Adult Swim Editing Petition [Archive]

Chrono1995

07-07-2002, 08:28 PM

Go here to SIGN IT (http://www.petitiononline.com/AS902/petition.html)

The whole reason Cartoon Network has had to edit their shows is because of the BS&P. Or, at least, that's what I learned after browsing petitiononline.com out of sheer boredom. I did a little research, and there's also an article about it on animetourist.com. You can go here to read it:

THE REAL REASON BEHIND EDITING ON CN (http://anime-tourist.com/article.php?sid=169)

Please spread the word about this thing. It's a well-known fact these things work.

Killtacular

07-07-2002, 08:31 PM

I understand what you're trying to do, but Cartoon Network is not allowed to rewrite their list of S&P, or risk losing advertisers, which would be deadly at this time, considering PPG at the box office.

stanteau

07-07-2002, 08:39 PM

so PPG bombed?

Either way I think the editing done is top notch and with the recent addition of the unedited middle finher is great for the current programming.Unless you can't die without animated boobs I think it's a nice list of standards that we can live by and the older the block gets the more it evolves.in 2 years we'll be seeing TVMA shows every week :)

Spike Mcdougal

07-07-2002, 08:43 PM

dbfchristopher

07-07-2002, 08:59 PM

I kind of like the fact that the AS shows are for adults, but aren't vulgar like south park. I can actually watch a show like Home Movies or Sealab 2021 with my mom, and that is rare!

Tim Vee

07-07-2002, 09:48 PM

The trick with B.S. & P is to revise it a small bit somewhat frequently and, over time, it will change enough to allow more relaxed editing, which is easier than getting rid of it completely.

KingKoopa

07-07-2002, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by Tim Vee
The trick with B.S. & P is to revise it a small bit somewhat frequently and, over time, it will change enough to allow more relaxed editing, which is easier than getting rid of it completely. grr...

THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO REVISE THEIR STANDARDS AND PRACTICES ONE BIT! NOT AT ALL! HOW MANY TIMES MUST IT BE SAID?

VashTheStampede

07-07-2002, 10:07 PM

When will people learn petitions are worthless, especially online petitions. I really don't think they are doing that bad of a job anyway.

DiNovi

07-07-2002, 10:14 PM

Yes, all petitions are pointless, but it never hurts to sign this one (http://www.petitiononline.com/papo/petition.html)

^^;;

ohmrbill

07-07-2002, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by KingKoopa
grr... THEY ARE NOT ABLE TO REVISE THEIR STANDARDS AND PRACTICES ONE BIT! NOT AT ALL! HOW MANY TIMES MUST IT BE SAID?

If that was true then they would never have been able to get away with what they currently do on AS.

Steph

07-07-2002, 11:06 PM

I'm just speaking for myself...
I personally get upset when they edit something that I don't find offensive or completely screw up the words or whatever.
Nonetheless, I live in an area where I have an extremely hard time finding anything that is closely related to anime so I am completely thankful that CN is even trying to show us these shows.
Usually I'm more in to the manga but because CN started showing Cowboy Bebop, Yu Yu Hakusho, Pilot Candidate, Outlaw Star, etc. I've become really in to anime.
To those of you who disagree or get angry at CN then that's understandable. However, I get angry when people just totally bash and whine and constantly complain about what CN does!
To those people here's a newsflash... "NO ONE IS MAKING YOU WATCH IT!"

Steph ~^_^~

dbfchristopher

07-07-2002, 11:11 PM

AMEN!!! I never really get to watch anime unless it is on CN. The most I saw before it was Princess Mononoke and Akira.

stanteau

07-07-2002, 11:32 PM

ever heard of an invention known as the internet?I've never use dit myself but I hear you cna buy stuff through it.

KingKoopa

07-07-2002, 11:41 PM

Originally posted by ohmrbill

If that was true then they would never have been able to get away with what they currently do on AS. There were some loopholes, because they never even thought they would play anything over TV-G, but they've used them to the fullest extent they can. They can't get away with any more than they already have.

BlueAngelGal

07-08-2002, 12:07 AM

Please spread the word about this thing. It's a well-known fact these things work. [/B]

For the record, that's completely untrue -- in fact, online petitions have pretty much no effect. Anyone could make an online petition and sign it hundreds of times using different names and e-mail addresses -- they're too easy to fake. Besides, they require too little effort -- taking a few seconds to type in your name and hit enter doesn't show them that you're committed enough to put in any real effort.
Letter writing, on the other hand, actually writing on paper and putting it in the mail, can be quite effective...even if they never open a letter, the volume of mail and the time required to put your thoughts on paper says a lot about how many people care how much about a given issue.

jeffrey 228

07-08-2002, 12:09 AM

Well I have info from one of my anime books Called "Anime Essentals" that also may have a reasoning why anime is also edited or being cut alot:

American television still cuts anime for various reasons. Sometimes cuts are made to avoid cultural confusion, but sometimes they are made because the U.S. producers think the show is just too slow. Most of the first episode of the Vision of Escaflowne was cut and spliced to speed up the action, losing much of the character development in the process. An episode of Sailor Moon involving Tarot cards was not aired in the U.S. at all.

And about saying about Anime being cut out and stuff, they have a reason to do that because of the content on the sence and that it will not be accepted because of the BS&P and/or the FCC.

So I think there little seceret is about to be revealed sort to speeck. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Oh on another note as well, the FCC also has more rights to Cartoon Network then BS&P, so if you see like a middle finger cut out or the nude spots edited, that is the FCC demanding that.

livingfruitvirus

07-08-2002, 12:18 AM

Originally posted by Chrono1995
Go here to SIGN IT (http://www.petitiononline.com/AS902/petition.html)

The whole reason Cartoon Network has had to edit their shows is because of the BS&P. Or, at least, that's what I learned after browsing petitiononline.com out of sheer boredom. I did a little research, and there's also an article about it on animetourist.com. You can go here to read it:

THE REAL REASON BEHIND EDITING ON CN (http://anime-tourist.com/article.php?sid=169)

Please spread the word about this thing. It's a well-known fact these things work.

I don't remember giving Anime Tourist permission to post my post from RAAM about when i visited CN and Williams Street.

Anyway, yes BS&P is responsible for what saying what can and can't air. However, by finalizing these guidelines, they prevent people from suing the network against these guidelines. I didn't learn that til after I posted that on RAAM. BS&P standards can be changed actually, but it's not as easy as erasing something off paper and writing something new. Everyone has to agree, advertisers must agree (that part usually happens), etc. etc. Thing is Cartoon Network is labeled by Turner Entertainment Networks as a "childrens network" and so the youth audience is always taken into consideration. However Mission Hill is really pushing that boundary, so things may change within the next couple years. We never know.

Oh on another note as well, the FCC also has more rights to Cartoon Network then BS&P, so if you see like a middle finger cut out or the nude spots edited, that is the FCC demanding that.

FCC has no control over cable television.

Rei

07-08-2002, 12:44 AM

Yes, all petitions are pointless, but it never hurts to sign this one

That is the best petition I've ever seen.

jeffrey 228

07-08-2002, 12:56 AM

FCC has no control over cable television.

Well, Look at DBZ for example they were majorly Edited not because of the BS&P but also the FCC wich I do have another Artical from the "Wizard's Anime Invasion Magazine" under the subject "the Cutting room floor" :

More then just "objectionable Material" has been lost. The initial 35 episodes of DBZ were whittled down to 26 in order to complete the first sotory arc within the time frame of a standard Television season. most of the heavy editing of this type took place during sybdication; happily, when DBZ hit Cartoon Network the Episodes were Presented more or less in their entirety.

And of coruse the FCC did there work to keep it at TV-Y7 ratings wich is also the reasons for the cuts and the Edits.

Skynet2029

07-08-2002, 01:03 AM

Heres a solution to the all the freakin edits problem:

Create a new channel of Adult Swim stuff (Cartoon network already has boomerang it can probably aford another) and that way More adult swim , less editing and plenty of anime coolness. Problem is though that theyd probably put this on digital cable/satalite (sorry basic cable subscribers)

John Miles

07-08-2002, 01:08 AM

DBZ was originally edited for syndicated broadcast, which was why they had to keep the FCC happy.

G1Ravage

07-08-2002, 02:09 AM

DBZ was originally edited to keep Saban happy. :yawn:

John Miles

07-08-2002, 02:12 AM

That, too.

I Like Candy

07-08-2002, 03:19 AM

What more do you want out of Adult Swim?!?!!? Nudity?!? i mean its not like theres no swearing at all....... watch an episode of ATHF for cryin out loud. in Balloonenstein the say countless swear words Meatwad calls Shake a B****. and they say damnit every 5 seconds. so what more do you want the only word they cant say is F***.

stanteau

07-08-2002, 10:37 AM

Cable TV has no guidlines.TNN could show hardcore porn at 3 PM if they wanted,the reason they don't is because of advertisers.When a show is raunchy it's very likely that advertisers will drop out form that show to avoid bad publicity.An example is the Shield.Many advertisers have dropped from that show because of it's raunchy as hell content.

Some networks don't care and have secured a line of advertisers who don't as well.Take Comedy Central for instance.They have a secured line of advertisers who will stay with the network.Bob and Margeret,South Park,and Crank Yankers have all featured animated breasts (and in Crank Yankers case full frontal nudity) and as made evident by both South Park and the Shield language isn't a barrier either as South Park prominintly featured the S word and the Shield has it at least 6 times in each episode.The F word is still one of those things that could drive away sponsors but FX is aparently getting ready to make the jump with season 2 of the Shield.On cable you can do whatever you want but if you can't make money why bother.

Also,the TV ratings are givin by the network,not the FCC.When Fox aired American Pie it most definately should've been TVMA but that'd scare off parents.Nowadays the FCC has little to do with what can be broadcast and more with copyright stuff.

livingfruitvirus

07-08-2002, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by stanteau
Cable TV has no guidlines.TNN could show hardcore porn at 3 PM if they wanted,the reason they don't is because of advertisers.When a show is raunchy it's very likely that advertisers will drop out form that show to avoid bad publicity.An example is the Shield.Many advertisers have dropped from that show because of it's raunchy as hell content.

Really? Last I heard advertisers for The Shield were dropping, but many were filling their places almost selling out the timeslot.

JustJack

07-08-2002, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by Skynet2029
Heres a solution to the all the freakin edits problem:

Create a new channel of Adult Swim stuff (Cartoon network already has boomerang it can probably aford another) and that way More adult swim , less editing and plenty of anime coolness. Problem is though that theyd probably put this on digital cable/satalite (sorry basic cable subscribers)

*ahem* First off, Boomerang isn't exactly a really succesful channel...really. It's doing well, just not great. As for affording another channel...right now with the PowerPuff Girls movie bringing in only 6 million at the box office, thus declaring it one of the biggest box-office hyped up BOMBs of all time(sorry...I liked it, though), Cartoon Network is probably is, not only a scarred ego, but they're a few bucks short.
But, it would be nice if they made a more grown up cartoon channel. Featuring new uncut/less cut anime(taking out the 'f' word and whatnot is understandable), and funny animated sitcom's and stuff. Bumping Harvey Birdman into a full half hour show! Woo! That'd be nice...

John Miles

07-08-2002, 03:27 PM

An all-anime or all-adult channel is just wishful thinking. The only reason CN could afford to launch Boomerang was because they already had all the material they needed to launch it. Getting enough money to fill another whole network with material is something CN won't be able to do for a long time. I don't think there's enough of a market for it, anyway.

Skynet2029

07-08-2002, 03:50 PM

i wasnt thinking now but maybe in a couple years they would have enough for it or even just do a combo deal like half the day its toonami stuff the other its adult swim. (see the relationship between nogin and the-n) for example. Just an idea i thought of after i got digital cable :)

stanteau

07-08-2002, 03:59 PM

Yeah the slots are being filled but advertisers are dropping none-the-less

Steph

07-08-2002, 04:07 PM

Hmm... an all anime channel. Sounds like something from a dream. A nice, warm dream... ::Huge stupid smile on face::

You know, where I live anime became a HUGE thing about a year or two ago. Everywhere was anime merchandise (Beside Pokemon and DBZ) and it was like heaven because you could walk down to the nearest store and find something great to add to your collection. Little girls where carrying around anime bookbags, highschool girls carried anime purses, and there were anime cards and movies up the yin yang.
Now the hype has died and its nearly impossible to find anything anime besides Pokemon or DBZ.
Has this happened to anyone else's communities?

STePHaNie ~^_^~

G1Ravage

07-08-2002, 04:37 PM

The only time I watch Boomerang is when I'm extremely bored and there's nothing else on TV. Which is usually 2:00 in the morning.

zimbach

07-08-2002, 05:20 PM

Originally posted by Steph
Hmm... an all anime channel. Sounds like something from a dream. A nice, warm dream... ::Huge stupid smile on face::

You know, where I live anime became a HUGE thing about a year or two ago. Everywhere was anime merchandise (Beside Pokemon and DBZ) and it was like heaven because you could walk down to the nearest store and find something great to add to your collection. Little girls where carrying around anime bookbags, highschool girls carried anime purses, and there were anime cards and movies up the yin yang.
Now the hype has died and its nearly impossible to find anything anime besides Pokemon or DBZ.
Has this happened to anyone else's communities?

STePHaNie ~^_^~ It shows no signs of tapering off here; in fact it is getting bigger.
We have a diverse polyethnic population here. We are constantly re-introduced to world pop-culture by immigrants and their families. The Japanese and other Asians bring the best and newest supplies of anime related products to their shops here, making them available to everyone.

JetMaster5

07-08-2002, 06:38 PM

Originally posted by Steph
Hmm... an all anime channel. Sounds like something from a dream. A nice, warm dream... ::Huge stupid smile on face::

You know, where I live anime became a HUGE thing about a year or two ago. Everywhere was anime merchandise (Beside Pokemon and DBZ) and it was like heaven because you could walk down to the nearest store and find something great to add to your collection. Little girls where carrying around anime bookbags, highschool girls carried anime purses, and there were anime cards and movies up the yin yang.
Now the hype has died and its nearly impossible to find anything anime besides Pokemon or DBZ.
Has this happened to anyone else's communities?

STePHaNie ~^_^~

I went to Chinatown the other day, and what I see makes you think that anime never lets down over there. You have stores and stores that sells DBZ and Sailor Moon posters, tons of anime bootlegs, anime CDs, yugioh and pokemon cards that are both english and japanese (as well as real and fakes), and a lot of other merchandises. And if you could get by it's smell, the food, many foreign language, and browse around enough, you can get imported gundam models and games and stuff like that. And that's basically why I shop there most of the time. So from where I went to, it never lets down nor does it show signs of letting down.

By the way, where do you live? Maine, Ohio, Las Vegas? I don't think they have much anime over there.

Steph

07-16-2002, 03:58 PM

::Big tears welling up in eyes::
Those places sound so wonderful...
But sadly where I live people are to busy gambling to notice anything else.
I live in Southern Mississippi, I'm only about an hour away from New Orleans.
I'd tell you more but then the purple monkeys would find me...
~^_1~

Mad Scientist

07-16-2002, 06:14 PM

Down with the stupid BS&P! Cartoon Network is for all ages, not just children! The BS&P thinks that way because they can't get the connections between cartoons and kids (only kids) out of their heads.

Beat

07-16-2002, 06:27 PM

Look, I'm going to say this again. The BS&P is here to stay. Nudity will NEVER appear on Adult Swim. You can just forget excessive violence and cursing too.

zimbach

07-16-2002, 06:39 PM

Originally posted by Mad Scientist
Down with the stupid BS&P! Cartoon Network is for all ages, not just children! The BS&P thinks that way because they can't get the connections between cartoons and kids (only kids) out of their heads.
What a strange thing to say. BS&P (Broadcast Standards and Practices) is a document that every broadcaster establishes independantly and enforces internally. There is no quasi-governmental "Board" of standards and practices, as many seem to beleive there is, but they do exist at the corporate level. The FCC and (similar entities in other countries) does set very broad rules for what type of content is allowed under certain conditions, but they are not nearly so specific as BS&Ps are.

A BS&P, among other things, is a declaration, or mission statement, that identifies the type of programming a channel will show, which gives advertisers and cable operators some idea of whether the channel is appropriate for their audience. BS&P also lists voluntary rules for the content of a station's programming, and programs that violate those rules would have to be edited, even if they had been shown unedited on another broadcast channel. (This part is usually kept secret by each channel, mostly so they can't be held accountable if they should accidentally violate their own rules).

Cartoon Network sells itself to cable systems and advertisers as a provider of childrens' and family friendly programming. (This was decided long before Adult Swim was invented). That means that all of their programming has to be appropriate for family viewing, or at least issue strong warnings before programs that might not be.

Xevo

07-16-2002, 06:52 PM

Just deal with the fact than CN is and always will be a kid's network. The fact that we have these two blocks is a testament to Williams Street's love for animation and fans of animation. I hope one day they get enough AS programming to start a 3rd CN channel (the 2nd being Boomerang, of course) which could actually be an adult-oriented animation network.

For that to happen, though, we'd need to see the ratings at least double... tell all your friends to watch!

And go hijack some Nielsen families too... just kidding!