Can someone explain to me why ADV shows will never be on CN's AS? [Archive]

Jude Santos

07-30-2002, 09:08 PM

its becuase they dont want to edit any of their anime (it can be on AS, but it has to be uncut), this is what i heard anyway. IMO, they're being asses about their property on TV, and they actually think thats what the fans want.

if you guys have seen some titles from ADV (particularly Generator Gawl, Orphen and Those Who Hunt Elves), they change the orignal script for the dub (and thats not becuase the dialogue needs to match the lip movements). so let me get this straight, ADV does not have a problem with changing the dub script (adding horible pop culture references and taking away some elements from the series)but they have a problem with putting they're stuff on tv? :rolleyes:

this has been a biased post by Fatal, the number 1 ADV hater.

Killtacular

07-30-2002, 09:12 PM

ADV doesn't have a problem with stuff airing on TV. They just haven't cared to set aside any deal.

IMO, the only show they have that really fit's AS's mood is Noir, and I dunno if they'll consider putting that on TV.

Spike Mcdougal

07-30-2002, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by Fatal
its becuase they dont want to edit any of their anime (it can be on AS, but it has to be uncut), this is what i heard anyway. IMO, they're being asses about their property on TV, and they actually think thats what the fans want.

if you guys have seen some titles from ADV (particularly Generator Gawl, Orphen and Those Who Hunt Elves), they change the orignal script for the dub (and thats not becuase the dialogue needs to match the lip movements). so let me get this straight, ADV does not have a problem with changing the dub script (adding horible pop culture references and taking away some elements from the series)but they have a problem with putting they're stuff on tv? :rolleyes:

this has been a biased post by Fatal, the number 1 ADV hater.

I'm sorry but that did not make any sense

livingfruitvirus

07-30-2002, 09:22 PM

Jude Santos

07-30-2002, 09:25 PM

I'm sorry but that did not make any sense

i'll make it easier for you to understand ok?

ADV changed the original script of some of their titles for dvd release. what exactly did they change? they completly took out episode references in "Those Who Hunt Elves" and they added pop culture references such as "MArilyn Manson" etc etc.

so if i can re-state in a different wording:

ADV doesn't have a problem with changing the original script but tthey have a problem with editing their shows for tv. (because they're supposed reasoning for not having any titles on tv is becuase they dont want to edit)

makes sense now? this whole post is to show how ridicuolus ADV's reasoning for not wanting their stuff on tv.

stanteau

07-30-2002, 10:05 PM

NO!Not Noir,ANYTHING but Noir.Noir is the Pilot Candidate of gun animes.

Artemis

07-30-2002, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by livingfruitvirus
The only ADV series that has ever been on CN was Robotech, and that was many years ago. I think not attempting to get their properties on TV is really hurting ADV, even if it isn't showing much.

But Robotech wasn't even dubbed by ADV, just merely distributed by it. And the deal was made after Robotech made it on TV.

Jude Santos

07-30-2002, 11:09 PM

The only ADV series that has ever been on CN was Robotech, and that was many years ago. I think not attempting to get their properties on TV is really hurting ADV, even if it isn't showing much.

CN doesnt own robotech, Harmony Gold does

Also, Pioneer hasn't had much of their stuff on CN either, besides the Tenchi shows. Everything else has been either Bandai, FUNimation, or Viz. Viz seems to have recently discovered the benefits of TV.

however, Pioneer wants Lupin III on tv, speaking of which, my friend was at Anime Expo 2002 and he asked the Pioneer rep, he said that Lupin has to be on tv (becuase its a long series), when he asked what channel are they aiming for, they said "We're looking into a 'adult swim' type block to put it on" (honestly, how many 'adult swim' type blocks are there besides AS itself?)

Artemis

07-30-2002, 11:16 PM

Well there is that TNN block coming in the future.

But I hope it's the CN AS they are talking about. :)

SpaceCowboy

07-30-2002, 11:28 PM

I don't think ADV would mind airing their shows on CN, but they just haven't tried to. The shows that they seem to be most successful for are Rurouni Kenshin OAVs and Evangelion, but those would have to be heavily edited for AS as they won't get by the BS&P easily.

Noir would work the best, as there is hardly anything to edit. It doesn't have anything that we haven't already seen on AS. And, yes it has some flawsthe girls kill the bad guys way too easily and the climaxes are too predictable , but it's much better than Pilot Candidate and actually HAS an actual plot. It has beautifully done artwork and a very suspenseful pace. Good show, but could've been better.

I'm done.

Karl Olson

07-31-2002, 01:02 AM

Noir would work well. IMHO, Its not the smartest anime, but it could hold it's own on ASA with out any problems.

Mad Scientist

07-31-2002, 01:19 AM

ADV wants to keep the anime they collect completely uncut, and if even just the tiniest frame was taken out, say goodbye to the licenses.

CN has to follow guidelines, you know...

stanteau

07-31-2002, 01:50 AM

UGH!Noir is the most generic,lame,cliched,and overused anime since Gatekeepers.The action is SO ****in cheap,just the girl killing a billion random black suited retards and the contsant resuage of the clock footage is enough to dirve anyone insane.The characters are dull and one dimensional (plus overused to anyone who's a French film buff).The plots are rarely,if ever,followed through decently.They usually end with such a cliche happy pappy bull**** answer I wanna puke.One of the only exceptions is the episode early on with the homeless guy,that eisode was GREAT,if more episodes we're like that the series would be amazing.As far as the "cold hearted girl" series go Vampire Princess Miyu kicks Noir's ass.

Spike Mcdougal

07-31-2002, 03:48 AM

Originally posted by stanteau
UGH!Noir is the most generic,lame,cliched,and overused anime since Gatekeepers.The action is SO ****in cheap,just the girl killing a billion random black suited retards and the contsant resuage of the clock footage is enough to dirve anyone insane.The characters are dull and one dimensional (plus overused to anyone who's a French film buff).The plots are rarely,if ever,followed through decently.They usually end with such a cliche happy pappy bull**** answer I wanna puke.One of the only exceptions is the episode early on with the homeless guy,that eisode was GREAT,if more episodes we're like that the series would be amazing.As far as the "cold hearted girl" series go Vampire Princess Miyu kicks Noir's ass.

GET OVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Everyone else seems to like it

Sora Takenouchi

07-31-2002, 07:27 AM

Exclamation points = Spike Mcdougal's best friend :p

stanteau I understand completely how you feel about Noir. They are so many ADV titles I'd rather see on Adult Swim.

Jude Santos

07-31-2002, 10:48 AM

i agree with stanteau on this one. i dont like noir either. out of all the anime series' ive seen, very few had made me sleep (and PC isnt one of them). Noir just moves so DAMN SLOW. reaction is pretty much mixed to Noir, ive seen a lot of people who hate it and people who like it. as of now however, majority of the people havent seen it, when ADV releases Noir on ADV, im predicting that a lot of people will not like it, maybe the first dvd, but the second, third and fourth dvd's (and maybe the 5th one too) will suck so much in terms of content becuase absolutely nothing happns in those episodes

dawnyoshi

07-31-2002, 01:51 PM

It would be nice to see Slayers on Adult Swim. not much to cut out on that, despite ie being rated TV-3 and up, it seems to think 3 year olds don't mind hearing cursing and blood leaking out of someone's back. lol

It might have some great comedic elements, but once you get into Next and Try there is some REALLY good action and drama.

Excel Saga- I can dream, right? :)

Fire Emblem- Only if CN has a habit of showing crap, despite myself loving Fire Emblem the GAMES. This show...just sucks.

well, it's all up to ADV and CN. Maybe they'll strike a deal. Also, i noticed something. FUNi is selling the yu-gi-oh tapes, and they specify them being editted. I think that might hint to an uneditted version, possibly AS worthy. Don't believe me? I'll link a few clips you'll never see on WB if you're skepitcal. :D

Beat

07-31-2002, 02:00 PM

ADV and CN have been at odds. The Crown Jewel of ADV, Envangelion, will air on the CN just as soon as the PTA is burned at the stake.

I see ADV taking sides with TNN and their new block.

dawnyoshi

07-31-2002, 02:25 PM

oh yes. i can see it now on TNN.

"we'll be right back to Neon Genesis Evangelion, but first! A word from our sponser at Greased Lightning car oil!"

Beat

07-31-2002, 02:29 PM

Weirder things have happened. How did they get "Star Trek"?

Karl Olson

07-31-2002, 03:04 PM

They got star trek because they are a viacom company (which mean getting the rights aren't a problem) and they are trying to reposition themselves from Nashville to National, and Star Trek is good way to distance themselves from those roots. They are sorta half way though this transition (atleast from my perspective), but if they ran Eva (preferably as a lead in or lead to star trek so that fanbase is more likely to watch it) and anything else worth running from ADV, that would move them along in their repositioning considerably. Whether they'd have the guts to run it is another matter. It'll be easier to figure that out when the TNN Adult Animation block premieres.

ohmrbill

07-31-2002, 03:40 PM

Actually, ADV pitched Nadesico to Toonami quite a while ago but CN turned it down for whatever reason. So you can't really say ADV hasn't tried to get anything on CN.

Beat

07-31-2002, 03:44 PM

And that is the root of the bad blood between CN and ADV.

DarkMaster

07-31-2002, 04:07 PM

Adult Swim
10:00 Home Movies
10:30 Neon Genesis Evangelion
11:00 Space Ghost Coast to Coast
11:30 Aqua Teen Hunger Force
11:45 Sealab 2021

:) airs on saturday night

Jude Santos

07-31-2002, 04:14 PM

the only reson why eva is on CN Aus is becuase it already aired on SBS and the series is licensed by Madman entertainment.

Zero Angel

07-31-2002, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by livingfruitvirus
The only ADV series that has ever been on CN was Robotech, and that was many years ago. I think not attempting to get their properties on TV is really hurting ADV, even if it isn't showing much.

are you kidding? a major movie company is currently in negotiations with ADV over making ADV their distributors for movies. also ADV has lots of other hot properties not just limiting them to anime...FarScape anyone?

Jude Santos

07-31-2002, 04:17 PM

I see ADV taking sides with TNN and their new block.

hmmmm...now that you mention it, matt greenfield of ADV was hinting something about having their anime on tv withing 8 months or so...

as long as they have their stuff on tv, even if it isnt CN, ill be happy

Andrew

08-01-2002, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by ohmrbill
Actually, ADV pitched Nadesico to Toonami quite a while ago but CN turned it down for whatever reason.

You sure you're not thinking of Nadia? 'Cause in all my time at CNX, I never remember hearing anything about Nadesico being pitched to Toonami. And considering the fact that we constantly complained about Nadesico not being on the block, it seems logical to me that someone would've brought it up one of those times.

I do recall mentions of Nadia being pitched to Toonami, though. Major credence was given to those rumors by the fact that ADV said "Nadia will be on TV" at Anime Expo 2001 (though it never ended up happening). If I remember correctly, the rumor given for them turning that particular series down was the nudity present in the later parts of it (and having just had to do the extreme nudity-editing work on Tenchi Muyo!, I frankly don't blame them for not wanting it).

I see absolutely no reason for them to have turned down Nadesico, especially given the fact that we weren't nearly as overloaded with mecha series at the time it would've been pitched. Unless, of course, the oft-mentioned rumors about ADV not wanting their stuff edited are true, but I have yet to see anyone present any proof of that claim. Just like the GAINAX no-editing rumor. And we all saw how true that was.

ohmrbill

08-01-2002, 12:35 PM

One of the members on the boards, and a moderator for the Toonami board (CC-Sama), actually works for ADV. He mentioned that he actually held the Nadesico tape that CN viewed in his hand at one point, and that they rejected it. If the old Rev. boards hadn't been deleted, I could've probably dug up the thread where he said it. Oh well, I guess you could PM him for some clarification if you wanted. =/

Andrew

08-01-2002, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by ohmrbill
One of the members on the boards, and a moderator for the Toonami board (CC-Sama), actually works for ADV. He mentioned that he actually held the Nadesico tape that CN viewed in his hand at one point, and that they rejected it.

Yeah, I know who CC is. :p

In fact, I once (many, many moons ago) directly asked him why Nadesico wasn't on Toonami, and if I recall correctly, his response was along the lines of, "that's a good question, I don't really know." He must've found out later.

If CC said it, that's good enough for me. I still question that particular decision on the part of Williams Street, though. The only reasons I could see would be ADV demanding no editing (again, no proof of that) or they offered it later in Toonami's lifetime when yet another mecha series would be three too many mecha series.

Beat

08-01-2002, 02:23 PM

The big question.

Can the already fledging ASA afford to have ADV as an enemy?

stanteau

08-01-2002, 03:15 PM

I think Nadesico's plotline would be very confusing to the Toonami target audience.

rhudson765

08-01-2002, 05:38 PM

Originally posted by ohmrbill
Actually, ADV pitched Nadesico to Toonami quite a while ago but CN turned it down for whatever reason. So you can't really say ADV hasn't tried to get anything on CN.

Well Nadesico would be perfect for adult swim. CN should try again.

SpaceCowboy

08-01-2002, 07:59 PM

Originally posted by Fatal
i agree with stanteau on this one. i dont like noir either. out of all the anime series' ive seen, very few had made me sleep (and PC isnt one of them). Noir just moves so DAMN SLOW. reaction is pretty much mixed to Noir, ive seen a lot of people who hate it and people who like it. as of now however, majority of the people havent seen it, when ADV releases Noir on ADV, im predicting that a lot of people will not like it, maybe the first dvd, but the second, third and fourth dvd's (and maybe the 5th one too) will suck so much in terms of content becuase absolutely nothing happns in those episodes

I agree that it's heavily flawed, I only suggested it because it can air on AS without any nessesary editing. It's not one of my favorite series, but I'd rather see it on the block than Y7 Toonami edited shows. It's my opinion that it doesn't suck as bad as many think.

stanteau

08-01-2002, 08:21 PM

I'd rather see 11 Pilot Candidate episodes all in a row then sit through 2 of Noir's.

Matt Hazuda

08-01-2002, 08:29 PM

Originally posted by stanteau
I'd rather see 11 Pilot Candidate episodes all in a row then sit through 2 of Noir's. That's a pretty harsh statement. i've never seen Noir, but I don't think anything could be worse than PC.

No on to other things. If CC-Sama would come outside the Toonami forum once in a while maybe he could get over here and try to answer the question for us.

Jude Santos

08-01-2002, 09:07 PM

That's a pretty harsh statement. i've never seen Noir, but I don't think anything could be worse than PC.

you know how in PC, theres no plot development for 12 episodes? same with Noir, except it has no plot development for 25 episodes. the only reason to watch Noir is the music.

stanteau

08-01-2002, 09:14 PM

And to describe the fights imagine the movie Hard Boiled but without the violence,characterization,or cool explosions.It's literally this little girl shooting row after row of mindless clones (not really clones but they all look exactly the same) with a silenced pistol.There's no blood,she just shoots them and they fall.JNow I'mnot advocating useless blood,good god no,but the fights are LITERALLY just them falling down.It's so patheticaly cheesy.Actually,Noir is the Pilot Candidate of gun anime.

Jude Santos

08-02-2002, 02:02 PM

to push the subject of Noir a little bit further, i dont know if you guys remember (or even know), when Pilot Candidate wasnt licensed yet, it got A LOT of buzz about it being so 'good', heck, one dude from animeboards even recomended it to me, but low and behold, when it was released in the US, everyone knew how bad it is. the point here is, not a lot of people have seen noir, and the buzz about noir being so good is just 'word of mouth'. so i wouldnt be shocked if people bashed it.

stanteau

08-02-2002, 03:13 PM

I ahve seen all episodes and the Directors Special,it sucks

Karl Olson

08-03-2002, 02:08 PM

I've only saw up to 10 of noir before it was licenced. I guess it goes down hill later. Anyway, given the choice of Noir or Hack://Sign (they were made by the same company in Japan IIRC), I'd go with Hack://Sign. It's a much better show IMO.

Nabuca

08-03-2002, 02:58 PM

Considering Williams Street's relationship with Pioneer it is amazing that no one has heard of any type of proposal to get Trigun on Adult Swim. I still believe that we will see Trigun on AS sometime in 2003.

CC-sama

08-03-2002, 08:40 PM

What a difficult subject to try and answer satisfactory. Foremost, I’m really not quite certain what our relationship is with CN; simply because that is not my department- therefore my knowledge is limited and I can’t really comment on what I don’t know. However, I’ll try and clear up a few things at least.

During a Real Audio interview with Sean Atkins, he mentioned that he had all of Nadesico sitting on his desk for consideration. Given that this was some years ago, and the fact that Nadesico isn’t on the network, you can draw your own conclusion.

Back when Disney was putting out Atlantis, CN publicly expressed interest in Nadia in a chat they held... I believe in Moltar’s Hub. A few days later, Charles, one of our ADR Directors, shot that down at A-Kon.

What happened with either of those, I don’t know, and if I did, I probably wouldn’t be allowed to say. ^_^;

Where we stand now, I have no idea. I, -personally-, would like to see Noir on AS in the future. No blood (regardless of an outbreak of mass storm trooper syndrome), almost no profanity, and the visuals and music rank up there with Bebop IMO (Thus minimal editing required, save for Chloe and Kirika during the clensing ritual)... but again, that's my opinion (I can see some of you aren't as fond of the show as I am), and that’s for CN and ADV to decide, not ADV’s lowly Website Producer. ^_^

Sorry I wasn’t of much help there, but that’s about all I know on the subject.

Matt Hazuda

08-04-2002, 12:07 AM

Great to see you outside of the Toonami board CC-Sama. Thank you for trying to clear up this matter as much as you possibly could. I knew you were just a webmaster, but I figured it was worth it to see if you had any info not currently know. Any chance maybe that you could point David Williams(aka DLW over at Anime on DVD) our way? He seems to like to listen to the fans, and I'm sure he'd like to hear what we have to say, and given TZ's lack of company reps(besides the great CC-sama that is :D )it would be cool to have him visit every now and then. Curse you AoD for taking all the industry reps and not sharing! :p

VinceA

08-04-2002, 05:12 AM

Considering that ADV doesn't have anything on CN right now I don't think DLW would fly by here. About the only rep that posts on AOD that might come by here would be Charles from Bandai. I was thinking of posting a thread on AOD asking about CN/AS and ADV. Might do that in a few minutes... Let's see what happens.

StrangerAtaru

08-04-2002, 10:46 AM

For some strange reason, I keep thinking that a wild card is not mentioned involving the ADV wars: Encore's Action. They once had a deal with ADV and showed Blue Seed on their networks. (which I have yet to see, BTW) Sure it is still premium, but I think that would have a better chance to airing anything of theirs than either TNN or CN from how it sounds. (But then, lately I haven't noticed anything of theirs premiering on the net, even though I know [but yet to see] they have shown Akira, 3X3 Eyes and the X movie)

VinceA

08-04-2002, 12:08 PM

Encore Action also showed BGC2040. ADV & Encore do seem to have some sort of deal but I wonder if it's exclusive (but you're right that a premium channel does allow for unediting showings)

CC-sama

08-04-2002, 09:07 PM

Yes, ADV and Encore Action have a great relationship with one another. In the past, they've shown Gunsmith Cats, Blue Seed, Queen Emeraldas, Tekken: The Movie, Bubblegum Crisis: Tokyo 2040, Sol Bianca, Blood Reign, and Sonic... and probably a few others I can't recall. :cool:

Spike Mcdougal

08-04-2002, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by CC-sama
Yes, ADV and Encore Action have a great relationship with one another. In the past, they've shown Gunsmith Cats, Blue Seed, Queen Emeraldas, Tekken: The Movie, Bubblegum Crisis: Tokyo 2040, Sol Bianca, Blood Reign, and Sonic... and probably a few others I can't recall. :cool:

They've aired Sonic............................................

Dang

Galaxia

08-04-2002, 10:05 PM

Jeff Harris

08-05-2002, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by StrangerAtaru
For some strange reason, I keep thinking that a wild card is not mentioned involving the ADV wars: Encore's Action. They once had a deal with ADV and showed Blue Seed on their networks. (which I have yet to see, BTW) Sure it is still premium, but I think that would have a better chance to airing anything of theirs than either TNN or CN from how it sounds. (But then, lately I haven't noticed anything of theirs premiering on the net, even though I know [but yet to see] they have shown Akira, 3X3 Eyes and the X movie)
I saw X on Encore Action the other night. I wish they had the film in letterbox SO bad. Too many characters were clipped out of the frame, and the whole picture was just too fuzzy. Damn Manga!

I think that TNN's animation block next year is destined to be the next big thing, particularly because of the addition of new episodes of Ren and Stimpy by John Krisfalusci. The animation won't be as limited at the WS originals, that's for sure, and with Viacom preparing to spend big bucks on this project, I could imagine they would want to go all out on this. And with Cartoon Network's constant reliance on the Anime Troika (the unified team of Bandai, Pioneer, and Viz), I could imagine that Viacom would at least attempt to contact a company like ADV (btw, that rumor about ADV not wanting edited anime is complete bunk) for anime programming for their block in the future. Heck, the lineup's not even in stone yet, nor is their a night for the lineup (some people think that they're going to put it on Sundays, but it'll most likely be seen on Fridays in the late-primetime hours (from 10 PM to Midnight). I doubt something like Evangelion would ever air on American television, but you could bet something like Gasaraki, Nadesico, Orphen, or Excel Saga would be seen somewhere, outside of Action Channel, in the future.

It probably won't be on the Troika-hypnotized Cartoon Network, that's for sure.

Jude Santos

08-05-2002, 02:04 PM

the whole "ADV wont edit" thing originated in Fanime Con when DLW was asked when he wanted adv aime in CN, and he said "i'd rather not", followed by he wanted their anime on tv "uncut".

hypocrites. this is the same people that changed the original script for the dub (for the dvd release), overlayed their anime (or used to, but they still did) AND changed the original title (ahem::: Samurai X::: ), and they have the nerve to say that they want their anime on tv "uncut"??? complete hypocrites.

stanteau

08-05-2002, 03:08 PM

ADV is the WWF of anime,that's for sure.

But another advantage is TNN and the Viacom giant have advertisors set in stone so don't have to worry about TVMA uncut showings of stuff.

Xevo

08-05-2002, 03:25 PM

I think far too many people underestimate the cost of liscensing an anime series. ADV rarely acquires a property unless they think it will make MASSIVE amounts of money on video, and honestly they don't stand to gain much from a TV airing of most of their shows -- either it's too limited to appeal to a very broad audience, or its audience is already so enormous that few new fans would be gained from a TV airing.

Just consider that, for Eva to air in the US on a nation-wide scale, the cost per episode BEFORE any editing would be astronomical. If ADV doesn't charge a huge price for their episodes, then they're screwing themselves since a TV airing won't improve their video sales all that much to begin with for their hugely popular shows.

Jude Santos

08-05-2002, 06:31 PM

ADV is the WWF of anime,that's for sure.

i dont get...do you mind if you explain?

anyway, i dont like ADV for reasons outside of not having their anime on TV, so all i can say is...ADV are hypocrites!

Beat

08-05-2002, 07:21 PM

I think that they would never air EVA anywhere except DVD and video. It's too valuable.

Sheamon

08-05-2002, 07:25 PM

Just consider that, for Eva to air in the US on a nation-wide scale, the cost per episode BEFORE any editing would be astronomical. If ADV doesn't charge a huge price for their episodes, then they're screwing themselves since a TV airing won't improve their video sales all that much to begin with for their hugely popular shows.

Which is, as I've been saying for a long time now, the only big reason why we will in all odds never see Eva on Cartoon Network. The religious stuff is bull, considering more offensive stuff has already aired on CN. The ADV wanting it uncut is bull, as is the Gainax thing, which we discussed a while back. Its all about money, as simple as that. Outside of a scant few other titles (DBZ, Gundam, Pokemon, etc...) Eva's the most high profile anime there is. No chance in hell ADV's giving CN a discount.

I would like to know what they charged to air it in Australia though... :rolleyes:

stanteau

08-05-2002, 11:19 PM

Then how did CN afford to air it in Austrailia where ratings aren't nearly as high as in the US?Not to mention all the lowly populated European countries or the PBS station in San Diego?

And what I mean is the WWF in the wrestling world owns it all.They will never let another company rise to the same level as them.WWF snatches up all the top talent.ADV is the same.They are conglomerates completely.Except for Sunrise stuff they sweep up all the highly talked about animes before most companies ever have a chance.

JDuncan

08-05-2002, 11:29 PM

I wouldn't put too much faith in new Ren and Stimpy, just because of John K's recent work. Chances are it'll be like Boo Boo Runs Wild X 24.

outcastja

08-05-2002, 11:44 PM

I remember reading that Eva and Serial Experiments Lain was shown at some local channel around the San Jose area, in Japanese and uncut.

Jude Santos

08-06-2002, 01:43 AM

I would like to know what they charged to air it in Australia though...

Then how did CN afford to air it in Austrailia where ratings aren't nearly as high as in the US?Not to mention all the lowly populated European countries or the PBS station in San Diego?

i dont know if this is right...but it think the exchange rate is high, when i went to Australia with the money i have (US $), literally, everything was half off. if you guys didnt understand what i said...all im saying is, its mich cheaper in Aus, but im not sure about the price of Eva on tv.

and o yeah, since its on a different region (R4), some other company licensed Eva from ADV, and that company is Madman, and i would assume that they were responsible for putting Eva on CN, not adv

Xevo

08-06-2002, 06:24 AM

ADV had nothing to do with Eva being shown in Australia. The dummies who owned the video rights there were stupid enough to air it, although in Australia it probably did ok because some people there might've seen it on TV and went and bought the video. I just don't see a US TV run of Eva as doing any good for ADV without $500,000+ liscensing per episode.

stanteau

08-06-2002, 09:38 AM

Just look at the Bebop DVD sales.It can't be denied that AS helped the DVD sales.Plus with the EVA movies coming out they could use some nice advertising (though they pretty much sel themselves).

zimbach

08-06-2002, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by outcastja
I remember reading that Eva and Serial Experiments Lain was shown at some local channel around the San Jose area, in Japanese and uncut. Indeed they were, on KTEH, San Jose's PBS station. To my knowledge, no other PBS station has shown anime, not even in San Diego (unless stanteau presents evidence to the contrary). KTEH has also shown Robotech, Urusei Yatsura, Key- the Metal Idol, Please Save My Earth, Sakura Wars, Ruin Explorers, Dirty Pair Flash, and a few episodes of Bubblegum Crisis, Ranma 1/2, City Hunter and Maison Ikkoku.
Currently showing is All Purpose Cultural Cat Girl Nuku Nuku.

Xevo

08-06-2002, 10:49 PM

Originally posted by stanteau
Just look at the Bebop DVD sales.It can't be denied that AS helped the DVD sales.Plus with the EVA movies coming out they could use some nice advertising (though they pretty much sel themselves).

The Bebop DVDs came out just as the fansubs had been released in full -- in other words, NO time was wasted from when the subtitled versions had been seen by all the hardcore Otaku to when we got our Region 1 perfectly dubbed DVD releases. Now, that means that it didn't have a lot of time to gather mainstream knowledge of the show -- hence it being aired on AS barely a year after the first volume came out on DVD, it was exceptionally good timing on Bandai's part for all of it. ADV, on the other hand, is about 5 years late on catching the big Eva wave.

The_DumpsterKeeper

08-15-2002, 01:26 AM

-this is The_DumpsterKeeper's brother here, anime fan...can't register here for some reason-

As far as ADV stuff goes, I love Excel Saga. I think it would work on Adult Swim Comedy, despite "all anime goes on the Saturday block". Anime can be funny, it's not just fanservice and great philiosophical debates and mechs.

I like Golden Boy as well...don't think that would hit television...nude girl getting off on motorcycle, anyone?

I just got into Evangelion, based on my friend trying to beat it into my head. Pretty good series, although I spoiled it for myself when I rented the last DVD before ever watching the first two, about a month and a half later. I can't stand Shinji, and I think Rei is the typical withdrawn, dark anime girl. But please, more Misato and Asuka. :D I can see how Eva would cost boatloads of money to get on TV, before the editing costs even. Still, it would be like, THE anime acquisition. I don't think it would happen on CN, or TNN for that matter.

Now I'm gonna shift topics a little bit, about two more animes...one was brought up in another thread, the other I think would be great on Adult Swim.

GTO. Yes, it's David Lucas and Wendee Lee again, but this is a great series. There shouldn't be TOO much editing on it, probably just a few curse words. How this would work with Tokyopop, who I believe also got the licence from the original company, I don't know. It's a funny show and would fit on the Comedy block.

Love Hina was brought up in another topic. A lot of people on some of the message boards I go to love this show, a few of them hate it. I took the plunge, bought it, and got hooked. I like the plot, I think it's funny, and of course, Naru and Mutsune...would this fit on Adult Swim? I don't see it either. I don't know if CN's programming standards have changed since 2001, and even if there is no nudity in the show, they would edit certain parts. That would take away from the show - why does Keitarou get beat up all the time? You wouldn't see him "accidentally" grabbing Naru. I see this series as another Tenchi Muyo (which also got my attention thanks to ASA - I wish this would come back), only Keitarou actually wants to get with girls.

CN really opened me up to anime. I liked a few series here and there, but the first time I saw Bebop, WOW. It's opened my eyes to a lot of great series out there...even if it burns a hole in my wallet, I'm glad that anime has some sort of outlet.

I could go into the whole Sci-Fi/anime thing, but no....

And I'm anxiously awaiting the release of the Excel Saga 2 DVD...oh yes...

stanteau

08-15-2002, 08:23 AM

Goldenboy features no nudity except a 3 second topless girl in episode 4,WAY too much jiggle/coarse language though.

And if USA can show a guy grabbing a girls breast,CN can.HEll,when ABC rubs "Big" they show it.

GTO will never air,anywhere.I know I sound like a hypocrite but a show about a teacher trying to sleep with students will NEVER air on US television.

And Excel Saga has just a small chance of airing.

Nexus810

08-15-2002, 09:17 AM

GTO will never air,anywhere.I know I sound like a hypocrite but a show about a teacher trying to sleep with students will NEVER air on US television.

Very True, especially with all the scandals that have surfaced in the last few years.

And if USA can show a guy grabbing a girls breast,CN can.HEll,when ABC rubs "Big" they show it.

What makes CN different is they are a Network geared towards children. Children are drawn to cartoons, they are not drawn the Dramas of NBC,ABC,USA,FX, TNT whatever. That is where the problem comes up. Sure CN can play similar stuff to those networks because they do not have their own Federal regulations (I believe), but one thinks that the Execs at AOL TW/Turner Media and such believe that they cant go that far...yet, mainly because they can't win legal battles saying "The TV program was on late at night, your child should have been in bed"

and so on.

The_DumpsterKeeper

08-15-2002, 11:07 AM

Originally posted by stanteau
GTO will never air,anywhere.I know I sound like a hypocrite but a show about a teacher trying to sleep with students will NEVER air on US television.

That storyline is pretty much dead, hell I don't think it surfaces again before the end of the 1st DVD. I don't know if you've seen them all or not - I have the first three DVDs from Tokyopop, and he's just trying to get with Fuyutsuki. He mentioned sleeping with the girls, etc, in the first episode and before he started. I don't think its a major issue.

Nexus810

08-15-2002, 11:10 AM

Hmm well if thats the case maybe they can do some editing or redubing of that part. Im all in favor in getting rid of unfavorable material in an episode or so, in order than an entire series can come to TV. That way i dont have to pay to see hahah.. ANIME is expensive!

Jude Santos

08-15-2002, 11:58 AM

GTO will never be on CN, or cable TV even. its becuase in america, teachers just doesnt meddle in the student's affairs, its a culture thing. maybe it can air on Action, but maybe even that, they might have to put a disclaimer explaining the culture

Nexus810

08-15-2002, 12:23 PM

its becuase in america, teachers just doesnt meddle in the student's affairs, its a culture thing

I would tend to disagree I go to an all boys Private highschool and the students and the teachers have great relationships. Some students go out to lunch or to dinner with teachers or have done other things with them etc. With over 50 faculty members and 1000 students certain teachers and such build great relationships, especially after graduation. I dont know maybe my school is different we have a very strong alumni association for a highschool. Christian Brothers Academy[CBA] (the name of the school) has more of a college atmosphere than your regular everyday highschool, maybe thats why?

But Im sure Seaton Hall Prep which is up north Jersey and one of CBAs great basketball competitors is probably the same.

stanteau

08-15-2002, 12:55 PM

Then the anime is toned down.I've only read the manga and every so often there's something involving the other teachers,it's not blatant but it's there.I guess the anime is toned down.

And every US show about school has teachers doing stuff for students.On Boston Public a teacher gave a girl like $4,000.

Nexus810

08-15-2002, 01:12 PM

This is true. If anythign America embraces strong friendships between students and faculty.

Leaping Larry Jojo

08-15-2002, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by stanteau
Then the anime is toned down.I've only read the manga and every so often there's something involving the other teachers,it's not blatant but it's there.I guess the anime is toned down.

And every US show about school has teachers doing stuff for students.On Boston Public a teacher gave a girl like $4,000.

Boston Public is a really hokey show. It may have pretensions of "realism" but it takes it so far it's almost bad comedy.

GTO the anime does have many stories involving the other teachers. It is "toned" down in the extremity of the sex and masochism, but it's still pretty hot stuff for American TV.

I think GTO goes in a different direction from the manga a little bit, which is good, since anime that slavishly adheres to manga is quite frankly, pointless. If you want an anime to be like a manga, then read the manga.

Leaping Larry Jojo

08-15-2002, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by The_DumpsterKeeper

That storyline is pretty much dead, hell I don't think it surfaces again before the end of the 1st DVD. I don't know if you've seen them all or not - I have the first three DVDs from Tokyopop, and he's just trying to get with Fuyutsuki. He mentioned sleeping with the girls, etc, in the first episode and before he started. I don't think its a major issue.

It doesn't. Onizuka is a pervert still, and many a high school girl does STILL turn his head (such as F cup girl), but he shows restraint. I still don't think his leering at girls will fly with the U.S., but what are you gonna do. And yes, this is the anime I'm talking about.

BTW Stanteau--he originally wanted to marry a 17 or 18 year old, but he had to transfer to teach a younger class, which pretty much killed his goal. This is the same in the anime and manga, and he doesn't sleep with any of the girls, though he does still leer at some of the more "mature" ones.

GTO is popular for many things, and if they made Onizuka a full out pedo, it would have assuredly killed the show and manga. He's popular because while he still LOOKS at them, he tends to restrain himself and get to know his students more as people than objects, both the males and the females. That is what the show and manga is about. If all you're reading is him trying to sleep with 14 year old girls, I'm afraid that is a misplaced impression.

stanteau

08-15-2002, 02:07 PM

I never said he was sleeping with students,I said there we're still implications that other teachers have that goal and the afformentioned leering.

Leaping Larry Jojo

08-15-2002, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by stanteau
I never said he was sleeping with students,I said there we're still implications that other teachers have that goal and the afformentioned leering.

Oh definitely. They might have to cut out several episodes, such as the gym teacher who demands his female gym students work out in practical swimsuits.

There's also a non-student storyline in the anime about the math teacher who's stalking Miss Fuyutsuki. On the side, the math teacher is also something close to a sex slave to one of the younger students he tutors. (She treats him like a dog and wants him to lick her feet when she's angry)

I can't see the F-Cup girl episode flying over here either.

Jude Santos

08-15-2002, 04:25 PM

I would tend to disagree I go to an all boys Private highschool and the students and the teachers have great relationships.

key word there is private. majority of us go to public schools

ShinjiFanGirl

08-15-2002, 05:48 PM

No. Iya. No. GTO will NEVER air. Any hints of pedophilia will pretty much kill any anime. -.-; I mean, and really, it won't really help anime fans over come the stereotype that all anime is either for kids or it's porn.

I would like to see Excel Saga airing, and Slayers, which would have a good chance, (It's already airing on the International Channel). The only real thing I have with these titles being aired is that after they play people will IM with things like, "Do u lke slyers???//" :(

Sigh. Oh well. Get the word out.

Tim Vee

08-15-2002, 06:43 PM

Originally posted by ShinjiFanGirl
No. Iya. No. GTO will NEVER air. Any hints of pedophilia will pretty much kill any anime. -.-; I mean, and really, it won't really help anime fans over come the stereotype that all anime is either for kids or it's porn.

I would like to see Excel Saga airing, and Slayers, which would have a good chance, (It's already airing on the International Channel). The only real thing I have with these titles being aired is that after they play people will IM with things like, "Do u lke slyers???//" :(

Sigh. Oh well. Get the word out.

As much as I love ES, it will never air on American television, thanks to the last episode in the series, which contains:

Hardcore Girl-on-girl with Hyatt & Excel & pedophilia/pubic hair jokes

And the same goes for its sequel Puni Puni Poemi, which contains, at one point:

underage girl-on-girl (albeit off-screen)

Slayers was announced as coming to American television twice, once on Sci-Fi Channel, once on Fox Kids(!), but those plans ended up badly for one reason or another.

Leaping Larry Jojo

08-15-2002, 09:35 PM

It is kinda too bad about GTO, though. It is truly one of the funniest anime out there, IMO. I don't laugh at a lot of anime, but Onizuka as a comedy character almost ranks up there with Homer Simpson. No joke.

ohmrbill

08-15-2002, 09:56 PM

As much as I love ES, it will never air on American television, thanks to the last episode in the series, which contains:

Hardcore Girl-on-girl with Hyatt & Excel & pedophilia/pubic hair jokes

They could just take that episode out, like they did with the Japanese airing. I doubt it would air, anyway.

And the same goes for its sequel Puni Puni Poemi, which contains, at one point:

underage girl-on-girl (albeit off-screen)

Oh, PPP's problems extend far beyond just THAT. Particularly, the entire finale. The hentai jokes would ever get past censors.

Slayers was announced as coming to American television twice, once on Sci-Fi Channel, once on Fox Kids(!), but those plans ended up badly for one reason or another.

As of right now Slayers is in the hands of Disney, and it seems they still plan to air it on ABC Family.

Jimmy Kustes

08-15-2002, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by MDawg957
Great to see you outside of the Toonami board CC-Sama. Thank you for trying to clear up this matter as much as you possibly could. I knew you were just a webmaster, but I figured it was worth it to see if you had any info not currently know. Any chance maybe that you could point David Williams(aka DLW over at Anime on DVD) our way? He seems to like to listen to the fans, and I'm sure he'd like to hear what we have to say, and given TZ's lack of company reps(besides the great CC-sama that is :D )it would be cool to have him visit every now and then. Curse you AoD for taking all the industry reps and not sharing! :p

I wouldn't say that. I never even talked to Funimation, and they e-mailed me asking where to get Yu Yu ratings info. I reported some Adult Swim ratings and they wanted to use the info as examples of how well the show was doing to CN.