CCF Big Pick Weekend - Who are you voting for? [Archive]

Nftnat

08-24-2001, 05:37 PM

A lot of stuff here, & some of it isn't even on topic.
I really haven't seen any of the new CToons except Ferret & Parrot & My Crazy Family ( I think; is that the one with the East Indian family?). I'll try to see them this weekend, tho not tonight @ 7 as that's when that thing comes on TVLand; I'm curious to see what it's about. It's kind of prime-time Sesame Street without the academic stuff, & when it last aired I was one. Anyway, right now I'm thinking Swaroop 'cause of that WBA thing. Oh, this Big Pick thing got notice in yesterday's DemoZette TV column (Hatter can confirm this). I quote: "Yee Hah & Doo Dah? Somewhere out there, Mel Blanc is turning over in his grave." But did anyone else notice this? Last year's Big Pick contest was won by Billy & Mandy, which will debut tonight as the Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, but did you notice one of the other candidates got its own series first? Sheep In the Big City. My take: the powers that be had already decided that Sheep was gonna get its own series & winning the Big Pick was just a formality / coronation; when Billy & Mandy won, they had to scramble. Anyone have any idea what this year's anointed one is? I'll be interested to see Captain Sturdy & Major Flake as well as Swaroop; for that matter, I'll be interested to see all of them.

Oh, & G.I. D'oh!? e-mail Varakorn Ungvichian ungvichian@thaimail.com to find out where his Detention page is. I'd tell you myself, but I hadn't added it to the favorites list on this computer when the one @ home conked out. Sorry.

Dante Bunny

08-24-2001, 08:00 PM

Yes, it will be a long weekend. I hope you got your votes ready, and your TV's on all weekend long, IT'S ON NOW AND I'M VOTING FOR SWAROOP SO I COULD SAVE WB ANIMATION!!!

I.R Joey

08-25-2001, 02:09 AM

So what shows are you guys going for.

I'm all for Kitty Ba Ba, and Imps Inc.

However captian Sturdy is the one that truely made me LOL. It was great with all the little refrences to our PC society, and even the CN sattelite being blown away.

The others where not as good IMO.

K so where do you guys stand.

Split56

08-25-2001, 02:17 AM

The Big Pic? Never heard of it.

I.R Joey

08-25-2001, 02:33 AM

Sorry THB BIG PICK.

Split56

08-25-2001, 02:42 AM

Never heard of it.

Joe Tully

08-25-2001, 10:41 AM

Utica Cartoon. It was pretty funny, and really had a different sense of humor than the others. IMO, it was something that really isn't matched by anything from any other cartoons, in terms of both style and humor. It's very different from anything else on any of the Premieres or regular Cartoon Cartoons, and in a good way.

For those who are kind of thrown by the title...This was the one in which the bear was trying to be perpetual Hot Dog Eating Champion.

Calhoun07

08-25-2001, 02:10 PM

I never heard of this either. Is this something on Cartoon Network? And I take it you can pick the shows that get aired, like Control Freak on MTV2? Please fill those of us without a clue in!

I.R Joey

08-25-2001, 02:14 PM

Yeah they air a bunch of shorts, and then we decide which one becomes the next cartoon cartoon.

Calhoun07

08-25-2001, 02:16 PM

Sounds pretty cool. When is it on?

Bud 'n Lou

08-25-2001, 02:20 PM

They'll be airing them all weekend, Cal.
So far, I've only seen Kitty BoBo, which I really didn't like.

Calhoun07

08-25-2001, 02:46 PM

Oh, well, my weekends are too busy to keep up with what is on TV. Bummer.

DR. BELCH

08-25-2001, 02:54 PM

"Kitty Bobo" (with all this talk recently about banning cell phones in cars, this one was socially relevant), "Captain Sturdy", and "Utica Cartoon" (isn't that a town in New York?) "Swaroop" seemd to be a pretty one-note joke--Indian family having trouble adapting to American culture, and every one of them sounds like Apu from The Simpsons--all we need is a corner convenience store, folks. If that's WBA's salvation, I'm sorry to say, maybe it's better off d***ed.
Though I'll admit that hearing Maurice LaMarche voice God was amusing...nice to see one of his characters has achieved a position of power, even if...well...a certain someone else has yet to...ahem.
BRAIN: My ears are burning.
That'll teach you to use sunblock everywhere, then, won't it?
[BRAIN scowls nastily.]

I.R Joey

08-25-2001, 04:02 PM

You have 3 more chances.

9 am and pm on Sunday.

and

9 on Saturday.

Vin

08-25-2001, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by DR. BELCH
"Kitty Bobo" (with all this talk recently about banning cell phones in cars, this one was socially relevant), "Captain Sturdy", and "Utica Cartoon" (isn't that a town in New York?) "Swaroop" seemd to be a pretty one-note joke--Indian family having trouble adapting to American culture, and every one of them sounds like Apu from The Simpsons--all we need is a corner convenience store, folks. If that's WBA's salvation, I'm sorry to say, maybe it's better off d***ed.
Though I'll admit that hearing Maurice LaMarche voice God was amusing...nice to see one of his characters has achieved a position of power, even if...well...a certain someone else has yet to...ahem.
[b]BRAIN: My ears are burning.
That'll teach you to use sunblock everywhere, then, won't it?

I agree with you Dr. B (ooo, a rhyme) about "Swaroop." I didn't find it very much amusing and I can't see that as a regular series. My vote goes to "Captain Sturdy."

The Mad Hatter

08-25-2001, 10:40 PM

My favorite would have to be Captain Sturdy... interesting animation style, great pacing, snappy dialogue.

Imp Inc. was pretty interesting, and I liked Kitty Bobo even though it'll probably be too droll and urbane for most viewers.

Swaroop was okay, but I can't see them doing a series out of it. Also, I've got a feeling Warner Brothers animation wouldn't be making it if it got picked up, since Cartoon Network produces every other Cartoon Cartoon. They probably just pitched in to get it made, as I've noticed every other pilot was seemingly made by a different company. Even if Swaroop does get the nod, I don't think it'll get WBA out of mothballs.

So what did everyone think of Grim and Evil? It's not nearly as annoying as "Sheep," but it was mildly irksome nonetheless.

Vin

08-25-2001, 10:55 PM

Originally posted by The Mad Hatter
My favorite would have to be Captain Sturdy... interesting animation style, great pacing, snappy dialogue.

Imp Inc. was pretty interesting, and I liked Kitty Bobo even though it'll probably be too droll and urbane for most viewers.

Swaroop was okay, but I can't see them doing a series out of it. Also, I've got a feeling Warner Brothers animation wouldn't be making it if it got picked up, since Cartoon Network produces every other Cartoon Cartoon. They probably just pitched in to get it made, as I've noticed every other pilot was seemingly made by a different company. Even if Swaroop does get the nod, I don't think it'll get WBA out of mothballs.

So what did everyone think of Grim and Evil? It's not nearly as annoying as "Sheep," but it was mildly irksome nonetheless.

Captain Sturdy was great. I really hope it does become a Cartoon Cartoon. I thought Grim & Evil was ok. They reaired the pilot that won last year in the show itself.

Sorry Mike Milo is you're reading this, but I just couldn't see Swaroop as a show. Hatter, you may be right about CN Studios doing new episodes of Swaroop if it were picked up, but I doubt it because, I doubt Milo would email Archie and say to vote on it to help it. Milo works for WBA, so if it won, I would think WBA would continue doing it.

One more thing, WBA isn't dead. We have Justice League coming up, as well as, the new Batman direct to videos, Scooby videos and Tom & Jerry videos. From my understanding, the new president of WBA (appointed a few months back) wants to revive franchise characters and will continue to use them. I could see Cartoon Network Studios becoming AOLTW's only animation company, but I think that is unlikely to happen.

I.R Joey

08-25-2001, 11:17 PM

Hatter do not mock the Sheep, or you'll have a very unhappy unbirthday :p

Anyway, I just voted for Sturdy it was funny. But I notied that this year they don't have the poll results.

Vigo Sprax

08-26-2001, 01:51 AM

I liked Utica Cartoon and Ferret & Parrot, I probably liked Utica more but the Feret was voiced by Mark Hamill...who'm I'm a huge fan of. Oh the choices!

LD1984

08-26-2001, 04:18 AM

Captain Sturdy won my vote. That cartoon was hillarious and had a strange effect on me.

Kitty Bobo was pretty stupid. It had it's moments.

Yee Hah and Doo Dah was unfunny and painful to watch.

My Freaky Family was pretty funny.

The Kids Next Door was completely lame! It was obviously made by the same people who made that one cartoon cartoon about the Chimpy and that other guy. That was hillarious. I was completely looking forward to the Kids Next Door. Unfortunately is was CRAP CRAP CRAP!!!

Ferret and Parrot was a shocker. I thought it was going to be completely stupid. It was hillarious. Not because of the ants or the guy or the ferret: That parrot! He was the funniest thing! He would just make noises and repeat things. Me and my sister enjoyed that one.

Imp INC. Had a unique story. It's just too bad only one of these will be a new cartoon. I would have loved to see the imps in a series.

Major Flake was just retarded.

Utica Cartoon was great. Again, It's just too bad only one of these will be a cartoon cartoon.

Swaroop seemed almost racist. It was kinda funny though. I liked when the cow was talking..

Well, those are my two cents. If you haven't voted yet, please vote for Captian Sturdy. There is just something about that cartoon that gives me goosebumps.

bushnader666

08-26-2001, 12:18 PM

I would vote for "Uncensored Cartoons," a hour-long block devoted to the completely unedited, uncompressesed showing of classic cartoons.

But, that's not an option. So, Capt. Sturdy gets the vote thanks in large part to its lampooning of CN's very own PC cops. Ha! HA! Capt. Sturdy is also good old clean satire.

Vin

08-26-2001, 06:25 PM

Originally posted by LD1984
Ferret and Parrot was a shocker. I thought it was going to be completely stupid. It was hillarious. Not because of the ants or the guy or the ferret: That parrot! He was the funniest thing! He would just make noises and repeat things. Me and my sister enjoyed that one.

Imp INC. Had a unique story. It's just too bad only one of these will be a new cartoon. I would have loved to see the imps in a series.

LD, I thought Ferret and Parrot was going to suck too. It was actually pretty good. It made me want to actually see more (which good pilots should do). Imp Inc. was ok and I liked it alot better than most of the other shows.

I really want Captain Sturdy to win, but if it doesn't, I would like to see Imp Inc. or Ferret and Parrot to become series then. I really, reeeeally hope that neither Kids Next Door or My Freaky Family win. They both were horrible. Swaroop wasn't much better either.

Joe Tully

08-26-2001, 06:52 PM

I hope they'll at least consider doing something with the good ones that don't win. I mean, during the last year, they've come out with Sheep and Time Squad, as well as the pick from last year, Grim and Evil. It's not like they really only have room for one more of these. And they are going to have to consider making more new ones, because some of the older CC's are getting repeated to death. Dexter is great, but it can't continue to be on as often as it is, it's just going through the same repeats too quickly.

Even if your fave doesn't win, remember that PPG was it circulation on What A Cartoon for a long time, and the positive reaction (letters, calls, etc) to that eventually led to a series. Hopefully, the better series will follow the same route, although a bit more quickly. I guess what I'm saying is, if your fave doesn't win, complain to them about it and maybe it'll work out.

Did any other series do something like this? I remember that there were Dexter and Johnny pilots during the World Premiere Toons thing years back, were both of those picked up at that time, or was it just one of them?

Vin

08-26-2001, 07:04 PM

Originally posted by Joe Tully
I hope they'll at least consider doing something with the good ones that don't win. I mean, during the last year, they've come out with Sheep and Time Squad, as well as the pick from last year, Grim and Evil. It's not like they really only have room for one more of these. And they are going to have to consider making more new ones, because some of the older CC's are getting repeated to death. Dexter is great, but it can't continue to be on as often as it is, it's just going through the same repeats too quickly.

Even if your fave doesn't win, remember that PPG was it circulation on What A Cartoon for a long time, and the positive reaction (letters, calls, etc) to that eventually led to a series. Hopefully, the better series will follow the same route, although a bit more quickly. I guess what I'm saying is, if your fave doesn't win, complain to them about it and maybe it'll work out.

Did any other series do something like this? I remember that there were Dexter and Johnny pilots during the World Premiere Toons thing years back, were both of those picked up at that time, or was it just one of them?

Dexter is coming back with new episodes this November. But I agree, it is being repeated to death. It's funny though how after it went out of production and started airing daily, it picked up alot of steam and the ratings were good enough to bring about new episodes, which happened to Rugrats (and look where it is now!). Dexter was picked up in 1996, whereas, Johnny Bravo was picked up a season later.

PPG are being repeated daily alot too. New episodes won't appear until most likely 2002 (although a Justice Friends episode of PPG may appear around the premiere of Justice League, but this has not yet been confirmed).

I also heard that Cow & Chicken may go back in production for new episodes, but I have yet to hear this confirmed.

I like the idea of some of losers becoming shows anyways, but that most likely will not happen.

I'm also hoping that the Cartoon Cartoons Show (formerly The What A Cartoon Show! and various pilots) goes into production again. I liked Nickelodeon's Oh Yeah! Cartoons, which was a spinoff of TWACS!, even though it aired on another network.

LD1984

08-26-2001, 08:28 PM

GO CAPTIAN STURDY!!

Dante Bunny

08-26-2001, 08:53 PM

SWAROOP! SWAROOP! SWAROOP!

Dante Bunny

08-26-2001, 09:06 PM

My Freaky Family. It made 3rd place, still a funniest short in the world.

Dante Bunny

08-26-2001, 09:12 PM

Ok, the second place winner goes to The Kitty Bobo Show, cool, fly, hip short, and it's funny too!

Dante Bunny

08-26-2001, 09:22 PM

Kids Next Door, congats to them.

WAAAAHHHHH! this is the end of WBA comedy!!!!!!!:(

Joe Tully

08-26-2001, 09:24 PM

NOOOOOO!

Kids Next Door won. I am not kidding. We really didn't need another "Kids" type cartoon. I can't believe that the ones we wanted (Capt. Sturdy, Swaroop, Utica Cartoon) didn't even come in the top 3. I was afraid of something like this, esp. since kids probably did the most voting.

I'm going to go cry now.

Vin

08-26-2001, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by G.I. D'oh!
Kids Next Door, congats to them.

WAAAAHHHHH! this is the end of WBA comedy!!!!!!!

NOOOOOOOOO! Captain Sturdy! Please, CN ae Captain Sturdy a show! Please!

Seriously though, KND and My Freaky Famiy were the two ones I did NOT want to win. Then KND wins. NO!

Joe Tully

08-26-2001, 09:31 PM

And the thing is, that cartoon did so much stuff that I've seen Dexter do better. I mean, the whole idea from that cartoon was pretty much something from Dexter (big robot and machinery, parody of Japanese superhero stuff, etc.). Grrrr. :mad:

I agree, this was one of the poorest ones, if not THE poorest one. I lost a lot of confidence in this thing when Freaky Family was third, it definitely didn't belong there. Though Kitty Bobo fit in well at second.

BourgeoisBuffoon

08-26-2001, 09:32 PM

Actually....would this be a bad time to ask what Kids Next Door will be about?
And I'm sorry on hearing none of the choices everyone apparently wanted won, guys....

Vin

08-26-2001, 09:36 PM

Originally posted by BourgeoisBuffoon
Actually....would this be a bad time to ask what Kids Next Door will be about?
And I'm sorry on hearing none of the choices everyone apparently wanted won, guys....

Let's just say it was crap with a capital C. My little brother (who is 4) started crying because he wanted Utica Cartoon to win. Kids Next Door didn't make sense to me and reminded me sort of Power Rangers. UGH. It was horrible!!!!

Dante Bunny

08-26-2001, 09:37 PM

And I saw My Freaky Family and Kitty Bobo are runners up I thought for a chance that Swaroop will be the next cartoon CARTOON. Back to the drawing board Mr. Milo.

WBA comedy cartoons will revive again.

Jack

08-26-2001, 09:37 PM

I didn't want Kids Next Door to win and I even missed every airing of these premiers (but not on purpose). I'm so sick of "kids" cartoons. Every new show stars kids doing stupid things. Whatever happened to funny adults or funny animals?

Jack:(

Dante Bunny

08-26-2001, 09:38 PM

Power Rangers? It worst than KND.

BourgeoisBuffoon

08-26-2001, 09:43 PM

reminded me sort of Power Rangers....

Uh oh....sounds bad indeed, especially if it makes kids cry! But guys...do you think CN planned to make KND all along? That thought just popped up into my mind....

....funny adults and animals, unfortuantly, are gone....but with Cow and Chicken, the animal part may not be missed after all....

....KND was chosen probably because it has kids, and business men think kids like to watch kids all the time....bah...

Vin

08-26-2001, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by G.I. D'oh!
Power Rangers? It worst than KND.

Not by much. LOL. The character designs reminded me of Pepper Ann (sp.?) and that's defintely not a good thing! Yeesh, that's what happens when you let kids vote. UGH.

Vin

08-26-2001, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by BourgeoisBuffoon

Uh oh....sounds bad indeed, especially if it makes kids cry! But guys...do you think CN planned to make KND all along? That thought just popped up into my mind....

....funny adults and animals, unfortuantly, are gone....but with Cow and Chicken, the animal part may not be missed after all....

....KND was chosen probably because it has kids, and business men think kids like to watch kids all the time....bah...

I don't know. I mean, one of my sisters voted for My Freaky Family and she also liked Kids Next Door. KND seemed like it wanted to be too much. A Disney One saturday Morning w/ action, cliches.. It's wasn't very good. Maybe I'm being too hard on it. It's just I at least thought that Captain Sturdy had a chance. If not that, then Ferret and Parrot or Imp Inc.

Dante Bunny

08-26-2001, 09:48 PM

The KWB is not on WGN way back in 1999, I was stuck watching Power Rangers. If they do another Power Ranger spoof, I will write a complaint!:mad:

Joe Tully

08-26-2001, 09:51 PM

Yeah, it was supposed to be a parody of Japanese shows like Power Rangers. The main problem was they forgot that a parody requires COMEDY!! COMEDY YOU FOOLS!!!

Vince, if it makes your brother feel better, tell him that I started to cry when I saw that Utica lost too.:)

KND is just another cartoon in the mold of kids cartoons, Doug, Pepper Ann, etc. I have no idea what they are going to do with the series, they can't possibly do what they did for the pilot each episode. At least, I hope not. Either way, I probably won't be watching, other than maybe a couple of episodes to confirm my suspicions that it will completely suck.

Dante Bunny

08-26-2001, 09:53 PM

Doug, another cartoon I don't like, not on Nick!

BourgeoisBuffoon

08-26-2001, 09:56 PM

Doug was good. Gave us some thought, and once Brand-S.N. Doug came, it gave a coupla messages to kids on what may happen on certain issues like anorexia. I respect it for that. Only when we finally saw the NemaToade did I start to lose faith in it...
...So KND is a BAD P. Ranger parody?! Oh crap! Maybe it IS a good thing I don't get CN!

Bud 'n Lou

08-26-2001, 10:04 PM

I didn't see very many of the choices, but I saw the commercial for Kids Next Door, and it didn't really interest me. The commercial for Captain Sturdy looked cool though. Wish I'd been able to see it.
I saw a cartoon called "Lucky Lydia" which I liked. Very good animation.
I also saw a pretty nifty cartoon which I didn't catch the name of, but was a spoof of Star Trek type shows. I'm dissappointed that it didn't win.

The Mad Hatter

08-26-2001, 10:06 PM

Ugh.

Ugh...............

Ugh.

I thought there were worse shows out there... like Captain Flake, or My Freaky Family, which was particularly annoying. (It came in third?) Now THOSE shows were annoying.

But still... KND didn't really seem that inspired, and Dexter did the kid genius angle much better. It was on the bottom tier for me.

Hmmm... hopefully CN can do what they did with Sheep and just decide to make one into a series anyway.

bushnader666

08-26-2001, 10:09 PM

This "Kids Next Door" Cartoon may set record for cornball schlock on Cartoon Cartoons. The "KND" is really a "spoof" of SPECTRE in the James Bond movies (and a CORNY spoof), with "kids" called "Number 1," "Number 2," etc.

Another cornball spoof are the lifeguard guys. They reek of "Diamonds Are Forever's" Wink and Kidd (SP?), the guys that were supposed to kill Bond. Except their dialog is even cornier than in the Movie.

EXTREME CORNBALL CARTOON ALERT!

The big, high tech look to this one pushes the border of schlock cornball Terry-toonery scooby doo daffy/speedy groovy ghouly EVIL. Avoid this turkey at all costs!

Vin

08-26-2001, 10:12 PM

Originally posted by The Mad Hatter
Ugh.

Ugh...............

Ugh.

I thought there were worse shows out there... like Captain Flake, or My Freaky Family, which was particularly annoying. (It came in third?) Now THOSE shows were annoying.

But still... KND didn't really seem that inspired, and Dexter did the kid genius angle much better. It was on the bottom tier for me.

Hmmm... hopefully CN can do what they did with Sheep and just decide to make one into a series anyway.

I'm hoping CN does the same thing too Hatter. But, Sheep in the Big City was already picked up to be a series way before it aired on The Big Pick last year. It premiered in November, which was only a few months after the Big Pick anyway. However, I don't know why CN put Sheep in the Big Pick last year. It just didn't make any sense whatsoever.

Dante Bunny

08-26-2001, 10:17 PM

Swaroop will become a series, without the help of the Big Pick, just like Sheep. I don't have the CN last year, but does Sheep won last year?

Vin

08-26-2001, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by G.I. D'oh!
Swaroop will become a series, without the help of the Big Pick, just like Sheep. I don't have the CN last year, but does Sheep won last year?

Sheep didn't win, The Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy did. Sheep in fact was in production as a series before it aired on the Big Pick.

Vin

08-26-2001, 10:38 PM

Guys, if you have suggestions for the creator of Kids Next Door, go to alt.tv.cartoon-network (Cartoon Network's newsgroups) and respond to the thread, Mr. Warburton. Hopefully, he's open to many suggestions.

Joe Tully

08-26-2001, 11:50 PM

For anyone interested, I found the Utica Cartoon website

www.uticacartoon.com

You can download the cartoon in segments, see stuff on how they developed it, they have some really odd games there, etc.

I really wish these guys luck, they did a great job. Unfortunately, I guess kids prefer seeing the same garbage repeated over and over, and like the other stuff we were rooting for, the material for Utica must've just been too intelligent for the kids, who were looking for something simpler.

I wonder if CN will release a vote tally. I'd like to see if any of the decent ones were at least close.

Jon Cooke

08-27-2001, 12:12 AM

Originally posted by Vince
However, I don't know why CN put Sheep in the Big Pick last year. It just didn't make any sense whatsoever.

Sheep wasn't a choice on The Big Pick last year. There were only three choices: Billy and Mandy, Robot Jones, and some obnoxious cartoon about cavemen.

-Jon

Jon Cooke

08-27-2001, 12:18 AM

Originally posted by Joe Tully
And the thing is, that cartoon did so much stuff that I've seen Dexter do better. I mean, the whole idea from that cartoon was pretty much something from Dexter (big robot and machinery, parody of Japanese superhero stuff, etc.). Grrrr. :mad:

That Kids Next Door cartoon reminded me a bit of Dexter, too. I voted for "Captain Sturdy"... definitely the funniest of the batch this year. I also enjoyed "Imp Inc.". I actually thought "Major Flake" had its moments... but I don't think it would have worked as a series.

-Jon

LD1984

08-27-2001, 12:21 AM

KND was so gay! WHY DID THEY DO THIS TO ME AND ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE IN THE WORLD!!!! I already miss Captian Sturdy already :(.

DR. BELCH

08-27-2001, 11:27 AM

LD1984:
["Kids Next Door"] was so gay!
I'm glad I'm not the only one who considered those two lifeguards' close friendship a bit...well...suspect. Was it my imagination or did one of them have flippers?
It was the treehouse angle that bothered me. As in my own stories the heroes use one as a base, I consider this a plagiarism lawsuit waiting to happen. I prayed this piece of manure would never become a series, but it seems that didn't work. This'll be one of those shows I actively fight not to watch, along with KWB's Nightmare Room. Even my great and mighty tolerance has a limit!

Vin

08-27-2001, 11:54 AM

Originally posted by DR. BELCH

I'm glad I'm not the only one who considered those two lifeguards' close friendship a bit...well...suspect. Was it my imagination or did one of them have flippers?
It was the treehouse angle that bothered me. As in my own stories the heroes use one as a base, I consider this a plagiarism lawsuit waiting to happen. I prayed this piece of manure would never become a series, but it seems that didn't work. This'll be one of those shows I actively fight not to watch, along with KWB's Nightmare Room. Even my great and mighty tolerance has a limit!

Well, hopefully the creator of the series throws the pilot out the window and starts from scratch, but I doubt that will happen. I already posted something to the creator of KND at alt.tv.cartoon-network and I'm hoping he'll reply. KND sucked, plain and simple.