CN getting new logo and look in summer/fall?

[Arithmetician]

So you might already know that CN is probably going with a new logo, and possibly a new look in the summer or in the fall. Most likely CN is going to lose the Nood look for a worse look involving children or something of that sort.

What are your guys thoughts on this? I don't think that CN will get the new logo, but possibly will lose the Nood look due to:

1. All the new live action shows arriving on the channel.
2. Contract with Capacity and Crew978.
3. Overhaul with the new logo (not likely)

[CottonSwab]

So you might already know that CN is probably going with a new logo, and possibly a new look in the summer or in the fall. Most likely CN is going to lose the Nood look for a worse look involving children or something of that sort.

What are your guys thoughts on this? I don't think that CN will get the new logo, but possibly will lose the Nood look due to:

1. All the new live action shows arriving on the channel.
2. Contract with Capacity and Crew978.
3. Overhaul with the new logo (not likely)


While I am a little upset at the possibility of a logo change, I am not totally enraged because the new logo isn't too bad and it's not a whole lot different than the current one. As far as the live action stuff goes, I would be okay with it as long as its bunched into either a block or a specific night/day and not spread throughout CN, that way it would make it all the more easier to avoid. I certainly hope that the Nood's DON'T go away, but it looks as if this was a temporary thing and CN will be shifting towards a new look. But what will it be? I hope it's something as enjoyabe as the Nood's were, they really added a new dimention to CN for me and made the network very enjoyable. But if the Nood's go then what happens to You Are Here? Cancelled or repackage?

[PalmelaFC]

I hope that they don't change the logo because i like it and i think it's cool. I wanna make a bet: I bet the noods won't dissapear because they've been here since Summer 2008 and making noods just to throw them away is a waste of money and use of it. Maybe they will make special bumper for the live-action shows or make the characters from the new shows in cartoon form instead of making a new look and throwing noods to the garbage and renewing the look on the website.

[PC!]

When the network begins airing live action shows regularly, I see a lot of big changes in store for the look of the network. I still have a feeling that due to the influx of live action, the network will change it's name to "The CN" or something similar. I mean clearly "Cartoon Network" won't make much sense by that point.

[The Irishman]

When the network begins airing live action shows regularly, I see a lot of big changes in store for the look of the network. I still have a feeling that due to the influx of live action, the network will change it's name to "The CN" or something similar. I mean clearly "Cartoon Network" won't make much sense by that point.

Well it's kinda already 'CN' at the moment isn't it? I'd bet they'll stay with that. They can still call it 'Cartoon Network' in the voice-overs but the visual 'CN' means the 'cartoon' part of the name becomes relatively oblivious.

[CottonSwab]

Well, my question to everyone here would be, who is so faithful to CN that they won't toss the channel by the wayside? I was and still am a hardcore CN supporter and the fact that live action will be aired is not swaying my loyalty to the network, mainly because if they bunch the live action stuff together instead of spreading throughout the schedule it will be easier for me (and you guys) to avoid. CN is still CN to me and just because they are making some decisions that suck does not mean I will abandon the whole network entirely. Think of it as a pizza, some people love the crust while other people hate it, so the ones that hate it eat everything but the crust and cast just the crust aside and enjoy the rest of the pizza. Thats going to be CN for me.

[PC!]

Well it's kinda already 'CN' at the moment isn't it? I'd bet they'll stay with that. They can still call it 'Cartoon Network' in the voice-overs but the visual 'CN' means the 'cartoon' part of the name becomes relatively oblivious.

That's basically what I mean. Since the logo is already "CN", it's an excuse to just do away with any relation to the name "Cartoon Network." And if CN basically turns into a second Nick or Disney Channel, having the word "Cartoon" in the network name at all is fairly pointless.

It's not like having meaningful initials for a network name really means anything. I mean, how many people know or even care what network names like "CW" actually stand for?

[Silverstar]

Well, my question to everyone here would be, who is so faithful to CN that they won't toss the channel by the wayside? I was and still am a hardcore CN supporter and the fact that live action will be aired is not swaying my loyalty to the network, mainly because if they bunch the live action stuff together instead of spreading throughout the schedule it will be easier for me (and you guys) to avoid. CN is still CN to me and just because they are making some decisions that suck does not mean I will abandon the whole network entirely. Think of it as a pizza, some people love the crust while other people hate it, so the ones that hate it eat everything but the crust and cast just the crust aside and enjoy the rest of the pizza. Thats going to be CN for me.

Yeah, Cartoon Network is undergoing a change, like it or not, and it's not like this is the first metamorphosis that CN has underwent; they've already mutated from an classic animation lovers' channel to a kids' cartoon channel, so going the Nick route would seem to be the next logical step.

I'm not a fan of this movement by any means, but it doesn't change how I'll view the network; as always I'll watch the shows that I enjoy and avoid the ones that I don't. (Of course, if Chowder ends up getting the ax, then I will lose some respect for CN, I've got to say.)

[CottonSwab]

So if the Nood's do leave CN and they go ahead and repackage the entire network, what kind of theme do you think we will get? I wonder if the network will even go with an overall theme, they may just use random bumps throughout the day instead of sticking to a character or characters and when it's time for Har Har Tharsdays, You Are Here and Crushzone they will probably just stick with their current themes. Problem is, what happens to the YAH Nood when/if the Nood's bail on us? New mascot? Scrap the block and start a new one with a new name? Interesting side effects to dumping the Nood's are on the horizon.

[J!!!]

Yeah, Cartoon Network is undergoing a change, like it or not, and it's not like this is the first metamorphosis that CN has underwent; they've already mutated from an classic animation lovers' channel to a kids' cartoon channel, so going the Nick route would seem to be the next logical step.

I'm not a fan of this movement by any means, but it doesn't change how I'll view the network; as always I'll watch the shows that I enjoy and avoid the ones that I don't. (Of course, if Chowder ends up getting the ax, then I will lose some respect for CN, I've got to say.)
Who knows when Disney went the Nick way they got to the second place network and this could send CN back up to second.
And relax at least we still got Flapjack;)

[DeanBurrito25]

I sure hope the logo doesn't change-again.
It's only been 5 years since we got the last one, why change now? I'm actually fond of the 2nd logo.

[the KING]

I sure hope the logo doesn't change-again.
It's only been 5 years since we got the last one, why change now? I'm actually fond of the 2nd logo.

how do the new logo look anyway? i never seen it ,does anybody have a picture.

[CartoonCrazy]

how do the new logo look anyway? i never seen it ,does anybody have a picture.
Yes, I'm quite curious myself. I may not watch very much Cartoon Network anymore, but I like keeping track of it!

[ECDT1089]

Here is the new logo. I have to say I don't like at all.

http://ecdt36.googlepages.com/ExecsAtUpfront01.jpg

[PalmelaFC]

Has anybody considered that it's just art? Not really the logo?

Or maybe the logo for the CNReal block?

[yossi411]

Here is the new logo. I have to say I don't like at all.

http://ecdt36.googlepages.com/ExecsAtUpfront01.jpg
ugh.....where do I start?? ....... well we're screwed, I can tell you that for sure. ........... WOW! .... I MEAN WOW! I can say that the logo does sort of give a nostalgic feeling in an emotionally undefinable way but the only nostalgia were getting when this logo comes is ...... oh nevermind there is none, CN is probably going to blow it off with thier live action and Ben 10 episodes.

[Mr. Ralph]

geez guys it's not even that bad of a logo:shrug:

[Blackstar]

Here is the new logo. I have to say I don't like at all.

http://ecdt36.googlepages.com/ExecsAtUpfront01.jpg

It's really not that different from the current CN logo, except that they did away with the tiles and the letters are now zooming in from a vantage point.

Honestly, after learning of CN's plans for the future, the logo should be the least of our concerns.

[PalmelaFC]

It's really not that different from the current CN logo, except that they did away with the tiles and the letters are now zooming in from a vantage point.

Honestly, after learning of CN's plans for the future, the logo should be the least of our concerns.

Yeah, it doesn't look that bad if you think about it. But what we should be concerning is if there's going to be a new look.

[Jayngfet]

The C on the logo just bugs me. I hate how you can't see where it ends and the N backround begins. It's just driving me crazy right now.

[DeanBurrito25]

Here is the new logo. I have to say I don't like at all.

http://ecdt36.googlepages.com/ExecsAtUpfront01.jpg
To be honest, the logo isn't that awful, maybe if they made the zoom-in vantage points shorter, I'd like it.:)
But I still like the current logo better than this. :shrug:

[The Irishman]

If anything this logo looks more 'corporate' than ever. Nothing cartoony about it; even Disney's and Nickelodeon's look more kid-friendly than this.

[ECDT1089]

Now that I think about it, the logo doesn't really look all that bad. I think the reason why there hasn't been any new nood bumpers is because they may be remaking them for this new logo.

[CottonSwab]

Now that I think about it, the logo doesn't really look all that bad. I think the reason why there hasn't been any new nood bumpers is because they may be remaking them for this new logo.

Thats a possibilitiy, there has been NO official work that the Nood's are going anywhere and if this "new logo" does take over then maybe they are recreating the Nood's around the logo. I have seen nothing that has even come close to making me think the Nood's are as good as gone, but the logo shown in that picture could be an indication that the logo is changing, but then again it may have been just a logo whipped up for the Upfront or whatever it's called. Until we turn on CN and see otherwise I am not sold that either the logo is 100% going to change and that the Nood's are 100% gone. I don't care what "history" CN has of doing these kinds of things.

[the KING]

Here is the new logo. I have to say I don't like at all.

http://ecdt36.googlepages.com/ExecsAtUpfront01.jpg

Your over reacting this logo look 100 times better then the plain white logo we have now, kinda reminds me of the old cartoon network logo when it was black and white.

[Mickialla]

Your over reacting this logo look 100 times better then the plain white logo we have now, kinda reminds me of the old cartoon network logo when it was black and white.

No offense, but I think you're the only one who thinks that this logo is better than the current one.

[chdr]

No offense, but I think you're the only one who thinks that this logo is better than the current one.I don't hate it. I just think the change is unnecessary.

[Mickialla]

I don't hate it. I just think the change is unnecessary.

I hate it and think it's unnecessary. They've already established a new look with the current logo. The new logo drifts even further from the original checkerboard logo by getting rid of the tiles. Plus it takes money to hire people to come up with a new logo, why waste money on an unneeded change, and an ugly change at that. But I suppose the logo isn't as big of a deal when you look at the colossal changes in programming coming up.

[the KING]

I hate it and think it's unnecessary. They've already established a new look with the current logo. The new logo drifts even further from the original checkerboard logo by getting rid of the tiles. Plus it takes money to hire people to come up with a new logo, why waste money on an unneeded change, and an ugly change at that. But I suppose the logo isn't as big of a deal when you look at the colossal changes in programming coming up.


yeah..but the plain white logo is just dull...but this brand new one is black and white just like old times.

[Mickialla]

yeah..but the plain white logo is just dull...but this brand new one is black and white just like old times.

Well, the plain white logo isn't their official logo. It's like that on the air, but in promotional stuff the black and white logo is still used.

[the KING]

Well, the plain white logo isn't their official logo. It's like that on the air, but in promotional stuff the black and white logo is still used.

oh,so if this is a new logo then it will be on tv right.

[PalmelaFC]

I hope that they don't change the logo because i like it and i think it's cool. I wanna make a bet: I bet the noods won't dissapear because they've been here since Summer 2008 and making noods just to throw them away is a waste of money and use of it. Maybe they will make special bumper for the live-action shows or make the characters from the new shows in cartoon form instead of making a new look and throwing noods to the garbage and renewing the look on the website.

I hate it and think it's unnecessary. They've already established a new look with the current logo. The new logo drifts even further from the original checkerboard logo by getting rid of the tiles. Plus it takes money to hire people to come up with a new logo, why waste money on an unneeded change, and an ugly change at that. But I suppose the logo isn't as big of a deal when you look at the colossal changes in programming coming up.

Notice any similarities between what you said and what i said? I too think it's unnecessary but the logo isn't that different than the one that's currently on TV. But i want to ask is: Is there any official news that there's going to be a new logo and a new look? What if what's on those photos is the logo that CN will be using for CNReal?

I'd said it's ok to change the logo even though i don't appreciate it. But the change of the look is very unnecessary.

[chdr]

Notice any similarities between what you said and what i said? I too think it's unnecessary but the logo isn't that different than the one that's currently on TV. But i want to ask is: Is there any official news that there's going to be a new logo and a new look?No, there hasn't. And I doubt it's a CN Real logo, considering "Real" isn't anywhere on the logo.

Not only that, but CN Real prototype logos don't use the new logo.

[Rho]

More live-action crap, Worse logo.


Yeah, Cartoon Network is doomed.

[Kuromi_Star]

It's more annoying then anything. That vantage point thing just irritates me.
I agree though, are we really so worried about the logo right now with all of these stupid looking live action shows coming? I wouldn't even mind as much if they didn't look so lame.

[Rho]

Agreed. I'd rather have the crap logo than get a bunch of live action shows on CARTOON Network.

Didn't they formerly have some sort of slogan saying they always broadcast cartoons?

Well, hopefully they'll fail just like Out of Jimmy's Head.

[Blackstar]

Agreed. I'd rather have the crap logo than get a bunch of live action shows on CARTOON Network.

Agreed on the live action, but really, what is so bad about the logo? So there are no tiles. So what? All of the hate for the CN logo continues to baffle me.

Didn't they formerly have some sort of slogan saying they always broadcast cartoons?Yes, they did, but that claim was made over 10 years ago and a different staff was in charge of the network then.

Well, hopefully they'll fail just like Out of Jimmy's Head.In all honesty, Out Of Jimmy's Head didn't fail because it was live action; it failed because it was badly written and poorly executed, but obviously, being a live action show airing on CARTOON Network didn't help endear the series to the fans. If OOJH had been animated, it would have been a bad animated show.

[Kuromi_Star]

The whole premise of OOJH wouldn't have worked if it was animated ether. One thing I do notice is that a lot of people I've spoken to who are into the whole live action tween shows (people in the demographic) don't really like CN all that much anyway. They wouldn't really pay attention to a live action show on CN anyway. Not because they don't like cartoons either but because they don't like the usual CN type of cartoon. If CN is only trying to adapt that type of cartoon to a live action format then it won't work any better. OOJH was a bad show. It was badly written, badly acted and badly executed. CN has nowhere near mastered the formula that Nick and Disney have and they aren't going to with the live action shows they are proposing and that's not a good thing when they could be doing something they are (or were) good at. Which is cartoons!

[CottonSwab]

More live-action crap, Worse logo.


Yeah, Cartoon Network is doomed.

CN certainly isn't "doomed", and in hindsight, the new logo isn't all that different from the current one. Everyone needs to relax and wait to see how the new material is, and if people don't like it then all they have to do is not watch it. It's just a mere annoyance than it is a travesty and people seem to be all in an uproar over something that has not even aired yet, it's really funny to see. Personally, I plan on watching the new shows to see if they are good, and then I will choose from there weather or not I plan on sticking with them or avoiding them all together, but I won't judge until I have seen the material and can make a solid decision on it.

[DarthGonzo]

The logo doesn't look all that bad. I think a lot of people are overreacting in this thread, honestly.

[soundmonkey44]

http://ecdt36.googlepages.com/ExecsAtUpfront01.jpg
Im Starting to agree with the ranters on youtube that CN should change its name to RW or CSN (Corporate sellouts network):p

but i digress its not that bad, but another logo change so soon does seem a tad unnesscary, man CN you just kepp gettin colder and colder, im afraid soon i may be to scared to touch you without freezin no matter how many Watchable & good shows you may get in the future. what happened to your soul CN! what happend to your soul!:sweat: :p :evil: :evil:

[CottonSwab]

The logo doesn't look all that bad. I think a lot of people are overreacting in this thread, honestly.

I agree. I think the screen bug/logo is important, but it does not make or break a network, it's just a symbol to let people know what channel their TV set is on for crying out loud. The new logo is basicly as close as you can get to the current one but with slight modifications, it's not like the sky is falling down and the network is doing this as a slap in the face of it's fans. It's just a logo change. I for one don't mind it, and besdies, we don't really KNOW weather or not this is the new logo or not, they could have just used this at the "Upfront" for all we know.

[Jave]

I agree. I think the screen bug/logo is important, but it does not make or break a network, it's just a symbol to let people know what channel their TV set is on for crying out loud.No. A logo is a lot more than that, and it can make and break a network (or any company in general). It's the very first thing people tend to associate when they hear a company name, even more so than the product itself.

People who say that the logo is just a symbol have no idea what they're talking about.

[Dudley]

No. A logo is a lot more than that, and it can make and break a network (or any company in general). It's the very first thing people tend to associate when they hear a company name, even more so than the product itself.

People who say that the logo is just a symbol have no idea what they're talking about.


A logo design is very important. But this isn't one of those times to get worked up over it.
It's not that big of a drastic change. Their still using the same font they have since the network started, and they're keeping the black and white look.

[chdr]

A logo design is very important. But this isn't one of those times to get worked up over it.
It's not that big of a drastic change. Their still using the same font they have since the network started, and they're keeping the black and white look.Yeah. This is pretty much the old logo, without the boxes.

[Kevin]

Yeah. This is pretty much the old logo, without the boxes.
My thoughts exactly. I don't see what the big deal is. I'm perfectly fine with it.

[Dr.Pepper]

I kind of like that new logo. Its not much different than the one we have now.

[Jave]

A logo design is very important. But this isn't one of those times to get worked up over it.
It's not that big of a drastic change. Their still using the same font they have since the network started, and they're keeping the black and white look.Yeah, I know. It's not a big deal in this case but it is something that can heavily influence a company.

In CN's case, if they ever do something like blue cursive lettering on a yellow background with a smiling face by the side, THEN get worried.

[CottonSwab]

No. A logo is a lot more than that, and it can make and break a network (or any company in general). It's the very first thing people tend to associate when they hear a company name, even more so than the product itself.

People who say that the logo is just a symbol have no idea what they're talking about.

Well thanks for telling me what to think! Some may see it that way, others may see it my way, but to me a screen bug is just a logo, it's an indication of what channel your on. Sure the guide on your TV will say "Cartoon Network" or "TBS" or whatever station your on, but the bug is there as a visual indication. Your right that people can associate the logo with the network, but I wouldn't go as far as to say it would make or break a network. But I am sure you see it different so there really is no use in me arguing it, you will probably tell me I don't know what I am talking about again anyway. It's just my view.

[Mesousa]

The logo isn't bad at all, but then again, I usually don't mind logo changes, with some exemptions (coughSyFycough).

[The Irishman]

No. A logo is a lot more than that, and it can make and break a network (or any company in general). It's the very first thing people tend to associate when they hear a company name, even more so than the product itself.

People who say that the logo is just a symbol have no idea what they're talking about.

Jave is absolutely right.

I think the real problem here is the fact that they're changing it, not necessarily the new design itself. What's wrong with the current logo, indeed what was wrong with the logo the had before that? Nothing! Granted the Cartoon Network has had some market share-related problems over the last couple of years, but that is not a good enough reason to warrant a redesign.

While many marketeers (and executives) see rebranding as a chance to renew the brand, it does so at very high risk. Rebranding without reason (i.e. takeover) is an indication of a brand in trouble OK, so people take notice of the new branding, but what about the old one? People don't forget that in a hurry, in fact they remember it better than the new one. If you can pull it off, then bravo, you'll have a whole new legion of consumers. If you fail, you'll end up like Tropicana, backpeddling to the old design and millions out of pocket with nothing to show for it.

Of course, the longer your logo is in use, the more (and better) people remember it. Changing logos often doesn't build brand loyalty, in fact it destroys it as people don't rember the changes. It doesn't help that rebranding often includes a shift in market focus. Which again, wakens and can destroy brand loyalty if done often enough.

And who says logos have a shelf life? Nickelodeon's is getting awfully close to 30 years and it's still around and is probably the strongest of the three brands in terms of recognition and loyalty among kids.

[Game Freak 4]

Now, I just have to wonder when is CN going to change it's NAME?!

[Silverstar]

Now, I just have to wonder when is CN going to change it's NAME?!

Probably not for a very long time, given that CN has become a widely recognized corporate name and icon. At the very most, they'll probably just mainly start calling the network 'CN' and obscure what the initials 'CN' actually stand for, like with A&E. After all, how many of us actually knows what the initials in ESPN stand for?

FTR, they stand for Entertainment and Sports Programming Network.

[sebas215]

might as well not call it cartoon network anymore...... live action on cartoon newtork god help. hopefully the ratings will drop severely:evil: first toonami now the network's cartoon name itself!!!!! no more cartoons! the only ones left will be total drama island and 6teen cuz they make little kids feel good about themselves inside like they are older. cartoon network will turn into nickolodean

[Racattack!Force]

might as well not call it cartoon network anymore...... live action on cartoon newtork god help. hopefully the ratings will drop severely:evil: first toonami now the network's cartoon name itself!!!!! no more cartoons! the only ones left will be total drama island and 6teen cuz they make little kids feel good about themselves inside like they are older. cartoon network will turn into nickolodeanOkay, now you guys are freaking overreacting.

[soundmonkey44]

Okay, now you guys are freaking overreacting.

agreed, but then Us long time CN/Toonami/AS fans do have some justification in our overreactions, I mean CN starting a live action block on a network invinted to showcase animation is reason to worry. Not to mention as its been said over & over CN seems to become more "Kidified" and decenstized as the years go on, and honestly im starting to belive the whole "CN hates anime thing" even though I don't want to.:sweat: Its true now its just a logo change, but how long before were watching TURNER KIDS instead of CN, givin the way things our going, i wouldnt be supirsed if it happened in the next 5 years or so, Unless they get a CEO heo truly loves Cartoons & anime agian.

[Mickialla]

Okay, now you guys are freaking overreacting.

I concur. I mean, yeah, the LA is bad. But let's not turn this place into a Youtube comments section.

might as well not call it cartoon network anymore...... live action on cartoon newtork god help. hopefully the ratings will drop severely:evil: first toonami now the network's cartoon name itself!!!!! no more cartoons! the only ones left will be total drama island and 6teen cuz they make little kids feel good about themselves inside like they are older. cartoon network will turn into nickolodean

I hate the live action as much as the next guy, but here's a quick fun fact. Cartoon Network and live action is no new thing. It's been on it for around 5 years (and I don't count Fridays or Big Bag). And as for "no more cartoons", I would agree with you if Chowder, Flapjack, Total Drama, 6Teen, Ben 10: Alien Force, The Secret Saturdays, Batman: The Brave and the Bold. Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Johnny Test, League of Super Evil, Camp Lazlo, Billy and Mandy, Ed Edd n' Eddy, Courage the Cowardly Dog, and Pokemon weren't airing frequently/semi-frequently at present (and most likely will continue to air frequently for the rest of the year). On top of that, we also have Sym-Bionic Titan, Generator Rex, Scooby Doo: Mystery Inc, Cartoonstitute and Stoked coming sometime this year or early next year. You can count all those up, I don't feel like it.

[Blackstar]

might as well not call it cartoon network anymore...... live action on cartoon newtork god help. hopefully the ratings will drop severely:evil: first toonami now the network's cartoon name itself!!!!! no more cartoons! the only ones left will be total drama island and 6teen cuz they make little kids feel good about themselves inside like they are older. cartoon network will turn into nickolodean

Dude. Nickelodeon offers a mixture of live action and animation. It's been that way sine Day 1. I'm not saying that CN becoming Nickelodeon Too is a good thing, but there are worse channels that they could try to copy besides Nick.

However, it would be great if CN were to bring in an executive staff who actually gave a crud about animation. As it is, the admen and accountants seem to be running the place, and they can't tell quality from non-quality because they have dollar signs in their eyes.

In any case, animation will never completely disappear from CN, and Total Drama Island and 6Teen will not be the only cartoons left on the network, as was said here before, don't exaggerate. The fact that CN will be gaining a live action block sucks, to be sure, but a mixture of live action and animation is better than nothing at all.

[CottonSwab]

I concur. I mean, yeah, the LA is bad. But let's not turn this place into a Youtube comments section.



I hate the live action as much as the next guy, but here's a quick fun fact. Cartoon Network and live action is no new thing. It's been on it for around 5 years (and I don't count Fridays or Big Bag). And as for "no more cartoons", I would agree with you if Chowder, Flapjack, Total Drama, 6Teen, Ben 10: Alien Force, The Secret Saturdays, Batman: The Brave and the Bold. Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Johnny Test, League of Super Evil, Pokemon, Camp Lazlo, Billy and Mandy, Ed Edd n' Eddy, Courage the Cowardly Dog, and Pokemon weren't airing frequently/semi-frequently at present (and most likely will continue to air frequently for the rest of the year). On top of that, we also have Sym-Bionic Titan, Generator Rex, Scooby Doo: Mystery Inc, and Stoked coming sometime this year or early next year. You can count all those up, I don't feel like it.

Very true. There are tons of cartoons that are currently airing and that will continue to air even when the live action programs take to the air, so we really don't have much to worry about. Again, it all comes down to changing the channel or avoiding CN when those shows are on, thats the only way to really avoid and protest this move, and complaining about how the network is "doomed" and "dying" and all this other stuff is not going to make the live action shows go away. Like Mickialla said, there are tons of great cartoons in the works to go along with the great stuff thats on now, so let's just enjoy what we have and whats coming instead of worrying about something that really is unavoidable.

[Silverstar]

might as well not call it cartoon network anymore...... live action on cartoon newtork god help. hopefully the ratings will drop severely:evil: first toonami now the network's cartoon name itself!!!!! no more cartoons! the only ones left will be total drama island and 6teen cuz they make little kids feel good about themselves inside like they are older. cartoon network will turn into nickolodean

OK, you're overreacting. Severely.

I understand how some people are upset about this, but running around like chickens with their heads cut off and jumping to illogical conclusions that we've obviously just made up in our heads isn't going to accomplish anything but spread unnecessary panic.

The addition of live-action on Cartoon Network is indeed wack, but it doesn't mean that the cartoons will be going away. No one at CN ever said anything about there being no more cartoons on the network except Total Drama Island and 6Teen. That's just groundless paranoid speculation. There are several new animated series set to air on CN: a new Ben 10 series, a new Scooby-Doo series, Cartoonstitute, Stoked, Sym Biotic Titan, Pink Panther & Pals, Adventure Time, and Hot Wheels, as well as new episodes of Flapjack and Chowder. The cartoons aren't going anywhere.

[macattack]

I understand how some people are upset about this, but running around like chickens with their heads cut off and jumping to illogical conclusions that we've obviously just made up in our heads isn't going to accomplish anything but spread unnecessary panic.


Spreading unnecessary panic is what TZ posters live for. You're fighting a losing battle.

Besides, spreading unnecessary panic and running around like chickens with their heads cut off is really fun. It gets addicting after a while.

[ECDT1089]

If a new logo happens, then I hope it means another Golden Age. New logo in 2004, new era. A new logo in 2009, a new and possibly cooler era. You never whats going to happen. So I'm looking forward to whats going to happen this fall.

[CottonSwab]

If a new logo happens, then I hope it means another Golden Age. New logo in 2004, new era. A new logo in 2009, a new and possibly cooler era. You never whats going to happen. So I'm looking forward to whats going to happen this fall.

Whoah......positivity........this is new. I totally agree, let's wait until this all goes down and see where CN goes from there, who knows........we may even like the new direction. So let's say the live action stuff sucks like we all think it will, okay fine, but what if the Nood's are replaced by better and more interesting bumpers and packaging? That would be cool. Also, what if the new logo sparks interest and they build around it and the network begins to really compete and gains more marketshare on Nick and Disney? That would be good for CN regardless of what we think of the network, not that I really care about ratings or marketshare or anything other than what I watch, but still, big things could be in store for CN and instead of being excited for what we may or may not get there are those that have started the greiving process already when it's way to premature to do so. Hopefully all turns out well for CN and it's fans.

[ECDT1089]

We may even have another "interactive" era. So, I'm definitely looking forward to what may happen this fall. Maybe CNReal will have bumpers where all the live action characters interact with each other.

[SuperMegaHyper]

I dunno looks a 50/50 to me, and it dosen't help that the bumps look like the Fall one.:shrug:

[PalmelaFC]

If a new logo happens, then I hope it means another Golden Age. New logo in 2004, new era. A new logo in 2009, a new and possibly cooler era. You never whats going to happen. So I'm looking forward to whats going to happen this fall.

Very positive thinking!:)

[CottonSwab]

Very positive thinking!:)

Positive thinking is a grand thing, I have read throughout the web what others think about the CN board on Toon Zone and it's usualy not very good. They complain about the negative vibes and the spammers on this board and it has kind of hurt the rep, but in hindsight I couldn't care less what others think of this board, as long as it's a fun place to post our thoughts on CN and the shows that air on the network. I do hope a lot of the negative thinking clears away and we see some positive things from CN and have a lot to discuss over the course of the summer and fall, I feel like changes to CN are coming but not all of them will be bad, however not all of them will be good either. Thats business I suppose.

[PalmelaFC]

From the "Didn't See That Coming" promos we see the color bar CN usually uses. Maybe, they will create special live-action bumpers and continue with the current noods.

[J!!!]

From the "Didn't See That Coming" promos we see the color bar CN usually uses. Maybe, they will create special live-action bumpers and continue with the current noods.
I think the color bar will stay long after the noods are gone.

[DeanBurrito25]

If a new logo happens, then I hope it means another Golden Age. New logo in 2004, new era. A new logo in 2009, a new and possibly cooler era. You never whats going to happen. So I'm looking forward to whats going to happen this fall.
Yeah, we might get another "Yes" or "Fall" era! :shrug:

All sarcasm aside, I'm not positive that CN is going in a good direction. I mean, yeah, the new animated shows look great (Adventure Time, Sybionic Titan, possibly Generator Rex and the new Scooby Doo incarnation), we still have our current hits (Flapjack, Chowder, Batman: Brave and the Bold, I don't really like Ben 10 Alien Force, Star Wars: Clone Wars, or Secret Saturdays that much), the Canadian imports really leave much to be desired (TDA, Stoked), and the live action stuff...can just burn for all I care, and it's really what will send CN into a deep(er) ditch than ever before, at least, if it suceeds.
If it fails and it's short-lived, then great!! :)

Also what cool bumpers could CN possibly create to go with their new logo (hypothetically speaking that they use it) that could ever be good as the Noods, let alone City and Powerhouse themes? For all we know, we could get a theme with generic bumpers that say "*insert show* will be right back/is back on Cartoon Network" (if they even call it 'Cartoon Network' after that, they may as well call it "CN").

I'm telling you guys, I'm not convinced that CN is going to get any better.
Not convinced one bit...:sad:

[PalmelaFC]

I'm telling you guys, I'm not convinced that CN is going to get any better.
Not convinced one bit...:sad:

From the live-action shows CN will put this summer i say The Othersiders will be the only to succeed.

For me: I just hope CN won't change they're look but create special summer bumpers and i hope the shows keep as popular as they are right now.

[John Dorian]

If they are, I doubt it'll change CN's current dirction.

[CottonSwab]

Yeah, we might get another "Yes" or "Fall" era! :shrug:

All sarcasm aside, I'm not positive that CN is going in a good direction. I mean, yeah, the new animated shows look great (Adventure Time, Sybionic Titan, possibly Generator Rex and the new Scooby Doo incarnation), we still have our current hits (Flapjack, Chowder, Batman: Brave and the Bold, I don't really like Ben 10 Alien Force, Star Wars: Clone Wars, or Secret Saturdays that much), the Canadian imports really leave much to be desired (TDA, Stoked), and the live action stuff...can just burn for all I care, and it's really what will send CN into a deep(er) ditch than ever before, at least, if it suceeds.
If it fails and it's short-lived, then great!! :)

Also what cool bumpers could CN possibly create to go with their new logo (hypothetically speaking that they use it) that could ever be good as the Noods, let alone City and Powerhouse themes? For all we know, we could get a theme with generic bumpers that say "*insert show* will be right back/is back on Cartoon Network" (if they even call it 'Cartoon Network' after that, they may as well call it "CN").

I'm telling you guys, I'm not convinced that CN is going to get any better.
Not convinced one bit...:sad:

For all we know the new bumps and complete packaging could suck, but to answer your question about "What could possibly be better than the Noods?" goes, well, there could be a hundred cooler ideas out there better than the Nood's, but since we have not seen them yet we don't know what they could be. CN could hit us with generic bumps that are dull and unsatisfying, or they could go all out and nail us with the greatest theme packaging we have ever seen. Truth is that we won't know until we see it first hand. I love the Nood's, I love the current logo, but CN is not above change and we cannot form a true opinion until we see what CN does first hand. If we keep an open mind then we may just like what we see and rejoice in the new look, but if people go into this with a "CN is going to screw this up!!" attitude then chances are those people wont like what CN does regardless of how good or bad it is.

[DeanBurrito25]

For all we know the new bumps and complete packaging could suck, but to answer your question about "What could possibly be better than the Noods?" goes, well, there could be a hundred cooler ideas out there better than the Nood's, but since we have not seen them yet we don't know what they could be. CN could hit us with generic bumps that are dull and unsatisfying, or they could go all out and nail us with the greatest theme packaging we have ever seen. Truth is that we won't know until we see it first hand. I love the Nood's, I love the current logo, but CN is not above change and we cannot form a true opinion until we see what CN does first hand. If we keep an open mind then we may just like what we see and rejoice in the new look, but if people go into this with a "CN is going to screw this up!!" attitude then chances are those people wont like what CN does regardless of how good or bad it is.
You made a good point.
Still, the LA shows look stupid.

[CottonSwab]

You made a good point.
Still, the LA shows look stupid.

Agreed, and I am sure they will be but we at least know that they will generally look like from all the previews we have seen. My comments were more or less geared towards the packaging and bumps, people are already predicting doom for them and we have not even seen any kind of official conformation that they are changing at all, nevermind changing for the worse. Let's give CN some time and see what they come up with, if anything at all...........know what I mean?

[Jiya]

I would not mind if they changed their logo or bumps, that never bother me one bit. I just want them to keep "You Are Here" because I like the action shows they air and it kinda reminds me a little of Toonami.

[Polychrome]

I think the long and short of it, and the source of most of the "panic" lately, is the fact that CN seems to have lost it's way. I have no issues with the logo, but I can understand how some people might see a logo change the way Strong Bad once described: a relic of the Fast Food, Soft Drink, and Bad Sports Team industries. It's something a company does when they, for whatever reason, can't figure out why what they're doing isn't working.

Now, there's a lot of things CN does that DO work, but the suits don't seem to realize why they work. For example, 6Teen and Total Drama Island work on CN because they're funny, adult-oriented shows that deliver what one expects when they tune into Cartoon Network. They deliver excellent animation, good comedy, and are an excellent example of international works as well. Ben 10 and Batman work because they're action shows with a little something for everyone, including a dose of good 'ol Cartoon Network goofiness. Flapjack and Chowder work because they're great comedies that both kids and adults can get into, reminding us the days of Powerpuff Girls and Dexter's Lab.


The Live action shows don't work because more often than not, they're filled with "Me Tooism" that does little to attract its intended audience and alienates the existing one. Sheesh, remember that Rumor that the Secret Saturdays would have its name changed to sound more like a Disney Channel show that did not have even remotely similar subject matter?

Wanna be like Disney, CN? I seem to remember a direct-to-dvd movie they released last fall. It had a moral along the lines of "There's nothing wrong with being the nerd. Quit trying to copy everyone else and get back to doing what you're good at and something good will come of it."

[PalmelaFC]

Wanna be like Disney, CN? I seem to remember a direct-to-dvd movie they released last fall. It had a moral along the lines of "There's nothing wrong with being the nerd. Quit trying to copy everyone else and get back to doing what you're good at and something good will come of it."

I think CN is trying to look like Disney XD. Since they introduced Aaron Stone that is a live-action show, and I think it's the first of Disney XD's successful shows, CN thought "Hey! If they did it, why can't we?!"

[Silverstar]

I think CN is trying to look like Disney XD. Since they introduced Aaron Stone that is a live-action show, and I think it's the first of Disney XD's successful shows, CN thought "Hey! If they did it, why can't we?!"

CN is trying to play catch up with Nick and Disney Channel. They've been doing this since around 2005/2006. Disney XD is no threat to them. It's an extra tier channel which is only available in a select number of homes. Plus, neither DXD or Aaron Stone have been in existence long enough to make a dent anywhere. Disney XD is little more than a fly buzzing around Cartoon Network's ear. The network has bigger problems.

[PalmelaFC]

http://fotos.sapo.pt/mEYtWNjfz28gqZVc0jM9/x435

Is it possible, until there's a new logo, that this one could be the Summer logo? Or is it just for Spring Break?

[Racattack!Force]

http://fotos.sapo.pt/mEYtWNjfz28gqZVc0jM9/x435

Is it possible, until there's a new logo, that this one could be the Summer logo? Or is it just for Spring Break?Huh, this is just a regular old variation of the current one. Doesn't mean anything.

[DeanBurrito25]

Wanna be like Disney, CN? I seem to remember a direct-to-dvd movie they released last fall. It had a moral along the lines of "There's nothing wrong with being the nerd. Quit trying to copy everyone else and get back to doing what you're good at and something good will come of it."

Quoted for truth.

[the KING]

Haha, oh Snyder! *shakes head*

I’ve got to hand it to them though, if you were trying to absolutely destroy your brand this is the right way to do it. It reminds me of Comedy Central when they jettisoned Mystery Science Theater 3000 so that half of their lineup could be bowling shows and Battle Bots. Face it, we lost the war, and history shall repeat itself for the umpteenth time.Wow… I didn’t think they’d actually PROVE they’re clueless but they just did it and publicly too. Sheesh create one show on A&E and suddenly you know the kids market. Whooda thunk it? They need to hire executives who actually have children. That’d be a good twist don’t you think? Every one wants to be the first to follow and not the first to lead which is what’s destroying the kids market. Cartoon Network chasing Nickelodeon chasing Disney chasing itself. I smell regime change after this season which is sure to tank. All I see is lame, lame, lame ideas with absolutely no heart whatsoever. Nice to see Genndy back but between all those lame shows it’s sure to fail as well. A sad day for what used to be a good network. The funniest thing about all this? Last year they moved all the executives to L.A. to be closer to the artists and then after a month of slumming it with them they moved them to a new building with a brand new floor and cut off coffee and snacks to the artists. There’s a GREAT way to get creative.
It’s okay though, they’ll all be moving away again soon enough with this new plan.

[Rho]

I'm not sure if posting a fanmade schedule in here is a good idea, but whatever. This could be what it's like in the summer.
Yes, I think it might get extended back to ending at 11:00PM.

6:00AM Transformers Animated
6:30AM Code Lyoko
7:00AM Megas XLR
7:30AM Tom and Jerry
8:30AM Chowder
9:00AM Chowder
9:30AM Flapjack
10:00AM Flapjack
10:30AM George of the Jungle
11:00AM Ed, Edd, n Eddy
11:30AM Secret Saturdays
12:00PM Johnny Test
12:30PM Johnny Test
1:00PM 6teen
1:30PM Star Wars The Clone Wars
2:00PM Total Drama Action
2:30PM Ben 10
3:00PM LOSE
3:30PM Batman The Brave and the Bold
4:00PM Chowder
4:30PM Chowder
5:00PM Total Drama Island
5:30PM Johnny Test
6:00PM 6teen
6:30PM 6teen
7:00PM Code Lyoko (aw hell, I can hope)
7:30PM LOSE
8:00PM Johnny test
8:30PM Star Wars The Clone Wars
9:00PM Ed, Edd, n Eddy
9:30PM Chowder
10:00PM Total Drama Action
10:30PM Total Drama Island

If it converted to Adult Swim at Midnight..
11:00PM Flapjack
11:30PM Batman The Brave and the Bold

Replace 8PM-10PM time slot with whatever blocks would air (HHT, CN Real (sadly), YAH, etc.)

[Silverstar]

I really don't see Code Lyoko or Megas XLR coming back, even for the summer. Anything's possible of course, but I really don't see either of those shows returning to CN, especially after all this time.

And why do so many people complain about CN losing the 10-11 PM hour to [adult swim]? It's not like they were doing anything magnanimous with that last hour. All CN showed during that time was encores of the same stuff they show the rest of the day. Let [as] have it, I say.