Thurop on Flapjack, Cartoon Network, etc.

[nakak]

Hopefully this will clear some things up. Maybe not. But Thurop Van Orman decides to write about all those rumors regarding the future of Cartoon Network flying about.

http://thurop.deviantart.com/journal/25780434/

[macattack]

So they noticed the rumors flying around and admitted it.

I'll take Thurop's word for now on it. I hope the live-action continues to bomb. The more it bombs the more that better shove the message in the executives' faces.

[The Wolverine]

So they noticed the rumors flying around and admitted it.

I'll take Thurop's word for now on it. I hope the live-action continues to bomb. The more it bombs the more that better shove the message in the executives' faces.

And if it does bomb, I hope another network will at least give "BrainRush" and "Survive This" a chance. They don't deserve bad ratings.

[Chazooma]

Hopefully this will clear some things up. Maybe not. But Thurop Van Orman decides to write about all those rumors regarding the future of Cartoon Network flying about.

http://thurop.deviantart.com/journal/25780434/
*Dances around*
Yeeeaaay! Flapjack will last for at least 3 seasons!
:flapjack:

Welps, I guess there won't be a name change after all, anytime soon.
And it will make many people happy to know they're backing off of live-action.

edit: I don't think the current CN real shows are total stink-fests, I think they just would do better on another channel who has had extended experience in live action.
Maybe it's a sign that CN is only cut out for cartoons after all. Well, there are still more coming up, so maybe it'd be like a main dish of cartoons with a side of live-action. /horriblemetaphor

[The Huntsman]

Good riddance. Hopefully this will help put an end to the madness. It’s also nice to hear about the third season of “Flapjack”. It’s by no means a done deal, as the budget has to go through approval and so forth, but at least it’s a sign that Cartoon Network is interested.

[Sketch]

And if it does bomb, I hope another network will at least give "BrainRush" and "Survive This" a chance. They don't deserve bad ratings.

I think if CN decides they can't make those shows work then Turner may try to start up a youth oriented block on TruTV. It would be a good place to put those shows but I guess it's unlikely TruTV will want to have a youth block.

Good to hear no name change is on the horizon and also good to hear Flapjack is safe for now. Hopefully things turn around for Chowder. :(

[soundmonkey44]

Mr. Thruops news has made me happy! Glad to see CNREAL Bombed & that the Name change Idea got axed (for now anyways)

I'd also Like to Say Mr.Thurop Even though I wasn't found of Flapjack at 1st the more I watch it, the more it grows on me. You may just Have another Crewmember soon Mr. Thurop.:flapjack:

(He can't hear me though can he...LULZ!)

[PC!]

I'm glad those rumors of a name change were seemingly unfounded. As long as CN continues to air quality cartoons, I'll support them.

[DeanBurrito25]

So Flapjack isn't cancelled and CN is backing away from live-action because they are aware it bombed horribly.

This is a good day indeed.

[macattack]

I'm glad those rumors of a name change were seemingly unfounded. As long as CN continues to air quality cartoons, I'll support them.

No, the rumors were well-founded, Thurop basically confirmed that. The name change was going to happen until CN Real's performance was revealed to be EPIC FAIL.

[Chazooma]

Hopefully things turn around for Chowder. :(
:crying:
;_;
*sniffle*
I hope for that so badly.
I mean, I thought I was kind of ok with it at first, but the more I think about it, the more I feel depressed about it.
It feels untimely to me.
The only way now I think is if Chowder gets good ratings for the summer.

[Dr.Pepper]

Thank goodness we have some proof now.

[Daxdiv]

That's all I need to hear for now, and I do consider this a more reliable source anyway. I found the Canadian crack funny though.

Kind of sucks that most of those CN Real shows didn't do so good, but I do hope they get picked up somewhere else. As I do enjoy BrainRush, Destroy Build Destroy, and Survive This.

Also YAY! for season 3 of Flapjack.

Though thinking about it, it does make me wonder why they were more open to tell Thorup about this news over Carl?

[chdr]

Crisis averted :D

[The Huntsman]

I think it’s important to stress that this doesn’t mean the immediate end of live-action on the network. It’s merely a sign that the “doomsday scenario” that many people had envisioned isn’t on its way. Cartoon Network already paid for CN Real so they’re going to finish their seasons, and the other CN Real shows are still going to premiere, such as “Bobb’e Says” and “Dude, What Would Happen”. The scripted shows could still be turned down, as only the pilots are in development, but the others are basically done.

[DeanBurrito25]

I think it’s important to stress that this doesn’t mean the immediate end of live-action on the network. It’s merely a sign that the “doomsday scenario” that many people had envisioned isn’t on its way. Cartoon Network already paid for CN Real so they’re going to finish their seasons, and the other CN Real shows are still going to premiere, such as “Bobb’e Says” and “Dude, What Would Happen”. The scripted shows could still be turned down, as only the pilots are in development, but the others are basically done.
Whether they have unfinished buisiness or not, this is still great news.

[Light Lucario]

I'm so glad that Thurop posted this information. At least it will hopefully calm down the people who were worried about Cartoon Network changing its name rumors. I haven't really watched any of the CN Real shows, mainly because I'm not too interested, but I'm sure that they could be picked up by other channels if they're interested.

I'm also glad to hear about a possible season three of Flapjack. It is a nice show with a good sense of humor, in my opinion, and while I do feel that some of Chowder's recent episodes haven't been as good as the first season's episodes, I do hope that things turn around for the show too.

[Raidon Makoto]

YES!

It looks like CN Real's failure combined with the Internet firestorm stopped CN from changing their name. I'm so happy. :D

[The Wolverine]

People should realize that he's not saying it (a name change/rebrand) won't happen... just not right now.

[Djm912]

Is it strange that I sort of want them to change the name of the network, so we can all finally........just let go?

[The Huntsman]

People should realize that he's not saying it (a name change/rebrand) won't happen... just not right now.Yes… the inclusion of “not anytime soon anyways” was a bit… foreboding. Certainly Cartoon Network has been taken aback by all of this, but it sounds as if rebranding isn’t entirely off of the table.

NO CARTOON NETWORK isn’t changing its name. Not anytime soon anyways… they were gonna... But I think they’re reality show idea didn’t go as well as they had hoped (they bombed pretty bad), so… they’re kinda backing out of that idea. Yay for cartoons!

[Rho]

CN should have seen it coming.
I can hope Othersiders gets canned, but Survive This, D, B, D and BrainRush get sent to Discovery Kids or Disney XD or something..

[soundmonkey44]

(In reply to dim) Not me I would find a name change to much. I think CN should stay CN just like nick has stayed nick & disney has stayed disney.

on a simmilar note although im glad CNREAL bombed. I hope this doesn't affect AS in there airings of Mighty boosh or the UK ver of the office ( Cause I need my british comedy!):radda:

Overall I think we'll be in the Safe if CN is still CN by this time next year.:flapjack: (hopefully)

[chdr]

Yes… the inclusion of “not anytime soon anyways” was a bit… foreboding. Certainly Cartoon Network has been taken aback by all of this, but it sounds as if rebranding isn’t entirely off of the table.While there still is a possibility of a rebrand in the future, I think the fact that CN decided to change their minds at all is some pretty reassuring news that they're getting ready to rethink airing live-action.

[Djm912]

(In reply to djm) Not me I would find a name change to much. I think CN should stay CN just like nick has stayed nick & disney has stayed disney.


This is exactly what I'm talking about, though. The Cartoon Network that so many of us loved and enjoyed for so long is gone and is not coming back. The executives have no intention of emulating the vision that got them to where they are today, so I'd rather them just.....move on, so we can all move on.

[The Huntsman]

While there still is a possibility of a rebrand in the future, I think the fact that CN decided to change their minds at all is some pretty reassuring news that they're getting ready to rethink airing live-action.Indeed. I just don’t want people to believe that this ordeal is over. I know that I’ve been defending Cartoon Network from attacks, but people shouldn’t cease their legitimate criticism of the network. That is to say, leaving polite comments and expressing sincere concerns in their feedback forms and on their various social networking pages. I’m pretty sure the ratings had more to do with Cartoon Network’s decision than the complaints, but if people think that they’ve won and back off, Cartoon Network may not carry through with their withdrawal. I just hope we’re now at a point where people can stop insulting the network and actually move forward with a bit more decorum.

...I hope this doesn't affect AS in there airings of Mighty boosh...Don’t worry. “The Mighty Boosh” is getting a panel at Comic Con. [Adult Swim] seems pleased with it.

[soundmonkey44]

The Thing is though even if they changed the name alot of us still WOuld'nt let it go we would fall even further in to anger * Depression!:evil::p

[Deadman]

im glad to see that a name change isnt happening, at least not soon.

[Kaveh77]

So I guess this means flapjack likely wont be canceled and they wont change cartoonnetwork's name:D. Now all they have to do now Is renew chowder and remove cn real.

[The Cartoon]

What have we learned today? Without a source, there isn't a reason to jump to conclusions. I myself am guilty of that. This is all great news, but I still wish that there had been some mention of Chowder. :sad:

[SuperMegaHyper]

Very, very good to know!

[YogiBR123]

There's still no news of Chowder, but at least we have some good news about the future of CN from an almost-reliable source.

Of course, the rebranding is not entire done yet. Anything can happen. What if CN announces something tomorrow that will make millions of viewers commit hara-kiri, huh? Ever thought of that!?

Of course, I'm probably just being paranoid...

But still...

[Master Toon]

rust (http://forums.toonzone.net/member.php?u=20741), macattack (http://forums.toonzone.net/member.php?u=26662) you got some 'splainin to do! :D

It's clear that their reality show idea was met with failure but reality isn't the only type of live action programming that can be made. There's still the ever popular sitcom and gameshow that they can try.

[Daxdiv]

Indeed. I just don’t want people to believe that this ordeal is over. I know that I’ve been defending Cartoon Network from attacks, but people shouldn’t cease their legitimate criticism of the network. That is to say, leaving polite comments and expressing sincere concerns in their feedback forms and on their various social networking pages. I’m pretty sure the ratings had more to do with Cartoon Network’s decision than the complaints, but if people think that they’ve won and back off, Cartoon Network may not carry through with their withdrawal. I just hope we’re now at a point where people can stop insulting the network and actually move forward with a bit more decorum.

If it still means something, I'm still going to buy the Merch for the series, just to make the point. After some time of thinking about it, I just see this piece of news as winning the battle, not the war. But I'll still remain civil about my thoughts on CN Real and such.

[Duelist]

rust (http://forums.toonzone.net/member.php?u=20741), macattack (http://forums.toonzone.net/member.php?u=26662) you got some 'splainin to do! :D

It's clear that their reality show idea was met with failure but reality isn't the only type of live action programming that can be made. There's still the ever popular sitcom and gameshow that they can try.

I don't really think they have anything to explain, or myself for that matter.

[zimbach]

It's clear that their reality show idea was met with failure but reality isn't the only type of live action programming that can be made. There's still the ever popular sitcom and gameshow that they can try.

Most so-called "reality shows" are game shows already. The rest are contrived situation documentaries, or the two combined.:zim:

[Xerroo]

This pleases me. This pleases me alot.

[Tomato Suprise]

Imagine if someone wants to jump off of a cliff. They realize what a bad idea this is, and take three steps back from the cliff's edge. They could easily still jump at any time, but it's reassuring that they're not on the very tip anymore. What will be the true test is the changes in the Fall.

And not to call Thurop's bluff, but how would he know these big, cosmic, plans of the network? Sure, if he says Flapjack isn't ending, I trust him. But how would he know the future of anything besides his own show?

We've won the battle here, but not the war.

Thoughts?
Tomato

[Djm912]

Imagine if someone wants to jump off of a cliff. They realize what a bad idea this is, and take three steps back from the cliff's edge. They could easily still jump at any time, but it's reassuring that they're not on the very tip anymore. What will be the true test is the changes in the Fall.

Just to follow up on my earlier posts, I've simply taken the route in saying "Go ahead and jump, you idiot. I can see I can't stop you, the cops aren't stopping you, the negotiator isn't stopping you, and all your friends that care about you aren't stopping you, so just be done with it so we can move on and remember you pre-plummet-into-oblivion".

[Raidon Makoto]

rust (http://forums.toonzone.net/member.php?u=20741), macattack (http://forums.toonzone.net/member.php?u=26662) you got some 'splainin to do! :D

It's clear that their reality show idea was met with failure but reality isn't the only type of live action programming that can be made. There's still the ever popular sitcom and gameshow that they can try.
Yeah, I don't have any explaining to do. Thurop said there that they were going to, but decided not to. I got that information when they were going to do it... :P

[Mesousa]

I don't mind if CN takes off the live-action, but I seriously hope Nick DOESN'T pick up BrainRush, Destroy Build Destroy and/or Survive This, though. Why? Because if they do, they'll just win more ratings. :shrug:

(sigh)

Guess I'll have to hope for Disney XD to pick them up, but then again, they've actually been better than CN on the ratings sometimes.

[Xerroo]

The reason being is that both Disney and Nick have cornered the 9-14 tween market. CN's attempt was but a fools errand.

[Candice Suzana]

I hope Survive This finishes or is moved to another network then. It's actually a pretty good show to watch.

[Jack_6428]

Im glad those clowns at CN realised that the Real thing is total letdown crap...
I hope they delete it completely..and im happy they wont change theyre name... thank god... they saved their butts... i just hope that they continue to try to be good as they used to be a decade ago... i hope we see more good stuff.. like those marathons we had... Cartoonstitute finally too... i have high expactations for it..

[Ijin]

NO, CARTOON NETWORK isn’t changing its name. Not anytime soon anyways… they were gonna... But I think their reality show idea didn’t go as well as they had hoped, so… they’re kinda backing out of that idea. Yay for cartoons!

Makes me happy.

[Dr.Pepper]

I hope Survive This finishes or is moved to another network then. It's actually a pretty good show to watch.
I think the shows are going to finish, they just will not renew them.

[John Dorian]

Anybody that's anybody should have realized that changing the name of Cartoon Network would not only dissapoint pretty much every Cartoon Network fan that are a fan of I don't know...CARTOONS, but it would be a shot in the foot in animation as we know it. It's a well known brand around the world.

[GlittersBlings]

Whew, At the second I believe CN has totally changed their name. What a relieve :anime:! And Flapjack is not going to be canceled another relieve, those rumors has making everyone panicked, is good that is not happening.

I believe those live-action shows should be on Disney Channel or Nick or some channels, Cartoon Network isn't about live-action adventure, is always be about Cartoons.

[mkalv]

No name change for CN? SA-Weet! To be honest, I am so glad that those live-action stuff bombed. I saw a commercial for them, and it looked lame.

[Mesousa]

I wonder if Thurop has some news about Chowder...

[warnerbroman]

I wonder if Thurop has some news about Chowder...it's delicious

[macattack]

There's still a lot of uncertainties to consider here. Number one, Thurop did not say Cartoon Network has backed away from their game plan completely. He said it gave them pause. They might still go ahead with their plans. Why? Because as others have pointed out, Snyder and co. would much rather be elsewhere than Cartoon Network, and since they can't, they're trying to remake Cartoon Network in their image. They may not be defeated this easily.

The source rust, Duelist, and I have said that Cartoon Network might push onwards anyway. We need to remain vigiliant. I have discovered some interesting trademarks lately, including something called "Soul Quest Overdrive" as well as Cartoonstitute programming like "Danger Planet". Not all of these shows appear to be animated.

EDIT: 4,000th post. My God, so many in just two years? Damn.

[Urusei Yatsura]

Good news. VERY glad CN Real bombed. Survive This though should get moved to another network. At least Flapjack is getting more episodes....

[SandStone88]

Why? Because as others have pointed out, Snyder and co. would much rather be elsewhere than Cartoon Network, and since they can't, they're trying to remake Cartoon Network in their image. They may not be defeated this easily.
How very close-minded they are, if they still continue to push this live action idea. D:

Sorry if this was already explained before, but I'm curious to know. If Snyder and co. didn't want the position of running Cartoon Network, why are they there in the first place?

[chdr]

How very close-minded they are, if they still continue to push this live action idea. D:

Sorry if this was already explained before, but I'm curious to know. If Snyder and co. didn't want the position of running Cartoon Network, why are they there in the first place?Mostly because Snyder is a successful businessman who had ties to Turner prior to now (he ran Turner Home Video in the 90s).

[Chazooma]

I don't think the heads of CN are really THAT stupid,
sure it angered many when CN Real came out, but it seemed like they were just testing new waters.
If it doesn't work for them (and isn't, apparently) then they'll back off.
Maybe not entirely, as there are still upcoming live-action shows,
but they'll see what works and what doesn't.
If a show ends up costing more to make than what it brings in, of course the CN execs are going to vote to drop it.
I can see why many are mad though, CN was content in its little niche, just showing cartoons, and many felt it should've stayed that way.

I think CN has bumped itself up last year and this year, with the exception of CN Real flipping and flopping. I give Snyder and team credit for that, and wasn't it Snyder's idea to bring in TDI & TDA over, one of the current highest-rated shows on CN? I'm not sure of that, but I know he can't be all bad.

It's not like all they do in their offices is scratch their butts while clubbing themselves over the head.

[soundmonkey44]

It's not like all they do in their offices is scratch their butts while clubbing themselves over the head.

Or do they....:evil:

But look on the bright side, someday Snyder will be gone & we can Smile when we watch CN again! (Hopefully)

[MegaSonic55]

These shows could probably make it on a different network, just not Cartoon Network. But glad Thurop finally took time to talk about these sorts of things, since it was kind of something people were asking him about.

[warnerbroman]

These shows could probably make it on a different network, just not Cartoon Network. But glad Thurop finally took time to talk about these sorts of things, since it was kind of something people were asking him about.unlike somebody we know


(don't take this seriously)

[Candice Suzana]

I think CN has bumped itself up last year and this year, with the exception of CN Real flipping and flopping. I give Snyder and team credit for that, and wasn't it Snyder's idea to bring in TDI & TDA over, one of the current highest-rated shows on CN? I'm not sure of that, but I know he can't be all bad.


People like to emphasize his mistakes such as bringing in CNReal, canning Toonami, etc since they were unpopular choices. I'm still wondering about Chowder though.

[Mesousa]

Wait, better idea: why not turn TBS to a The N/Noggin (when they were one channel) kind of channel?

Wait, awful idea, because the 3 good live-action shows (The Othersiders being the excluded one) would have premieres in the afternoon, that just plain won't work. :shrug:

See, the kiddy stuff would air in the afternoon and mornings while the more mature stuff start on evenings, and then through the night, but premiering stuff in the day won't work, but I bet it might give some people here some ideas like that.

[Silverstar]

Wait, better idea: why not turn TBS to a The N/Noggin (when they were one channel) kind of channel?

Because Turner has already designated TBS as the home of 'Very Funny', with its' original sitcoms, World's Funniest Commercials specials and stand-up programs. Plus, none of the CNReal shows are comedies, so they wouldn't fit TBS's format.

[Blackstar]

Turner could conceivably create a kids' block for TBS, but I don't see them reformatting the entire channel just for that purpose.

[Mesousa]

Because Turner has already designated TBS as the home of 'Very Funny', with its' original sitcoms, World's Funniest Commercials specials and stand-up programs. Plus, none of the CNReal shows are comedies, so they wouldn't fit TBS's format.

TBS had cartoons before.

[Silverstar]

TBS had cartoons before.

Yeah, I remember that; I used to watch SuperStation Funtime weekday afternoons as a kid. But that was then, this is now.

Like Blackstar said above, I could see TBS creating a kids' programming block, but not remaking the whole channel.

[AJ1]

This is all excellent news and I am so glad that CN is keeping their name (for now) and that the live action crap isn't producing the numbers that the network had hoped for in the first place. Thanks the stars for small favors and hooray for cartoons!