years. ADV's channel probably won't even exist for longer than a year. Well, why do you say that?

People thought the same thing about Adult Swim, y'know. They thought that an adult cartoon audience wouldn't bring in enough of an audience, and that it'd be cancelled by that time next year. Look what happened then.

There IS an audience for anime. This channel will most likely work out, although, there IS a chance you'll be right.

[Charred Knight]

The audience of Adult Swim Action is mostly kids, thats why CN removed it and merged the products.

CN said it themselves, due to kids staying up late to watch ASA, they weren't getting the Adult demographic they wanted, so they couldn't sell adult commercials on a block where a lot of kids where watching, and they couldn't sell commercials for kids on a block advertised for Adults.

[Chris Wood]

Lupin on TV? Sweet!!!!!

[KingKoopa]

Originally posted by Charred Knight
The audience of Adult Swim Action is mostly kids, thats why CN removed it and merged the products.

CN said it themselves, due to kids staying up late to watch ASA, they weren't getting the Adult demographic they wanted, so they couldn't sell adult commercials on a block where a lot of kids where watching, and they couldn't sell commercials for kids on a block advertised for Adults. That easily could've been just an excuse, but with FUNi bragging about its 12-17 ratings, I doubt it. Still, I was mainly talking about Adult Swim as a whole, because the Comedy block is becoming more and more mainstream by the day.

[Jeff Harris]

Another thing I'm trying to understand a few things like this:

-Where in the hell is this "ADV's-going-to-fill-the-Anime-Network-with-just-shows-from-their-library" vibe coming from?

For starters, that'll be entirely stupid. I mean, no network could just run a network solely on their own library of programming. Fortunately, the reason why Cartoon Network is still on the air is because of Turner's merger with Time-Warner, which not only increased their own library, but also allowed the network to expand its programming beyond their own library by acquiring rights to outside shows like James Bond, Jr., Speed Racer, Voltron, Robotech, and many of the shows you see today and will see pretty soon. Heck, even Toon Disney has shows from outside their library like the various DiC shows that air there, Hello Kitty, Care Bears, and Enchanted Book of Spells from BKN. Yeah, it'll probably take a while for ADV to get outside shows, but I can guarantee they're working on deals with competitors.

Geez, and people thought Newtype USA (also an ADV Films production) would just be filled cover to cover with ADV properties.

- Where is all this negativity forcasting the network's failure?

So it won't come anywhere near Cartoon Network nor Nick-sized viewership. Neither does niche-based networks like TechTV, BBC America, Game Show Network, MuchUSA, GAS, The Science Channel, MBC-TV, DiY, Noggin, The Food Network, MTV 2, Animal Planet, Boomerang, G4, and others. Funny thing is, they don't complain about their nicheness, and I'm sure ADV won't complain about its nicheness.

TechTV is probably the template of what a niche network is. Originally ZDTV, the network isn't exactly catered to a mass audience, just rabid computer and technology fans looking for the latest in tech-based news and information. It's been around for a little over five years now, and it'll be around in the future because more and more people are getting the network as well as good word of mouth about the network courtesy of the internet.

That's the thing about The Anime Network. It already has a built-in audience, but the thing is that it's going to be an upward climb to get the network into the nation's homes. A position on Dish Network and DirecTV would be one way of getting their foot in the door, and soon others will carry TAN. It'll take somewhere between three and four years for a large viewership to emerge. Same thing with BlackBelt TV, which is also looking for channel space when it launches next year. And with the new digital spectrum developing, space is coming sooner than you think.

I wish ADV all the luck in the world because they're really going to need it.

[Arkimond]

how are you supposed to get thsi channel?

[stanteau]

It'll die and it'll die fast.VERY few otakus are gonna suit and watch anime all damn day long.The hours of school will be pure dead weight for 'em,same goes for anything after 11 PM.The core audience for anime is between 8-21,most of those people have school and those out of school more than likely have lives to work on.Plus,most of the hardcore otaku who WOULD sit and watch it have seen most of the anime on it a billion times over.

And of course there's the issue of running through every series they have in uner a year.The only concievable thing I could think of is to have 3-4 shows a day and show 'em both dubbed and subbed,and repeat 'em all day like Tech TV.

I'm not denying that it'll get an audience,but not a HUGE one,that's for sure.Like most have said,Tech TV size and nothing more.

[cronomorph]

Is this gonna be unedited anime? I know quite a few people who would LOVE an anime network. I know I would. there is so much I want to see, and seeing as how I have basically zero places to buy anime in my area, this would be great. Mayeb there just aren't a lot of anime fans because they haven't seen enough of different types.

most people har anime and think DBZ or hentai. and we all know there is more to it than that.

I wish we had Tech TV again. why did my parents downgrade their satellite package :( .

[VinceA]

I'm sensing a "my hobby is becoming mainstream and I hate that" vibe from some people. I hope TAN succeeds but if it doesn't I'm OK with that too.

[KingKoopa]

Originally posted by stanteau
It'll die and it'll die fast.VERY few otakus are gonna suit and watch anime all damn day long.The hours of school will be pure dead weight for 'em,same goes for anything after 11 PM.The core audience for anime is between 8-21,most of those people have school and those out of school more than likely have lives to work on.Plus,most of the hardcore otaku who WOULD sit and watch it have seen most of the anime on it a billion times over.

And of course there's the issue of running through every series they have in uner a year.The only concievable thing I could think of is to have 3-4 shows a day and show 'em both dubbed and subbed,and repeat 'em all day like Tech TV.

I'm not denying that it'll get an audience,but not a HUGE one,that's for sure.Like most have said,Tech TV size and nothing more. Do you think people watch Cartoon Network all day long? HELL NO. Is CN dying fast? No. Just because a channel isn't being watched by it's complete audience 24 hours a day doesn't mean it's gonna die quickly.

And about running through all the series they have, Toonami has that same problem. Most of what Cartoon Network airs is reruns. Adult Swim is 5/6 reruns, yet people still watch it. Toonami is 3/4 reruns, yet people still watch it. This Anime Network will have no trouble keeping SOME of it new, which is what these companies do.

ADV themsleves have a big library, and then they buy series off Bandai, Pioneer, Viz, FUNi, and CPM and they're unstoppable. You're definately underestimating this.

[deathscythe51]

To be honest I think an all anime channel would be great. However it could end up just like adult swim. If this channel will be on cable TV then they can not have the good stuff on during the day for obvious reasons. That would leave us with a late night marathon of shows that we have to tape, which isn't any different from the current situatiuon on Cartoon Network. sigh....... I hope I'm wrong.

[KingKoopa]

Originally posted by deathscythe51
To be honest I think an all anime channel would be great. However it could end up just like adult swim. If this channel will be on cable TV then they can not have the good stuff on during the day for obvious reasons. That would leave us with a late night marathon of shows that we have to tape, which isn't any different from the current situatiuon on Cartoon Network. sigh....... I hope I'm wrong. Of course you're wrong! You couldn't be more wrong!

See, the reason CN doesn't air anime like AS during the day is because KIDS WATCH CARTOON NETWORK. This anime channel isn't for the kiddies, it's for the teens/young adults. It doesn't matter to ADV because of this.

[stanteau]

I am NOT one of those elitists,I'd kill to see Kare Kano on NBC during prime time,but there's not enough of an audience for a full channel.It woulda been smarter on ADV's part to search for a TV deal to air say 4 shows a week.

It's just there is such a thing as anime overkill.Every otaku goes through a period where he takes a week to a month off because he's on complete overload.This channel would suffer from that constantly.And plus,the main audience for it,diehard otakus,have seen most of the **** they plan on playing.I just don't see it surviving more than 3 years,if not shorter.

[Venom234]

This channel will be on hardly anywhere and only on expensive digital and satellite packages, CN has nothing to worry about. I give it six months if that before it flops. Even though I want it to succeed I just believe it won't. I'm also mad because I won't be able to see it for the six months it is around seeing as I can't afford to expand my cable package. So the question of how they will handle it is quite laughable, I for one know I won't buy an expensive digital or satellite package just for one channel.

[Killtacular]

Adult Swim and The Anime Channel are two completely different beasts.

The reason people were wrong about Adult Swim's lifetime is that the audience Adult Swim aims itself at is far greater than an anime network. They won people over with both the calmer, more traditional cartoons, and the bloody actionfest that is Cowboy Bebop. And it also happens to be on a very popular TV station, which increased its chance of getting noticed. It didn't start small, it started big and it's gotten bigger. PLUS, Cartoon Network would have kept Adult Swim running even if it was a failure, because that's been their attitude about everything. CN kept giving Ed Edd n Eddy a chance even though it wasn't doing very well in the ratings, and eventually it proved to become quite popular.

People here on the message boards seem to have a pretty big misconception about what the general public enjoys on television. You know the people here on this board? The internet? The fansites? Yeah. They're the minority. They represent a small percentage of Adult Swim's viewers. You want to know what the most popular Adult Swim show is? It's not Inuyasha. It's not Bebop. It's not Home Movies. It's The Brak Show. I would not lie about this. I polled many people about this. The Brak Show. A show that is almost unanimously hated here happens to be the show mainstream viewers recognize when they think of Adult Swim.

Looking at it from that perspective, if Adult Swim had launched with Adult Swim Action instead of Adult Swim Comedy, would it have survived (if we ignore the "giving it a chance" argument for a second)? No, it wouldn't. Mainstream viewers would not have watched Adult Swim Action unless they had heard of Adult Swim Comedy. It's all about name recognition. You could have "Greatest Show Ever In The World's Entire History" on Adult Swim Action and people wouldn't watch it, because most people do not care for Japanese animation. No, they don't all think it's Pokemon and DBZ. But they have a very strong reluctance to look at anything Japanese because they would feel ashamed if they did. Again, this comes from polling.

It also helps that Adult Swim only airs anime that appeals to mainstream taste. If you disregard story or themes for a moment, I'm sure you'd agree that Cowboy Bebop would appeal to people just for the gunplay, modern day science-fiction, and realistic street fighting. Yu Yu Hakusho and Inuyasha haven't proven to appeal to adults as much as Bebop has, but definitely kids. Yes, they have greater ratings, but that's only because the themes and characters appeal to younger viewers (12-24, aka High School majority). As much as I'm sure some people hate comparing YYH to DBZ, I'll bet that most kids started watching YYH -because- it was like DBZ.

Of course, Adult Swim won't ever drop the mainstream targetting. That's why we're getting GITS and Big O. Because they're heavy on action, have plenty of violence, and have a bit of reality to them, much like Bebop. I would like to see Lupin drop in as well because, despite its age, it still has much of the themes and content that inspired Cowboy Bebop.

And putting "Adult Swim" on a block encouraged them to check it out because they knew that Adult Swim was for adults and that it was known for quality programming. That's all there is to it. And of course Adult Swim Action is starting to take off, but Adult Swim Comedy still has the larger adult audience. November 3rd was Adult Swim's highest 18-34 rating ever (0.9).

I do not think very optomistically about the Anime Channel's lifetime because it's aiming at a much more specific group of people than Adult Swim. It isn't starting out on a network people universally know; especially the kind of network that offers other material if they aren't fully interested in anime. Animes like Getter Robo and RahXephon don't have the kind of mainstream appeal that will attract new audiences. They're going to start small and stay small, and who knows if it will be profitable to stay that way. Unless they're going to surprise me by grabbing something very big-name from another company, I don't like where the station is headed. I'm surprised they didn't want to put Noir on it!

Neither does niche-based networks like TechTV, BBC America, Game Show Network, MuchUSA, GAS, The Science Channel, MBC-TV, DiY, Noggin, The Food Network, MTV 2, Animal Planet, Boomerang, G4, and others.

Couple of things. Boomerang gets about 20 million viewers. That's a bit more than niche. Same with Game Show Network, which is in a lot more homes than you think, as well as the Food Network and Noggin. The niche networks in the stations you listed would be GAS, TechTV, BBC America, MBC-TV, DiY, MTV2, and G4(which only has 8 million viewers). And as for MTV2 and GAS, the only reason they're still on is because Viacom doesn't care about wasting their limitless money. MTV is not the ratings juggernaut people think it is. Most shows barely ever peak above a 2.0 rating on the station. Even for a basic cable network, that's bad. But Viacom makes enough money off of Nickelodeon and CBS to keep the side networks running. We'll have to see if ADV has the money to keep their operation going.

[Jeff Harris]

Originally posted by deathscythe51
To be honest I think an all anime channel would be great. However it could end up just like adult swim. If this channel will be on cable TV then they can not have the good stuff on during the day for obvious reasons. . . .

Here's the thing. ADV Films is not considering The Anime Network as a "kids network." They're more or less a network in the tradition of something like, say, a USA or TNT than a Cartoon Network or Toon Disney. Yes, the network will be comprised of animated programming, but it has to be understood that it's not all going to be aimed towards younger demos. Sure, there will be stuff for kids and all, but that's not to say they'll just leave "the good stuff" to just prime-time and late-night slots.

Look at Locomotion (http://www.locomotion.com), which was, until yesterday's announcement, the closest thing this country had to an anime network (ADV was a major supplier for that network as well). If anything, Locomotion (an American-owned animation network programming in Miami, Latin America, and Spain) will probably be the template which The Anime Network will work from, only with a lot more anime on it.

I still think that there should have been a network with both domestic and anime action programming on it, kind of like that CNX channel in the UK without the live-action junk on it. Now, if somebody actually made that channel, I would be a happy camper. Guess some niche groups have all the luck :rolleyes:

[Venom234]

You can always count on Matt to bring sanity to the joy filled fanboys.(no offense I am one)

[Arkimond]

Originally posted by Venom234
This channel will be on hardly anywhere and only on expensive digital and satellite packages, CN has nothing to worry about. I give it six months if that before it flops. Even though I want it to succeed I just believe it won't. I'm also mad because I won't be able to see it for the six months it is around seeing as I can't afford to expand my cable package. So the question of how they will handle it is quite laughable, I for one know I won't buy an expensive digital or satellite package just for one channel.

for people that do have it though, it will be watched a ton.
I have digital cable and plan on getting it! DEFINEITELY

[deathscythe51]

Originally posted by KingKoopa
Of course you're wrong! You couldn't be more wrong!

See, the reason CN doesn't air anime like AS during the day is because KIDS WATCH CARTOON NETWORK. This anime channel isn't for the kiddies, it's for the teens/young adults. It doesn't matter to ADV because of this.


Well regardless of who the channel is for there still have to be restrictions on what they air during the day and early evening times. If it is going to be on cable tv with channels such as CN, ESPN, etc. it must be edited for obvious reasons. The SPICE channel isn't for "kiddies", but they still don't put it on tv. I know that is a drastic example, but each channel has material that may be offensive. Your logic is flawed. Kids will watch whether they're supposed to or not. If it is on Digital or satelite, then it is different.

[KingKoopa]

Originally posted by deathscythe51
Well regardless of who the channel is for there still have to be restrictions on what they air during the day and early evening times. If it is going to be on cable tv with channels such as CN, ESPN, etc. it must be edited for obvious reasons. The SPICE channel isn't for "kiddies", but they still don't put it on tv. I know that is a drastic example, but each channel has material that may be offensive. Your logic is flawed. Kids will watch whether they're supposed to or not. If it is on Digital or satelite, then it is different. You don't understand. Kids watch Comedy Central. You don't see them toning down their programming. Kids could watch Scifi. They're not toning down. You don't seem to understand; ADV isn't bound by ANY REGULATIONS. On cable, they can do WHATEVER THEY WANT. Cartoon Network could air hardcore porn at 4:00 PM if they wanted to, but they don't because it would lure advertisers away. They'd go flat broke. It really doesn't matter, because the FCC has NO CONTROL over cable.

[deathscythe51]

Originally posted by KingKoopa
You don't understand. Kids watch Comedy Central. You don't see them toning down their programming. Kids could watch Scifi. They're not toning down. You don't seem to understand; ADV isn't bound by ANY REGULATIONS. On cable, they can do WHATEVER THEY WANT. Cartoon Network could air hardcore porn at 4:00 PM if they wanted to, but they don't because it would lure advertisers away. They'd go flat broke. It really doesn't matter, because the FCC has NO CONTROL over cable.

Actually, I do understand. If they aired shows that are offensive to kids during the day they could face law suits from many parents. Then the station would meet its end rather quickly. So why would they put themselves into jepeordy like that? They wouldn't because you invest in a station to earn a profit, and not to get sued!!! Anyways, about your references to Scifi and Comedy Central. When do they air the Man Show, South Park, Horror flicks? Mostly late at night around 10-12.

[Killtacular]

Don't forget that all Comedy Central movies are editted down to a level that even families could watch together (save for Man on the Moon).

Comedy Central was a poor example to use, really, because they DO tone down their programming in the daytime. They also edit their commercials (Cartman only says "jack off" and "****" in the ads that play after 11 PM at night).

[KingKoopa]

Originally posted by deathscythe51
Actually, I do understand. If they aired shows that are offensive to kids during the day they could face law suits from many parents. Then the station would meet its end rather quickly. So why would they put themselves into jepeordy like that? They wouldn't because you invest in a station to earn a profit, and not to get sued!!! Anyways, about your references to Scifi and Comedy Central. When do they air the Man Show, South Park, Horror flicks? Mostly late at night around 10-12. Fair enough, but they can't be sued for it. If they were, they'd win the case easily. They can go by the "then turn it off" rule. The reason CN has to avoid all that is because of the standards & practices they set up. They can't go against these or else they could be sued. The Anime Network can't be sued, because the parents wouldn't have a case.

You make a valid point, the references to CC and maybe (but not as much) Scifi weren't too accurate, but I'm just saying that if they can find advertisers to support it, ADV's channel can air WHATEVER THEY WANT IT TO. It's just the advertisers that are the problem, and it'll take some time to build that base.

[deathscythe51]

I can certainly see where you are coming from, and I concede partially about the suing stuff. If the channel does become a reality on cable tv, then they will partially structure around children in the "after school" hours. Not totally destroy the programing, but slightly adjust.

[KingKoopa]

Originally posted by deathscythe51
I can certainly see where you are coming from, and I concede partially about the suing stuff. If the channel does become a reality on cable tv, then they will partially structure around children in the "after school" hours. Not totally destroy the programing, but slightly adjust. Children, definately not. The channel is NOT for kids. While I agree that Comedy Central doesn't air its most racy stuff at 5:00 PM, it's still not kid-oriented. I'm pretty sure Win Ben Stein's Money is in that slot now. That's definately not kid-oriented, and it's probably something parents wouldn't show their kids.

I really doubt they'll air things for kids just because kids are coming home from school. It's still made as an anime channel, not a kids network. IT'S NOT FOR KIDS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. Therefore, why would they cater to kids in the after-school hours? I don't get what you're saying.

[Mugen]

I wonder if the TNN channel will show anime. If they do, it would be a three way battle(Adult Swim vs. TNN vs. anime network) like the video game consoles. :p

[Jeff Harris]

Originally posted by KingKoopa
I really doubt they'll air things for kids just because kids are coming home from school. It's still made as an anime channel, not a kids network. IT'S NOT FOR KIDS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. Therefore, why would they cater to kids in the after-school hours? I don't get what you're saying. Why? Hmm . . . let's see.

- One of the highest demographics for television viewing between 3 and 6 PM (i.e. the afterschool timeslot) are between the ages of 6 and 14.

- The major entertainment networks in North America tend to air youth-oriented programs or general all-ages entertainment in this timeslot, often seen as a "kids' primetime period."

- The top non-sports oriented, non-Saturday morning cable programs air in these timeslots. Nickelodeon, Toon Disney, and Cartoon Network have viewer increases year after year, especially since there's not a lot of programming aimed towards the after-school crowd on broadcast television.

- Advertisers tend to do a lot of their shilling to kids around that time period.

- Advertisers pay big bucks to cable networks to show their ads in programming. And ads help keep shows and networks on the air.

Now, tell me, why WOULDN'T The Anime Network not air youth-oriented programming during the pivotal afterschool time period?

[deathscythe51]

Originally posted by KingKoopa
Children, definately not. The channel is NOT for kids. While I agree that Comedy Central doesn't air its most racy stuff at 5:00 PM, it's still not kid-oriented. I'm pretty sure Win Ben Stein's Money is in that slot now. That's definately not kid-oriented, and it's probably something parents wouldn't show their kids.

I really doubt they'll air things for kids just because kids are coming home from school. It's still made as an anime channel, not a kids network. IT'S NOT FOR KIDS IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. Therefore, why would they cater to kids in the after-school hours? I don't get what you're saying.

Who said anime isn't for kids? What do you think kids in Japan watch? They watch what we considered to be "suitable" only for adults. What I'm trying to say is that they are not going to "cater" to kids, but rather they will "be careful" of what they air at that time slot. I'm not saying that they will put on pokemon or something, but they will make an effort not to have a samuri making lunch meat out of a guy. Maybe they'll put a mild action shows on. Who knows? It's all speculation.

[deathscythe51]

Originally posted by Jeff Harris
Why? Hmm . . . let's see.

- One of the highest demographics for television viewing between 3 and 6 PM (i.e. the afterschool timeslot) are between the ages of 6 and 14.

- The major entertainment networks in North America tend to air youth-oriented programs or general all-ages entertainment in this timeslot, often seen as a "kids' primetime period."

- The top non-sports oriented, non-Saturday morning cable programs air in these timeslots. Nickelodeon, Toon Disney, and Cartoon Network have viewer increases year after year, especially since there's not a lot of programming aimed towards the after-school crowd on broadcast television.

- Advertisers tend to do a lot of their shilling to kids around that time period.

- Advertisers pay big bucks to cable networks to show their ads in programming. And ads help keep shows and networks on the air.

Now, tell me, why WOULDN'T The Anime Network not air youth-oriented programming during the pivotal afterschool time period?





Thank-You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Finally another voice of reason.

[Karl Olson]

Besides, ADV could probably fill that time with stuff that is more oriented towards that audience, but runnable uncut. Angelic Layer is the first example that comes to mind, but if they have broadcast rights to some of what they are releasing on DVD (Sailor Moon and Robotech are a couple examples of this), that gives them even more material to play with for that time slot. Now, how they actually program is another issue. They may want to shoot for the niche rather try and fight Viacom and AOL/TW, but they may not. We won't know until they start getting some sort of schedule out.

[Zero Angel]

the anime station is going to air shows that are anime or anime influenced or that has a common theme to the anime that is shown.

what show does ADV have rights to distribution that just got cancelled?? hmmm...let me think. oh yeah...Farscape.

this is what they call a cornerstone television program. up until Sci Fi channel decided to cancel it that show was the highest rated program on tv.

when Fox premiered...what was their cornerstone program? Next Generation. what was UPN's cornerstone program? Voyager.

if ADV can cough up the dough to produce Farscape then they have a show that will finance quite a bit of what they would want to do.

and while yes it is hard to contemplate a network of just "niche" material it is incredibly popular. does ADV have enough to fill a station for 24 hours worth of material for excess amounts of time...perhaps.

the people at ADV arent idiots. they havent been around for 10 years doing nothing but anime (a niche form of entertainment) for 10 years and gained nothing from it in a manner of knowing what will sell and what wont and what would be a good idea and what wont. the only problem ADV would have is if they overextended themselves.

frankly...im seeing a lot of pesimistic view points on this issue. do you know what the anime station is folks? this is the place where all those shows that never had a place to be put can finally be aired and aired properly. mid-day isnt going to be a dead zone of time for them either. there are tons of people who would set their tape recorders to record shows. this is how soap operas have survived.

now...i would like to think that some of the people here that made commentaries arent just being, how should i put this...burnt on the idea. it is happening. weither or not it succeds is not in our power. the only thing we know is that it is happening.

WS has to deal with this in one of two ways.

A ) Dont care. it will be doomed to failure and they will do nothing to try and make better what they have tried to start into doing.

B ) Show initiative. they will try to get new material instead of letting stagnant cash cows fill the airwaves (how many runs of Cowboy Bebop have we had?).

C ) Try to get a foot in the door with the station. while this one is sort of like going to the enemy with the gun that they will kill you with it is also smart marketing. if ADV were to start showing Farscape what would be a good time to show it? who knows...perhaps WS would persuade them to show is at a time that AS would be starting this way the audience wouldnt be split on what animation they should be watching.

continueing on the anime station and why it probably wont fail. true Aol/Time Warner controls CN. what about Viacom? they are probably the second biggest companies in tv. what do they have under their belt? hmmm...CPM? wow...we have another company that owns...geez, a huge selection of anime that has yet to see the light of day...

then of coarse the partnership between Bandai and Pioneer and Funimation arent as deep as people might think them to be with WS. Pioneer has had what? one show on CN. Bandai is a little deeper but with no one looking into putting on the air things like SMJ, Love Hina, or Betterman i think that these shows would be heading to the anime network before seeing WS soil. the same thing goes for Pioneer with shows like Trigun, Lain, El Hazard/the Wanderers, and Battle Athletes Victory. then of coarse you have Media Blasters (Kenshin) who has had none of their shows on tv before or Right Stuf (Irresponsible Captain Tylor, Kare Kano) or Tokyo-pop (GTO) and then look at what would happen. you would get all the programming you would ever want for an anime station. niche or no niche. and you want to know something...we call it niche because it hasnt had the type of exposure it should have probably had by now. you may get someone watching Farscape that has never considered watching anime before, well a show catches their eye that they maybe want to watch or record later and hell...there are five other shows that are advertised they may want to see.

then again i could be wrong on this one...hell...what do i know...people wont buy a station to have Farscape will they?

and this is my last peice before i call it a night...Ping Pong Club is done over here by Software Sculptures.

thank you for this space.

ps : fail or not fail...the next year is going to be a good one for anime fans.

[Cyporiean]

Originally posted by Zero Angel

hmmm...CPM? wow...we have another company that owns...geez, a huge selection of anime that has yet to see the light of day...
will they?

*SNIP*

and this is my last peice before i call it a night...Ping Pong Club is done over here by Software Sculptures.



What did Viacom and CPM ever do?


And Software Sculptures is CPM... (As is US Manga Corps)

[Zero Angel]

Central Park Media is owned by Viacom.

[Ran-san]

If ADV has a partner in this venture as far as programming, I'd be really curious to see who. If this was Pioneer starting this, I could see partnerships with Viz and CPM (they teamed up before for Sci-Fi's Anime Festival). However, this won't happen, as Viz/Pioneer seems to lean towards CN now, with Inu-Yasha and Tenchi appearing on Adult Swim.

Manga Video is possible. ADV and Manga made deals on the Eva Movies, but I don't know if that's a strong enough bond. ADV has always been a bit standoffish in their dealings with other companies, and many companies aren't that fond of them.

However, knowning ADV, In wonder what their LATE NIGHT lineup would be on anime channel.....

[KingKoopa]

Originally posted by deathscythe51
Who said anime isn't for kids? What do you think kids in Japan watch? They watch what we considered to be "suitable" only for adults. What I'm trying to say is that they are not going to "cater" to kids, but rather they will "be careful" of what they air at that time slot. I'm not saying that they will put on pokemon or something, but they will make an effort not to have a samuri making lunch meat out of a guy. Maybe they'll put a mild action shows on. Who knows? It's all speculation. I NEVER said anime isn't for kids. Some of it is, definately. I said that this CHANNEL isn't for kids. But, the kiddie anime goes to Toonami, not this Anime Network.

And Jeff, you've got a good point. Kids are where the money is then, so maybe they'll do it, but I have to doubt they'll do it. We'll see.

[VinceA]

ADV and Manga made deals on the Eva Movies

They did? As far as I know Manga dealt with Gainax (sp?) to get the rights to the movie. Which cost them a large amount of cash (enough for the licenses to 10 series - a number that DLW from ADV likes to mention, with glee, at anime cons).

[stanteau]

Back to the whole thing about kids programming being the highest rated

What makes you think 11 year old Joe Schmoe will turn off Sponge Bob?Anime is a cult following and nothing more.If they actually compete with Nick or CN for the children demographic they will come up with the short end of the stick.

However I did think of something tfor programming.Anyone who's into wrestling and has been to Japan knows of a station called "Samurai TV".It airs only wrestling and shoot fighting.To fill timeslot gaps they have numerous featurettes such a cooking with Mitsuhiro Matsunaga or talk shows with Shinjiro Ohtani and Yuji Nagata.ADV could easily copy these types of segments with names in the anime/manga community.The segments can't possibly be expensive to make and would keep me interested.

[Zero Angel]

Originally posted by Ran-san
If ADV has a partner in this venture as far as programming, I'd be really curious to see who. If this was Pioneer starting this, I could see partnerships with Viz and CPM (they teamed up before for Sci-Fi's Anime Festival). However, this won't happen, as Viz/Pioneer seems to lean towards CN now, with Inu-Yasha and Tenchi appearing on Adult Swim.

Manga Video is possible. ADV and Manga made deals on the Eva Movies, but I don't know if that's a strong enough bond. ADV has always been a bit standoffish in their dealings with other companies, and many companies aren't that fond of them.

However, knowning ADV, In wonder what their LATE NIGHT lineup would be on anime channel.....

well then the connections between Pioneer and Viz arent as strong either when you consider that those are just a show each that these companies have given to be shown on the stations. think about all the other properties that will never be shown on CN, things like Ranma, things like Trigun, things like Lain, these shows wont make it to CN. they would however make it on the anime station. so this goes right back to where it would be smart to put these shows.

and Stan...ADV has rights to those kinds of shows...Andromeda, Farscape, Shadow Raiders, Reboot, and very soon (rumor mill) Hercules and Xena. when you consider that they have some strong shows that arent anime under their belts i think that they can try to format their programming to meet whatever expectations they are going to be seeing from the audience. like i said...the people at ADV arent dumb.

[stanteau]

Eh,FX is living off reruns

[stanteau]

Whoop,**** send too quick.

FX is living off reruns,it can work,but the problem is to make the initial lineup it'll take at least 1/3 of ADV's library to fill the first year,if not more.

And if it's the anime network,I doubt stuff like Xena and Hercules will make it on air.

[Artemis]

Originally posted by Beatdigga
You are so damn pessimistic, y-know that?

This is where our grandparents would bring up that old proverb: "Pot calling the kettle black." ;)

[Mynd Hed]

It bears keeping in mind that the new network will air not only anime but also "anime-related programming." I could see some really good "making-of" specials, commentary shows where people from the animation community analyze particular anime and the impact its had on the industry, a Siskel and Ebert-style movie- or series-review show, etc. Similar to the way MTV and VH1 are "music" channels, but don't show all music all the time.

Although let's seriously hope this network doesn't go QUITE to the same extreme as MTV and VH1 have, and still shows at least a good MAJORITY of anime.

VH1: Behind the Music First, Music Second
MTV: Hey, at least music's still on the list!

(-:

[Skynet2029]

well eventually i see them making a CNX USA but in the distant future in the meantime at least we get some new shows on Adult Swim :D

[Kaiser0120]

... I didn't want to say anything... But...

People. STOP BRINGING UP OLD, DEAD TOPICS. >.< It's frustrating...

[Mynd Hed]

It's not THAT old a topic, jeez.

[The Landstander]

this is like the sixth old topic to be replied to in the past few days.

[Zero Angel]

Well, before this gets off topic, how would you like people to approach something like this? would it be better if they started a new thread about something that has already been discussed or bring up an old topic that would allow people to respond back and forth?

just curiousities...and BTW, i am buying into the Anime Network 100%

[Dalamar13]

Originally posted by Zero Angel
Well, before this gets off topic, how would you like people to approach something like this? would it be better if they started a new thread about something that has already been discussed or bring up an old topic that would allow people to respond back and forth?

Exactly. Most people would rather see a old topic brought back than smeone start a new one. Besides this topic isn't that old.

[Joe Tully]

I think I'll just close this.

I don't really mind seeing a thread brought back if it's done well, but usually it seems like the person isn't adding much to the conversation.