A Question about Trigun... [Archive]

livingfruitvirus

10-06-2002, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by Sandro885
If the religious fundamentalist wackos hear of Trigun airing on CN, they'll probably try to get the priest with the guns edited out or, worst case scenario and possibly most likely, prevent Trigun from airing at all.

Here we go again.

Comon. The priest isn't that bad. Why would he be protested against?

KingKoopa

10-06-2002, 09:48 PM

Adult Swim doesn't edit for religious content. Wolfwood would be NO problem.

stanteau

10-06-2002, 10:40 PM

PLEASE!They got bigger fish to fry than a traveling priest who happens to kill people.There's a million mother****in movies portraying priests in FAR worse ways,or even South Park for christ sake.Why would they give a **** about some dinky show airing on a low advertised cartoon block with a million warnings up.

As for blood edits,I don't see a single thing getting the ax,Trigun is mostly known for it's severe lack of blood.

Brak

10-07-2002, 12:16 AM

Hey they have a priest with guns killing guys on King of the Hill

Vaya con dios

bassist

10-07-2002, 12:52 AM

There have been many "fill-in-the-blank"s with guns in movies and on TV. I seem to remember an episode of Law and Order where a priest kills several kids. The same things happened in Quantum Leap. Of course, those aren't cartoons, but still. If a rabbi can shoot up a jewelry store (NYPD Blue) without anyone complaining, I don't see what harm Wolfwood could do. And anyway, It's not like Wolfwood ever kills anyone until right near the end of the series. That's the whole point of Trigun, Violence is not the answer.An that's the truth, AMEN!

-Big Ben

SemperFi

10-07-2002, 12:54 AM

Let me say this.

If Dogma can air on basic cable with minor religious edits (it was cut-up quite a bit, but mainly for language, violence, and some really disgusting humor), then Trigun should be able to get on without any cuts as far as religious content goes.

So, now we have violence and language. Not enough violence to warrent any real editing (maybe a little towards the end of the series), and they can dub over any ****'s that arise.

Masamune2052

10-07-2002, 06:58 AM

Originally posted by livingfruitvirus
Comon. The priest isn't that bad. Why would he be protested against?

People would protest against it just for the sake of it. It would be easier, though, since Trigun is a "cartoon" that kids could watch and then their little minds would be warped and they would grow up thinking guns are cool then the shoot themselves. Then the blame would be on Trigun for "heavy gun use". Stupid soccer moms......... :p

stanteau

10-07-2002, 07:12 AM

yet again,I have not once seen a single article on AS on any type of soccer mom website.Get your head out of your ass and have some faith every now and then.

Sandro

10-07-2002, 09:21 AM

yet again,I have not once seen a single article on AS on any type of soccer mom website.

From what you've seen, they haven't even discovered Adult Swim yet.

Comon. The priest isn't that bad. Why would he be protested against?

Like Masamune said, people will complain just because they can. It's something that can't be controlled.

Remember, these same religious fanatics have managed to get Pokémon banned. If an airing of Trigun is even attempted, CN will have their mailboxes stuffed full of complaint letters.

There's a million mother****in movies portraying priests in FAR worse ways,or even South Park for christ sake.

Yes but this is a CARTOON. And, using the mindset of some people out there, Cartoon=for kids.

Why would they give a **** about some dinky show airing on a low advertised cartoon block with a million warnings up.

You seem to forget that CN is a "kids channel" to some people out there.

I'm not saying Trigun won't ever air on CN. I'm just saying that some obstacles will have to be overcome before such a thing happens.

livingfruitvirus

10-07-2002, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by Sandro885
From what you've seen, they haven't even discovered Adult Swim yet.

Probably not. It's so tucked away in CN. I'd bet any controversy would lead more people to discover AS, and it would do more good than bad. That's just how unpopular it is. O_O

Like Masamune said, people will complain just because they can. It's something that can't be controlled.

Remember, these same religious fanatics have managed to get Pokémon banned. If an airing of Trigun is even attempted, CN will have their mailboxes stuffed full of complaint letters.

Bug Trigun is aimed towards an older audience than Pokemon. Kids in America can't......well........are commonly believed that no one should push their ideas or beliefs onto kids, whereas adults have already established opinions and can watch TV without changing faith. If they do, they're probably dumb.

Yes but this is a CARTOON. And, using the mindset of some people out there, Cartoon=for kids.

I wish CN could grow a pair big enough to state that publically in the form of news or anything. I'd like to see the response they'd get.

You seem to forget that CN is a "kids channel" to some people out there.

I'm not saying Trigun won't ever air on CN. I'm just saying that some obstacles will have to be overcome before such a thing happens.

I contacted someone from CN about that, simply asking if it's ever possible for CN to be redesignated to a general network.

I have yet to see a soccer mom website, but this one comes awfully close: http://www.parentstv.org

Charred Knight

10-07-2002, 12:10 PM

The religious refrences are not the problem. IY's Miroku is a much more controversial character.

He is a buddhist priest, that has a habit of Fondling women, asking women to bear his children, lying for room and board, and generally scamming people of all their stuff and his considered a good guy.

Masamune2052

10-07-2002, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by livingfruitvirus
I wish CN could grow a pair big enough to state that publically in the form of news or anything. I'd like to see the response they'd get.
That would be sweet. Definitely worth taping.

Originally posted by stanteau
yet again,I have not once seen a single article on AS on any type of soccer mom website.Get your head out of your ass and have some faith every now and then.
Calm down now, bud. I use the term "soccer mom" in reference to someone, in this case, who wants to keep CN stricly on children's cartoons and not anything "adult".

Originally posted by livingfruitvirus
I have yet to see a soccer mom website, but this one comes awfully close: http://www.parentstv.org
That's hilarious. :D

Y3k-Bug

10-07-2002, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by Charred Knight
He is a buddhist priest, that has a habit of Fondling women, asking women to bear his children, lying for room and board, and generally scamming people of all their stuff and his considered a good guy.

But you must keep in mind, there aren't as many buddhists in America as there are Christians, or some such denomination of it. My point being that most people don't care if something is wrong, only when its wrong and affecting them personally.

And for the record, I don't think Wolfwood would be a problem at all. Maybe if he were commiting such violent acts while IN a church, perhaps. But otherwise, I think it could air unedited quite easily.

StrangerAtaru

10-07-2002, 01:35 PM

And here we go again....should Trigun air and how. From what I have seen, basically it is not too bad and if it a part of AS, it should be scoff free. But then again, considering the "alliance of soccer mom" refuse to see the maturation of cartoons unless they are "The Simpsons" (and even that can cause complaints from them) and what they "think" CN is about.....(welcome to America)

As for the Wolfwood comment, to pin it down, he starts killing at the end of ep. 16 with Rai-Nen the Blade. The only really creepy complaints the soccer moms would make would probably only occur with Zazie the Beast, but other than that a cross-weilding killer could get through.

Beat

10-07-2002, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by stanteau
PLEASE!They got bigger fish to fry than a traveling priest who happens to kill people.There's a million mother****in movies portraying priests in FAR worse ways,or even South Park for christ sake.Why would they give a **** about some dinky show airing on a low advertised cartoon block with a million warnings up.

As for blood edits,I don't see a single thing getting the ax,Trigun is mostly known for it's severe lack of blood.

Both are true. AS has the protecion of late night discalmers. What's the cost on the show, though? That could be worse than any censor.

stanteau

10-07-2002, 04:25 PM

I doubt Bandai would suddeny jac up the price

And again I must ask,why should soccer moms give a **** about AS?THEY DON'T KNOW IT EXISTS!Seriously,and once again they got bigger fish to fry.Once I see a PTC article on Adult Swim,my head will turn.Til then,kick back and keep your head up,don't be a cynicle bastard about it all.

And for the record,South Park is a cartoon.

Cyporiean

10-07-2002, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by stanteau
I doubt Bandai would suddeny jac up the price

Pioneer, not Bandai.

Sandro

10-07-2002, 10:41 PM

And again I must ask,why should soccer moms give a **** about AS?

And again I tell you, Cartoon Network is a "kids channel".

THEY DON'T KNOW IT EXISTS!

According to Parentstv.org (http://www.parentstv.org), they've already discovered some late night stuff. It'll only be a matter of time until they find Adult Swim. And once they do, they'll complain that it is on CN of all channels.

Seriously,and once again they got bigger fish to fry.

You are correct in some respects. Parentstv.org apparently has campaigns against the Shield, some video games (see: GTA III) and now they're putting Real World under the spot light. Plus, if you actually go to the website, you'll notice they say they're after more family-friendly programming. With CN, they sort of already have their foot in the door and may or may not vigorously screen them. But if they do, they're bound to find Adult Swim.

Til then,kick back and keep your head up,don't be a cynicle bastard about it all.

Cynical? I'm being realistic here. And I am relaxing for right now. I'm just saying that people might start finding Adult Swim in the future.

And for the record,South Park is a cartoon.

Thank you, Captain Obvious.

stanteau

10-08-2002, 07:10 AM

someone made the comment that South Park wasn't considered a cartoon.

And if anything this is good news.They'll probably talk about how great of a family show Home Movies is.

Tell ya what,and this is the honest to god truth here,if the PTC EVER do a story lambasting Adult Swim,I will mail you a check for $25,cause I truly believe the PTC will never give to ****s about AS

tlsmith1963

10-08-2002, 11:08 PM

Wolfwood takes guns out of his cross & uses them. Sometimes, his cross is a gun. Doesn't bother me, but it might bother those "soccer moms". Hopefully, they won't discover AS--I'd hate to see them attack Cowboy Bebop. That's my favorite.

Tammy

SemperFi

10-08-2002, 11:25 PM

You know, the PTC has a strange idea of what the "family veiwing hour" is. They say that The Sheild is very innapropriate for it's time slot. It's of at ****ing 10 at night, on Wednesdays, for the love of ****! Don't you think that these so-called "responsible parents" would give there kids earlier bedtimes?

Mugen

10-09-2002, 09:22 AM

Besides, we haven't seen any anime coming from Pioneer on CN in a long time. The only things Pioneer showed were Tenchi, and joint productions on anime movies(Dragonball Z, and Sailor Moon).

stanteau

10-09-2002, 03:50 PM

Yet again,until I see anything related to AS on these sites I'm gonna go with "they won't give a fat ****" as my answer

stanteau

10-09-2002, 03:52 PM

Actually,I think they'd be in support of Trigun.Lots of moral issues such as anti-violence and such are exhibited,no real bad language or sex,and nearly no blood.

Beat

10-09-2002, 03:57 PM

Yes, but would it air? GiTS, and Inu-Yasha are expensive. I heard that ASA can only afford 2 new animes a year.

stanteau

10-09-2002, 04:57 PM

2 animes?Well so far this year we got IY,GitS,Big O 2,and Tokyopop keeps dropping hints about Initial D being on broadcast TV (not officially AS but they've been droppin some big hints) plus my friend at Synch-Point keeps tellin me that CN is very interested in airing FLCL.

Charred Knight

10-09-2002, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by Beatdigga
Yes, but would it air? GiTS, and Inu-Yasha are expensive. I heard that ASA can only afford 2 new animes a year.

Their not that expensive.

Companies want their anime to be on TV.

CN is the best place to put anime on TV in the US since they attract a lot of people with Toonami and now Adult Swim.

They can get a lot of anime at reasonable prices.

CB cost less than a million dollars to air and the sucess of ASA is due to a large part of it.

Moonbay

10-10-2002, 08:40 PM

ASA people are all a buncha' hemophobes. All that would go is some blood and a bit 'o language.

"Actually I can't stand blood. Just the very sight of it gets me faint..."

...er, however it went. :D

Cyporiean

10-10-2002, 09:01 PM

Originally posted by stanteau
....plus my friend at Synch-Point keeps tellin me that CN is very interested in airing FLCL.

*Spits out his pepsi*

FLCL?! Holy *Explective Deleted*!!

Considering this has nothing that would need to be removed, I say Cheers to CN! Cheers to Synch-Point!

that is if CN can afford a Gainax series..

stanteau

10-10-2002, 10:42 PM

She says they've been interested since day one but they weren't sure if the out there style would be TV friendly so CN is watching the DVD sales closely.Once Vol. 3 is released they'll make their decision but she told me CN really wants to air series like Lain and such but they aren't sure if they are,again,TV friendly.

The Tentacle of DOOM

10-10-2002, 11:20 PM

Originally posted by Sandro885
According to Parentstv.org (http://www.parentstv.org), they've already discovered some late night stuff. It'll only be a matter of time until they find Adult Swim. And once they do, they'll complain that it is on CN of all channels... Parentstv.org apparently has campaigns against the Shield, some video games (see: GTA III) and now they're putting Real World under the spot light. Plus, if you actually go to the website, you'll notice they say they're after more family-friendly programming. With CN, they sort of already have their foot in the door and may or may not vigorously screen them. But if they do, they're bound to find Adult Swim.

I wouldn't get to worried about the Parent's Television Council. The PTC is a paper tiger that thinks it's the real thing, and to be honest, its would-be victims know the truth of the matter. Let's look at your examples, shall we--The Shield has gone onto several well-deserved Emmy nominations, and begins a new season in January. GTA III continues to be a successful game. If they start screaming about Adult Swim, I expect the result to be--

Exactly squat...

Karl Olson

10-11-2002, 03:31 AM

Lain and FLCL are in consideration? wow. It's nice to know that the people at william street can dream that big. Anyway, if they are willing to comtemplate FLCL and Lain, I'd say Trigun would be a shoe-in by comparison. It's much more "TV Friendly".

stanteau

10-11-2002, 07:08 AM

I'll ask her next time I get a chance

Millions Knives

10-11-2002, 12:31 PM

If Trigun were to air on ASA, religion wouldn't be the only problem. In a flashback episode, when Vash and Knives were kids, there was a breast squeezing scene and they mentioned rape. By the way I'm new.

Karl Olson

10-11-2002, 12:42 PM

Still, if whether it has appeal to US audiences is part of how CN chooses anime, Trigun, even though it might need more edits, would still be an easier sell than FLCL, because the humor and style of FLCL might be lost on a lot of people. Jokes about the Gundam Hammer, Ebichu and Eva fanzines are fairly otaku specific and the intensional changes in animation style might also be lost on some people. This also means that Fruits Basket from Funimation might be a tricky sell because some of it's humor is fairly culturally specific.

Andy Mancini

10-11-2002, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by Sandro885
If the religious fundamentalist wackos hear of Trigun airing on CN, they'll probably try to get the priest with the guns edited out or, worst case scenario and possibly most likely, prevent Trigun from airing at all.

Although I don't necessarily agree, I understand where you're coming from. There would be some big time protests, especially from Catholics who may say that "Trigun" is "bashing their religion", (Wolfwood's traveling confessional could make people think that he's a Catholic Preist), but as livingfruitvirus already stated, it would bring more attention to ASA. Heck, the people who would protest "Trigun" are probably the same people who think that "Rocky Mountain High" by John Denver is about heavy drug use and that SpongeBob Squarepants is homosexual.

Sandro

10-11-2002, 05:02 PM

Although I don't necessarily agree, I understand where you're coming from. There would be some big time protests, especially from Catholics who may say that "Trigun" is "bashing their religion", (Wolfwood's traveling confessional could make people think that he's a Catholic Preist), but as livingfruitvirus already stated, it would bring more attention to ASA.

Thank you!