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KingKoopa

10-05-2002, 11:25 PM

Originally posted by stanteau
maybe this episode ran over the normal time They could've made time cuts, if that was the case. I'd rather have time cuts than the entire opening cut.

If Yu Yu Hakusho's opening is cut, I'm just not gonna bother watching ASA again. It may seem stupid, but I'm not gonna support them if they cut the openings. Toonami has a decent excuse, but I'm not fond of them doing it either. ASA, on the other hand, has NO EXCUSE to cut them. I'm giving up on ASA if this continues to happen.

Skynet2029

10-05-2002, 11:25 PM

thats not cool ! I liked the opening theme for inuyasha :mad:

stanteau

10-05-2002, 11:25 PM

It's a horrible song either way

KingKoopa

10-05-2002, 11:29 PM

Well, YYH is intact, but we'll have to see about OLS or 0083.

bassist

10-05-2002, 11:30 PM

The song isn't the issue. It's the atmosphere. The song, I agree, isn't very good, but the opening as a whole is part of IY and removing it is like trying to play baseball with a one-armed man (not including Jim Abbot).

-Big Ben

nothing

10-05-2002, 11:33 PM

someone should write a letter or make a call and see what's going on. i'm of the opinion that the open should play & the eyecatches signify the commercial time.

stanteau

10-05-2002, 11:41 PM

Well,they've shown it 4 times so I doubt they'd just abruptly cut it,there had to of been a reason and I think it's cause of lentgh,when I get home I'll check my fansub to make sure.

eyager

10-05-2002, 11:48 PM

YYH has started a little bit before 11:30. Hopefully someone just made a mistake queing up the tape. The error might be corrected when adult swim airs on the west coast.

Coollead

10-05-2002, 11:57 PM

YYH also didn't have a disclaimer. =O

SpaceCowboy

10-06-2002, 12:02 AM

Originally posted by eyager
YYH has started a little bit before 11:30. Hopefully someone just made a mistake queing up the tape. The error might be corrected when adult swim airs on the west coast.

They forgot to air the warning in front of YYH, it just started right after the commercial.

If you people on the west coast get Inu Yasha's opening tonight, then damn! you are lucky. Why do we on the east coast always have to get the screw-ups!
You lucky people also get a PBS station that shows anime, ::cries and looks down at his fist while talking like an anime character::.

sl4

10-06-2002, 12:03 AM

I've noticed that while the disclaimers usually air every 30 minutes, sometimes it's only one per hour. Or maybe I'm just going insane.

KingKoopa

10-06-2002, 12:29 AM

As I feared, Gundam 0083 now has a Toonami intro. At least there was no disclaimer.

10 bucks says the Outlaw Star Toonami intro airs He-Man style.

Killtacular

10-06-2002, 12:29 AM

No OP for 0083.

Sir Gatts

10-06-2002, 12:41 AM

Hmm... These changed openers don't seem to bother me too much. Reused openers get boring over time anyway.

Artemis

10-06-2002, 12:41 AM

Yeesh, I hope this doesn't continue next week....

stanteau

10-06-2002, 12:44 AM

This is VERY strange.IY they'd have an excuse but they've aired the Gundam eps 3 times now,why would they all of a sudden cut the opening?

Masamune2052

10-06-2002, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by Matt Wilson
I'm not sure why CN removed the OP from Inu-yasha.

I don't know if they want to be like Toonami, or if they're just preparing for the new look of ASA, which may end up trying to be like Toonami.

Either way, it disgusts me.

Toonaminization *shudders*. I liked "Change The World" and I also like the Gundam 0083 opening. I wonder if Outlaw Star will keep it's opening (please please please don't let OS lose it's opening!).

SpaceCowboy

10-06-2002, 12:52 AM

Just as I feared, it wasn't an error. CN is probably trying to cut down on show time for more commercials. Well, atleast the block is getting sponsors, that's the good thing. But, even though there were more commercials this time, they still should have been able to sqeeze the opening as Yu Yu Hakusho started earlier.
Judging from 0083's no opening, there will be no opening for next week's IY. Viz should've given CN the opening along with the episode itself like Bandai and Funi do for their newer shows.

Still, the opening should be put back in for the edited-for-AS shows in order to distance itself from Toonami.

Achika

10-06-2002, 01:29 AM

Yep, no OS intro. This could quite possibly be the worst night of ASA ever since that one night when PC was on twice anyway.

Dogasu

10-06-2002, 02:01 AM

I got a friend on the west coast to look out for the Inu-Yasha intro, and it wasn't shown over there either. Urge to kill RISING...

VinceA

10-06-2002, 04:59 AM

I haven't had a chance to review the TiVo of last night's AS but might the cuts been there to take into account the fact that OS runs long on episode #26?

Otherwise, CN has just given people another reason to buy the DVDs of shows that want to see untouched. Not a bad plan on the part of the companies that license the shows to CN ("Hey, show enough of the program to get people hooked but not enough that they can do without the 'real thing'"). :)

Steve Jester

10-06-2002, 09:10 AM

Didn't see the begining of Inu-Yasha, but ah well! Didn't Watch 0083, but OS, OH boy am I pissed. They didn't have to cut the opener.

Originally posted by Achika
Yep, no OS intro. This could quite possibly be the worst night of ASA ever since that one night when PC was on twice anyway.

:mad: no comment.

Lunacat

10-06-2002, 09:23 AM

Argh! Why?! Sometimes, yes, I like the Toonami openers (I'm a sucker for techno anime videos, don't ask) but come on! If they'd started the block with these videos, that'd be a different story, but the fact that they suddenly decided to shove them in is just wrong. No one mentioned Bebop (or maybe I just overlooked it), did they cut that OP out too? I really hope not, "Tank!" is one of the best anime OPs of all time!

bassist

10-06-2002, 10:40 AM

Even if they did cut the opening permanently, look on the upsides: a) We're not losing any real content. b) More commercials will help pay for new and better series in the future. c) they could be cutting out all the good stuff (i.e. the action.)

Ok, so that last one was a stretch, but still... It may not be the best thing ever, but there are plenty of reasons to support the loss of the opening. Does it still piss me off? Yes. Am I going to object? Not yet... well, besides my earlier objection.

-Big Ben

Masamune2052

10-06-2002, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by Lunacat
No one mentioned Bebop (or maybe I just overlooked it), did they cut that OP out too? I really hope not, "Tank!" is one of the best anime OPs of all time!

Fortunately, they kept the opening for Yu Yu Hakusho, Cowboy Bebop, and Mobile Suit Gundam. I can live w/o the original Gundam 0083 opening, but Inu Yasha is sweet. As for Outlaw Star..........I am at a loss of words to express my anger that they cut that awesome opening, especially for the final episode.

Dalamar13

10-06-2002, 12:37 PM

Very angry! Very very angry! Now we have to wait a week to see if the keep it up. God help them if they do!!

KingKoopa

10-06-2002, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by Dalamar13
Very angry! Very very angry! Now we have to wait a week to see if the keep it up. God help them if they do!! If anything gets its opening restored, it'll be Inu-Yasha. The only reason they'd do that is if people got so pissed about it they just didn't watch. We'll need to bug CN over and over until they restore it.

sl4

10-06-2002, 12:43 PM

CRUNK.. ANGRY!!!

:mad:

DarkMaster

10-06-2002, 12:46 PM

So InuYasha got a toonami opening?

fernie417

10-06-2002, 12:47 PM

Is it a condicence that CN cut the ops with Japanese vocals? I just hope they are back next week.

Dalamar13

10-06-2002, 12:50 PM

Well I hope they all get their openings back. Especially IY and OLS. I like them both so much. How should we bug CN?

Mugen

10-06-2002, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by Matt Wilson
No OP for 0083.

Actually, I have the DVD for Gundam 0083 and the first episode does not have the opening. I guess this was part of WS' plan to de-edit Gundam 0083.

sl4

10-06-2002, 01:07 PM

Let us all rejoice and send them Rabies-In-A-Can™! :D

KingKoopa

10-06-2002, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by fernie417
Is it a condicence that CN cut the ops with Japanese vocals? I just hope they are back next week. Yes, it wasn't because they had Japanese vocals. Viz originally cut the openings from the Adult Swim tapes because their DVD versions will have the dubbed version of Change the World on the dubbed track. They decided to cut the dubbed openings and supply WS with a Japanese opening. Unfortunately, though, WS doesn't play the openings seperately now for some reason. When Inu-Yasha premieres its second season, which won't be for a good, long time, the openings will probably air dubbed on AS. Until then, they'll be gone.

First the eyecatches, then the openings. Pretty soon My Will will be shortened to 15-30 seconds of the opening chords on repeat.

Originally posted by SSJ Gohan 64
Actually, I have the DVD for Gundam 0083 and the first episode does not have the opening. I guess this was part of WS' plan to de-edit Gundam 0083.

They killed it for Inu-Yasha and Outlaw Star, which WERE supposed to have openings. It's disgusting what they did, pure and simple. Gundam 0083 won't have its opening next week. Neither will Outlaw Star. The only show that has a remote chance of having its opening aired again is Inu-Yasha, but I'm not even sure that'll keep it.

Big O 2 and GitS had better keep their intros intact. If WS decides to cut them, I'll just wait for the DVDs.

JDuncan

10-06-2002, 03:33 PM

I wonder if ASC will have any "toonamicized" openings.

KingKoopa

10-06-2002, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by jdoggg
I wonder if ASC will have any "toonamicized" openings. :eek:

Don't even THINK about that.

It's not gonna happen, though. All of ASC's shows have openings attached to the show.

stanteau

10-06-2002, 04:15 PM

There's no logic behind the Jpn vocals part since the Bebop ending is in Japanese,as is every other show.

Knowing CN and their amazing production values it was probably the case of a lost tape.

KingKoopa

10-06-2002, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by stanteau
There's no logic behind the Jpn vocals part since the Bebop ending is in Japanese,as is every other show.

Knowing CN and their amazing production values it was probably the case of a lost tape. Sounds like a possibility. It certianly would be a better excuse than anything else.

ohmrbill

10-06-2002, 04:53 PM

Three lost tapes in one night? Not bloody likely...

JetMaster5

10-06-2002, 04:59 PM

It's worse when there are no openings to your favorite shows. But you know what's more worse? NOT BE ABLE TO WATCH THE SHOWS AT ALL BECAUSE MY FAMILY HAD TO HOG UP THE TV!!!! AND NOW I CAN'T EVEN WATCH IT ANYMORE! I CAN'T EVEN TAPE IT ANYMORE! I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ANYMOOOOORRRREEEE!!!!!!!!!AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!

Master Moron

10-06-2002, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by bassist
Even if they did cut the opening permanently, look on the upsides: a) We're not losing any real content. b) More commercials will help pay for new and better series in the future. c) they could be cutting out all the good stuff (i.e. the action.)

Ok, so that last one was a stretch, but still... It may not be the best thing ever, but there are plenty of reasons to support the loss of the opening. Does it still piss me off? Yes. Am I going to object? Not yet... well, besides my earlier objection.

-Big Ben

a)I would consider the openings content. After all, the openings are the only things that get me through watching reruns.

b)Who cares if they get new series if the new series have their openings cut? They could get new openless series on Toonami.

c)Well, considering Outlaw Star has a lot of the "good stuff" cut out anyway, this argument doesn't hold up too well.

Anyway, I'm really pissed off about this as are you. But, I am most certainly going to object. When Adult Swim action first came on, I was grateful. I thought, finally, Cartoon Network proves it cares about anime. But, now they're cutting out the openings and making new "hip" openings to appeal to a more mainstream audience. Seriously, if they want more commercial time, why not just make the commercials longer in between shows? I mean, jeez, Tenchi and Gundam 0083 have both gone way over their scheduled times before, so what's an extra minute for the opening? I thought Cartoon Network actually cared about anime. I thought they cared about their fans. Boy, did they have me fooled.

Spike&Gene3886

10-06-2002, 05:19 PM

Guys, chill for a second. Here are some reasonings:

a) They wanted to show off IY's new "Toonami" opening so everyone could see it. They'll still (or at least should) show the original OP, but this one will precede it.

b) As stated before, 0083 doesn't have an opening during the first ep., so that's solved.

c) In the final episode of OS, on my DVD, they simply go straight to the opening. On every other ep, however, they begin with a prologue and then go to the opening, but since this is Toonamicized Outlaw Star, they may have cut the opening to the opening because they thought it was the prologue and were going to move it, but where would they move it to? Also, there was an epilogue at the end (a very poor one, but one none the less) that takes up almost an equal amount of time as the opening. That's just my logic. It may be completely off, but it's just an educated guess.

KingKoopa

10-06-2002, 07:15 PM

Originally posted by Spike&Gene3886
Guys, chill for a second. Here are some reasonings:

a) They wanted to show off IY's new "Toonami" opening so everyone could see it. They'll still (or at least should) show the original OP, but this one will precede it.

b) As stated before, 0083 doesn't have an opening during the first ep., so that's solved.

c) In the final episode of OS, on my DVD, they simply go straight to the opening. On every other ep, however, they begin with a prologue and then go to the opening, but since this is Toonamicized Outlaw Star, they may have cut the opening to the opening because they thought it was the prologue and were going to move it, but where would they move it to? Also, there was an epilogue at the end (a very poor one, but one none the less) that takes up almost an equal amount of time as the opening. That's just my logic. It may be completely off, but it's just an educated guess. Right, so its just a coincidence that three shows lost their openings, the only three shows with the opening on a different tape than a show? Not likely. First, the 0083 opening didn't air on the original version. However, it DOES belong on the Adult Swim version. It has ALWAYS aired on the AS version. Second, they didn't have a "Toonami" opening for Inu-Yasha. It was made for the occasion. Even if they did, it'd be like Outlaw Star and would be remade. And in Outlaw Star's case, they've been playing it seperately so far, why stop now?

Don't bother trying to justify this by show. There is only ONE reason why this happened, not three different reasons. 0083's "it's not supposed to be there" is invalid, because it has aired before the first episode before. Since all three followed the exact same symtoms, I would like to know what the reason for this is.

Spike&Gene3886

10-06-2002, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by KingKoopa
Right, so its just a coincidence that three shows lost their openings, the only three shows with the opening on a different tape than a show? Not likely. First, the 0083 opening didn't air on the original version. However, it DOES belong on the Adult Swim version. It has ALWAYS aired on the AS version. Second, they didn't have a "Toonami" opening for Inu-Yasha. It was made for the occasion. Even if they did, it'd be like Outlaw Star and would be remade. And in Outlaw Star's case, they've been playing it seperately so far, why stop now?

Don't bother trying to justify this by show. There is only ONE reason why this happened, not three different reasons. 0083's "it's not supposed to be there" is invalid, because it has aired before the first episode before. Since all three followed the exact same symtoms, I would like to know what the reason for this is.

Even if this is true, it may have been a simple coincedence and everything will be ok next week, or you'll have to do the same thing I do:
1) Get over it
2) Buy the originals. It's only $89 for the OS box set, which is a very good price, and I can't imagine 0083 being that expensive either. As for IY, you're on your own there.

KingKoopa

10-06-2002, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by Spike&Gene3886
Even if this is true, it may have been a simple coincedence and everything will be ok next week, or you'll have to do the same thing I do:
1) Get over it
2) Buy the originals. It's only $89 for the OS box set, which is a very good price, and I can't imagine 0083 being that expensive either. As for IY, you're on your own there. I already own the Outlaw Star DVDs and don't care about 0083. What bugs me is Inu-Yasha. It's not out on DVD and I haven't seen it yet. Cutting the OP RUINS the feel of the show. I couldn't concentrate on it until about 1/4 into the show, when Sesshomaru takes the pearl from Inu-Yasha's eye. If its like this next week, I'm gonna watch something else at 11:00, and come back for Yu Yu Hakusho and Bebop.

Mugen

10-06-2002, 07:33 PM

I wouldn't mind if CN made their own opening and then showed the Original opening after it. That Gundam 0083 CN opening was pretty good(especially when they allowed Kou to say "Go to Hell!!!!").

Ikwig

10-06-2002, 07:54 PM

Wow, there certainly is a lot of anger in this thread! I don't suppose anyone has actually been able to find out from CN what was up with the missing openings. Personally, I plan on keeping calm until either a. someone hears from CN about what's up or b. two more weeks go by with no original openings on these three shows (at which point, I will be extremely angry :mad: ).

First, the 0083 opening didn't air on the original version. However, it DOES belong on the Adult Swim version. It has ALWAYS aired on the AS version.
Ummm, are you absolutely positive about this? I do have the dvds, and there is no opening before the first episode. I also watched it when it first played on AS, and I don't recall the opening playing before the first episode (however, that was last spring, so I could be mis-remembering).

Viz originally cut the openings from the Adult Swim tapes because their DVD versions will have the dubbed version of Change the World on the dubbed track.
Please, please tell me that this isn't true/confirmed. If it is true, there goes another of my reasons for buying the dvds. :( Why on earth would they feel the need to dub the opening song?

SpaceCowboy

10-06-2002, 07:57 PM

My fear is that CN will turn ASA into a Toonami clone, an exact clone, with no AS in sight. That is my biggest fear! And cutting the openings like they do for Toonami IS that scary!
Adult Swim Action should BE a sanctuary for anime to be aired on US TV with very little editing and enjoyable for the audience that is mature enough to handle it!
We "mature" people aren't stupid, like we can't handle the mature subject matter of anime. We are tired of always being subjected to GOOD anime being dumbed-down and destroyed in order to please unresponsable over-protective parents!

My point is, that Adult Swim Action NEEDS its openings in order to step in the right direction and not backward to the strict days of Toonami! If people are turned off by the Japanese vocals, then have CN request the openings be subtitled or even dubbed for god's sake!

Jude Santos

10-06-2002, 08:03 PM

so is not showing the openings a permanent thing now? i sure hope not...

anyway, has anyone tried emailing CN about the subject? i read somewhere in the forums a long time ago that they actually reply to email :::goes off to email CN:::

KingKoopa

10-06-2002, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by Fatal
so is not showing the openings a permanent thing now? i sure hope not...

anyway, has anyone tried emailing CN about the subject? i read somewhere in the forums a long time ago that they actually reply to email :::goes off to email CN::: I'd email CN if I knew the address...

Arxane

10-06-2002, 08:21 PM

The email is:

AdultSwim@turner.com

At least that's what it says in the " What's On Adult Swim? - October and November" thread.

I sent in an email just a few seconds ago, but I think it'll take more than one email to make our opinion heard. But if you do write, be mature yet firm about it. CN made a mistake, so let's just strongly point it out, not cruficy and castrate them for it.

Arxane

10-06-2002, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by arxane
The email is:

AdultSwim@turner.com

At least that's what it says in the " What's On Adult Swim? - October and November" thread.

I sent in an email just a few seconds ago, but I think it'll take more than one email to make our opinion heard. But if you do write, be mature yet firm about it. CN made a mistake, so let's just point it out and ask them to correct it, not cruficy and castrate them for it.

dmr456

10-09-2002, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by arxane
The email is:

AdultSwim@turner.com

At least that's what it says in the " What's On Adult Swim? - October and November" thread.

I sent in an email just a few seconds ago, but I think it'll take more than one email to make our opinion heard. But if you do write, be mature yet firm about it. CN made a mistake, so let's just strongly point it out, not cruficy and castrate them for it.

So have I but still no response... we'll just have to wait till next ASA