Toon Zone Talkback - "G.I. Joe: Resolute" to Premiere on Adult Swim on April 25, 2009

[nothing]

i'm surprised no one is talking about this yet.

[Ed Liu]

This is the talkback thread for "G.I. Joe: Resolute" to Premiere on Adult Swim on April 25, 2009 (http://news.toonzone.net/articles/29436/g.i.-joe-resolute-to-premiere-on-adult-swim-on-april-25-2009).

Yo, Joe!

[Scirel]

I hope this leads to a series on AS. From what it looks, It's an actual serious take on the GI Joe concept, where people are allowed to die.

It's kind of hillarious, if you think about it. GI Joe was always a show about war, with the army and tanks and everything, yet even GRUNTS weren`t allowed to be killed.

[CartoonOverlord]

Serious and G.I. Joe? I really can't picture that all, cheesy G.I. Joe has been too ingrained in my psyche.:p

[Tobias]

It was only the 80's cartoon that was non-violently cheesy, but the comic books were considerably darker.

Lady Jaye even got killed off in the last series before the series got rebooted at DDP.

[GWOtaku]

Oh cool, I'll be sure to watch this. In case anyone hasn't seen, some character designs can be seen here (http://i.enewsi.com/g/image.php?aid=&mode=album&album=Entertainment%2FGIJoe_Resolute&aid=13674). There was also an early news & speculation thread of sorts here (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=211174), which is where I found the first link.

[The Overlord]

I hope this leads to a series on AS. From what it looks, It's an actual serious take on the GI Joe concept, where people are allowed to die.

It's kind of hillarious, if you think about it. GI Joe was always a show about war, with the army and tanks and everything, yet even GRUNTS weren`t allowed to be killed.

Well it is written by Warren Ellis, so it only makes sense that it would be more serious:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Ellis

[warnerbroman]

Oh cool, I'll be sure to watch this. In case anyone hasn't seen, some character designs can be seen here (http://i.enewsi.com/g/image.php?aid=&mode=album&album=Entertainment%2FGIJoe_Resolute&aid=13674). There was also an early news & speculation thread of sorts here (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=211174), which is where I found the first link.
now I remember! I thought this was going to be a series

[Kitschensyngk]

I'm not expecting violence along the lines of Black Lagoon or anything, but I seriously hope they don't just shoot lasers at each other and miss every time.

[macattack]

I'm not expecting violence along the lines of Black Lagoon or anything, but I seriously hope they don't just shoot lasers at each other and miss every time.

On teh internets there is a trailer taped on a handheld camera that features Snake Eyes flinging a shuriken into a guy's throat and then stabbing another guy in the heart. I don't think there's going to be lasers in this one.

[Collie]

Well it is written by Warren Ellis, so it only makes sense that it would be more serious:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Ellis

Ugh.

I was entertaining thoughts of giving his a chance until I read this, even with the body count. But if Ellis is doing it, no way.

[The Overlord]

I'm not expecting violence along the lines of Black Lagoon or anything, but I seriously hope they don't just shoot lasers at each other and miss every time.

Did I not just mention it was written by Warren Ellis?

Ugh.

I was entertaining thoughts of giving his a chance until I read this, even with the body count. But if Ellis is doing it, no way.

What did you want from this film then?

I like Ellis personally I liked his Thunderbolts.

[Beat]

Ugh.

I was entertaining thoughts of giving his a chance until I read this, even with the body count. But if Ellis is doing it, no way.

Not a fan of darker material I take it?

The clip looked like everything Sigma Sux should have been. I'll check it out.

[Deadman]

well ill check this out. i hope its good.

[Collie]

Not a fan of darker material I take it?

Understatement of the year.

[Beat]

Your loss.

My only question is how running all the shorts back to back will look. The pacing won't strike anyone as odd?

[Ed Liu]

Your loss.

My only question is how running all the shorts back to back will look. The pacing won't strike anyone as odd?

Didn't seem to hurt the Tartakovsky Clone Wars shorts any.

The original article has been updated to embed the AdultSwim.com trailer now.

[Rick Jones]

This is great. I figured it would just be on the web, I never thought AS would run it. Looks like I'll have a reason to tune in again (besides old Home Movies episodes).

[Plowhead]

Hasbro finally does something right. GI JOE on AS. Transformers should be next then My Little Pony.

[Matt Hazuda]

then My Little Pony.Already happened (http://www.adultswim.com/video/?episodeID=ad40a1817750901f09412c03033b1c76) :p

[Speedy Boris]

Never watched much of G.I. Joe as a kid, but I'll definitely check this out if it's put on ASV. I'm always up for a good action show.

[chdr]

Never watched much of G.I. Joe as a kid, but I'll definitely check this out if it's put on ASV. I'm always up for a good action show.G.I. Joe: Resolute is being put up on ASV the Wednesday after it airs.

[Mugen]

This is great. I figured it would just be on the web, I never thought AS would run it. Looks like I'll have a reason to tune in again (besides old Home Movies episodes).

What? Its airing first, and then being uploaded to their website.

[Ioz]

I just watched the first two parts on Adult Swim's website.

*Spoilers*

Oh, Major Bludd and Bazooka, we hardly knew thee. Major Bludd is one of my favorite minor characters, so I hate to see him taken out, but it is nice to see that Joes and Cobras can die in battle now. Much like the Clone Wars, I'd much prefer watching all the small parts at once.

[Beat]

So Cobra debuts a new superweapon and its up to the Joes to stop it. While the bullets are real and the body count much higher, the plot is reminiscent of the old 5 part Joe miniseries, such as the MASS Device and Revenge of Cobra.

[Juu-kuchi]

So Cobra debuts a new superweapon and its up to the Joes to stop it. While the bullets are real and the body count much higher, the plot is reminiscent of the old 5 part Joe miniseries, such as the MASS Device and Revenge of Cobra. Not that that's a bad thing anyway, since those beginning 5 parters were some of hte best in the series.

Either way, loved this. It has all the trappings of classic GI Joe with a bit of death thrown in for super special awesome measure. Why it took so long to see this style of the show animated I do not know, but I'll take what I can get.

[CartoonOverlord]

Hmm, not too shabby. I like it that they don't abuse the blood and violence just because they can.

Was I the only person that kept thinking of Blue Laser's, "We're going to blow up the ocean!" line from Cheat Commandos when Cobra Commader lasered Moscow? :p

[SuperDudeX]

An excerpt from my blog:

As I said before, the series is pretty awesome so far. The story is decent and interesting, the voice acting is pretty good, and the action is frequent and satisfying. I’m currently loking foward to the rest of the show as it unfolds.

So far,
Overall - 8.5/10

[purewitz]

G.I. Joe: Resolute part 1 and 2 are up on Adult Swim's Video section, right now. Part 3 and 4 will be online Monday. As the article here on Tone Zone stated, the parts are each 5 minutes long. Well worth watching, by an old school Joe fan or animation fan. Don't expect to much violence, but it's violence is more than Saturday Morning. Basically more violence than Star Wars: The Clone Wars, but not more The Venture Brothers. I personally think the TV rating will be TV14, when it airs on April 25th. Plus so far this looks and feels much better than the live-action movie that comes out this Summer.

Here the link (http://www.adultswim.com/video/?episodeID=8a25059520b3d89e0120b49221340025) to part 1 and 2.

[FightingDreamer]

Well, the animation in the non-action scenes could be a little better, but otherwise that ROCKED.
-As far as voice acting goes, I'm liking Steve Blum as Duke (come on, it's clearly him), Charles Adler as Cobra Commander (never thought CC could be creepy), and what sounds like Grey DeLisle as Scarlett.
-As is always the case whenever you hire Joaquim Dos Santos, the action KICKS BUTT. I can't wait to see Snake Eyes and Storm Shadow fight.

[mkalv]

So, how violent would you say it is so far?

[Beat]

So, how violent would you say it is so far?

Suprisingly tasteful. It's clearly adult, but it's never gratuitous.

[spyke]

So, how violent would you say it is so far?

It's on the same level as the original all ages Code Approved G.I. JOE comics from the 80's. In comparison to American cartoons, the action (it's not really violent) is more along the lines (and maybe a TAD above) of shows like JOHNY QUEST,THE REAL ADVENTURES OF JOHNY QUEST,GARGOYLES,the Filmation FLASH GORDON series,MIGHTY MAS,EXO-SQUAD,WING COMMANDER ACADEMY, and THE LEGEND OF PRINCE VALIANT animated series.

[FlyByNite77]

I hadn't heard of this thing at all and was very much surprised by it. As someone else said this is what Sigma Six should have been and what I thought Sigma Six was going to be.

Ellis can be kind of hit and miss, I really enjoyed his run on thunderbolts. He took a lot of minor characters at times that nobody cared about or hadn't heard of in awhile and used them in ways that actually made them compelling characters.

I'd love to see this turned into a longer series with him getting free reign on the GI Joe universe. Kind of a Battlestar Galactica-ing of GI Joe.

BTW, did Scarlet break up with Duke and sleep with Snake Eyes or something? Sensing a lil tension there...

[macattack]

I'd love to see this turned into a longer series with him getting free reign on the GI Joe universe. Kind of a Battlestar Galactica-ing of GI Joe.

I'm beginning to wonder if this isn't a disguised pilot for a GI Joe series.

[Captain Highwind]

This is the talkback thread for "G.I. Joe: Resolute" to Premiere on Adult Swim on April 25, 2009 (http://news.toonzone.net/articles/29436/g.i.-joe-resolute-to-premiere-on-adult-swim-on-april-25-2009).

Yo, Joe!


:eek::eek::eek:

Wait, what's all this talk about this being a string of shorts?

I thought we were promised a full series

[chdr]

:eek::eek::eek:

Wait, what's all this talk about this being a string of shorts?

I thought we were promised a full seriesIt's a series of shorts that's being combined into a movie.

[Paul_Cousins]

Serious and G.I. Joe? I really can't picture that all, cheesy G.I. Joe has been too ingrained in my psyche.:pJust saw the previews on A.S. Hard core, no other way to put it. :evil:

[ajac]

I just wish they made this into a full 30 minute series! That would have been so awsome! When we gonna get a transformers cartoon like this?

[GWOtaku]

I'm beginning to wonder if this isn't a disguised pilot for a GI Joe series.

I sincerely hope so, because this is very cool so far.

Cobra Commander is finally a menacing villain! Hooray!

Obligatory Snake Eyes vs. Storm Shadow fight, it seems...I liked the trap that he set up for those Cobra grunts. It was cunning, it was ruthless, it made sense for the kind of fighter that he's supposed to be. Beware military ninjas!

One small gripe, what's with Duke's dialogue with Scarlett?

"You can go with him, or stay with me. Your call. Make it now."
"You mean stay with the unit."
"You heard what I said."
"Just like that?"
"Just like that."

Extremely unfair, if you ask me, and not how a commander ought to behave. Isn't he trying to take advantage of a difficult situation? Serious Joe fans, correct me if I'm wrong.

On the whole though, this is great stuff. If this became a series, it'd definitely make a Joe fan out of me all over again.

[Beat]

They seem to be re-establishing the whole idea of a Duke/Scarlett/Snake Eyes love triangle, an idea only really hinted at in fandom and an AU comic. (Larry Hama went on record stating Scarlett and Snake-Eyes were together and that was the end)

[FlyByNite77]

They seem to be re-establishing the whole idea of a Duke/Scarlett/Snake Eyes love triangle, an idea only really hinted at in fandom and an AU comic. (Larry Hama went on record stating Scarlett and Snake-Eyes were together and that was the end)


So then the bigger question is this...

Does he leave the mask on? :anime:

[HellCat]

Moscow was destroyed first?

...I think this might be swimming a bit too much in Cold War era USA fantasies. But then, it is aimed at 80s GI Joe fanboys....

[GWOtaku]

Moscow was destroyed first?

...I think this might be swimming a bit too much in Cold War era USA fantasies. But then, it is aimed at 80s GI Joe fanboys....

I honestly hadn't thought of that. Still, Cobra is responsible, so it couldn't be any sort of positive affirmation could it? If anything, maybe it's in favor of contemporary sensibility...in other words not wanting to have an American city get the laser treatment in a cartoon, even one targeted to adults. Then again, it's not over just yet.

[Juu-kuchi]

But then again, Cobra was never technically well-known for the best-laid plans and always had delusions of grandeur. Perhaps they want to just play an escalation game perhaps that as more the world tries to defy Cobra, cities with larger value get destroyed until the point in which American cities are targeted. Maybe it is not in Cobra's best interest to take out American cities first, since they may want the (for lack of a better term) Shining City on the Hill to at least remain where they can take power.

But then of course any other cities getting destroyed may be left to more swimming of USA fantasies. Paris (USA fantasy of Francophobia), Tokyo and Berlin (USA fantasy of WWII), ...London (USA fantasy of revolutionary war triumph). *shrugs* Who really knows.

[HellCat]

They could have destroyed London...but then that'd probably upset the Action Man fans and I think those guys are still sore about A.T.O.M.

[Young Justice]

BTW, did Scarlet break up with Duke and sleep with Snake Eyes or something? Sensing a lil tension there...

Forget the old G.I. Joe cartoon. This Resolute show is more based on the comics realm. On that continuity, Snake Eyes and Scarlett were together. In Resolute, I think they are trying to mix things up and add Duke in love triangle.

Moscow was destroyed first?

...I think this might be swimming a bit too much in Cold War era USA fantasies. But then, it is aimed at 80s GI Joe fanboys....

Ellis wanted to wipe out Beijing instead but Hasbro denied. He asked about Moscow, and they said yes. So, Moscow it was.

But I think it makes more sense to wipe out Moscow instead o Beijing of and big American city. USA and China are the biggest superpowers right now. Destroying their main cities would only create a state of full war, since both USA and China would not want to pay anything and goes to the all or nothing.

The Russians being some sort of a old times superpower could be frightened more easily and serve as a leverage to the real powers to be afraid and go along with the Cobra's demands.

My thoughts so far:

- I like the idea that important characters can die, but I think the deaths happened too early in the story. Let's see what happens to see if those deaths were really justifiable storywise or they were just gimmicks to stand apart Resolute from previous G.I. Joe cartoons as "mature".

- I loved the action scenes specially SE gliding into that island infested with vipers.

- Whew, it was not Lady Jaye who was killed upfront. Let's hope she won't die any time soon.

- It is a shame Bludd got killed so early. Let's hope there's a flashback scene with him, or the series got other episodes with some ones being prequels do Resolute. I would love to see Cobra Island being "decommissioned".

- I liked the love triangle between SE, Scarlett and Duke. It was the exactly thing I would love to see in the live action movie.

- Talking about live action: The series will be much more interesting that the live action movie. G.I. Joe always had a serious tone, i.e. the comics series, and now the cartoon in in the same path. The live action project was chosen to be camp and goofy. A shame.

- I was a bit disappointed about the Moscow wipe out. I thought it would be happening down the series, in the climax of the series. The Russian city destruction seemed gratuitous just like the deaths of Bazooka and Bludd.

- I was hoping that this would be a some sort of origin story for both G.I. Joe or Cobra, but I think Ellis wanted to avoid that because of the live action movie. But I feel it lacks some background for the characters. Specially for the non-fans who are having the chance to get more into G.I. Joe right now. The problem is that audience will know the basics of G.I. Joe from the movie, and not from this excellent cartoon.

- About different uniforms for each Joe, some flame wars potential comment: I'm sorry all the fans of the classic joes, but the realistic, and therefore more mature approach for G.I. Joe would be not to have distinct uniforms. What makes a character different from each other is not the clothes they use, but the personality they have.

Of course some characters would have their distinct trait: Flint would always had his berret, Snake Eyes would always be masked with a more streamlined costume, since he has a ninja background, etc. Storm Shadow would be a character that would makes sense to have a distinct appearance, since he is not military, but a true and pure Ninja. He wears the colors of his clan, not army fatigues.

The other characters would have to wear utilitary clothes, fitting the environment: camouflage, jackets, etc. and/or the mission. The uniforms could be slightly different depending or military speciality, but similar between themselves for a particular mission. It's weird to see Scarlett wearing gray and yellow in a jungle scenario, for instance.

But this is not a problem to me for enjoying G.I. Joe resolute. I'm loving the series so far.

[Juu-kuchi]

Just watched parts 3 and 4. Interesting that Dial Tone is now a cute chick, and that Cobra Commander actually is somewhat successful in sending chills up the spine. Hearing him say "crap" was very... uplifting.

The continued buildup is awesome. Can't wait to see what happens tomorrow.

[Captain Highwind]

I'm on 6.

Nice to know that, even when given the okay by censors to off people ala Metal Gear, Cobra troops still cannot aim. Either their budget is too low to fund proper target practice, or automatics give them a horrible recoil.

[Beat]

I suppose it's something overlooked in budgeting at Cobra every year. You can shell out who knows how much for tanks and superweapons, bur training their troops to shoot always get overlooked.

[maczero]

I thought we were promised a full series
Pass on the word to animation fans, 80's nostalgia geeks and even military peeps to check out the series and we might get a proper series. BTW, I recommend directing people to Adult Swim rather than Youtube.

- Talking about live action: The series will be much more interesting that the live action movie. G.I. Joe always had a serious tone, i.e. the comics series, and now the cartoon in in the same path. Not true. The Sunbow toon by the time it became a regular series had plenty of campy episodes. Then there's the DIC series which was probably just as goofy as Sigma Six. Not to mention, Larry Hama often had plenty of cheesy storylines in the book. You want a serious take on G.I. Joe, then check out the Joe comics being put out by IDW (particularly the Cobra mini-series)
- About different uniforms for each Joe, some flame wars potential comment: I'm sorry all the fans of the classic joes, but the realistic, and therefore more mature approach for G.I. Joe would be not to have distinct uniforms. What makes a character different from each other is not the clothes they use, but the personality they have.True but the distinct uniforms help identify some of the non-descript Joes. For instance, Hawk and Duke were constantly mixed up in the comic. Throw in guys like Grunt, Short-Fuze, and Flash dressed exactly alike and folks would be pretty confused (and that includes old schoolers like myself).

The other characters would have to wear utilitary clothes, fitting the environment: camouflage, jackets, etc. and/or the mission. The uniforms could be slightly different depending or military speciality, but similar between themselves for a particular mission. It's weird to see Scarlett wearing gray and yellow in a jungle scenario, for instance.Agreed and it appears that Resolute is sticking with this idea. Tunnel Rat, Scarlett, and Duke were all wearing mission specific gear.

[macattack]

I suppose it's something overlooked in budgeting at Cobra every year. You can shell out who knows how much for tanks and superweapons, bur training their troops to shoot always get overlooked.

They have to keep SOMETHING consistent with previous GI Joe incarnations, don't they? :sweat:

Been really enjoying the voice work, it's superb overall. The animation's pretty good. I think Madhouse is animating this, just the way the characters are designed and shaded makes me think so.

[warnerbroman]

They have to keep SOMETHING consistent with previous GI Joe incarnations, don't they? :sweat:

Been really enjoying the voice work, it's superb overall. The animation's pretty good. I think Madhouse is animating this, just the way the characters are designed and shaded makes me think so. no it was titmouse

[macattack]

My reaction to scene 8: Jaw hits floor. Hard.

[GWOtaku]

Duke and Scarlett benefiting from a 1980's plot shield: kind of lame. Scarlet's standing there in the face of enemy fire for seconds before she and Duke take cover. C'mon guys! C'mon! The problem with the scene is that it comes off as inconsistent compared to every other narrative that's been going on in G.I. Joe: Resolute so far.

On the other hand, Snake Eyes vs. Storm Shadow: Simply marvelous. They do seem to censor blood in this though, given the cuts suffered by both fighters during the fight. The action itself was just great though.

I'm guessing those two Joes bought it when they triggered that trap set by Destro and the Baroness, and Tunnel Rat also loses two people...ouch.

[mkalv]

My reaction to scene 8: Jaw hits floor. Hard.


Why?:confused:

[GWOtaku]

Thoughts on 9 and 10...



Duke and Scarlett kill lots of people and accomplish their mission. Yay. The chronically bad aim continues, but at least Duke gets wounded in the process.
Zartan starts ranting about the thrill of the kill and then gets shot from behind. Pretty hard not to see that one coming. Good job tying it into the Snake Eyes story by making him the assassin.
Is the point of Resolute to destroy Cobra as we know it? Major Bludd was killed right away, Zartan is dead, Destro and Baroness are captured (those Joes survived, hooray!), and now Duke doesn't want to settle for saving the world and has ideas about killing Cobra Commander.
On the one hand, good...he killed ten million people in Moscow. On the other hand, blast, can there be a mature Joe series at this rate? I can't see how if they actually take out Cobra.
Finally, given that Snake Eyes has survived and Duke wanted him to "be there when we need you," he's probably going to be a part of the attempt on Cobra Commander's life. What fans he has seem to be getting their due.

[Captain Highwind]

If they make this into a series, it will be the easiest voice roster assembled

Blum voices everyone except the women

[macattack]

It DOES finally prove that Steve Blum has a range. :sweat:

[CartoonOverlord]

It DOES finally prove that Steve Blum has a range. :sweat:So Guilmon, Spike, Green Goblin, and Orochimaru all sounded the same?:p

[macattack]

So Guilmon, Spike, Green Goblin, and Orochimaru all sounded the same?:p

Not everyone knows that Blum does all of those roles. I still get people going "WTF" when I tell them that Blum voices Orochimaru.

[FightingDreamer]

If they make this into a series, it will be the easiest voice roster assembled

Blum voices everyone except the women

Well, there's probably at least a couple other actors; Charles Adler (Buster Bunny, among many others) is the voice of Cobra Commander, for example. But yeah, I'm hearing Blum a lot, and Grey DeLisle seems to be all the women save the Baroness (can't tell if it's her or not).

Favorite parts so far: Snake Eyes vs. Storm Shadow (simply EPIC), Zartan getting shot mid-speech, and this exchange:
Scarlett: I love you!
Duke: *raises eyebrow*
Scarlett: Not you, him [Ripcord]. You're a big jerk.
*Duke smiles*

Man, this rocks.

[macattack]

I still think this is a pilot for a full series. This is Titmouse's test to see if they can handle an explosion-filled action cartoon and to see if "serious GI Joe" can be popular, IMO. However, when you're doing pilots, you need to cut costs SOMEWHERE and I guess it would be the VA pool.

Also, I think Tara Strong's in this, the new Dial Tone sounded like her anyway. It took me a moment to remember how closely it resembled her Rikku voice.

[warnerbroman]

So Guilmon, Spike, Green Goblin, and Orochimaru all sounded the same?:p
goblin and orochi do if you listen right

[Rick Jones]

I still think this is a pilot for a full series. This is Titmouse's test to see if they can handle an explosion-filled action cartoon and to see if "serious GI Joe" can be popular, IMO. Had no idea it was Titmouse handling the animation here.

[macattack]

Had no idea it was Titmouse handling the animation here.

Titmouse is claiming credit on their website, anyway.

They're emulating the anime style pretty well, I mistook them for Madhouse's B-team. If this does well in the ratings we could have Adult Swim's first original action series and Titmouse will have officially evolved into something more than "just another AS original comedy studio". Though any studio with Metalocalypse behind their resume is more than "just another AS original comedy studio" already.

[chdr]

Titmouse is claiming credit on their website, anyway.

They're emulating the anime style pretty well, I mistook them for Madhouse's B-team. If this does well in the ratings we could have Adult Swim's first original action series and Titmouse will have officially evolved into something more than "just another AS original comedy studio". Though any studio with Metalocalypse behind their resume is more than "just another AS original comedy studio" already.What about Venture Bros.?

[FightingDreamer]

What about Venture Bros.?

According to Doc and Jackson on the commentaries (yes, I recently became a Venturephile), the show is animated overseas in Korea (they don't mention a specific studio).

[Master Toon]

*sigh* Nothing will ever top the original. Sorry for being such a fanboy.

[FightingDreamer]

*sigh* Nothing will ever top the original. Sorry for being such a fanboy.

No offense, but the original has aged pretty badly. The comic book, on the other hand, still rocks.