CN Talkback: Pokémon D/P: Galactic Battle “Hold the Phione!” [7/4] (Spoilers)

[Lazerboy5000]

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Ash, Brock, and Dawn continue their adventures through the sinnoh region while battling some intense rivals and great villans.

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Recently:
Dawn’s currently has three ribbons.
Jessie also won her second ribbon while Ash was competing in a gym battle.
Ash met up with another rival, Barry. Barry for some reason is a huge Paul fanboy.
Dawn’s Swinub evolved into Piloswine, and then into a Mamothswine.
Ash won his 6th gym badge against Bryon.

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Last Time:
“Cheers on a Castaway Isle!”
Encore: Sunday, July 5th, 7:30am Eastern
While departing Iron Island, Piplup and Pikachu get into a run-in with Team Rocket, who attempts to steal them, but fail. Yet, the two pokemon are now stranded on a deserted island. While trying to find a way to signal Ash and Dawn, they stumble upon a mystery egg. It turns out that the mystery egg was a Deyxos and the rocks near the island were helping restore Deyxos’s energy. Ash and Dawn do find Pikachu and Piplup as they were able to revive Deyxos.

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This Time:
“Hold the Phione!”
Saturday, July 4th, 9:00am Eastern
Encore: Sunday July 5th, 7:30am Eastern
Dawn at the location of the next pokemon contest, and that is Chocovine Town. They are a little early, but in luck, because they will get to witness the famed Phione migration.

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Notes:
Happy Independence Day everyone!
Encores are back Sundays at 7:30am
Battle Dimension reruns are still on weekdays at 8:00am
The only Galactic Battle blocks on this upcoming week is from 3-4 today, and from 11-12 Monday.

[Mesousa]

Well this episode was...well, a little uncomfortable, I feel this episode could be controversial.

I think this is the first time shoujo-ai is involved in a kids cartoon, and yes, I thought the Phione sounded too girly (Bunneary was already confirmed as a female before, remember), so I thought that's a female.

As soon as Brock said "I think it likes Bunneary", I gulped.

Yes, there were amusing lines, but something just kept distracting me, and obviously, it's the PhionexBunneary angle.

[Cryofalcon62]

Team Rocket covering their faces from Ash and co. wasn't necessary. Even if TR showed their faces, Ash and co. would have been too stupid to recognize who they were anyway.

[SuperMegaHyper]

Well this episode was...well, a little uncomfortable, I feel this episode could be controversial.

I think this is the first time shoujo-ai is involved in a kids cartoon, and yes, I thought the Phione sounded too girly (Bunneary was already confirmed as a female before, remember), so I thought that's a female.

As soon as Brock said "I think it likes Bunneary", I gulped.

Yes, there were amusing lines, but something just kept distracting me, and obviously, it's the PhionexBunneary angle.And here comes the fanart!:anime:

[Mesousa]

Team Rocket covering their faces from Ash and co. wasn't necessary. Even if TR showed their faces, Ash and co. would have been too stupid to recognize who they were anyway.

It was still amusing, though.

And here comes the fanart!:anime:

Hopefully, it's not NSFW. :sweat:

[Light Lucario]

Team Rocket covering their faces from Ash and co. wasn't necessary. Even if TR showed their faces, Ash and co. would have been too stupid to recognize who they were anyway.

Well, it's a running gag of the series that Ash and his friends never recognize Team Rocket, even though it's painfully obvious that it's them. Besides, as Mesousa already stated, it was pretty funny and different from how they usually respond to seeing the kids.

Anyway, I thought that this was a nice, yet extremely weird, kind of episode. I was glad that Dawn chose her Buneary and Pachirisu for her next Contest. Since she uses Piplup so often, I feel like she doesn't use her other Pokemon nearly as much, which is kind of sad. So, seeing a Phione is good luck? I was surprised that they didn't mentioned, through the Pokedex entry, Phione's connection to Manaphy, even though that might be a bit hard to do considering how one gets a Manaphy in the games.

It was really funny to see Team Rocket hiding their faces from Ash and his friends. They never recognize them anyway so there wasn't a need to panic. It was funny to see how Jessie was planning on using Meowth so that people could say they saw Phione. For once, they didn't have to cheat to get to a rare Pokemon. It didn't take too long for them to find those Phione either. I also didn't understand why Brock had Crogunk out to watch. I didn't understand why Phione was attrated to Buneary. With the exception of Buneary's crush on Pikachu, all of the other Pokemon crushes have been with the same type.

By the way, Phione would be considered genderless, like most of the other legendary Pokemon. So it's a genderless Pokemon having a crush on a female Buneary. Yeah, it doesn't really make it any less awarked.

Team Rocket also had an amazingly easy time catching Phione. Even its two friends didn't try to stop them. Dawn dragging Ash and Brock for shopping was a bit odd, since I would have put more attention on training by that point, but it made sense for her. At least Buneary and Pachirisu were still out of their Pokeballs. Meowth's boss fantasies can be either weird, funny, kind of creepy or a combination for me. Giovanni entering contests with toys as the grand prize was kind of weird, but seeing the way he held Phione was kind of cute.

I couldn't believe that Team Rocket messed up their work that badly. They had a legendary Pokemon right in their lap, literally James' lap, no one knew about it and they could have gotten away with it. But they blew their chance with wanting to see Phione again. I thought that they would open the lid for a quick look, witch would have made reasonable sense. I didn't think that it would want to go back in the pot after getting out into the water and I was right. Team Rocket was doing Pokemon poaching by getting Phione like that, but it would have been an interesting twist if they actually did manage to give their boss a really rare Pokemon for once.

I didn't think that Phione could travel through the pipes over the town like that. That was kind of cool, yet kind of weird at the same time. I understood why some of the people screamed when they saw it. So, Phione traveled all of that way to find Buneary. Yeah, this crush still didn't make any sense to me at all. I was surprised when it challenged Pikachu to a battle, considering how one Thunderbolt would end the match, but I was even more surprised when Buneary took the challenge instead. Well, at least that's different from the typical fighting for the girl kind of deal. Brock's reaction to Phione's feelings of love was pretty nice too.

I thought that the battle was decent, at best, but it felt more weird to me. For starters, I really didn't think that it was necessary for the human characters to constantly call out which move was being used. That got kind of old. Despite being a legendary Pokemon, it was a pretty easy win for Buneary since it was just Ice Beam on Ice Beam for the most part. Of course, it helps that Phione isn't really that strong to begin with. By the way, I also thought that Phione had a really odd move set. Of course, Team Rocket are blasted away after the battle.

I didn't understand how Phione could like Buneary that much even after it left. I also didn't understand how could Dawn know what Buneary was shouting out since it wasn't doing anything too specific that would have given her that idea. At least Phione got to be with its friends again. Now, we have the Contest episode next.

Overall, this was still a nice episode, but it was just also really weird for me too. Phione's crush never made sense and it was never explained why it liked Buneary. The battle itself was kind of short too. Although, I did like how this episode gave something for Buneary to do for a change. Despite being Dawn's first caught Pokemon, I feel like it hasn't done that much for a long time. I'm really looking foreword to seeing the next new episode next week.

[Mesousa]

It's called "love at first sight", Light Lucario.

You also forgot that it felt shoujo-ai-sih.

[Daxdiv]

Well there was that one time a Magnemite had a thing for Pikachu, but that was justifiable since it liked the Electricity it was over producing, not Pikachu.

But I did get a good laugh out of Phione crushing on Buneary and Team Rocket hiding their faces even though they can fool them a good 95% of the time. Do I need to bring in that pic of them wearing glasses, wear some shirt/coat over their recognizeable "R" disguise? Also nice fight from Phione and Buneary, since I'm pretty sure Pikachu vs Phione would have been quick.

Next week is going to be kick ass guys, I promise.

[Candice Suzana]

This was a rather boring episode. The only thing that actually happened was Buneary battling Phione and after that it was boring. At least it's settled that Phione is the weakest, if not second weakest, legendary Pokémon so far.

[Light Lucario]

It's called "love at first sight", Light Lucario.

You also forgot that it felt shoujo-ai-sih.

While that may be the case, it still doesn't explain why a genderless legendary Water Pokemon would fall in love with a female Normal type Buneary. Even without the fact that Buneary had a trainer, the fact that Buneary couldn't travel with Phione underwater made it impossible for them to be together. If Phione wanted to play with Buneary, that would have made a bit more sense to me.

[Tash]

But I did get a good laugh out of Phione crushing on Buneary and Team Rocket hiding their faces even though they can fool them a good 95% of the time. Do I need to bring in that pic of them wearing glasses, wear some shirt/coat over their recognizeable "R" disguise?
I've had a long-standing theory about that. Since Team Rocket has attacked Ash every few days since he started his journey, he's gotten so used to looking at them that his mind no longer registers them as something that shouldn't be there. The only reason they keep getting caught is because they always announce themselves. At this point, they could just casually walk up to him with no disguise on, calmly take Pikachu, then walk away as if nothing had happened and he wouldn't notice.

[Daxdiv]

While that may be the case, it still doesn't explain why a genderless legendary Water Pokemon would fall in love with a female Normal type Buneary. Even without the fact that Buneary had a trainer, the fact that Buneary couldn't travel with Phione underwater made it impossible for them to be together. If Phione wanted to play with Buneary, that would have made a bit more sense to me.

Well, you do got to remember that the game logic doesn't really apply into the show. Since there was a time that Lugia gave birth to another Lugia, and as far as the games goes, Lugia can't even breed with anything. Then there's the fact that Manaphy is referred to as "Prince of the Sea" despite the fact that it is also genderless as well. So I disregard the gender issue between the games and the show as far as that issue goes, so I just assumed that it was male for the most part in this episode case.

But as for Phione wanting to take Buneary with it, that is a problem, since Buneary can't travel with it, so playing with it would have to be limited to land.

I've had a long-standing theory about that. Since Team Rocket has attacked Ash every few days since he started his journey, he's gotten so used to looking at them that his mind no longer registers them as something that shouldn't be there. The only reason they keep getting caught is because they always announce themselves. At this point, they could just casually walk up to him with no disguise on, calmly take Pikachu, then walk away as if nothing had happened and he wouldn't notice.

Now that you point that out, I do notice how TR says who they are then they're like it's Team Rocket, like they didn't know before. Though like I said before, they could just pull a Clark Kent and get it over with and wonder who try to steal it.

[Mesousa]

While that may be the case, it still doesn't explain why a genderless legendary Water Pokemon would fall in love with a female Normal type Buneary. Even without the fact that Buneary had a trainer, the fact that Buneary couldn't travel with Phione underwater made it impossible for them to be together. If Phione wanted to play with Buneary, that would have made a bit more sense to me.

Genderless?

Gross. :ack:

[Daxdiv]

Genderless?

Gross. :ack:

In case you didn't know, as far as the games goes, a majority of Legendary Pokemon are genderless, except for Creselia, Heatran, Latios, and Latias. But like I said, the anime likes to disregard the above about legendaries and give them a gender if it fits the story.

[Light Lucario]

Well, you do got to remember that the game logic doesn't really apply into the show. Since there was a time that Lugia gave birth to another Lugia, and as far as the games goes, Lugia can't even breed with anything. Then there's the fact that Manaphy is referred to as "Prince of the Sea" despite the fact that it is also genderless as well. So I disregard the gender issue between the games and the show as far as that issue goes, so I just assumed that it was male for the most part in this episode case.

But as for Phione wanting to take Buneary with it, that is a problem, since Buneary can't travel with it, so playing with it would have to be limited to land.

Oh yeah. I totally forgot about the whole Lugia arc from Master Quest for some reason, as well as Manaphy being genderless. My mistake. Sorry about that. I usually remember things a bit better than that, especially about Pokemon. You bring up a good point. I didn't even think of the genderless part until after the episode. Phione being male makes much more sense, but its crush on Buneary still doesn't make any sense due to how it couldn't travel with Phione even without being with Dawn.

[PC!]

I've had a long-standing theory about that. Since Team Rocket has attacked Ash every few days since he started his journey, he's gotten so used to looking at them that his mind no longer registers them as something that shouldn't be there. The only reason they keep getting caught is because they always announce themselves. At this point, they could just casually walk up to him with no disguise on, calmly take Pikachu, then walk away as if nothing had happened and he wouldn't notice.

I would laugh so hard if that ever happened.

I need to go watch Pokemon In A Nutshell.

[Lazerboy5000]

Quite an interesting episode here. Team Rocket playing a bigger role here and showing that they aren't always complete idiots. The submarine ride was actually a really good idea on there half. They probably made a lot of money (which they will spend off of giant robots... :shrug:). And they showed that they do have the ability to catch pokemon, especially when the twerps aren't around.

Glad to see Dawn using someone other than Piplup in the upcomming contest. Patchirisu and Buneary have plenty of experience by now, so they should be all set to go for the contest.

Phione's cursh of Buneary was kind of cute, though somewhat awkard in design. I knew at one point there was going to be a conflict with Pikachu, and sure enough there was. Buneary agreeing to a battle with Phione with the condition that if Phione won, they would have a date was really interesting. I relaly wanted Phione to win, just becuase that would have been really cute to see. :anime: But unfortunally it didn't work out that way. :p

I didn't know Phione could travel around the town the way it did. Just popping out of those small water pipes was very interesting. It made for a laugh when all of a sudden it would just appear in front of someone.

By the way, Phione would be considered genderless, like most of the other legendary Pokemon. So it's a genderless Pokemon having a crush on a female Buneary. Yeah, it doesn't really make it any less awarked.
Well, in the games, legendaries are genderless, but I don't think that's the case in the show. Example, the mom Lugia. Now obviously that would make the Lugia female rather than genderless. So, I think it should be implied that Phione is a male, despite having such a high pitched voice. But what else can you do about a small pokemon, it's voice is going to be rather high in the first place.
Now that you point that out, I do notice how TR says who they are then they're like it's Team Rocket, like they didn't know before. Though like I said before, they could just pull a Clark Kent and get it over with and wonder who try to steal it.
Its not like when Barry just intrupts them while they are saying their motto. "TEAM ROCKET!!" "Hey, you didn't let us finish our intro." :p
In case you didn't know, as far as the games goes, a majority of Legendary Pokemon are genderless, except for Creselia, Heatran, Latios, and Latias. But like I said, the anime likes to disregard the above about legendaries and give them a gender if it fits the story.
Now, isn't the whole genderless thing supposed to prevent breeding legendaries? Like, if they were a gender in the game, most people would breed them, and it would get kind of out of control. That's why it's really tough to get legendaries through trade, becuase you only have so many per game.

[Daxdiv]

Now, isn't the whole genderless thing supposed to prevent breeding legendaries? Like, if they were a gender in the game, most people would breed them, and it would get kind of out of control. That's why it's really tough to get legendaries through trade, becuase you only have so many per game.

It is, but they're sterile so it sort of cancels it out, since they can't even breed with Ditto in the games or breed with anything else.

[Lazerboy5000]

It is, but they're sterile so it sort of cancels it out, since they can't even breed with Ditto in the games or breed with anything else.
I guess it might have just been an extra precaution, you know.

[Daxdiv]

I guess it might have just been an extra precaution, you know.

Well, but that still doesn't explain how Manaphy is able to breed with Ditto and how it end up producing a Phione.

[Lazerboy5000]

Well, but that still doesn't explain how Manaphy is able to breed with Ditto and how it end up producing a Phione.
I wouldn't know how that works either. And on top of that Phione doesn't evolve into Manaphy or anything like that.... so.... :sad:

[Linkdarkside]

the reason legendary pokemon are genderless are for gameplay reasons.

[Mesousa]

the reason legendary pokemon are genderless are for gameplay reasons.

...Kinda lame if you ask me. It's like they're tans-- (slap)

[Linkdarkside]

i forgot to comment on the episode

i rate the episode 7/10 decent.

Buneary is cute as hell and loved her battle whit not her trainer command like the battle tent and battle fronier in the games.

i did not like that Ash did not mentioned that Phione looks a little like Manaphy.

i liked the shoping scene was good and the boss fantasy in this episode was one of the best.

[RonDrakenfan17]

I love how confused Ash and Team Rocket were about love, only they'd be confused about that kind of stuff :p

Ash not remembering a Pokemon is not the first time, but he's slowly getting better at it. Over all a very meh episode.