Cartoon Network, what were you thinking?!

[don Jaime]

I picked up the latest Powerpuff Girls comic book and what do I see?

What do you think you're doing?
Instead of Courage the Cowardly Dog, you're watching the same thing you did as a little kid?
Scary.

What do you think you're doing?
Instead of Dexter's Laboratory, you're watching the same thing you did as a little kid?
That's stupid.

What do you think you're doing?
Instead of Johnny Bravo, you're watching the same thing you did as a little kid?
Not pretty.

Now, there's a thought. Drum up an audience for your new shows by trashing old ones. Like Bugs Bunny, who's a pretty healthy chunk of the CN programming day. Or Tom and Jerry, another major time filler. Or, for that matter, Scooby-Doo, who's on so often CN is often called the Scooby-Doo Network. When, exactly, did it seem like a good idea to destroy your own audience? What went through the admen's heads when they dreamed this campaign up, and which major fast food chain do they flip burgers for now? Is this a sign of things to come, when Daffy Duck is squeezed out for drek like Time Squad?

Bad, bad ad. Shame on you. Old shows are good. Classic cartoons are called that for a reason. You want me to watch your new stuff, tell me how good it is. Don't tell me I'm dumb for liking quality material.

[Calhoun07]

That is pretty unforgiveable. You can't celebrate the present day cartoons without giving honor to that which came before. Who ever came up with that ad has no respect, and whoever decided to use it should be demoted, at least.

[icecold]

I'll take "the same thing I watched as a little kid" over that BS Cartoon Network spews anyday.

[Leaping Larry Jojo]

Reminds me of a recent article I read that said Star Blazers was dated, corny melodrama. CORNY? Buddy, that's the stuff of the 70s, man. Smell that classical air.

[Jack]

That's almost as unforgivable the year they inserted Cartoon Cartoons into "The 50 Greatest Cartoons Ever Made" marathon. There are some CCs I really do like, but I cringe whenever CN tries to elevate them to the same level or better as cartoons that have stood the test of time. Something CN's own programming has yet to do.



Jack:rolleyes:

[Calhoun07]

I love the Star Blazers. I am so glad it's out on DVD now.

As far as that best cartoon things...Yeah, that was pretty lame. That was just a shameless way of promoting their own crap at the time. Has anybody without an agenda compiled a list of the top cartoons of all time?

[Nftnat]

Well, how 'bout we do it here? From what I've been observing over the months, there's more than enough talent & savvy re. anything toony right here @ toonzone to go about compiling such a list. And I don't think there'd be an agenda here, would there? Gookie, the Archivist, Brainatra, Psycho Fox, bring in some of the gang from over @ Termite Terrace, we could do it. Just a thought.

[The Mad Hatter]

Wha? That's an... odd tactic. I've never liked ads that out-and-out trash the competition, not to mention it takes an annoyingly condescending tone. I don't like.

Then again, I don't think the purpose was to trash the classics... their audience for that ad are 20-30. I think instead, they're trashing cartoons fromt he 70s and 80s. I can see that, since 98% of the cartoons made during this "dark age" of animation were utter crap.

[Psycho Fox]

Originally posted by Nftnat
Well, how 'bout we do it here? From what I've been observing over the months, there's more than enough talent & savvy re. anything toony right here @ toonzone to go about compiling such a list. And I don't think there'd be an agenda here, would there? Gookie, the Archivist, Brainatra, Psycho Fox, bring in some of the gang from over @ Termite Terrace, we could do it. Just a thought.

That's a can of worms I don't want to open. It is like determining which is better: Sega or Nintendo, Coke or Pepsi, Mac or PC, McDonalds or Burger King, Mini Disc or portable MP3 player. Tring to rate every cartoon will make those who's favourite cartoon didn't do so well upset.

[Brainatra]

>>That's a can of worms I don't want to open. It is like determining which is better: Sega or Nintendo, Coke or Pepsi, Mac or PC, McDonalds or Burger King, Mini Disc or portable MP3 player. Tring to rate every cartoon will make those who's favourite cartoon didn't do so well upset.

Kind of agree (since such lists are pretty subjective, as those AFI lists seem to prove)...though re: those few choices above, I think Burger King (or almost anywhere else) is well above McDonald's™ quality-wise ;-)

-B.
Who actually drinks Diet Rite cola and eats Wendy's mostly these days

[don Jaime]

The audience for this comic would be about 8 to 12 years old, so pretty much anything from the mid-90s on back. That's a lot of good toons, amongst other things.

Who knows the CN e-mail address? I keep forgetting. I definitely want them to know what I think of this.

[bushnader666]

What's next?

Are they going to insert ads for "Cartoon Cartoons" and more 3-hr blocks of Scooby-Doo in the middle of a classic cartoon? Is nothing scared???

I can see it now:
Bugs Bunny: What's up--
CN announcer: Join us for another 666 hour block of Scooby-Doo, followed by countless episodes of Johnny Bravo, Cowrdly Dog, and Time Squad.

Or:
They interrupt classic cartoons to show little clips of Scooby-Doo:

Daffy Duck: You're desp...
Sccoby-Doo: Scooowby dooby doo-oo! [Snort]
[Gang runs]
CN announcer: Join us for another 666 hour...

[Brainatra]

>>What's next?

Are they going to insert ads for "Cartoon Cartoons" and more 3-hr blocks of Scooby-Doo in the middle of a classic cartoon? Is nothing scared???

I can see it now:
Bugs Bunny: What's up--
CN announcer: Join us for another 666 hour block of Scooby-Doo, followed by countless episodes of Johnny Bravo, Cowrdly Dog, and Time Squad.

Or:
They interrupt classic cartoons to show little clips of Scooby-Doo:

Daffy Duck: You're desp...
Sccoby-Doo: Scooowby dooby doo-oo! [Snort]
[Gang runs]
CN announcer: Join us for another 666 hour...<<

Well, I think it's as others said, they're just being slightly short-sighted and/or figure they're appealing to some certain age group (either one my age who *did* grow up watching the likes of "Laff-a-lympics" and the "Smurfs", or one young enough who's only known the 'toons of the past 10 years...). I think they're holding off on the "mother of all Scooby ad campaigns" for when that live-action Scooby Doo movie comes out (I'm still awaiting to see what the CGI Scooby Doo will look like...though not with anticipation...and I'm already envisioning the KWB ad campaigns promoting the Scooby Doo movie with said CGI Scoobster running about that generic CGI WB studio lot admist the Pokemon/Rescue HEroes/etc....).

Oh, and welcome to this forum, uh, bushnader666....interesting user ID name there... :-)

-B.

[Calhoun07]

Originally posted by Brainatra
>>Kind of agree (since such lists are pretty subjective, as those AFI lists seem to prove)...though re: those few choices above, I think Burger King (or almost anywhere else) is well above McDonald's quality-wise ;-)

-B.
Who actually drinks Diet Rite cola and eats Wendy's mostly these days

I think Dairy Queen has better burgers and fries than both Macdonald's and Burger King, at least in my area.

I dont' drink Diet Rite, but it seems to sell well at the grocery store, as I see it's near empty often before they get the load in from the pop company.

I will eat Wendys if I am in the area where there is one, but I don't seek one out. Dairy Queen is the only fast food I'd go out of my way to eat.

Back to the topic of this thread....

Even if they are targeting a younger audience, who is Cartoon Network to dog the cartoons these kids grew up on>

[James Harvey]

While I doubt it doesn't matter this far into the conversation, but I wasn't offended at all by the ad.

[bushnader666]

:eek:


I think they're holding off on the "mother of all Scooby ad campaigns" for when that live-action Scooby Doo movie comes out

My god.

The way CN is promoting Scooby-Doo right now would be sufficient enough for promoting other cartoon to live action movie franchises.

I don't want to be near CN when the live-action SD movie is launched...or even come close to other AwOL-Time Warner owned channels.

The day this new SD movie is launced will be a day of infamy to me and millions of ther classic cartoon fans. (as well as the people who star in the movie and consequently ruin their careers ;) )

[Calhoun07]

Forget the Scooby Doo live action movie. When are we supposed to see the Powerpuff Girls movie in the theaters?

[Danielle]

Powerpuff Girls: The Movie (http://scifi.ign.com/movies/4688.html )

[Calhoun07]

A whole year to go yet? this is worse than waiting for the next Star Wars movie!

[Lonestarr]

Courage the Cowardly Dog - Why did they have to mention this show? It's depressingly one-note. I use "depressingly" because, believe it or not, the original short was nominated for an Academy Award. John R. Dilworth milked the formula dry halfway through the third or fourth episode (though there have been some good moments). If there's one thing that we can all agree on, it's this: Eustace must die.

Dexter's Laboratory - This comes close to replicating the old WB magic, but that cigar is just out of reach. One of the best CN originals, nonetheless. I can't wait for the new episodes.

Johnny Bravo - As long as they were talking about the Van Partible eps with talent the likes of Butch Hartman and Seth McFarlane, they could get away with it. But if they were talking about the awful bizarro Bravo eps...let me put it this way: If you've got the tar, I've got the feathers.

[Danielle]

Originally posted by Lonestarr29

Johnny Bravo - As long as they were talking about the Van Partible eps with talent the likes of Butch Hartman and Seth McFarlane, they could get away with it. But if they were talking about the awful bizarro Bravo eps...let me put it this way: If you've got the tar, I've got the feathers.

Yup, I have some tar. I think Johnny Bravo is one of the worst cartoons in history. I just don't understand how many times you can show a dumb buffy guy going gaga over a woman. And what kind of example can it give? 'Don't be as stupid as this guy'?

[RockItShipper]

Originally posted by Danielle
Yup, I have some tar. I think Johnny Bravo is one of the worst cartoons in history. I just don't understand how many times you can show a dumb buffy guy going gaga over a woman. And what kind of example can it give? 'Don't be as stupid as this guy'?

I think the big problem is that it's the main concept for the show. A few shorts. or a running gag with a supprting character, is one thing. Making enough shorts with just this to fill a 52 half-hour order is something else.

[DR. BELCH]

I think the big problem is that it's the main concept for the show. A ...running gag with a supprting character, is one thing. Making enough shorts with just this to fill a 52 half-hour order is something else.
True. I mean, sure, Brock goes gaga over every pretty face he sees, but he has Misty to be his down-to-earth rudder that guides him back to sanity. Johnny lacks that, unless you consider the annoying little neighbor girl or Carl the Wonder Geek his voices of reason.
Bravo was actually likable to begin with, but turned into a complete horse's butt with this new season and a whole new creative team. The episode with Farrah Fawcett still stands out as a fav of mine, with the Adam West one a close second.
Has anyone seen the new Osmosis Jones/Ed, Edd, and Eddy ads? I'll never look at jawbreakers, chimps, or hard-boiled eggs the same way again....

[Nelson]

Well it's like I said for the past three years regarding Cartoon Network, that they can compare their home made crap to the classics is insulting to the die-hard toon fan.It make me wanna puke.:mad:

[Sinople]

Stupid ad. Never trash comptetion and NEVER TRASH your own product. What are they trying to do? Get their target audience to dump their old product to buy their own? Wouldn't it be smarter to get them to buy both? :confused:

[Nftnat]

CN & Time-Warner have always dissed their own WB product for H-B / CN stuff that wouldn't even've been in the corporation if Turner hadn't've bought it. Kinda like disowning your own kids & giving everything to adoptees (nothing against adoptees, mind you; I'm just illustrating a point here). Tho according to law one can't disown adopted children.

[Brainatra]

Originally posted by Nftnat
CN & Time-Warner have always dissed their own WB product for H-B / CN stuff that wouldn't even've been in the corporation if Turner hadn't've bought it. Kinda like disowning your own kids & giving everything to adoptees (nothing against adoptees, mind you; I'm just illustrating a point here). Tho according to law one can't disown adopted children.

A better analogy might be (instead of adoptees) stepchildren (via the "marriage" of Time-Warner and Turner)...

-B.

[Matthew Hunter]

I think that's kind of a low ad too. I mean, why try to belittle the old stuff when it's on CN all the time? What, are they trying to disown Bugs Bunny, The Flintstones, Tom and Jerry, The Acme Hour, The Jetsons, Droopy, Late Night Black and White, or Scooby Doo? Those are all old classics and they're on all the time. And let's not forget which show gets a full 4 hours every Sat. and Sunday morning....:D
As for their new cartoons, there are some I like (Like "Courage the Cowardly Dog") and some I can't stand ("Sheep in the Big City, "Cow and Chicken"). They would all be better off as a series of shorts, on one hour-long or 2-hour show. For example, you get one short of each each Friday, as they originally were, when called "World Premiere Cartoons." Like, say, instead of a full half-hour of each show so they burn themselves out (Look what happened to Johnny Bravo, Courage, and Dexter, they ran out of ideas). A series of mixed shorts is better than giving each character his own show and trying to rush things. And I can't stand that !!!!#!@#$ commercial they run after every break with the professor from Powerpuff Girls and Courage the Cowardly Dog riding carpool with all the other characters. Give me the classics, or give me the remote!
-Matthew