Better supporting cast: Pebbles And Bamm-Bamm show vs Flintstones Kids

[zoombie]

Talking about the Flintstones today on other threads, I had an old question that I thought I asked.

Which show had a better supporting cast of classmates / peers, The Pebbles And Bam Bam show / Flintstones Comedy Hour or the Flintstones Kids?

I remember all of the kids from PABBS since it just recently aired on Boomerang, there was Moonrock, Penny, Wiggy, Cindy, and Fabian. I remember most of the time Cindy was an antagonist, but sometimes she was a protagonist.

The only supporting character from the Flintstones Kids I remember is Dreamchip, and she was a favorite of mine. She was rich and spoiled, but wasn't a mean snob. A lot like Daphine Blake on A Pup Named Scooby Doo. A good spoiled girl. She is better than any of the classmates on the PABBS.

BTW, did the Flintstones Kids have Joe Rockhead in the cast? If not, they should have. He was the only Flintstones friend that they kept being mention and / or appearing throughout the original series, and maybe even mentioned thoughout later spinoffs, tv specials and tv movies. Depending on the episode, he was Fred's rival at times, and other times standby best friend whenever Fred was mad at Barney about something, which was quite often.

[CartoonCrazy]

While I can't vote (since I have not seen "Flintstones Kids"), I must say that I found the voices for some of the supporting cast on "The Pebbles and Bamm-Bamm Show" quite annoying.

[hobbyfan]

"Pebbles" gets my vote, easily. I have seen bits & pieces of "Flintstone Kids", but I've always thought of that as a contrivance created to cash in on "Muppet Babies", and was 1 of 4 such series from H-B.

Now, for the group: Other than "All in the Family" commitments, can anyone explain why Sally Struthers was replaced as Pebbles after 1 season?

[zoombie]

Other than "All in the Family" commitments, can anyone explain why Sally Struthers was replaced as Pebbles after 1 season?

There is no other reason to my knowledge, that is the reason, All In The Family commitments, so you answered your question.

Incase you don't understand, when I say the supporting cast, I mean the characters themselfs, not the voice over cast. Of course a voice over actors preformance does contribute to a character's enjoyment.

Here is a question about the Flintstones Kids for anyone that remembers the series well enough, but did Fred and Wilma's mother have an antagonistic relationship? Or did they try to go for irony and have them get along well?

Another thing, the characters from the PABBS, appeared in another series in which had Pebbles, Bamm-Bamm and Dino solve mysterious ala Scooby Doo. So I guess they were popular enough to keep coming back, if that is the case, I am surprised none of them made cameos in "I Yabba Dabba Do!". I saw a girl among the wedding guests, that looked kind of like Cindy, she was one that caught the bouquet but I doubt that was intended to be her by the animators.

[Tobias]

Here is a question about the Flintstones Kids for anyone that remembers the series well enough, but did Fred and Wilma's mother have an antagonistic relationship? Or did they try to go for irony and have them get along well?

I don't think Wilma's mother ever appeared during the Flintstone Kid's run, and if she did, it was a very brief appearance.

Another thing, the characters from the PABBS, appeared in another series in which had Pebbles, Bamm-Bamm and Dino solve mysterious ala Scooby Doo. So I guess they were popular enough to keep coming back, if that is the case, I am surprised none of them made cameos in "I Yabba Dabba Do!". I saw a girl among the wedding guests, that looked kind of Cindy, she was one of the girls trying to catch the bouquet but I doubt that was intended to be her by the animators.

I think the writers of the made for t.v. movies just simply forgot everything beyond the original Flintstone's series existed, or just didn't care enough to research the later spin-offs. Otherwise they might have tried to get Sally Struthers and Jay North to return to the roles.

[Steve Carras]

If there was a neither option, I'd vote on that. [how about both? :D] BTW I'd say the first Pebbles and Bamm Bamm teenagers, aka the actual show, was like Scooby--a mascot, and even adventures..I'd rather see the 1963 one with Pebbles in Fred's nightmare---marrying "Arnold....Pebbles, come back!" [Or Rip van Flinstone.]

There were so many incarnations of Pebbles in general, in the 70s in specials as a young girl [I seem to recall a young Pamela Anderosn doing one of those Pebbles voices in the 70s].

[Mister Intensity]

Another thing, the characters from the PABBS, appeared in another series in which had Pebbles, Bamm-Bamm and Dino solve mysterious ala Scooby Doo. So I guess they were popular enough to keep coming back, if that is the case, I am surprised none of them made cameos in "I Yabba Dabba Do!". I saw a girl among the wedding guests, that looked kind of like Cindy, she was one that caught the bouquet but I doubt that was intended to be her by the animators.

The Pebbles and Bam Bam cast mostly appeared in the between segments of 1980's Flintstones Comedy Hour. I don't believe they appeared in more than a handful of the actual Pebbles and Bam Bam and Dino segments. Also note that the Pebbles and Bam Bam Show was on syndication through the Fred Flintstone and Friends package during the 1977-1980 period so the cast was relatively fresh at that point.

[zoombie]

This thread is suppose to be about the characters, not the show itself, but I will bring up this point.

The Flintstones Kids I don't remember much, it wasn't a terrible show, but the one thing it did, it ignored Flintstones continuity. It is common knowledge that the four main characters weren't childhood friends. None of the Pebbles and Bamm Bamm series ever messed with the canon of the original series.

Though the original series does contridict itself on the history of the four characters and how they meet. Early in the series, it is implied that Fred knew Wilma longer than he knew Barney, and the Flintstones and Rubbles meet after they were all married. Than later in the series, they did a flashback episode in which Fred and Barney were best friends as teenagers, when they meet Wilma and Betty who were best friends themselfs.

I always go by the originals series canon of Fred, Barney, Wilma, and Betty not being childhood friends, I think if the FK was canon to other Flintstones series. I have a fantasy episode, in which their childhood friend Dreamchip Gemstones has reunion with them to celebrate the birth of Fred and Wilma's baby Pebbles, they spend the day at the Gemstones mansion, and Pebbles becomes spoiled and wants to stay at the mansion. That would be a good plot.

[hobbyfan]

P&BB was as much derived from Dobie Gillis as the parent Flintstones was derived from the Honeymooners, I felt. Unfortunately, that's about as far as the similarities went. Bamm-Bamm wasn't exactly a stone age Maynard G. Krebs (Maynard, of course, was an el-wimpo), but he wasn't a genius, either. All that power, and yet he's as sharp as a broken thumbtack.

Peb as a female Dobie? No. Too much like her dad with the get-rich-quick schemes-that-don't-work. Plus, she already had her man (Bamm-Bamm).

[Steve Carras]

P&BB was as much derived from Dobie Gillis as the parent Flintstones was derived from the Honeymooners, I felt. Unfortunately, that's about as far as the similarities went. Bamm-Bamm wasn't exactly a stone age Maynard G. Krebs (Maynard, of course, was an el-wimpo), but he wasn't a genius, either. All that power, and yet he's as sharp as a broken thumbtack.

Peb as a female Dobie? No. Too much like her dad with the get-rich-quick schemes-that-don't-work. Plus, she already had her man (Bamm-Bamm).
Peb was like Thalia, and Bamm Bamm like Dobie filtered through Daphne and Freddy, by means of Josie and Alan M., respectively. That's just my opnion, of course..sort of.

[zoombie]

If I can expand on my earlier thought, maybe they should have had characters from the P&BBS make cameros in "I Yabba Dabba Do!", the more think I about it, I would love to see as many supporting characters from the original series and the spinoff series including grown up version of FK characters make cameos as weeding guests. It would also makes sense plot wise since Fred wanted to throw this big wedding, so invite almost he and his family ever meet. Characters like the Greusomes, the Great Gazoo, Captain Caveman, and even Ann Margrock.

[88fingers]

One supporting cast member, at least, from Flintstones Kids did reappear. Philo Quartz, one of the only African American characters in the Flintstone universe, is shown as an adult and a cop in 1994's A Flintstone Christmas Carol. I think Philo's father in Flintstones Kids was also a policeman.

[zoombie]

One supporting cast member, at least, from Flintstones Kids did reappear. Philo Quartz, one of the only African American characters in the Flintstone universe, is shown as an adult and a cop in 1994's A Flintstone Christmas Carol. I think Philo's father in Flintstones Kids was also a policeman.

Speaking of that, wasn't the other kid with glasses Mr. Slate?

That is another case of really ignoring or streaching the Flintstones contuinty as Mr. Slate is suppose to be much older than Fred, Barney, Wilma, and Betty, If they wanted Mr. Slate on the Flintstones Kids, a better way would have been for Fred to get a part time job, and an older teenager by the name Slate is his supervisor. (though still not enough of an age difference, I think Mr. Slate would have been in his 30s when Fred was a kid, but it still an improvement in staying true to the original, in the original series Mr. Slate had a full grown son) That way his role would have been the same.

[Zen Man]

I usually think of Flintstone Kids as taking place in an alternate universe and not canon to the original Flintstone timeline.

As far as the two shows, I have no preference. Though I did like the fact that FK had more diversity.

[zoombie]

One supporting cast member, at least, from Flintstones Kids did reappear. Philo Quartz, one of the only African American characters in the Flintstone universe, is shown as an adult and a cop in 1994's A Flintstone Christmas Carol. I think Philo's father in Flintstones Kids was also a policeman.

Speaking of FK characters that made an apperance in other Flintstones cartoons, I thought the bully from FK resembled the head villain in I Yabba Dabba Do! They both had similar voices and talked the same.

[Brainatra]

To go back on a few questions...

- Yeah, PABB over FK for me, too. At least PABB didn't try to pass off Mr. Slate as a childhood playmate the same age as Fred (or Fred, Wilma, Betty and Barney as knowing each other as kids). ;-)

- I'd think of FK as being in some alternate universe, as well. Obviously, the adult Philo in "Christmas Carol" is just one of the zillion "old pals" of Fred's. (One episode featured a "flash-forward" with the characters imagining their adult lives---Wilma's wound up being imagining a typical original-series Flintstones scenario, only they're all still Kid-sized).

- No, Joe Rockhead wasn't in the FK cast.

- Wilma's mother (looking mostly the same as her original-series self) did appear in FK, along with never-seen-until-that-point Wilma's father. Don't think they had Wilma and Fred's mothers interacting much on the show---they treated Fred and Barney's parents as friends with each other, rather. (Barney's dad was an auto dealer, Fred's was a repairman, so at least their parents' jobs stayed blue-collar-ish as well). We also got to see Fred's grandfather, who looked nothing like Grandpa Flintstone from the original series (who resembled an older version of Fred, there). Guess they couldn't be bothered to use younger versions of Fred's other relatives (Uncle Tex, etc) here...

- Agree that it sucked they didn't use Pebbles and Bamm-Bamm's high school pals in their wedding film. Possible in-show reason might be most of them moving away from Bedrock (like they did in the sequel), and thus not having much contact with them after finishing high school (just like in real life---I haven't talked to my old classmates in years...).

The first movie *did* show Pebbles having coworkers who look/sounded like Wiggy and Penny (but had different names), who were invited to the wedding (and Pebbles hung out with). Why the producers went with "expys" instead of the real thing, I have no idea. I suppose maybe their names in the movie were their real names, and "Penny" and "WIggy" were just nicknames, or something (to rationalize things)... :-p

-B.

[zoombie]

- Yeah, PABB over FK for me, too. At least PABB didn't try to pass off Mr. Slate as a childhood playmate the same age as Fred (or Fred, Wilma, Betty and Barney as knowing each other as kids). ;-)

- I'd think of FK as being in some alternate universe, as well. Obviously, the adult Philo in "Christmas Carol" is just one of the zillion "old pals" of Fred's. (One episode featured a "flash-forward" with the characters imagining their adult lives---Wilma's wound up being imagining a typical original-series Flintstones scenario, only they're all still Kid-sized).

- No, Joe Rockhead wasn't in the FK cast.


-B.

I know the FK is suppose to be for kids, but another thing that make the FK seem like a ulternative universe, is Fred was uncharacteristicly nicier and more likeable.

He is much nicer to Barney, going out of his way to help others, not as out headed and is not a sexist, he was not the Fred Flintstones I know.

No Joe Rockhead, too bad. If I remember correctly, he was a party animal, I guess there was no junior version of the Loyal Order Of Water Buffalo lodge either.

The FK did do a anti drug special episode, I find it very funny and ironic that they did that. It is the same franchise that once adverstised smoking. So I guess drugs are bad, but smoking is okay.

Fred's nemisis on the FK, the bully Rocky Ratrock, the main reason for this conflict was he liked Wilma. Neither of them knew with Wilma came the "ever loving " mother - in - law, would have surfed him right to have her as a mother - in - law. LOL

I thought of a way to cannonish the FK, maybe they were all made up stories by one of all of the four main characters told to a pre school / elementory school age Pebbles and Bamm Bamm.

I think Fred and Wilma's mother are very similar, both very loud opinonated people, which is why they often clash. When Fred initional objected to Pebbles and Bamm Bamm's wedding in I Yabba Yabba Do!, he thought Bamm Bamm would never amount to anything, Wilma's mother probably thought the same of him, Fred was turning into his mother in law before he realised the errors of his ways.

[Brainatra]

I know the FK is suppose to be for kids, but another thing that make the FK seem like a ulternative universe, is Fred was uncharacteristicly nicier and more likeable.

He is much nicer to Barney, going out of his way to help others, not as out headed and is not a sexist, he was not the Fred Flintstones I know.

No Joe Rockhead, too bad. If I remember correctly, he was a party animal, I guess there was no junior version of the Loyal Order Of Water Buffalo lodge either.


There was a junior version of the Water Buffalos--- "Freddie", Barney, Mr. Slate---er, "Nate Slate", Philo, and a few other guys forming a "no girls allowed" club in their treehouse, while still wearing the Buffalos hats.

[zoombie]

There was a junior version of the Water Buffalos--- "Freddie", Barney, Mr. Slate---er, "Nate Slate", Philo, and a few other guys forming a "no girls allowed" club in their treehouse, while still wearing the Buffalos hats.

Well the Water Buffalos were a grown up no girls allowed club. So it is true to the Water Buffalos philosphy and beliefs. I guess for one episode, Fred was back to his future sexist ways.

[88fingers]

The shame is, they could have done this show and stayed true to the Flintstones canon. They should have done the Flintstones Kids but with Pebbles and Bamm Bamm and their friends at 10ish years old as the Kids, which would also have plugged a hole since we never saw them at that age. Arnold could have been their camp counselor or something!

[Brainatra]

The shame is, they could have done this show and stayed true to the Flintstones canon. They should have done the Flintstones Kids but with Pebbles and Bamm Bamm and their friends at 10ish years old as the Kids, which would also have plugged a hole since we never saw them at that age. Arnold could have been their camp counselor or something!

Yeah, that's the show I as a kid (and even now) though they should've done... would've been amusing as a 10-year-old to see Pebbles and Bamm-bamm as my age (versus their *parents*)...

[Steve Carras]

I know the FK is suppose to be for kids, but another thing that make the FK seem like a ulternative universe, is Fred was uncharacteristicly nicier and more likeable.

He is much nicer to Barney, going out of his way to help others, not as out headed and is not a sexist, he was not the Fred Flintstones I know.

No Joe Rockhead, too bad. If I remember correctly, he was a party animal, I guess there was no junior version of the Loyal Order Of Water Buffalo lodge either.

The FK did do a anti drug special episode, I find it very funny and ironic that they did that. It is the same franchise that once adverstised smoking. So I guess drugs are bad, but smoking is okay.

WAS, back in 1960, and for ADULTS.

[zoombie]

Watching the Pebbles and Bamm-Bamm show again on Boomerang, I was reminded of one thing that puts Pebbles and Bamm-Bamm show over the top Schleprock. I just love that bad luck character.

Anyway is just me or is Nat Slate from the Flintstones Kids (Mr. Slate as a kid, even though there should be a large age difference from Slate and Fred, Barney, and pals) almost identical similar to Moonrock.

They could have made Moonrock as Slate's nephew if they wanted to.