Smut On The Cartoon Network(Actually it was [as])

[Light Ichigo]

http://momwantsacure.blogspot.com/2008/02/smut-on-cartoon-network.html
It's rather old so, sorry if it this already been posted.
I did some research and, found that the show on her TV was King of the Hill.

[TripleS]

Obviously the [adult swim] logo didn't mean much, huh?

Great parenting btw. "I should be able to trust Cartoon Network."

And Cartoon Network should be able to trust that you can pay attention to what your child watches.

[Zorak Masaki]

http://momwantsacure.blogspot.com/2008/02/smut-on-cartoon-network.html
It's rather old so, sorry if it this already been posted.
I did some research and, found that the show on her TV was King of the Hill.

Which is ironically enough, the mildest show currently running on AS.

[Spike Mcdougal]

When I saw the title I thought this was one of those stories that sometimes crop up where there was some technical f-up and porn got accidentally shown

Obviously the [adult swim] logo didn't mean much, huh?

Great parenting btw. "I should be able to trust Cartoon Network."

And Cartoon Network should be able to trust that you can pay attention to what your child watches.


*Applauds*

[{Shadow}]

http://momwantsacure.blogspot.com/2008/02/smut-on-cartoon-network.html
It's rather old so, sorry if it this already been posted.
I did some research and, found that the show on her TV was King of the Hill.
It couldn't have been King of the Hill. That blog was posted Feb. 2008, and King of the Hill didn't start airing on AS until earlier this year, so it had to have been some other show.

[Raidon Makoto]

Posted a comment.

Cartoon Network isn't for kids, it was never meant to be a children's channel and it never will be. Like CNN is for news, Cartoon Network is for animation enthusiasts. I'd also like to point out that cartoons aren't just for kids. Its a common misconception because Walt Disney (one of the men responsible for animation becoming a big hit) created family-oriented cartoons in his time. Sadly, the misconception has stuck.

Going to bed now...

[Tobias]

It sounds like she was watching either the Venture Bros. or Stroker & Hoop.

But anyway, they put the cautionary bumpers on the front of the AS shows and the logo in the lower right hand corner of the screen for a reason. Parents can complain all they want, AS/Turner's butts are covered in this case.

[Racattack!Force]

...She is aware that [as] is aimed towards adults, and that Cartoon Network isn't obligated towards airing family-friendly programming at all, right?

[soundmonkey44]

Yes AS has smut, thats one of the things I personally dislike about AS, but I cam tolreate it since they have Decent acquisitions like KOTH, FG, AD, and of course Saturday night Anime. I understand the mothers concern, but I hate it when people overreact, the fact is there will all ways be smut, explicet, & Psuedo(false)Mature shows on TV but oh well If the parents don't want there kids acidentally wathcing AS just set a block on it simple as that. I mean I set a block on MTV at my house so no one in my family would have to put up with the mass stupidity of most of theres shows! LULZ! im sure that lady could do the same for AS if she wants, but no reason to make a big deal about it, shessh!:sweat::evil::p

[TripleS]

...She is aware that [as] is aimed towards adults, and that Cartoon Network isn't obligated towards airing family-friendly programming at all, right?
From the sounds of it, she didn't seem to be aware it even existed. *facepalm*

[Fool's Gil]

:pHoly Roflcopter this made my night.:p

But anyways, how can you not not know about Adult Swim? Middle aged woman or not, you'd have to have spent some time flipping through the channels at 10 or 11 since 2001. Funny though, all those bumps, and a little kid still hears something.

[Master Moron]

The funniest thing is that she's flipping out over them saying the word penis. I mean, penis isn't even a bad word. It's a freakin' body part for crying out loud. I remember them making penis jokes on Animaniacs when I was a kid. I mean, this woman takes being a prude to a whole new level. I feel like leaving a comment on her blog calling her an idiot, but since this is like, a year old, it would almost be pointless.

You know, this never would have happened if Adult Swim didn't take anime off of weeknights. I mean, sure the anime shows can be incredibly violent. But, they never say the word "penis".

[chdr]

The funniest thing is that she's flipping out over them saying the word penis. I mean, penis isn't even a bad word. It's a freakin' body part for crying out loud. I remember them making penis jokes on Animaniacs when I was a kid. I mean, this woman takes being a prude to a whole new level. I feel like leaving a comment on her blog calling her an idiot, but since this is like, a year old, it would almost be pointless.

You know, this never would have happened if Adult Swim didn't take anime off of weeknights. I mean, sure the anime shows can be incredibly violent. But, they never say the word "penis".Then she would just be complaining about violence or blood or something. (Not to mention comedy usually airs at 2am).

[Funkatron]

How adult: she closed the comments.

[TripleS]

Then she would just be complaining about violence or blood or something. (Not to mention comedy usually airs at 2am).
Oh but the average American prude won't speak up until it involves sexual content.

[Master Moron]

After having a night to reflect on this, her point of view actually doesn't seem that irrational. I mean, she's still an idiot for freaking out over her daughter hearing the word penis(she doesn't say how old her daughter is, but I must have known the words penis and vagina by the time I was 5 years old), but her argument that they shouldn't air adult cartoons on a kid's channel actually has some merit. I mean, before she deleted all the comments one of the arguments opposing her seemed to be that Cartoon Network isn't a kid's network, it's a network for animation enthusiasts. That may have been true when the network was first created, but I hardly think that's the case now. Whenever a show skews older Cartoon Network seems to treat it like garbage. They're now starting to get more live action programs so they can be more like Nick and Disney. There is basically nothing on Cartoon Network that appeals to adults. It is a kid's channel. They're mainly targetting 6-11 year olds.

Now, contrast that with Adult Swim. They target 18-34 year olds and they air TV-MA rated shows. It's basically the complete opposite of Cartoon Network's target audience. Now, when Adult Swim first started I obviously wouldn't have made this argument, but that was because there was less of a differentiation between Adult Swim and Cartoon Network. I watched shows on both Cartoon Network and Adult Swim and there didn't seem to be that huge of a difference between the content on each. But, now there seems to be a huge disconnect between the two. I wouldn't be caught dead watching Cartoon Network nowadays. They seem determined to make their network more like Disney and Nick so why shouldn't parents expect the content to be safe? I mean, sure, Nickelodeon becomes Nick at Night but the content remains relatively tame. Parents can feel safe leaving their kids watching Nickelodeon or Disney Channel at anytime of the day. Cartoon Network wants to be like Nick and Disney and what they choose to air demonstrates that. So, why would a parent expect adult content on Cartoon Network?

[TripleS]

It is a kid's channel. They're mainly targetting 6-11 year olds.

Parents can feel safe leaving their kids watching Nickelodeon or Disney Channel at anytime of the day. Cartoon Network wants to be like Nick and Disney and what they choose to air demonstrates that. So, why would a parent expect adult content on Cartoon Network?
This is true. I always personally thought CN was a kid's network anyway, although it's certainly more recognizable now.

Come to think about it, I guess CN's new Disney/Nick-imitation approach really does earn some blame into this. Not that I feel that CN should get rid of adult swim, but I don't see why the channel should associate itself with other channels that are perfectly safe to leave on all night long.

But I will say that she still did have the option of turning on the little V-Chip if she really was to busy to pay attention to what is appropriate for her child on TV these days.

Although 'penis' isn't offensive lol. It's the technical term and it's better than your child learning the slang terms for it.

[Master Moron]

Then she would just be complaining about violence or blood or something. (Not to mention comedy usually airs at 2am).

I wonder what her reaction would be if she turned on the TV and she heard Euphemia talking about killing all the Japanese...

How adult: she closed the comments.

Well, it was a year old. Would you want to respond to something you wrote a year ago?

So, anyway, she says that the show she was watching had this line: "If you don't tell me where the goods are, you're going to be thrown in jail where big men will cornhole you in the pants." Does anyone recognize what show this is from?

[joltman]

FYI, after checking some old schedules, it looks like it would have been Harvey Birdman

[The Overlord]

After having a night to reflect on this, her point of view actually doesn't seem that irrational. I mean, she's still an idiot for freaking out over her daughter hearing the word penis(she doesn't say how old her daughter is, but I must have known the words penis and vagina by the time I was 5 years old), but her argument that they shouldn't air adult cartoons on a kid's channel actually has some merit. I mean, before she deleted all the comments one of the arguments opposing her seemed to be that Cartoon Network isn't a kid's network, it's a network for animation enthusiasts. That may have been true when the network was first created, but I hardly think that's the case now. Whenever a show skews older Cartoon Network seems to treat it like garbage. They're now starting to get more live action programs so they can be more like Nick and Disney. There is basically nothing on Cartoon Network that appeals to adults. It is a kid's channel. They're mainly targetting 6-11 year olds.

Now, contrast that with Adult Swim. They target 18-34 year olds and they air TV-MA rated shows. It's basically the complete opposite of Cartoon Network's target audience. Now, when Adult Swim first started I obviously wouldn't have made this argument, but that was because there was less of a differentiation between Adult Swim and Cartoon Network. I watched shows on both Cartoon Network and Adult Swim and there didn't seem to be that huge of a difference between the content on each. But, now there seems to be a huge disconnect between the two. I wouldn't be caught dead watching Cartoon Network nowadays. They seem determined to make their network more like Disney and Nick so why shouldn't parents expect the content to be safe? I mean, sure, Nickelodeon becomes Nick at Night but the content remains relatively tame. Parents can feel safe leaving their kids watching Nickelodeon or Disney Channel at anytime of the day. Cartoon Network wants to be like Nick and Disney and what they choose to air demonstrates that. So, why would a parent expect adult content on Cartoon Network?

Your argument is underminded by the fact that there are about 3 PG rated shows playing on CN nowadays, if it were just for small kids, those shows wouldn't be present, now would they? CN is showing content the others aren't showing.

[Raidon Makoto]

Your argument is underminded by the fact that there are about 3 PG rated shows playing on CN nowadays, if it were just for small kids, those shows wouldn't be present, now would they? CN is showing content the others aren't showing.
Yeah, there are 3 PG-rated shows, but all of them are advertised for the 6-11 demographic. Just look at the ads, those shows are for kids.

I still maintain that CN is for animation enthusiasts, not for kids. Even though their directive is screwed up, I find comfort in the fact that one day, someone will fix it.

[The Overlord]

Yeah, there are 3 PG-rated shows, but all of them are advertised for the 6-11 demographic. Just look at the ads, those shows are for kids.

I still maintain that CN is for animation enthusiasts, not for kids. Even though their directive is screwed up, I find comfort in the fact that one day, someone will fix it.

Actually some of those shows are aimed at 9-14 demo.

And the old shows weren't for kids? Isn't Naruto created for Japanese middle school kids? What was PPG and Teen Titans not aimed kids?

It seems like you are allowing nostalgia to blind you, the vast majority of stuff on CN was always aimed at kids.

[creativerealms]

Yeah, there are 3 PG-rated shows, but all of them are advertised for the 6-11 demographic. Just look at the ads, those shows are for kids.

I still maintain that CN is for animation enthusiasts, not for kids. Even though their directive is screwed up, I find comfort in the fact that one day, someone will fix it.

Name past Cartoon network shows were the main target is not kids? Name one that had ads clearly for everyone and not just kids. And prove it too.

I agree with you that Cartoon network is a Family channel and not a kids channel but those PG shows complete with their warnings should help your stance. Your trying to prove cartoon Network is a Family channel yet you dismiss some of the shows that prove your point the best. Sigh. Dismissing your own evidence does not help your point.

[Antiyonder]

It seems like you are allowing nostalgia to blind you, the vast majority of stuff on CN was always aimed at kids.

The shows maybe, but back in their early years the medium was treated as a legitamite form of entertainment.

[Rolling Cloud]

Name past Cartoon network shows were the main target is not kids? Name one that had ads clearly for everyone and not just kids. And prove it too.

I agree with you that Cartoon network is a Family channel and not a kids channel but those PG shows complete with their warnings should help your stance. Your trying to prove cartoon Network is a Family channel yet you dismiss some of the shows that prove your point the best. Sigh. Dismissing your own evidence does not help your point.

You mean stuff like Tdi and/or 6teen? Those are as much for kids as they are up in Canada.

EDIT: Oh, misread it. Sorry

[G1Ravage]

I don't recognize the show she quoted from. Any idea as to what she stumbled upon?

[The Overlord]

You mean stuff like Tdi and/or 6teen? Those are as much for kids as they are up in Canada.

True, but Naruto is a kids cartoon in Japan, so what's your point? The fact is saying that in the past CN wasn't a kids channel is false, it was always a kids channel. All the shows were aimed at kids, PPG never brought in the over 30 crowd.

The shows maybe, but back in their early years the medium was treated as a legitamite form of entertainment.

But the content was always aimed at kids, so it was always a kids channel. Was the CN back in 2001 less of kids channel then the CN in 2008? If the shows are aimed at kids, its a kids channel, its simple as that.

[DarthGonzo]

I still maintain that CN is for animation enthusiasts, not for kids. Even though their directive is screwed up, I find comfort in the fact that one day, someone will fix it.

That's a really nice thought, rust. But there is nothing on this network now intended for "animation enthusiasts" and I doubt there ever will be again. It's a kids channel now, because that's what the execs want it to be. I doubt one day someone is going to step in and go, "Whoa back up. This isn't who we are? We should be showing Bugs Bunny, Flintstones, Powerpuff Girls and more anime. Quick, cancel all our current shows! We're losing the enthusiasts!"

And maybe one day the guys at Sci-Fi Channel will wake up and start showing week long marathons of Godzilla movies again. And MST3K will return. But I think it's pretty obvious when a TV station has moved on.

[.bg]

Are you telling me this lady doesn't have an info button on her remote? If I were her, I certainly wouldn't let my child watch anything I don't know about and/or haven't checked if it's okay. What was her kid doing up this late anyway if she's so young and impressionable?

And rust, they are not going back to an unsuccessful format ever. That's right - for all of it's coolness and uniqueness, Cartoon Network was never a ratings success in a ratings-driven industry until they switched over to a "kiddie" format. Sorry, but them's the facts.

[Raidon Makoto]

And rust, they are not going back to an unsuccessful format ever. That's right - for all of it's coolness and uniqueness, Cartoon Network was never a ratings success in a ratings-driven industry until they switched over to a "kiddie" format. Sorry, but them's the facts.
You must have a really short term memory. Old school CN is kicking current CN's ass in ratings. If kiddie CN (And by that, I mean CN from 2006ish to now) were getting higher ratings, the press releases would be touting breaking network records as opposed to just beating CN 2007, which just about any line up could do.

[The Overlord]

You must have a really short term memory. Old school CN is kicking current CN's ass in ratings. If kiddie CN (And by that, I mean CN from 2006ish to now) were getting higher ratings, the press releases would be touting breaking network records as opposed to just beating CN 2007, which just about any line up could do.

You aren't answering the question, how was CN not a kids channel back then? What non kids programing did they show, because PPG certainly didn't bring in the over 30 crowd.

[Master Moron]

Name past Cartoon network shows were the main target is not kids? Name one that had ads clearly for everyone and not just kids. And prove it too.


Space Ghost and Outlaw Star both aired on regular Cartoon Network back in the day. Those clearly seemed like they were aimed for an older audience. Though, I can't prove it because I really don't remember what type of ads they used to air.

But the content was always aimed at kids, so it was always a kids channel. Was the CN back in 2001 less of kids channel then the CN in 2008? If the shows are aimed at kids, its a kids channel, its simple as that.

I'm not sure why we're even arguing about this. This parent's main point was that she shouldn't expect adult content to air on a kid's channel. Whether Cartoon Network was always a kid's channel or recently became a kid's channel is really pretty irrelevant. No one has said anything to counter the point that adult content shouldn't air on a kid's channel. I mean, I haven't watched Nickedodeon in years, so I don't know what they air late at night, but I would assume that it's family friendly content. I'm not a parent, but if I was I could imagine myself turning to Nickelodeon expecting family friendly fare. What is wrong with a parent doing the same with Cartoon Network? That's exactly what Cartoon Network wants, isn't it? Parents to turn to their network with the expectation that they will find programming for their kids?

[The Overlord]

Space Ghost and Outlaw Star both aired on regular Cartoon Network back in the day. Those clearly seemed like they were aimed for an older audience. Though, I can't prove it because I really don't remember what type of ads they used to air.



I'm not sure why we're even arguing about this. This parent's main point was that she shouldn't expect adult content to air on a kid's channel. Whether Cartoon Network was always a kid's channel or recently became a kid's channel is really pretty irrelevant. No one has said anything to counter the point that adult content shouldn't air on a kid's channel. I mean, I haven't watched Nickedodeon in years, so I don't know what they air late at night, but I would assume that it's family friendly content. I'm not a parent, but if I was I could imagine myself turning to Nickelodeon expecting family friendly fare. What is wrong with a parent doing the same with Cartoon Network? That's exactly what Cartoon Network wants, isn't it? Parents to turn to their network with the expectation that they will find programming for their kids?

AS is not CN proper, so this woman is a wing bat.

I am merely correcting you, you said CN wasn't a kids channel in the past and I wanted examples for you to prove it.

Now you say its a kids channel now, but they have 3 PG rated shows on the air (and show them all the time), so argument that CN just just for little kids is BS, its the parents job to watch the rating system. I mean you liked Naruto, does this mean they shouldn't have shown because it was aimed at pre-teens and had PG level content and thus is unsuitable for a "kids channel"?

Your own tastes undermine your argument. If you believe that line, then you should protest any PG rated show on CN proper.

[Raidon Makoto]

you say its a kids channel now, but they have 3 PG rated shows on the air (and show them all the time), so argument that CN just just for little kids is BS, its the parents job to watch the rating system. I mean you liked Naruto, does this mean they shouldn't have shown because it was aimed at pre-teens and had PG level content and thus is unsuitable for a "kids channel"?

Your own tastes undermine your argument. If you believe that line, then you should protest any PG rated show on CN proper.
The problem is that those three PG shows are aimed at the 6-11 demographic, not the 9-14 that PG shows are typically aimed at.

And CN didn't become a kids channel until just recently. CN (in the past) had a lot of cross demographic appeal. When it started out, it appealed to both adults and kids because of the classic animation and family friendly content on there as well. Then we got Space Ghost, O Canada, and some other more adult-skewing shows. Once CN started to make original shows, the original Cartoon Cartoons had cross demographic appeal once again; kids because the shows were funny for them, and adults because of the intelligent writing and jokes put in there for them as well.

Even when we got to the Higgens and Samples era, we had still had a multi-demographical CN. Tickle U was aimed at the younger crowd, Miguzi and CN proper at the 6-11s, Toonami for the teenage demographic, and [adult swim] for the adults ([as] was still a block back then).

Then enter Snyder. Toonami was killed, killing anything aimed at teenagers at the network. Now CN is just two ratings ghettos; 6-11 and 18-34. It really is just a kids network now.

[MasterofRoku]

Current CN is not judt gunning for the 6-11 demo, but the 9-14 demo.

[The Overlord]

The problem is that those three PG shows are aimed at the 6-11 demographic, not the 9-14 that PG shows are typically aimed at.

And CN didn't become a kids channel until just recently. CN (in the past) had a lot of cross demographic appeal. When it started out, it appealed to both adults and kids because of the classic animation and family friendly content on there as well. Then we got Space Ghost, O Canada, and some other more adult-skewing shows. Once CN started to make original shows, the original Cartoon Cartoons had cross demographic appeal once again; kids because the shows were funny for them, and adults because of the intelligent writing and jokes put in there for them as well.

Even when we got to the Higgens and Samples era, we had still had a multi-demographical CN. Tickle U was aimed at the younger crowd, Miguzi and CN proper at the 6-11s, Toonami for the teenage demographic, and [adult swim] for the adults ([as] was still a block back then).

Then enter Snyder. Toonami was killed, killing anything aimed at teenagers at the network. Now CN is just two ratings ghettos; 6-11 and 18-34. It really is just a kids network now.

Again incorrect the 3 shows in question are aimed at t he 9-14 demo, just ask anyone who is actually involved in those shows and Naruto was a kids show in Japan so I don't see how its more "mature" then those PG rated shows they have now? They are all ultimately kids show. Plus with these 3 PG shows CN has gtten more of 9-14 demo not less, didn't you see the ratings thread? So that point is wrong.

And really I don't think a whole lot of teens watched toonami, did that really bring in anyone over 14? Teens are over 14, before that you are pre teen and guess CN has been doing better with pre teens because of the more recent PG shows. Toonami showed Teen Titans did that bring in the over 14 crowd? The only legit non kids show you have presented is Space Ghost and that's one example.

Ultimately CN was always a kids network. This seems more like otaku complaints more then anything else.

[Raidon Makoto]

Again incorrect the 3 shows in question are aimed at t he 9-14 demo, just ask anyone who is actually involved in those shows and Naruto was a kids show in Japan so I don't see how its more "mature" then those PG rated shows they have now? They are all ultimately kids show. Plus with these 3 PG shows CN has gtten more of 9-14 demo not less, didn't you see the ratings thread? So that point is wrong.
Your argument has a couple of flawed points.
1) It doesn't matter what's getting higher ratings, CN is targeting 6-11 with them. If they just so happen to be getting higher 9-14 ratings, that's just gravy for them, but all they care about is 6-11 ratings. Case-in-point, Bleach gets great ratings from teenagers, however, since [as] targets the show to 18-34, they really don't give a crap.
2) What does Naruto being a kids show in Japan have to do with this? Naruto was targeting the 9-14 demo in America, and got a huge amount of ratings from adults, albeit it was targeted towards teens. Another case-in-point, Bleach is a kids show in Japan, and CN is aiming it towards the 18-34 demo in America.

And really I don't think a whole lot of teens watched toonami, did that really bring in anyone over 14? Teens are over 14, before that you are pre teen and guess CN has been doing better with pre teens because of the more recent PG shows. Toonami showed Teen Titans did that bring in the over 14 crowd? The only legit non kids show you have presented is Space Ghost and that's one example.

Ultimately CN was always a kids network. This seems more like otaku complaints more then anything else.
Dude, its said in the press releases when Toonami moved to Saturday that Toonami would be targeting the teenage demographic. It doesn't matter what your opinion of the shows was, the network was targeting teenagers with the block.

I believe I also mentioned O Canada. I didn't mention Toonheads or the Popeye Show, but those were both aimed at adults (hell, Popeye was on Adult Swim for a while).

Finally, I think you're getting targeted demographic and actual ratings confused. CN is currently targeting 6-11, and they don't give a crap about anything else. CN used to target a wide variety of demographics. That's the difference between the two eras.

[chdr]

Dude, its said in the press releases when Toonami moved to Saturday that Toonami would be targeting the teenage demographic. It doesn't matter what your opinion of the shows was, the network was targeting teenagers with the block.

I believe I also mentioned O Canada. I didn't mention Toonheads or the Popeye Show, but those were both aimed at adults (hell, Popeye was on Adult Swim for a while).

Finally, I think you're getting targeted demographic and actual ratings confused. CN is currently targeting 6-11, and they don't give a crap about anything else. CN used to target a wide variety of demographics. That's the difference between the two eras.CN used to have SOME shows that appealed to adults. That does not make it something other than a kids channel. For example, YTV in Canada airs Futurama, a show made for adults. YTV is still a kid's channel.

Also, how is Star Wars: The Clone Wars not aimed for adults (or at least an older demographic)? Or TDI? Or 6teen? Or Cartoonstitute? Or for that matter, Chowder, with its adult humor? I can make similar arguments with CN of today.

[Raidon Makoto]

CN used to have SOME shows that appealed to adults. That does not make it something other than a kids channel. For example, YTV in Canada airs Futurama, a show made for adults. YTV is still a kid's channel.
Difference is that Cartoon Network had multiple shows and multiple demographics.

Also, how is Star Wars: The Clone Wars not aimed for adults (or at least an older demographic)? Or TDI? Or 6teen? Or Cartoonstitute? Or for that matter, Chowder, with its adult humor? I can make similar arguments with CN of today.
TCW works for adults, but they really suck at advertising it for adults. Look at the ads on all of those shows (sans Cartoonstitute), they're ads aimed at kids.

[tb4000]

In a nutshell, a lot of people still feel anything animated means it's appropriate for little kids, and that feeling may never change until more animation breaks the mold. Even Fox's animation domination caters to it, because most of that block, as adult as it is, consists of nothing but comedy.

[The Overlord]

Difference is that Cartoon Network had multiple shows and multiple demographics.


TCW works for adults, but they really suck at advertising it for adults. Look at the ads on all of those shows (sans Cartoonstitute), they're ads aimed at kids.

So the commercials are more important then actual content of those shows?

[Racattack!Force]

If kiddie CN (And by that, I mean CN from 2006ish to now) were getting higher ratings, the press releases would be touting breaking network records as opposed to just beating CN 2007, which just about any line up could do.They did. (http://news.turner.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=4155)

[chdr]

TCW works for adults, but they really suck at advertising it for adults. Look at the ads on all of those shows (sans Cartoonstitute), they're ads aimed at kids.And this is different from CN of yesteryear how?

[.bg]

I still maintain that CN is for animation enthusiasts, not for kids. Even though their directive is screwed up, I find comfort in the fact that one day, someone will fix it.
Only if niche channels become profitable again.

[EroSennin]

This is what I got out of the article:

"Damn you CN. I didn't want to deal with my sick child at 2am so I left the comforting of her to you and instead you had the nerve to have humor aimed at adults on. Shame on you."

[Master Moron]

AS is not CN proper, so this woman is a wing bat.

I am merely correcting you, you said CN wasn't a kids channel in the past and I wanted examples for you to prove it.

Now you say its a kids channel now, but they have 3 PG rated shows on the air (and show them all the time), so argument that CN just just for little kids is BS, its the parents job to watch the rating system. I mean you liked Naruto, does this mean they shouldn't have shown because it was aimed at pre-teens and had PG level content and thus is unsuitable for a "kids channel"?

Your own tastes undermine your argument. If you believe that line, then you should protest any PG rated show on CN proper.

A show's rating for all intents and purposes is worthless. Actually, that's one of the PTC's primary arguments for why V-chips don't work. Each network can decide to give a show whatever rating they want. The same show on different networks could receive different ratings.

As for Naruto, I believe it is appropriate for children. I don't really think there's anything in Naruto that kids shouldn't be able to watch. Naruto Shippuden might be a different story, but I think Naruto is appropriate for kids. That's not to say there isn't stuff in Naruto that appeals towards adults, but it is still a kid's show for the most part.

CN used to have SOME shows that appealed to adults. That does not make it something other than a kids channel. For example, YTV in Canada airs Futurama, a show made for adults. YTV is still a kid's channel.


That's not really a fair comparison since different countries have different standards. I don't think Nickelodeon would ever air something like Futurama.

They did. (http://news.turner.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=4155)

That's just one episode of one show, though. It doesn't mean the ratings for the whole network were higher. I was actually curious about CN's claims of higher ratings so I actually did a comparison of the ratings from the week at the end of March for 2009 and 2008 and the ratings were actually higher in 2008 for all three demographics.

[Raidon Makoto]

So the commercials are more important then actual content of those shows?
The commercials show what audience that CN is targeting with their programming.
They did. (http://news.turner.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=4155)
Highest rating for a single episode since Friday, September 8th, 2000. My money is on the high ratings for 9/8/00 being an episode of DBZ.

And this is different from CN of yesteryear how?
Again, varied demographics. They had shows for multiple demographics, not just boys 6-11.

Only if niche channels become profitable again.
Niche channels certainly are profitable. Nicktoons Network is all animation, and they're doing great at the moment. I'm not sure where you get this "niche channels aren't profitable" argument from, though.

[MonkeyFunk]

In a nutshell, a lot of people still feel anything animated means it's appropriate for little kids, and that feeling may never change until more animation breaks the mold. Even Fox's animation domination caters to it, because most of that block, as adult as it is, consists of nothing but comedy.

If you don't mind me asking, how does the fact that the Animation Domination shows are comedy cater to the idea that animation has to be for little kids?

[tb4000]

If you don't mind me asking, how does the fact that the Animation Domination shows are comedy cater to the idea that animation has to be for little kids?

If a cartoon is funny, and this is what I have heard from people, it's viewed to be moreso for the kids and garners their interest more than dramatic animation.

[Master Toon]

Normally I'd sympathize with her, especially if this was around the time [as] started coming on 7 days a week. But there is no excuse for not knowing about [as] by now.

[The Overlord]

The commercials show what audience that CN is targeting with their programming.

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So the actual content of these shows is irrelevant, the commercials are the only thing that matters?

[DarthGonzo]

If you don't mind me asking, how does the fact that the Animation Domination shows are comedy cater to the idea that animation has to be for little kids?

Contrary to apparent popular belief, a cartoon doesn't have to be dramatic and full of action to be adult. Most people will tell you without hesitation that South Park and Family Guy are not for kids.

[Raidon Makoto]

So the actual content of these shows is irrelevant, the commercials are the only thing that matters?
No, you're missing my point. CN, despite the fact that those shows have more adult content than Chowder or Flapjack, is aiming those three shows at 6-11 audience. As such, they are not trying to get 9-14 or 14-18 ratings and won't judge their success based on any ratings from those two demographics they may accidentally get.

[chdr]

No, you're missing my point. CN, despite the fact that those shows have more adult content than Chowder or Flapjack, is aiming those three shows at 6-11 audience. As such, they are not trying to get 9-14 or 14-18 ratings and won't judge their success based on any ratings from those two demographics they may accidentally get.I've been seeing Honda Odyssey ads non-stop on Disney XD. I guess that means Disney XD is targeted towards the car-driving audience.

[Raidon Makoto]

I've been seeing Honda Odyssey ads non-stop on Disney XD. I guess that means Disney XD is targeted towards the car-driving audience.
I didn't bring advertising in to that at all. The target audience (as in, the group of people that the network wants to watch their show) is 6-11 for the TV-PG shows. Content, peripheral demographics, and advertisements are irrelevant concerning this matter.

[Master Moron]

Normally I'd sympathize with her, especially if this was around the time [as] started coming on 7 days a week. But there is no excuse for not knowing about [as] by now.

Well, do you know what the Food Channel airs late at night? Or the Travel Channel? Or the Golf Channel? Or Animal Planet? I certainly don't know the type of content that every cable channel I get airs so I don't know why you would expect her to.

[The Overlord]

No, you're missing my point. CN, despite the fact that those shows have more adult content than Chowder or Flapjack, is aiming those three shows at 6-11 audience. As such, they are not trying to get 9-14 or 14-18 ratings and won't judge their success based on any ratings from those two demographics they may accidentally get.

No you are missing the point, the PG rated Canadian cartoons are aimed at the 9-14 Demo, that's what the people who created these cartoons (not CN) did, aimed them at that demo. So it doesn't matter which commericals CN makes about the show, the creator intent is to have these shows aimed at the 9-14 demo.

[.bg]

Niche channels certainly are profitable. Nicktoons Network is all animation, and they're doing great at the moment. I'm not sure where you get this "niche channels aren't profitable" argument from, though.
Nicktoons Network is in the boondocks of digital cable and not available in most homes because of it. Even $1 in profit would be a victory for them.

If niche channels were still profitable, AMC would only air movies and would never have started airing Mad Men, Bravo would still be mostly Inside the Actors' Studio reruns, A&E would still air only shows relating to the arts, and cable would suffer because of it. Face it, niche channels are going general because that's where the money's at.

[Racattack!Force]

Highest rating for a single episode since Friday, September 8th, 2000. My money is on the high ratings for 9/8/00 being an episode of DBZ.It was the Powerpuff Girls. :sweat:

[TripleS]

As for Naruto, I believe it is appropriate for children. I don't really think there's anything in Naruto that kids shouldn't be able to watch. Naruto Shippuden might be a different story, but I think Naruto is appropriate for kids. That's not to say there isn't stuff in Naruto that appeals towards adults, but it is still a kid's show for the most part.
^This. Naruto IS a kid's show, at least in Japan, but it should be the same in America. I'm sure many young boys watch it anyway despite, but what does age matter? I knew when I was 7 that jumping off a building = not flying like a superhero and yet a 10 year old thought that burying his head in sand would help him become a sand ninja.

But if the kid is smart enough to know that reality =/= television/video games it should be okay. If not, then consider them going to therapy. Blood isn't a bad thing to show to kids IMO... I mean, every kid scrapes their knee, blood isn't something foreign to them. I never quite understood why blood made a show more 'mature'. :/

In a nutshell, a lot of people still feel anything animated means it's appropriate for little kids, and that feeling may never change until more animation breaks the mold. Even Fox's animation domination caters to it, because most of that block, as adult as it is, consists of nothing but comedy.
We already had that era, in the 70's specifically, where adult animation thrived. As you can see, it didn't change people's opinions.

[J!!!]

Uh, Rust.....the highest rating for CN ever before the TDI finale was for a new episode of PPG :P