View Full Version : The future of Chowder...?
nakak
03-30-2009, 11:19 PM
C.H. Greenblatt updates his blog mentioning the upcoming Chowder. He also writes about the future of the show (http://nerdarmada.blogspot.com/2009/03/chowder-returns-this-week.html)
You might have seen the press releases of the new shows coming to Cartoon Network. There's a big shift in what this network will be next year, and we don't know if we'll still be a part of it. There will be new Chowders airing until the end of the year, but right now we're winding down production. People get laid off starting at the end of next week. We could still be picked up, but it would be hard to reassemble the crew in its current form. If this really is the end, then it's been a good run and we've had a lot of fun. I hope you all continue to enjoy the show.
clipeuh
03-30-2009, 11:29 PM
So the rumors were (partially) true... :crying:
Hopefully CN will continue to focus on animation even tough live-action is starting to be a growing part of the network... :(
Sounds like the end to me, but hey, who knows what the future holds?
Besides live action shows and Ben 10 reruns...
Yup, I really do think this is the beginning of the end for ol' CN. Only a matter of time before Flapjack gets canned too, I'm sure.
John Dorian
03-31-2009, 12:00 AM
Chowder doesn't even have 2 years under its belt, and after all the success its had....Jeez.
C'mon, CN renew more Chowder.
The Huntsman
03-31-2009, 01:06 AM
C'mon, CN renew more Chowder.I second that motion. However, I doubt that it will do much good, so I’m going to savor “Chowder”. I will enjoy every remaining episode and I encourage everybody else to do the same. It is the most fitting tribute we can give to those who have worked hard to make the series what it is. I just wish things didn’t have to be this way, but complaining isn’t going to change anything.
Comics_the_QB
03-31-2009, 06:34 AM
Come on CN, don't do this. Chowder is one of your best shows and gets decent ratings.
I really hope this isn't true.
Racattack!Force
03-31-2009, 06:37 AM
Well, the execs ARE considered renewing Chowder. But, depending on when they do it (if ever), the show may or may not return with all of the crew.
DeanBurrito25
03-31-2009, 07:06 AM
What? They're winding down production? The show hasn't even gone past 2 seasons!
Don't cancel Chowder...:crying:
Blackstar
03-31-2009, 08:25 AM
It would be a shame if Chowder were to cease production so soon. It hasn't even been 2 whole seasons yet. Especially since Chowder is one of the few non action shows on CN right now.
Raidon Makoto
03-31-2009, 08:33 AM
Pretty much confirms what I had thought before that CN was trying to axe Chowder since it was approved before Fall of 2007.
Shame, too. And they'll be shooting themselves in the foot because of their stupid rebranding.
Aww, man :(
At least the show has 49 episodes under its belt.
macattack
03-31-2009, 10:34 AM
To quote Stephen Colbert's "The Word": I Need A Freaking Drink. To paraphrase Colbert: somebody's gotta toss Snyder into a rusty steel cage match with the man-thing from 300.
This is right up there with cancelling Naruto as one of CN's most asinine decisions lately. Chowder is a hit and the closest thing CN has to having their own Spongebob. the characters are likable, the environments are charming, the jokes are funny, and the homages and references even have adult appeal. This is CN's Spongebob in so many ways and CN is going to KILL that? Why? If you're going to emulate Nick and Disney you already have your Spongebob right there! Why kill it?
Oh. Because the current regime didn't approve of it. Of course.
I've said it for months. The odd episode orders, the delays in the start of the season . . . CN did not want this show to become popular and they've been trying to kill it. And now, they finally decided to do what they did with Naruto and kill it outright, and hope the fallout doesn't hit them in the ass.
. . .
This actually pisses me off more than Naruto, actually. I loved this show.
Yusuke Urameshi
03-31-2009, 12:50 PM
Aw, if CN does get rid of chowder it would be getting rid of one of there most best shows on there station, Its like ranked #1 sometimes #2 in my book.
nakak
03-31-2009, 12:58 PM
Just so we're clear, the decision isn't official yet. CN might pull a "Family Guy" if the show continues to be a hit.
It's safe to say, though, that the show's production is on hiatus until further notice.
Silverstar
03-31-2009, 01:01 PM
I sincerely hope that this is not the case, as I really enjoy Chowder and it's one of the few shows on CN that I try not to miss. But if it's truly the end, I'll just savor the episodes that we've gotten and purchase the DVDs. That's all we can do, really.
Game Freak 4
03-31-2009, 01:43 PM
One must wonder what CN really wants. Or do they even care?
Aww, man :(
At least the show has 49 episodes under its belt.
But that number 49....it's just one less than 50 come on CN renew it for a final episode
One must wonder what CN really wants. Or do they even care?
Before the new managment came they tried to cancel any show that was made before they got in but Chowder's ratings were too high to cancel it................until now
Foxface321
03-31-2009, 04:57 PM
One of their top shows gone naruto gone.Aww man what do they really have left
Silverstar
03-31-2009, 05:04 PM
One of their top shows gone naruto gone.Aww man what do they really have left
Naruto's been off of CN for a little while now. And CN has plenty of shows left and plenty more waiting in the wings....but whether they're anything that anyone would want to tune in to remains to be seen.
Foxface321
03-31-2009, 05:07 PM
Naruto's been off of CN for a little while now. And CN has plenty of shows left and plenty more waiting in the wings....but whether they're anything that anyone would want to tune in to remains to be seen.
Well judging by the CN 09 preview not me
Wind-Dive
03-31-2009, 05:34 PM
Can't believe that they're laying off Chowder. I know it's not official and there is a chance that it might be renewed but right now it's so grim. Chowder is one of the best shows on CN with very decent ratings. First, CN having live action on its network and now laying off cool animated shows. What is this world going into?!?!
blazecat
03-31-2009, 05:34 PM
I don't mean to get off topic, but speaking of cancellation, did Fosters Home For Imaginary Friends get cancelled? I know that the last few episodes and the series finale were suppose to have aired back in February, but they never did air.:confused: Anyone know why?
Mickialla
03-31-2009, 07:20 PM
No...
It's saddening. Chowder was the one show that I thought could rise above Spongebob and become the most popular cartoon on TV. So far it's well on it's way. It's just at it's peak now. Every episode gets better and better. And we only have 2 seasons. Think Cartoon Network, think. Think about all the success this last year has brought you with Chowder. Think about all of this stuff you're bragging about. Chowder happens to be a part of it.
This last week has really affected my view on Cartoon Network....again. Since like June of last year, the network has slowly regained my respect. There have been bumps along the way (improper handling with Toonami, some poor scheduling, the Flicks' movies) but at the end of the day the network was so much better. I felt the executives were up to the job of handling the network the way it was meant to be. Now I don't know what to think. C.H seems to be pretty somber about the whole thing. He notices there's a big shift. Who knows, this might even just be the tip of the iceberg. Even Josh Lieberman says he has no idea what's going on with the network anymore. Hopefully Cartoon Network will realize how much success Chowder has given it and keep the show going. The crew is great and doesn't deserve to get laid off either. I can only hope this whole live action junk will just end quickly so the network can get back on track. But now, even the people working at the studio themselves are doubting what the network is doing. We'll just have to wait and see if the good prevails or the bad.
soundmonkey44
03-31-2009, 07:28 PM
as most people know im not really a fan of chowder, and weather it remains on after 09 is somthing i am completly neutral towards, the only reason I want chowder to stay on the air is because whatever replaced it would most likely be 10X worse then chowder could ever be! (not that chowders a bad show, im just saying that I doubt they could do anything better for a while.)
So unless there gonna replace it with an action cartoon or an anime I say CN should let chowder be! at least its watchable! unlike alot of other stuff on TV these days!:sweat: :p :evil: :D
On that note, Thurop van Orman says that he actually likes CN's new direction, and hopes that CN Real will "get rid of filler" and "finance more cartoons".
The Huntsman
03-31-2009, 07:32 PM
On that note, Thurop van Orman says that he actually likes CN's new direction, and hopes that CN Real will "get rid of filler" and "finance more cartoons".He seemed confident that “The Marvelous Misadventures Of Flapjack” would stay in production as well. On that note, which does better in the ratings: Chowder or Flapjack?
He seemed confident that “The Marvelous Misadventures Of Flapjack” would stay in production as well. On that note, which does better in the ratings: Chowder or Flapjack?Judging by the earliest HHT press releases, Chowder does better. I have no idea how Flapjack is doing today, but Thurop says that the ratings are "solid", and that he's pretty content with how his show is faring.
And here it is, from Thurop himself...
I'm sure it just all depends on how the ratings go. Which I think will be good. Flapjack ratings are super solid, so any new attention for new shows can only help us. If the reality shows go well, CN will just have more money to throw around.
And if they do bad, they know they can still pull in the ratings with Flapjack. So I'm not worried about anything...
nakak
03-31-2009, 09:14 PM
Came across a blog post from one of Chowder's writers (http://alexalmaguer.blogspot.com/2009/03/yo-what-are-you-doing-reading-this-go.html).
Yeah, it's winding down, for now at least.
Racattack!Force
03-31-2009, 09:18 PM
Pretty much confirms what I had thought before that CN was trying to axe Chowder since it was approved before Fall of 2007.If that was the case, then why was Ben 10: Alien Force renewed for a third season, and a new Ben 10 season to follow? And the fact they are pushing The Secret Saturdays quite a bit, hoping it to be just as successful as Ben 10 (they're making a toy line)?
EDIT: No new Chowder until June after this week's episode...
EDIT: This will be the only week with a new Chowder episode until June. We'll be back soon with lots of goodness.
If that was the case, then why was Ben 10: Alien Force renewed for a third season, and a new Ben 10 season to follow? And the fact they are pushing The Secret Saturdays quite a bit, hoping it to be just as successful as Ben 10 (they're making a toy line)?
Because the original did good and they knew they would get money from action figures
EDIT: No new Chowder until June after this week's episode...
Darn well if there is anymore needed proof that Flappy does better than Chowder here it is
nakak
03-31-2009, 09:38 PM
I wonder if that note about new episodes is correct. CN has "Won Ton Bombs" scheduled (http://schedule.cartoonnetwork.com/servlet/ScheduleServlet?action=viewAll&showID=352666&show=Chowder) for April 9.
Granted, this wouldn't be the first time CN made changes to the schedule.
Raidon Makoto
03-31-2009, 09:40 PM
If that was the case, then why was Ben 10: Alien Force renewed for a third season, and a new Ben 10 season to follow? And the fact they are pushing The Secret Saturdays quite a bit, hoping it to be just as successful as Ben 10 (they're making a toy line)?
I wouldn't be surprised if someone was throwing CN a big bag of dirty money (Bandai perhaps?), but I'm assuming they're attempting to finish the AF story before it gets canned for the third Ben 10 series.
Mala Loba
03-31-2009, 09:49 PM
Well, I guess that if it is ending, at least it's ending before it got tired and unfunny.:sad:
Mickialla
03-31-2009, 10:04 PM
Well, we know there's still no official word on anything. There's a good chance the show is winding down (albeit maybe temporarily), but the network can still make a renewal. There's no reason to keep Flapjack and not Chowder. If I'm correct, both are doing just around the same ratings-wise. It's really discomforting that the Cartoon Network employees themselves don't know what direction Cartoon Network is taking. It could really truly be a sign that the network is making a major shift. I mean, even in the past, with live action movies to Fried Dynamite, and even their first live action show, I've never heard Cartoon Network's peeps themselves doubting what the network's future holds.
Anyways, we still have a whole year of Chowder, and possibly more after that. I'm worried right now about Chowder, but frankly I'm worried more about the network as a whole.
The Huntsman
04-02-2009, 02:46 AM
What’s really sad is that, at the same time as all of this, Cartoon Network (http://mb.com.ph/articles/201008/chowder-chomps-his-way-kids-hearts) is spreading “Chowder” around the world, bragging about how it’s a top-notch cartoon that is sure to get the kids interested. If it’s such a hit, why would they even contemplate cancelling it?
Kryten
04-02-2009, 01:26 PM
What’s really sad is that, at the same time as all of this, Cartoon Network (http://mb.com.ph/articles/201008/chowder-chomps-his-way-kids-hearts) is spreading “Chowder” around the world, bragging about how it’s a top-notch cartoon that is sure to get the kids interested. If it’s such a hit, why would they even contemplate cancelling it?
The only thing I can come up with is that they're intentionally trying to run the channel into the ground so they can rebrand it permanently into something generic enough to have broad appeal.
DarthGonzo
04-02-2009, 04:32 PM
Give CN some time and they'll be airing nothing but action cartoons, "cheap" Canadian imports and live action.
Once Flapjack goes it looks like Cartoon Network's in-house comedy cartoons will finally be dead.
The Wolverine
04-02-2009, 04:37 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if someone was throwing CN a big bag of dirty money (Bandai perhaps?)
Which would violate advertisement laws.
Racattack!Force
04-02-2009, 04:42 PM
Once Flapjack goes it looks like Cartoon Network's in-house comedy cartoons will finally be dead.*looks at Adventure Time* Yes, dancing penguins are anything but comedy.
*looks at Adventure Time* Yes, dancing penguins are anything but comedy.
That;s action/comedy not full on comedy like the original short.
Racattack!Force
04-02-2009, 04:54 PM
That;s action/comedy not full on comedy like the original short....You've seen the storyboards right? :sweat:
...You've seen the storyboards right? :sweat:
Well yeah but....but ok yeah it is comedy but maybe it will have action sprinkeled in like the episode "Jackman" seems to have
Dr.Pepper
04-02-2009, 06:52 PM
I seriously thought that Chowder would be around for another few years.:(
cookiedough
04-03-2009, 02:11 PM
I really hope that it keeps going :(. Which by the looks of it, so for it's not looking good.
Chowder is a great show and for me, it's one of the best shows on the network.
Noah The Rex
04-03-2009, 07:54 PM
Looks like Chowder will be over by 2010.
Lychii
04-03-2009, 08:28 PM
Looks like Chowder will be over by 2010.
Whoa there, slow down. All Greenblatt and another writer have said was that production has slowed down. Nothing on either blog state that any of the crew has been laid off or the show has been canned. Since Flapjack and Chowder get about the same ratings and Thurop is confident that Flapjack will stay, I think its safe to say that Chowder will stay too. It would suck a lot if Chowder did get canned though.:sad:
EDIT: Let me clearify, he hasn't said anyone specifically from his team has been laid off, unless his comment was aimed at his crew. If so then disregard my post. :X
nakak
04-03-2009, 08:37 PM
Whoa there, slow down. All Greenblatt and another writer have said was that production has slowed down. Nothing on either blog state that any of the crew has been laid off or the show has been canned.
Actually, from the post itself
There will be new Chowders airing until the end of the year, but right now we're winding down production. People get laid off starting at the end of next week.
But yes, this does not mean that the show is canned. Cartoons (and TV shows in general) always have a seasonal layoffs and a new crew (plus the returning ones) is formed when and if the show is renewed.
Noah The Rex
04-03-2009, 09:04 PM
Look, with 8 live action series where is there room for Chowder? The only reason Flapjack's staying is because it hasn't been on as long as Chowder.
Racattack!Force
04-03-2009, 09:11 PM
Look, with 8 live action series where is there room for Chowder? The only reason Flapjack's staying is because it hasn't been on as long as Chowder.Honestly, if they organize the schedule well, then there is more than enough room.
Silverstar
04-03-2009, 09:14 PM
Look, with 8 live action series where is there room for Chowder? The only reason Flapjack's staying is because it hasn't been on as long as Chowder.
Again, people are jumping to conclusions, which isn't going to accomplish anything constructive.
The live action shows are going to be a block, CNReal. We're talking about a 24-hour channel; there will be plenty of room for animation.
I would respectfully suggest that you and others not make assumptions like the above without the factual information to back them up.
Mickialla
04-04-2009, 12:03 PM
Look, with 8 live action series where is there room for Chowder? The only reason Flapjack's staying is because it hasn't been on as long as Chowder.
Chowder has only been on 7 months longer than Flapjack. And the amount of time they've been on doesn't really play in. Both Chowder and Flapjack are just about equal in popularity; keeping one and not the other is bogus. And plus, like Silverstar said, all the live action shows are being bundled up into a block, CNReal. The most we can hope for is that the block isn't an everyday block, which I doubt it will be. That means the show will take up 4 hours on one day of the seven, leaving plenty of time for Chowder to still air.
Chowder has only been on 7 months longer than Flapjack. And the amount of time they've been on doesn't really play in. Both Chowder and Flapjack are just about equal in popularity; keeping one and not the other is bogus. And plus, like Silverstar said, all the live action shows are being bundled up into a block, CNReal. The most we can hope for is that the block isn't an everyday block, which I doubt it will be. That means the show will take up 4 hours on one day of the seven, leaving plenty of time for Chowder to still air.According to Jeff Harris, the live-action shows will be airing throughout the week (with Othersiders premiering on Fridays, possibly during YAH).
Sketch
04-05-2009, 08:27 AM
Cancelling Chowder this soon would easily be the dumbest decision CN has made in years... possibly ever. Even dumber than putting Toonami down after over 10 successful years. Chowder is a show with such a broad appeal. They wanted their own Spongebob, they got it. They're just to impatient, success doesn't happen over night.
The current management needs to go away. They are killing this network entirely.
Take pride in your own name CARTOON Network.
Blackstar
04-05-2009, 10:07 AM
According to Jeff Harris, the live-action shows will be airing throughout the week (with Othersiders premiering on Fridays, possibly during YAH).
Well, that stinks (about the live action shows airing throughout the week, not about Othersiders airing during YAH). I sort of hoped that the non-animated shows would air exclusively on CNReal, and that the CNReal block would air for only 1 night a week. That way, the live action shows would be easier to ignore.
It really looks as if CN is on the verge of becomming Nickelodeon Too, and the channel will become another MTV or G4 and be a CARTOON Network in name only. CN will still air animated shows, but it will never again be the Cartoon Network that it once was. Such a shame. *Shakes head*
Master Toon
04-05-2009, 10:29 AM
It wouldn't surprise me if they did. CN has made some really bad decisions in the past few years. They've done things with the network that literally makes me speechless. So if one day I turn to CN and see kids with names of cartoons and live action shows on their shirts and about 40% cartoons on the schedule, I really would't be shocked at all.
macattack
04-05-2009, 11:45 AM
Cancelling Chowder this soon would easily be the dumbest decision CN has made in years... possibly ever. Even dumber than putting Toonami down after over 10 successful years. Chowder is a show with such a broad appeal. They wanted their own Spongebob, they got it. They're just to impatient, success doesn't happen over night.
The current management needs to go away. They are killing this network entirely.
Take pride in your own name CARTOON Network.
Not to quote you twice in one day, but Chowder was approved by the Semples regime and premiered during Jennifer Davidson's brief reign. Considering what CN has been doing under the Snyder regime, it's becoming blatantly obvious that they want to toss the shows they didn't approve of off the network ASAP. Chowder is just collateral damage to them. The odd episode orders gives that theory some credence.
The killing of Toonami and most anime is stupid, the large infusion of live-action is even stupider, but killing Chowder, if it is going to happen, may be the stupidest decision Snyder's regime has made yet.
Net1360
04-05-2009, 11:45 AM
Lord forbid if CN follows Toon Disney and becomes something like CN Extreme. Ugh.
Not to quote you twice in one day, but Chowder was approved by the Semples regime and premiered during Jennifer Davidson's brief reign. Considering what CN has been doing under the Snyder regime, it's becoming blatantly obvious that they want to toss the shows they didn't approve of off the network ASAP. Chowder is just collateral damage to them. The odd episode orders gives that theory some credence.
If Chowder is being canceled because it was approved by the old regime, then why isn't Flapjack being canceled? Flapjack started production all the way back in 2003.
macattack
04-05-2009, 11:53 AM
If Chowder is being canceled because it was approved by the old regime, then why isn't Flapjack being canceled? Flapjack started production all the way back in 2003.
You're kidding. Six years ago? This explains some of the old-school flavor of the show.
My wild guess: Flapjack premiered under the new regime. This means they can take credit for all of its success, which they can't necessarily do for Chowder. However, Flapjack is doing poorer than Chowder, so maybe by killing Chowder they think that'll give Flapjack a boost.
You're kidding. Six years ago? This explains some of the old-school flavor of the show.
Yeah, Thurop said it in an interview. He said that he started Flapjack in 2003 after doing some work on PPG, but the show went into development hell for five or so years, mostly because Thurop had to keep changing the final product. If not for that, Flapjack could have been the final Cartoon Cartoon to air. They just finished the first season several months ago.
macattack
04-05-2009, 12:04 PM
Yeah, Thurop said it in an interview. He said that he started Flapjack in 2003 after doing some work on PPG, but the show went into development hell for five or so years, mostly because Thurop had to keep changing the final product. If not for that, Flapjack could have been the final Cartoon Cartoon to air. They just finished the first season several months ago.
Fascinating. I think the TZ review for the show said it had the feeling of a show being messed with too much or something like that, now it makes sense.
Mickialla
04-05-2009, 02:46 PM
The current management needs to go away. They are killing this network entirely.
Irony. Remember around this time last year, give or take a few months?? With the Cartoonstitute, Noods, Clone Wars, etc., the current management was praised so much. Then they hit a bump with canceling Toonami, but ever since the upfront, no one seems to like the regime at all.
Well, that stinks (about the live action shows airing throughout the week, not about Othersiders airing during YAH). I sort of hoped that the non-animated shows would air exclusively on CNReal, and that the CNReal block would air for only 1 night a week. That way, the live action shows would be easier to ignore.
It really looks as if CN is on the verge of becomming Nickelodeon Too, and the channel will become another MTV or G4 and be a CARTOON Network in name only. CN will still air animated shows, but it will never again be the Cartoon Network that it once was. Such a shame. *Shakes head*
I was hoping it'd be relegated to one night too. It would be easier to ignore it. As for Cartoon Network "never being the Cartoon Network that it once was", I never like to say never. My only hope at this point is that the live action passes over as quick as possible. That it gets absolutely no ratings and the network never tries live action again. My greatest dream for the network is that people like Linda Simensky and Betty Cohen return to it. Cartoon Network will never stay this way. Whether it'll eventually get better again (like it did last year) or get worse (like it will by the end of this year), I don't know. But to me, there's always a chance for a better future.
macattack
04-05-2009, 03:41 PM
Irony. Remember around this time last year, give or take a few months?? With the Cartoonstitute, Noods, Clone Wars, etc., the current management was praised so much. Then they hit a bump with canceling Toonami, but ever since the upfront, no one seems to like the regime at all.
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed the switch. Don't you just love the Internet?
Super Sonic
04-05-2009, 04:57 PM
Yeah, Thurop said it in an interview. He said that he started Flapjack in 2003 after doing some work on PPG, but the show went into development hell for five or so years, mostly because Thurop had to keep changing the final product. If not for that, Flapjack could have been the final Cartoon Cartoon to air. They just finished the first season several months ago.
Actually, I remember reading that Thurop originally pitched Flapjack back in 2003, but his pitch was rejected. He received lots of feedback, changed things with the show and then pitched it again a few years later. I don't think Flapjack was approved back in 2003, but other than that, what you're saying makes sense.
Master Moron
04-05-2009, 06:21 PM
Irony. Remember around this time last year, give or take a few months?? With the Cartoonstitute, Noods, Clone Wars, etc., the current management was praised so much. Then they hit a bump with canceling Toonami, but ever since the upfront, no one seems to like the regime at all.
Wait, we knew about the noods in April of last year?
Mickialla
04-05-2009, 11:58 PM
Wait, we knew about the noods in April of last year?
We knew about them in July. I said give or take a few months.
We knew about them in July. I said give or take a few months.Technically, we did know about them in April. The Flicks came in several months before the others.
Freak
04-06-2009, 10:29 PM
Cancelling Chowder would be the second stupidest thing.
1. Airing Johnny Test nine times a day.
Well, that stinks (about the live action shows airing throughout the week, not about Othersiders airing during YAH). I sort of hoped that the non-animated shows would air exclusively on CNReal, and that the CNReal block would air for only 1 night a week. That way, the live action shows would be easier to ignore.
It really looks as if CN is on the verge of becomming Nickelodeon Too, and the channel will become another MTV or G4 and be a CARTOON Network in name only. CN will still air animated shows, but it will never again be the Cartoon Network that it once was. Such a shame. *Shakes head*
Well they do seperate the LA seeing as they call it CN real not Cartoon Network Real
Silverstar
04-07-2009, 08:25 AM
Cancelling Chowder would be the second stupidest thing.
1. Airing Johnny Test nine times a day.
1. We don't know for certain that CN is canceling Chowder just yet, so let's not jump to conclusions.
2. Once again, Johnny Test is run so frequently because it's popular. Any show that puts butts in seats is naturally going to be reran a lot. That's the case with any network; look how often TNT runs Law & Order. It's not stupid to run a proven hit. Anyway, just because Johnny Test is on 9 times a day doesn't mean that you have to watch it. The Johnny Test hate is seriously starting to get old. I'm not even a huge fan of the show and I'm tired of people slamming it.
1. We don't know for certain that CN is canceling Chowder just yet, so let's not jump to conclusions.
2. Once again, Johnny Test is run so frequently because it's popular. Any show that puts butts in seats is naturally going to be reran a lot. That's the case with any network; look how often TNT runs Law & Order. It's not stupid to run a proven hit. Anyway, just because Johnny Test is on 9 times a day doesn't mean that you have to watch it. The Johnny Test hate is seriously starting to get old.Yeah. When we saw the ratings reports for the first 4 nights of HHT, Johnny Test consistently beat every show.
Noah The Rex
04-07-2009, 03:23 PM
www.jhnvcool.com/cnlineup/ratings13076/arod097870 (http://www.jhnvcool.com/cnlineup/ratings13076/arod097870)
and I quote
Johnny Test is currenty in production for a new series entitled "Johnny Test: In The Doghouse" set to air on CN's 2010 lineup. The plot follows a slightly older Johnny and Dookie as they try to rescue his genius sisters from their evil robotic creations.
Creator Scott Fellows says that even though the animation won't change, "all the season one episodes are connected into one action-packed story arc." When asked to comment on Chowder's upcoming cancellation Fellows laughed and curtly stated "Who really cares?" Obviously referring to Chowder inability to pull in consistent ratings.
This really sucks. Chowder is way better than that unwatchable garbage known as Johnny Test. :(
Mickialla
04-07-2009, 03:40 PM
www.jhnvcool.com/cnlineup/ratings13076/arod097870 (http://www.jhnvcool.com/cnlineup/ratings13076/arod097870)
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This really sucks. Chowder is way better than that unwatchable garbage known as Johnny Test. :(
Is this for real? I doubt it.
As for JT's success, it did overpower Chowder in the first month or so, but that doesn't mean Chowder got bad ratings, and definitely not ratings that would warrant a cancellation.
Racattack!Force
04-07-2009, 03:55 PM
It's no longer April Fool's Day man. :sweat: I honestly didn't beileve that for a second, and the link is incredibly phony.
It's no longer April Fool's Day man. :sweat: I honestly didn't beileve that for a second, and the link is incredibly phony.
Which explains why the link doesn't work........
Blackstar
04-07-2009, 05:05 PM
I knew that news was fake as soon as I saw how the dog's name was spelled. It's "Dukey", not "Dookie". There's no way that the network censors would have allowed them to spell it that way, even if the name does have a double meaning.
Flapjack is CN's answer to Spongebob. Flapjack is the only show CN has that's on equal level with it.
Flapjack is hilarious, IMO.
Mickialla
04-07-2009, 06:45 PM
Flapjack is CN's answer to Spongebob. Flapjack is the only show CN has that's on equal level with it.
Flapjack is hilarious, IMO.
Why'd you post this in a thread discussing the future of Chowder?? :shrug:
Lychii
05-06-2009, 11:08 PM
Chowder is coming to an end, but Flapjack and Adventure Time continue in production;
From here (http://animationguildblog.blogspot.com/2009/05/riding-studio-circuit.html). My, this sucks. CH Greenblatt hasn't said anything yet so there may be hope.
I'll probably get flamed for this, but I'm glad Chowder isn't continuing production.
The Huntsman
05-06-2009, 11:54 PM
I'll probably get flamed for this, but I'm glad Chowder isn't continuing production.Care to explain why? I find that providing reasons is a great way to ensure that people don’t misinterpret your remarks as an attack.
I never really liked the show, as I found that it had cliches and bad humor.
And the characters just had strange designs.
Harukuro
05-07-2009, 07:47 AM
If Chowder is coming to an end then it will be a very sad day for me. Not only is it one of my favorite series but, it's one of the few cartoons I watch that my mom actually finds funny. :(
I never really liked the show, as I found that it had cliches and bad humor.
And the characters just had strange designs.
What's wrong with the designs? It's not like cartoons have to look a certain way, let alone look normal. :confused:
Blackstar
05-07-2009, 08:25 AM
I never really liked the show, as I found that it had cliches and bad humor.
And the characters just had strange designs.
I'd like to hear some examples of these so-called "cliches". And the desings were no stranger than those of SpongeBob or Rugrats.
No one is forcing you to like Chowder. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but it sounds like you're just hating on the show solely for the sake of doing so.
Kryten
05-07-2009, 11:03 AM
I'll probably get flamed for this, but I'm glad Chowder isn't continuing production.
Why? How did it affect you?
Silverstar
05-07-2009, 11:55 AM
I'll probably get flamed for this, but I'm glad Chowder isn't continuing production.
You know, this mentality I've never understood.
It's one thing to say "I don't like this show, so I don't watch it", and another to say "I don't like this show, so it shouldn't be around anymore". You always have the option to switch to something else when Chowder comes on, so how is the show's existence harming you in any way?
When you post flamebait, expect to get flamed. Simple logic.
Marvin Tikvah
05-07-2009, 01:07 PM
Well, that's a real shame. It looks like Chowder will never get to enjoy the long life it deserves.
At least Flapjack gets to continue.
macattack
05-08-2009, 12:11 PM
Here's something I don't think people have considered:
Ben 10: Alien Force is being replaced by Ben 10: Generations because CN doesn't want to give the AF staff a pay raise that the various unions require if a show goes beyond three seasons. New series, no pay raise.
I wonder if that's what is killing Chowder. If the prospects of a pay raise terrify CN enough to kill CHOWDER then NOTHING CN produces is going to go beyond three seasons.
Mickialla
05-08-2009, 01:14 PM
Here's something I don't think people have considered:
Ben 10: Alien Force is being replaced by Ben 10: Generations because CN doesn't want to give the AF staff a pay raise that the various unions require if a show goes beyond three seasons. New series, no pay raise.
I wonder if that's what is killing Chowder. If the prospects of a pay raise terrify CN enough to kill CHOWDER then NOTHING CN produces is going to go beyond three seasons.
What cheapos! That's why we need people who care about animation running the network.
warnerbroman
05-08-2009, 01:29 PM
all I know is this Throp is aware of it too
Master Moron
05-08-2009, 01:53 PM
You know, this mentality I've never understood.
It's one thing to say "I don't like this show, so I don't watch it", and another to say "I don't like this show, so it shouldn't be around anymore". You always have the option to switch to something else when Chowder comes on, so how is the show's existence harming you in any way?
When you post flamebait, expect to get flamed. Simple logic.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you don't gain pleasure from watching TV shows fail then you shouldn't watch TV in the first place, since there are far more failures than successes.
Super Sonic
05-08-2009, 08:14 PM
From here (http://animationguildblog.blogspot.com/2009/05/riding-studio-circuit.html). My, this sucks. CH Greenblatt hasn't said anything yet so there may be hope.
Actually, he made a blog post in April about the Chowder crew being laid off and the show ending production, so now the show has officially ended production. There's still plenty of episodes to air (over 20 half hours) and CN still has the option of renewing the show, so it's not as if the show's canceled yet...
And I doubt the 9 episode order counts as a season...it seemed more like an extension to season 2, not a season 3 (to me at least). I think CN just want's to wait to see how the Chowder episodes they're airing for the summer and the rest of the year do in the ratings.
Racattack!Force
05-08-2009, 09:44 PM
What cheapos! That's why we need people who care about animation running the network....That was just a theory, not actually what they were planning. And if CN seriously didn't want to give the crew a raise, then they could have just made the third season longer.
Mickialla
05-08-2009, 09:58 PM
...That was just a theory, not actually what they were planning. And if CN seriously didn't want to give the crew a raise, then they could have just made the third season longer.
Oh, well it still seems like a likely theory.
Tomato Suprise
05-10-2009, 06:03 PM
Here's something I don't think people have considered:
Ben 10: Alien Force is being replaced by Ben 10: Generations because CN doesn't want to give the AF staff a pay raise that the various unions require if a show goes beyond three seasons. New series, no pay raise.
I wonder if that's what is killing Chowder. If the prospects of a pay raise terrify CN enough to kill CHOWDER then NOTHING CN produces is going to go beyond three seasons.
Ok, i know this was under the old regime, but what about KND? It lasted six seasons, with no rebrands. And, if I recall correctly, in later years, it only did moderately in the ratings. I don't think the reason that Chowder may be ending is a fear of giving a pay raise. We should all calm down and approach this realistically. Besides, although I think your theory applies somewhat to the original Ben 10 and AF, I think it was more to sell toys, starting a new toy line under a rebrand every few years.
Tomato
Racattack!Force
05-19-2009, 11:46 AM
The crew is finishing up the last episode as we speak...and Carl is hopeful that the fans will help the show get renewed.
We're working on the last Chowder episode and it's looking to be a really good one. I wanted to make sure know you how everyone's lives ended up, so we're doing a special half-hour story set twenty years in the future. Best of all, you get to meet the kid who becomes Chowder's apprentice! It was actually an idea I had from the very beginning to pull a Dragonball Z, where the series jumps to the future and we follow the next generation.
We don't know if there'll be any more Chowders after this one, so we have to assume this is the end until we hear otherwise. As I was told, CN doesn't cancel shows, they just don't renew them. This summer could change things if ratings are really good. We premiere in June, but I have no idea what week, and I was told there'll be minimal advertising before the re-launch. If we do well, it'll be thanks to the dedicated fans, not the network.
macattack
05-19-2009, 12:22 PM
Wow, CN is really intent on pulling the plug. I still don't get "why". This is the best original cartoon CN has right now and it gets the best ratings out of any original show on the network. WHY?
The crew is finishing up the last episode as we speak...and Carl is hopeful that the fans will help the show get renewed.:D at there being a chance to save Chowder
:) at the series getting closure for the time being
:sad: at CN giving Season 2 little promotion
:( at CN considering to end Chowder in the first place
Racattack!Force
05-19-2009, 04:03 PM
Wow, CN is really intent on pulling the plug. I still don't get "why". This is the best original cartoon CN has right now and it gets the best ratings out of any original show on the network. WHY?The only reason I can think of is that they are worried that the show could drop in popularity, and they would be left with a tons of episodes of an unpopular show if it does.
While it's certainly sad to see Chowder go, at least the crew is able to give the show somewhat of a finale. :\ Better than nothing, I suppose.
macattack
05-19-2009, 04:55 PM
The only reason I can think of is that they are worried that the show could drop in popularity, and they would be left with a tons of episodes of an unpopular show if it does.
If they were worried about that they would not be minimally advertising the show. They'd be promoting the hell out of Chowder to increase its chances of getting attention. The fact that they are not going to promote the show that much shows that CN WANTS the show to take a hit in popularity so they have an excuse to kill it.
CN's treatment of Chowder has made me more disillusioned about the network's future even more than cancelling Naruto and the large-scale infusion of live-action. Because CN has a hit cartoon on their hands that belongs to CN only, and their reaction is to kill it, or at least try to. Why?
Mickialla
05-19-2009, 04:59 PM
:D at there being a chance to save Chowder
:) at the series getting closure for the time being
:sad: at CN giving Season 2 little promotion
:( at CN considering to end Chowder in the first place
I'm gonna change the last two of those faces to :mad:'s.
It's despicable business planning, it really is. Chowder had buzz before it premiered, when it premiered, and after it premiered. It's been said to be the best CN original since PPG, and Cartoon Network even advertised it for a while as their "newest hit". More like "newest hit in 4 years". It gets consistently good ratings and is equal, if not higher, than Flapjack in popularity. And on top of that, they bring back the show and tell the creator they're barely going to advertise it??? What a jerky thing to do. I hope Chowder gets the best ratings it's ever got this Summer, just so those stupid executives realize how wrong they were.
It seems to me that at this point C.H is pretty bitter at CN. I agree with him, the network isn't doing anything to help Chowder. The fans are the only hope. But who wouldn't be bitter if this happened? As said in the "Will CN find a Spongebob" thread, Cartoon Network doesn't know how to handle a potential hit at all. They promote shows like crazy with huge concert premieres just because they have a celebrity involved, even though there's no hugely visible appeal. But when they get a show that gets their best ratings for an original show in years and comes from the mind of someone who worked on Spongebob, they don't know what to do.
Racattack!Force
05-19-2009, 06:47 PM
And on top of that, they bring back the show and tell the creator they're barely going to advertise it???To be fair, Greenblatt doesn't seem that mad. He seems to be at least grateful that he is able to wrap up the series in case of possible cancellation. And as for the small promotion window of a week or two, well, I don't think the show needs that much promotion. If the show is TRULY popular, then you don't have to advertise it every five seconds to make sure people will watch: they just will. Maybe that's what the execs beileve, and that's why Greenblatt hopes that there are enough fans. Plus, when they advertise a new episode of any show, they usually just advertise it for a week or two.
Yeah, when new Spongebob comes they only advertise a week before advance and look how great that show does for Nick.
peterg14
05-19-2009, 07:03 PM
OK, this is pretty idiotic. A show gets good ratings, some of the best ratings for the network in years...and yet its canceled.
I hope CN enjoys 3rd Place, this impatient and childish, "We want to be Number 1 RIGHT NOW" attitude is shooting them in the foot.
Light Lucario
05-19-2009, 08:29 PM
While it is sad that Chowder may not get renewed for a third season, I do like the idea of an episode set in the future for a possible finale. That definitely has a lot of potential for some nice humor.
As for the minimum promotion for it, I actually saw the commercial for new Chowder episodes two or three times in less than an hour this morning. I'm not sure if it's that bad, but I don't think it will get as many slots as the TDA promos. I'm also not sure if it's really that bad that CN doesn't promote the new episodes that much. Outside of TDI and a couple of those CN Real shows, they really haven't started promos for some new episodes of a show more than a week or two in advance.
Daxdiv
05-19-2009, 11:14 PM
There was something about Greenblat's statement that didn't sit well for me, mostly the 2nd paragraph. But I don't know where to start.
Though I did see an ad for CN promoting Chowder premieres in June. At least I seen promos for that
Mickialla
05-20-2009, 03:02 PM
While I know that Carl said the show will receive minimal advertising, I guess I'm fine with it because it's not receiving any more advertising than it had before and a week of advertising is decent. That still doesn't excuse Cartoon Network's treatment towards Chowder.
DarthGonzo
05-20-2009, 05:23 PM
My guess is that Chowder is being axed because it doesn't fit with CN's asinine vision of what the network is supposed to be.
Mickialla
05-20-2009, 05:32 PM
My guess is that Chowder is being axed because it doesn't fit with CN's asinine vision of what the network is supposed to be.
Then why is Flapjack staying? The two are pretty similar in humor, albeit Flapjack's gross out "appeal".
Racattack!Force
05-20-2009, 08:56 PM
My guess is that Chowder is being axed because it doesn't fit with CN's asinine vision of what the network is supposed to be.I guess I'll be the optimistic dude that believes the network will renew it, once they see the show can stand on its own two feet without them holding it up. That's the only real way to see if the show is truly popular anyway.
I guess I'll be the optimistic dude that believes the network will renew it, once they see the show can stand on its own two feet without them holding it up. That's the only real way to see if the show is truly popular anyway.Yeah. According to C.H. Greenblatt, CN will be renewing Chowder if the upcoming premieres this summer do really well. I guess this is so they can pull the "It was YOUR fault" / "It got bad ratings" excuse when they take the heat for officially ending the show.
I guess I'll be the optimistic dude that believes the network will renew it, once they see the show can stand on its own two feet without them holding it up. That's the only real way to see if the show is truly popular anyway.
If they have finale written how can they have another season?
Racattack!Force
05-20-2009, 09:08 PM
Yeah. According to C.H. Greenblatt, CN will be renewing Chowder if the upcoming premieres this summer do really well. I guess this is so they can pull the "It was YOUR fault" / "It got bad ratings" excuse when they take the heat for officially ending the show.They'll honestly be allowed to. They want the show to do good on its own merits: not because they advertised it every single commerical break.
If they have finale written how can they have another season?Easy, they could always just say the episode is a dream, or a look in the future, like through a time machine or crystal ball.
If Ed, Edd, n' Eddy could have episodes after the 4th season finale, I don't see why Chowder can't.
Easy, they could always just say the episode is a dream, or a look in the future, like through a time machine or crystal ball.
If Ed, Edd, n' Eddy could have episodes after the 4th season finale, I don't see why Chowder can't.
Yeah but that's because in Ed,Edd, Eddy it showed that all the episodes were memories of there childhood and happeded long ago.
Racattack!Force
05-21-2009, 06:43 PM
Yeah but that's because in Ed,Edd, Eddy it showed that all the episodes were memories of there childhood and happeded long ago.Well, we don't really know how the episode will work. We aren't sure whether they'll just drop us into this future, or the main characters find some way to see into it.
Kuromi_Star
05-23-2009, 12:51 AM
I used to like Flapjack, but it became way to dependent on gross out humor and I don't really enjoy it anymore so I kind of resent that Chowder is the one being canceled. I think the series finale sounds cool (who wants to bet that Chowder and Panini are married?) but it's still sad. This new regime is getting crazy and even after a few issues (toonami, action flicks, JT all day, over doing it with TDI, Naruto canceled) I honestly thought this could be good for CN.
Super Sonic
05-23-2009, 02:23 AM
I used to like Flapjack, but it became way to dependent on gross out humor and I don't really enjoy it anymore so I kind of resent that Chowder is the one being canceled. I think the series finale sounds cool (who wants to bet that Chowder and Panini are married?) but it's still sad. This new regime is getting crazy and even after a few issues (toonami, action flicks, JT all day, over doing it with TDI, Naruto canceled) I honestly thought this could be good for CN.
Chowder still hasn't really been canceled (just not renewed yet) and the Flapjack crew still has plenty of season 2 episodes to complete, so why would you expect them to be ending production if they were producing their season 2 episodes at a later time than the people at Chowder? If Chowder doesn't get renewed by the time season 2 and those additional episodes have all aired, I wouldn't be surprised to see the same thing happen to Flapjack once they're done with their season 2 episodes.
Kuromi_Star
05-23-2009, 05:22 PM
Well it would be even stupider for CN not to renew Flapjack and Chowder rather then just Flapjack despite what I think. Then all they have is Ben 10, TSS and TDI/TDA.
Racattack!Force
06-01-2009, 06:42 PM
C.H. Greenblatt is totally convinced that Cartoon Network isn't planning to pick up the series, since neither Chowder or Flapjack is mentioned on the "This Summer" page. For the record: Batman: Brave/Bold, TSS, and Ben 10 all have new seasons coming up (26 episodes, 10 episodes, and 18 episodes), and they aren't mentioned either.
"This Summer" is to advertise the new shows not the old ones.
John Dorian
06-01-2009, 08:08 PM
Except The Clone Wars.
Except The Clone Wars.
Except....Clone Wars has that Decoded thing going on so that's why it's there.
Kuromi_Star
06-02-2009, 12:10 AM
Except....Clone Wars has that Decoded thing going on so that's why it's there.
I can't be the only one who finds that annoying right?
Hey maybe we can make Chowder a cult hit a la Invader Zim and at the very least make them feel like crap for canceling it.
90's ComeBack
06-02-2009, 04:11 AM
I can't be the only one who finds that annoying right?
Hey maybe we can make Chowder a cult hit a la Invader Zim and at the very least make them feel like crap for canceling it.
Would you really want that? Invader Zim's fanbase is not the very good.:sad:
I told a couple of my friends to watch the new eps hopefully every number for vewings matter.
Kuromi_Star
06-02-2009, 08:24 PM
Call them what you want they are still a fanbase, plus plenty of people (like me) actually loved the show when it was on and didn't just go buy notebooks from Hot Topic. If Chowder has to have an early death I think that we shouldn't just forget it because CN didn't know how to treat it.
Super Sonic
06-03-2009, 06:34 PM
I told a couple of my friends to watch the new eps hopefully every number for vewings matter.
If they don't have Nielsen boxes it really won't matter. :sad:
Zipp_Rezzeppa
06-03-2009, 08:48 PM
Would you really want that? Invader Zim's fanbase is not the very good.:sad:
Is not the very good? What does that even mean? I don't know what trauma Invader Zim fans have caused you to make such a broad negative generalization, but some of us grew up with Zim and liked the show well before any trendy bastardization of it.
As far as chowder goes.........it would be a real shame if its not renewed. I always look forward to new episodes, and watch reruns when I can find them. No Chowder is just one less reason to watch CN.
CottonSwab
06-03-2009, 09:13 PM
If they don't have Nielsen boxes it really won't matter. :sad:
Blah, ratings tick me off so much. If you don't have a Neilson box or a subscription box which contains a Neislon chip then it's like you don't even count when it comes to ratings. So lets takes a show like "Chowder" and let's say for the sake of argument that the show gets a 2.0 rating, that is equal to a certain number and then you have an "answer" as to how many people "watched" the show. Problem is, how many people actually have these chips or boxes? So let's say that 3 million people are recorded as have watched "Chowder" on a Thursday night, how many millions upon millions of people watched "Chowder" who didn't have the box? Nobody should judge a show based on what a limited ammount of people are watching, it makes no sense to me. But I'm no network executive and if big dollar companies are willing to pay for their product to be commercialized during a "highly watched" show then I guess thats up to them. But just because a show pulls in something like a 0.4 rating, that does not mean that a lot of people are not watching it and a lot of good shows have come and gone due to this system, so maybe in essense they are not making money for the network or something, I don't know, but still, I have a hard time with a show being deemed "unpopular" because of this Neilson system.
90's ComeBack
06-03-2009, 11:20 PM
Is not the very good? What does that even mean? I don't know what trauma Invader Zim fans have caused you to make such a broad negative generalization, but some of us grew up with Zim and liked the show well before any trendy bastardization of it.
As far as chowder goes.........it would be a real shame if its not renewed. I always look forward to new episodes, and watch reruns when I can find them. No Chowder is just one less reason to watch CN.
I meant not 'that' very good. I was talking about how most of it's fanbase is surrounded by teenage goth girls. Trauma? lol I was just talking about how the show's merchandising at hot topic got fans that became annoying. I should have not have been so general because Invader Zim is serious business with some people.:shrug:
Wow I never knew about Nielsen boxes so I guess chowder might not come back.
Kuromi_Star
06-03-2009, 11:50 PM
That type of fanbase is the same one that would like Jhonen Vasquez's other works. It's a good fit, it's not like IZ was Sponge Bob or anything like that who did you expect to like it?
And yeah since the only 2 people not on the internet seem to be the ones with the Neilson's boxes there might not be too much hope.
Daxdiv
06-04-2009, 04:12 AM
I meant not 'that' very good. I was talking about how most of it's fanbase is surrounded by teenage goth girls. Trauma? lol I was just talking about how the show's merchandising at hot topic got fans that became annoying. I should have not have been so general because Invader Zim is serious business with some people.:shrug:
You are aware that generalization is a bad thing, right?
I'm still surprised that a series that has been cancel still gets a steady merchandise deal from time to time. I wonder if Chowder will reach that level of fame to do so. Since I know they have shirts for Chowder at HT last time I went.
Wow I never knew about Nielsen boxes so I guess chowder might not come back.
Unfortunately so. Unless people are apart of those Nielsen families, and a part of a certain age range, they don't care if you watch the show as well. You can still watch it for it's last "HOO-RAH!" and that is all you can do.
Zipp_Rezzeppa
06-04-2009, 07:31 AM
I meant not 'that' very good. I was talking about how most of it's fanbase is surrounded by teenage goth girls. Trauma? lol I was just talking about how the show's merchandising at hot topic got fans that became annoying. I should have not have been so general because Invader Zim is serious business with some people.:shrug:
Wow I never knew about Nielsen boxes so I guess chowder might not come back.
You meant this, you meant that. Funny, from your original statement involving IZ there is no way anyone could have guessed any of that is what you meant. In future posts, if you mean to say something....how about actually saying it. Besides, most of the fanbase is not surrounded by teenage goth girls. Just because YOU see some teenage goth girls walking out of Hot Topic with IZ stuff doesn't mean that is MOST of the fanbase.
Racattack!Force
06-04-2009, 12:33 PM
I'm just going to wait for this week's ratings, to see if they were good or not. If they were good, then CN might consider renewing it.
Mickialla
06-04-2009, 03:01 PM
I'm just going to wait for this week's ratings, to see if they were good or not. If they were good, then CN might consider renewing it.
Me too, but what Jay said got me worried.
And now I'm worried about Flapjack too.
Blackstar
06-04-2009, 03:05 PM
Me too, but what Jay said got me worried.
And now I'm worried about Flapjack too.
Admittedly, the news that CN has basically turned it's back on animated comedies doesn't exactly fill me with sunshine and enthusiasm. If both Chowder and Flapjack disappear from the channel, then CN will basically be dead to me except for Friday nights when You Are Here is on.
Things may (and likely will) improve at CN in time, but right now, things are looking pretty bad, I have to say.
Mickialla
06-04-2009, 03:09 PM
Admittedly, the news that CN has basically turned it's back on animated comedies doesn't exactly fill me with sunshine and enthusiasm. If both Chowder and Flapjack disappear from the channel, then CN will basically be dead to me except for Friday nights when You Are Here is on.
Things may (and likely will) improve at CN in time, but right now, things are looking pretty bad, I have to say.
The only hope I have at this point is that Adventure Time will knock some long-needed sense into the suits' hollow heads.
I'm just going to wait for this week's ratings, to see if they were good or not. If they were good, then CN might consider renewing it.
About the ratings, TV By The Numbers (http://twitter.com/TVbytheNumbers) has full access to Neilsen ratings, and reveals ratings by request on their Twitter account. I'm thinking of asking for the Festival's individual ratings, and then week-by-week comparisons of CN Real / HHT / YAH to come up with a big, conclusive graph of where everything is ratings-wise by the end of the summer.
Racattack!Force
06-04-2009, 07:43 PM
About the ratings, TV By The Numbers (http://twitter.com/TVbytheNumbers) has full access to Neilsen ratings, and reveals ratings by request on their Twitter account. I'm thinking of asking for the Festival's individual ratings, and then week-by-week comparisons of CN Real / HHT / YAH to come up with a big, conclusive graph of where everything is ratings-wise by the end of the summer.That would be pretty awesome.
Mickialla
06-04-2009, 08:28 PM
About the ratings, TV By The Numbers (http://twitter.com/TVbytheNumbers) has full access to Neilsen ratings, and reveals ratings by request on their Twitter account. I'm thinking of asking for the Festival's individual ratings, and then week-by-week comparisons of CN Real / HHT / YAH to come up with a big, conclusive graph of where everything is ratings-wise by the end of the summer.
That would help a lot for ratings analysis, especially since we don't usually get access to ratings of any day of the week or unless Cartoon Network releases a statement.
How many times has CN cancelled a show because they were changing directions anyways? I'm just wondering.
OnePark
06-06-2009, 10:58 PM
Sorry, I know this has asked before, but I feel the need to ask again. Is the series future still up in the air? Because this:
http://news.toonzone.net/articles/29112/animation-news-from-the-2009-cartoon-network-upfront-updated-1257-pm-with-images
Seems like confirmation of return, or is that just the episodes for this summer?
{Shadow}
06-07-2009, 01:09 AM
Sorry, I know this has asked before, but I feel the need to ask again. Is the series future still up in the air? Because this:
http://news.toonzone.net/articles/29112/animation-news-from-the-2009-cartoon-network-upfront-updated-1257-pm-with-images
Seems like confirmation of return, or is that just the episodes for this summer?
That's just for the new summer episodes, which will actually last through the end of the year. The show's fate hasn't been confirmed one way or the other yet.
Bunai
06-07-2009, 10:10 PM
:( well that's sad.
I can't blame CN. I blame who ever is running CN currently. Clearly they want money for the network, and basically feel that the Animation potion, is not bringing in the dough.
The Wolverine
06-08-2009, 07:37 PM
:( well that's sad.
I can't blame CN. I blame who ever is running CN currently. Clearly they want money for the network, and basically feel that the Animation potion, is not bring in the dough.
That's what a bad economy does, I'm afraid.
Mickialla
06-13-2009, 07:16 PM
This doesn't directly have to do with Chowder's future, but it does have to do with CN shift from comedy to action, which Chowder is a part of.
Cartoon Network Block Party, Cartoon Network's comic book showcasing its comedy characters is ending next month. Cartoon Network Action Pack, which showcases the action shows, is continuing. Maybe it's a coincidence, but it's weird that the action comic continues on while the comedy comic is getting cancelled, and sort of strengthens the argument that Cartoon Network doesn't really care any more about comedy. I believe that there'll always be comedy on CN, but it's clear they care about edgy action/reality/junk more. Not that action is junk, but when it's the only thing on the network, it becomes more susceptible to becoming junk, IMO.
Block Party, which has been rebranded a few times since it originally started about a decade ago as "Cartoon Cartoons", still featured stories of characters like Dexter, PPG, EEnE and Grim Adventures alongside the newer shows like Gym Partner, Lazlo, and Foster's. The newest show to feature stories in Block Party was Chowder. Flapjack hasn't had any comics in Block Party, and in the final issue, the cover of which shows a plethora of Cartoon Network characters from Dexter to PPG and Foster's to Lazlo, characters from Chowder are featured and characters from Flapjack aren't.
http://dccomics.com/media/product/1/2/12135_180x270.jpg
Maybe I'm looking too deep into things, but when I looked at this picture, it said to me in my mind, "Cartoon Network's past is saying goodbye to us, and Chowder's there." Cartoon Network sees Chowder as a part of its past and, for some reason, not Flapjack. Somewhere between Chowder and Flapjack the line between past and present was drawn and Flapjack is on the present side. This is no way shows how Chowder is getting the boot and Flapjack isn't, it's just something I thought about and wanted to share...
Maybe I'm looking too deep into things, but when I looked at this picture, it said to me in my mind, "Cartoon Network's past is saying goodbye to us, and Chowder's there." Cartoon Network sees Chowder as a part of its past and, for some reason, not Flapjack. Somewhere between Chowder and Flapjack the line between past and present was drawn and Flapjack is on the present side. This is no way shows how Chowder is getting the boot and Flapjack isn't, it's just something I thought about and wanted to share...What boggles me the most about this is that Flapjack is actually older than Chowder, with production starting all the way back in the early 00s. I guess Snyder considers anything that premiered before him as "old".
Mickialla
06-13-2009, 07:45 PM
What boggles me the most about this is that Flapjack is actually older than Chowder, with production starting all the way back in the early 00s. I guess Snyder considers anything that premiered before him as "old".
Flapjack was in pre-development for ages. It never actually began official development (i.e production of a pilot) until 2007-ish. Still not Snyder's time, but whatever. Thurop went through multiple rejected pitches and recreating the characters since 2002-2003 until we got the current version of Flapjack.
Raidon Makoto
06-13-2009, 09:40 PM
http://dccomics.com/media/product/1/2/12135_180x270.jpg
Wow, having the Powerpuff Girls front and center bowing is kind of touching, since they were CN's biggest property back in the day. Its kind of a sad image, actually. I think I'll have to pick that up.
Why is Jack in there? Samurai Jack was an action show. :P
The Wolverine
06-13-2009, 09:47 PM
Why is Jack in there? Samurai Jack was an action show. :P
Could be the same reason Codename: Kids Next Door will move from Block Party to Cartoon Network Action Pack.
Only, I haven't figured out that reason yet.
veemonjosh
06-13-2009, 10:16 PM
Why is Jack in there? Samurai Jack was an action show. :P
Looks more like Professor Utonium to me. Actually, has Chowder even appeared in Block Party? I haven't been paying attention to the comic lately, and when I do they seem to have Gym Partner on the cover.
I might pick up that issue because of how nostalgic and sad that cover makes me. Between this and the Ed Edd n Eddy movie, our generation's representation on CN is in it's twilight hours...
If it wasn't for the fact that I'm such a fan of CN's action cartoons and look forward to their upcoming shows, I'd start considering abandoning it even more than I have before.
Edit: Just looked it up, and last month's issue (the one on racks right now) has a Chowder story and he was featured on the cover.
Mickialla
06-13-2009, 10:16 PM
Why is Jack in there? Samurai Jack was an action show. :P
I don't see Jack, maybe you're looking at Professor Utonium.
Raidon Makoto
06-13-2009, 11:12 PM
I don't see Jack, maybe you're looking at Professor Utonium.
Oh, you are right. Thought that was Jack. :sweat:
Taco Wiz
06-13-2009, 11:33 PM
Would you really want that? Invader Zim's fanbase is not the very good.:sad:
Hello. I'm an Invader ZIM fan with self-esteem problems. Being insulted makes me feel great. :mad:
Please...stop making generalizations. At least this isn't as bad as people who made fun of my religion.
macattack
06-14-2009, 01:45 AM
So the action comic book continues but the comedic one is done . . . okay, then. This adds another correlation to the "CN no longer cares about animated comedy" rumor.
I can't help but feel the upcoming EEE movie will be the final stand for traditional CN comedy.
The Wolverine
06-14-2009, 02:36 AM
So the action comic book continues but the comedic one is done . . . okay, then. This adds another correlation to the "CN no longer cares about animated comedy" rumor.
I can't help but feel the upcoming EEE movie will be the final stand for traditional CN comedy.
Maybe it's just me, but... I fail to see how this adds anything to your silly conspiracy theory.
thefreak985
06-14-2009, 03:07 AM
Maybe it's just me, but... I fail to see how this adds anything to your silly conspiracy theory.
its easy
Action comic stays while comedy comic is gone
Action is the mainCN originals on the network
Action is the Friday night block
Chowder is about to be cancelled
Comedy shows are mainly imports now
Cartoonstitute ended after only 13 shorts
By the end of the year is chowder is gone, you'll have Adventure time, and Flapjack as the only CN original comedy's.
And with Symbionic Titan and Generator Rex on its way in
What's left, the new scooby doo cartoon???
with all of the action, imports, and CNREAL, this conspiracy does have legs
The Wolverine
06-14-2009, 04:37 AM
Oh please.
Just because they're concentrating on action programming for the time being, doesn't mean they're giving up on comedy.
Silverstar
06-14-2009, 10:20 AM
The fact that we're getting Adventure Time, Stoked and Pink Panther & Pals, as well as the continued presence of Flapjack, Total Drama and 6Teen, coupled with Cartoonstitute's very existence disproves any conspiracy theories that CN is abandoning cartoon comedy.
Comedy and action have bothe ebbed and flowed on Cartoon Network, according to whoever's in charge at the time, their personal objectives and what seems to be bringing in the most ratings and viewers. In the '90's, comedy was king on CN, hence why the majority of CN originals during that period were comedies. Right now is just an action-heavy time.
Mickialla
06-14-2009, 02:55 PM
I don't believe there will ever be a day that Cartoon Network won't be producing even 1 comedy original. What I was trying to say when I posted that "goodbye" picture was that Cartoon Network is locking away its past and, despite it's prematurity coupled with its overall success, is doing the same with Chowder. Flapjack is still going, so Cartoon Network does care about comedy. Adventure Time seems to have a lot of work put into it, so Cartoon Network does care about comedy. Despite Cartoonstitute's abrupt end, 2-3 shows (presumably comedy) have already been put into production from the project, and it's likely there may be more to come.
Comedy will always be on Cartoon Network. I agree it's not the majority right now, but then again, the best days of Cartoon Network were ruled by comedy originals, while all the action (mostly anime or DCAU) were acquisitions. The only noteworthy action originals were Samurai Jack and the Clone Wars miniseries. (Megas was a bit later on and only lasted 2 seasons anyways). I don't think anyone was complaiing that there were barely any action originals as compared to comedy originals. In an ideal world, Cartoon Network would care equally about comedy and action. But ideal business doesn't fit in with an ideal world. And though I rarely like to say it, Cartoon Network is a business first.
DeanBurrito25
06-16-2009, 01:32 PM
http://dccomics.com/media/product/1/2/12135_180x270.jpg
Maybe I'm looking too deep into things, but when I looked at this picture, it said to me in my mind, "Cartoon Network's past is saying goodbye to us, and Chowder's there." Cartoon Network sees Chowder as a part of its past and, for some reason, not Flapjack. Somewhere between Chowder and Flapjack the line between past and present was drawn and Flapjack is on the present side. This is no way shows how Chowder is getting the boot and Flapjack isn't, it's just something I thought about and wanted to share...
You know what, that's pretty deep.
Pretty sad actually. :(
LeatherJeans
06-16-2009, 09:53 PM
You know what, that's pretty deep.
Pretty sad actually. :(
I just hate crying! :crying: But I'm so SAD and I feel miserable that the show well end...
Silverstar
06-16-2009, 10:40 PM
I just hate crying! :crying: But I'm so SAD and I feel miserable that the show well end...
ALL shows end, eventually.
We still haven't heard any official word that Chowder has been canceled; just that as of yet, no additional episodes have been ordered. I would politely suggest that we hold off on the maudlin stuff until we hear something official.
Mickialla
06-17-2009, 03:22 PM
I just hate crying! :crying: But I'm so SAD and I feel miserable that the show well end...
No offense, but if you're actually crying and you don't work on the show in any way, you need to open up your eyes. Your favorite TV show is miniscule when compared to the world outside of the little box, when you look at things that are actually worth crying about, crying about the cancellation of a TV show actually seems relatively pointless.
LeatherJeans
06-17-2009, 08:49 PM
No offense, but if you're actually crying and you don't work on the show in any way, you need to open up your eyes. Your favorite TV show is miniscule when compared to the world outside of the little box, when you look at things that are actually worth crying about, crying about the cancellation of a TV show actually seems relatively pointless.
Yeah, crying for the show is pointless. And we still haven't even heard if Chowder is to be OFFICALLY canceled
John Dorian
06-19-2009, 11:25 AM
From TAG Blog, in Steve Hulett's words:
I spent a part of my morning at Cartoon Network, where Chowder and Flapjack to hear staffers tell it, are soon to be part of CN's history:
"They're writing some scripts and doing some boards for new episodes, but right now it looks like Flap and Chowder aren't being picked up. I'm getting laid off next week, know of any new shows happening other places?" ...
Over in the skyscraper next to CN's Burbank studio, Generator Rex is staffed up and in production, as is Adventure Time in the main building. (There's also Ben 10 and Sym-Bionic Titans moving along).
Oh yeah, this even includes Flapjack now. And there's some confirmination that Sym-Bionic Titans are at Cartoon Network Studios.
Silverstar
06-19-2009, 11:38 AM
"They're writing some scripts and doing some boards for new episodes, but right now it looks like Flap and Chowder aren't being picked up. I'm getting laid off next week, know of any new shows happening other places?" ...Well, if that's truly the case, then that stinks. While the latest Chowders have been hit-or-miss, I still love the concept and characters, and while I was indifferent to Flapjack when it first premiered, the series is/was just starting to find its' legs, I felt.
You know, I'm this close to saying "Screw Cartoon Network" at this stage. If it weren't for the presence of The Secret Saturdays and The Brave & the Bold and Adventure Time coming on the horizon, I'd probably abandon this channel altogether.
The Huntsman
06-19-2009, 11:44 AM
Oh yeah, this even includes Flapjack now.Oh well. I’ve had so many of my favorite animated programs come to an end over the years that I really don’t see the point in complaining anymore. There will always be new animated programs that I’ll fall in love with, so… I’ll enjoy “Chowder” and “The Marvelous Misadventures Of Flapjack” while they last. If they get renewed, that would be great, but it’s not going to depress me if they don’t.
soundmonkey44
06-19-2009, 12:12 PM
http://dccomics.com/media/product/1/2/12135_180x270.jpg
I will truly miss these shows (with the exception of Gym partner & Lazlo) Its sad to think we may never see any of these guys on CN again. Its times like this im glad my digital cable provider has Boomerang (Now if they'd get nicktoons or Funimation to complement it, mabye I would'nt compain about Modern TV so much...LULZ)
BOT: Yes it is somewhat sad to see chowder go, I was never really a fan of the show, but i do find it alot more tolerable then all thes canadian flash animations.:sweat: & live aciton junk. Hopefully Cartoon Institute will Be ready in time to replace it.:D
Marvin Tikvah
06-19-2009, 03:52 PM
Well, now Flapjack is in the same boat? What a blow to the Thursday lineup. I personally found both those shows to be the highlight of that block, but guess Total Drama Island was always considered the real highlight since it managed to pull in those ratings.
Oh well, there isn't much we can really do except enjoy it while it lasts.
I have yet so see how mere speculation on speculation means that Flapjack is on its way out.
Where did this rumor even come from?
The Huntsman
06-19-2009, 06:56 PM
Yet another nail is added to Chowder’s coffin. Newsarama briefly interviewed John DiMaggio (http://www.newsarama.com/tv/090620-brave-and-bold-dimaggio.html) and he mentioned the following.
…Chowder might be coming to a conclusion, but I hope the guys at Cartoon Network change their mind because it really is a great show…
Light Lucario
06-19-2009, 08:17 PM
Well, it does sound like sad news for Chowder and Flapjack. I've found that I've enjoyed most of Chowder's new episodes, even though they do break the fourth wall a bit too often for my taste, and Flapjack has been doing pretty well in my opinion for awhile. Still, I try not to think of the end for the shows that I watch since that feels too depressing to me. I just try to enjoy the ride itself. Besides, I don't think that Chowder's or Flapjack's futures are set in stone yet. The news we've heard doesn't look too bright, but there's always a chance for hope.
~Shoяe
06-20-2009, 11:20 PM
Keep in mind also that the most episodes a CN show has ever gotten is 78 (or is EEnE getting more?)
With two 20 ep seasons and the mini 9 episode pick up, 49 episodes isn't so bad since that would mean the show would only have two more seasons in it or so. Still, these shows deserve to run their course and end up with the same episode count as the other CN greats.
TigerEye
06-21-2009, 10:17 PM
Why on god's green earth would CN ditch Chowder? Are the ratings for this show bad or something? If not then I think the network should let this show grow and continue to put some marketing behind it or something, they are not doing it any justice by not renewing it or cancelling it. I'm starting to hate this network!!
Now there is talk about them killing off Flapjack soon too, which is another stupid move, before you know it all we will have is TDA and 6Teen for comedies :sad:, this is bullcrap and CN is going to find themselves in a toilet if the live action stuff fails.
Super Sonic
06-22-2009, 02:24 AM
Are the ratings for this show bad or something?
Nah. Chowder's always gotten very good ratings. So has Flapjack.
Nah. Chowder's always gotten very good ratings. So has Flapjack.Not so much anymore. Chowder's ratings are pretty bad, so bad that it wasn't mentioned on the recent press release in comparison to Flapjack, 6teen, and TDA. The ratings for Chowder were eventually requested by TVbytheNumbers, and they were way below everything else.
Daxdiv
06-22-2009, 03:09 AM
What numbers did Chowder get last week?
{Shadow}
06-22-2009, 06:13 AM
What numbers did Chowder get last week?
From TVbytheNumbers (http://twitter.com/TVbytheNumbers):
last week [June 11th] "Chowder" did 1.698 million. "Total Drama Action" did much better w/ 2.84 million
TigerEye
06-22-2009, 08:07 AM
Not so much anymore. Chowder's ratings are pretty bad, so bad that it wasn't mentioned on the recent press release in comparison to Flapjack, 6teen, and TDA. The ratings for Chowder were eventually requested by TVbytheNumbers, and they were way below everything else.
This is news I really didn't want to hear, but I guess there is nothing we can do and Chowder is on his way out :sad:. Damn shame. Hopefully Cartoonstitute and the other new shows are good enough to fill the Chowder void.
Blackstar
06-22-2009, 08:18 AM
This is news I really didn't want to hear, but I guess there is nothing we can do and Chowder is on his way out :sad:. Damn shame. Hopefully Cartoonstitute and the other new shows are good enough to fill the Chowder void.
Cartoonstitute isn't a TV show. That's a common misconception; it's a launching pad for animated pilots that could become new series on Cartoon Network, but Cartoonstitute itself will not be televised the way that The What-A-Cartoon! Show was.
Mickialla
06-22-2009, 11:22 AM
Cartoonstitute isn't a TV show. That's a common misconception; it's a launching pad for animated pilots that could become new series on Cartoon Network, but Cartoonstitute itself will not be televised the way that The What-A-Cartoon! Show was.
It was a launching pad for animated pilots that could become new series on Cartoon Network. The project is done and over with now, with only 14 shorts produced.
I think there was definitely a point in time between last April, when the Cartoonstitute was announced, and when we found out the Cartoonstitute was done, that Cartoon Network planned on airing Cartoonstitute. Whatever happened (probably due to the supposed "turmoil" going on within the staff right now), Cartoonstitute most likely won't be airing now. But I do stand my belief that it was meant to air at one time.
MU2304
06-22-2009, 06:13 PM
What i never got about cn was their schedule. Chowder and Flapjack are two of their own original series. However, they also have the massively popular Total Drama Action. Why not just put Total Drama action in between chowder and flapjack. That would significantly raise ratings for both flapjack and chowder, while somewhat sacrificing 6teen, but at the very least this would protect their own shows.
C.H Greenblatt lists this page: http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/thissummer/ as one of the primary reasons of proof that chowder is being swept under the rug on his blog. However, most of these shows are shows that CN needs to promote for summer, including TDA because of its potential. Clone wars is also massively popular as well as having decoded episodes, everything else on that site has not been seen. So that means all of those are premieres and not just what CN wants to stick with. I don't think chowder is getting cancelled, its somewhat popular enough.
LucemonX
06-22-2009, 06:41 PM
Hope Chowder (and Flapjack) get at least a few more episodes in down the road. I barely watch much of CN anymore besides a handful of shows, those being two of them I actively enjoyed since they came on. *sigh*
http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/thissummer/
I just wanna say...EEW. (Sorry, my opinion only. But it is my opinion. YUCK.)
Oh well, my humble little viewing habits I'm sure won't be missed by the rest of the pack that seems to be moving into the new generations of tv watchers. Sadly...
*shrug* As long as they put all of Chowder and other things on dvd, I guess I don't care much.
~Shoяe
06-24-2009, 02:35 AM
You know, I think CH has the right to be bitter. He's in a pretty bad situation right now
And also a very big thanks to the crew of the show. They've been friends of mine since we worked on Billy & Mandy and it's sad to be laying them all off. Each week there's fewer and fewer of us left. It's rare when you get work with people you really like, and I'm grateful for having that for the last seven years at CN. I hope we all get to work together again soon!
Yeah, laying off my best friends who I'd been working with for years, not something I would want to have to do.
well according to TZ they finished recording all the episodes
http://news.toonzone.net/articles/30310/chowders-last-recording-session-completed/
Guess it's time to watch the show more then ever and send CN letters, if they would even read them
only time will tell
if ratings do good this summer.... then it might come back......
of course fans could do that write and demand it.... but im too lazy/unmotivated :/
Chazooma
07-01-2009, 01:42 PM
I sent an e-mail,
but I'm not sure if they actually read those.
*shrug*
It's sad though, to see a show say good-bye.
Hopefully, just maybe, CN will renew Chowder and restore the original production team.
But that's probably just wishful thinking. :(
Silverstar
07-01-2009, 01:52 PM
Letters, e-mails and petitions don't work. That's not what brings back shows. Money and ratings are. The way to ensure that Chowder gets to continue on CN would be to convince the Powers That Be in charge of the network that the show's ratings would be phenomenal and that they could make a king-sized profit off of the show, say if the Chowder DVDs began selling like hotcakes.
The best petition anyone can muster is their cash.
Mesousa
07-01-2009, 01:56 PM
Just noticed a pattern...
Dexter's Laboratory and Powerpuff Girls had this issue, but they were able to keep going for few more seasons ( especially on PPG's case), but...with different animators.
:ack:
soundmonkey44
07-01-2009, 02:01 PM
well even though im not a chowder fan, i must say it would be sad to see it go after only 2 seasons. I mean I could understand if they were gonna put the money into cartoon institute or somthing. but with the way cn is nowadays they probably would'nt. Oh well even if chowder does end, we still have adventure time to look foward too.:chowder:
Blackstar
07-01-2009, 02:02 PM
Just noticed a pattern...
Dexter's Laboratory and Powerpuff Girls had this issue, but they were able to keep going for few more seasons ( especially on PPG's case), but...with different animators.
:ack:
It's also worth mentioning that both of those aforementioned shows took a nose dive in quality after they were un-canceled, primarily because the series' creators (Genndy Tartakosky and Craig McCrakcen, respectively) had already moved on to other projects and had little involvement in the latest episodes of Dexter's and PPG.
My point: Unless C.H. Greenblatt himself is going to be involved with any new seasons/episodes of Chowder, ending the series just may be for the best. Of course, C.H. has expressed every desire to keep working on Chowder.
EJLD4Ever
07-01-2009, 03:13 PM
I highly doubt that the show would get renewed "just like that". But given the show's decent fanbase, there is a possibility.
I just wonder what they're going to do (provided the show DOES get renewed) when Little Nicky Jones hits puberty. In an earlier thread, this was discussed a little:
1. Run Nicky's tapes through a Thiatron and speed his voice up to 1,000 RPM's (normal speed is about 750 RPM's).
2. C.H. Greenblatt's idea: Let Chowder age a little if Nicky's voice changes.
DeanBurrito25
07-01-2009, 04:03 PM
Letters, e-mails and petitions don't work. That's not what brings back shows.
Petitions don't work?
Family Guy says hi.
Master Toon
07-01-2009, 04:14 PM
Petitions don't work?
Family Guy says hi.
I thought Family Guy's run on [adult swim] and DVD sells are what brought it back. I heard nothing of petitions. I especially would not believe online petitions.
Daxdiv
07-01-2009, 04:21 PM
I thought Family Guy's run on [adult swim] and DVD sells are what brought it back. I heard nothing of petitions. I especially would not believe online petitions.
I heard that as well. One thing I heard was that Fox brought FG back from cancellation cause I heard the ratings on Adult Swim somewhat rivaled Leno and Letterman, and the DVDs were able to make it on the charts. It was along time ago that I heard that, like when AS acquired those shows, so I don't feel like digging it up. But the fact remains, buy the stuff to support the show.
As for writing letters to CN, I have mixed feelings about it. While I want Chowder to come back, I don't think my voice would be heard, and there is also the fact that the recent episodes have been hit or miss for me.
MegaSonic55
07-01-2009, 04:36 PM
I think Chowder is indeed on it's way out, Chowder isn't really on the forefront now. And it's not like Cartoon Network's has Cartoons at the very forefront of it's mind. They're still playing around with the Live-Action programming that's just sitting and bombing on their network. Petitioning isn't going to help this at all though.
Candice Suzana
07-01-2009, 04:51 PM
The last few episodes of Chowder that I seen weren't that good in terms of quality in my opinion. If the show were to continue its run, then I would want to see the episode quality to be on par with the first season of Chowder. If not, then Chowder might not be worth saving.
Blackstar
07-01-2009, 04:51 PM
Petitions don't work?
Family Guy says hi.
Sorry, Dean, but Family Guy was revived because of the high ratings that the reruns received on Adult Swim, coupled with the extremely successful sales of the original FG series DVDs. FG was not un-canceled because of any petition; 'Twas $$$$$$$$$ that revived FG. If petitioning had anything to do with FG's revival at all, it played a very minor role.
The Cartoon
07-01-2009, 05:02 PM
I think I heard something about the show "Jericho" being brought back because of a fan petition, but I could be mistaken. Even if that's true, that's only one show and there of been thousands of petitions to bring back shows that have failed. Chowder's last hope is tons of great ratings for not only new episodes, but re-runs as well.
Mesousa
07-01-2009, 05:11 PM
I think I heard something about the show "Jericho" being brought back because of a fan petition, but I could be mistaken.
Yes, it was because of the fans, and nuts were involved, too.
Am I the only one that thinks that the most recent episoedes are just as okay as the beginning ones?
Light Lucario
07-01-2009, 09:33 PM
I think I heard something about the show "Jericho" being brought back because of a fan petition, but I could be mistaken. Even if that's true, that's only one show and there of been thousands of petitions to bring back shows that have failed. Chowder's last hope is tons of great ratings for not only new episodes, but re-runs as well.
Jericho was brought back by the fans for one more season. I also thought that Kim Possible was brought back because of fan petitions and letters, but I'm not sure if that is correct. I think that letters and fan petitions can work, but only if there's a large enough amount to grab the network's attention and even with that, it is pretty rare that a show is brought back due to fans.
While it is sad that Chowder may be done with, I also haven't been enjoying the more recent episodes as I did with the first season's batch of episodes. I would like to see the series continue with hopefully improved overall quality, but only time will tell.
Since there is already a thread regarding Chowder's future, I'll go ahead and merge this thread with that one.
DeanBurrito25
07-01-2009, 09:59 PM
I thought Family Guy's run on [adult swim] and DVD sells are what brought it back. I heard nothing of petitions. I especially would not believe online petitions.
Sorry, Dean, but Family Guy was revived because of the high ratings that the reruns received on Adult Swim, coupled with the extremely successful sales of the original FG series DVDs. FG was not un-canceled because of any petition; 'Twas $$$$$$$$$ that revived FG. If petitioning had anything to do with FG's revival at all, it played a very minor role.
Oh whoops, you guys are right. I forgot. :sweat:
In any case, the fans still took action and supported the show anyway the could, and FOX brought it back.
Maybe if we get alot of people to buy the Chowder DVDs, CN will renew the show!
850 Gyt
07-01-2009, 10:43 PM
That's pretty much what we can do: support the good shows and turn our backs on the reality shows. If the Cartoon Network execs are smart enough (I'm kind of questioning that with decisions to cut shows like Chowder which just about the majority love. I have even seen "grown folks" watching this show. "Grown folks!" That means the cartoon is suitable enough for kids yet edgy enough for adults) they'll realize that reality fails for the station and *I REPEAT* NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER! attempt to put reality on the station.
So far, the lineup is kind of here and there but I'll just wait to see the cartoons.
Adventure Time with Jake looks goofy and funny just from the animation, so it might do well.
Sym-Biotic Titan from Genndy will most likely end up being good. He's actually written, directed, animated, and produced so many of the well known shows. 2 Stupid Dogs (can't dog the classics), Samurai Jack (this show actually beat the Simpsons for a grammy. Never knew that until I read around). Dexter's Lab. The Powerpuff Girls. Star Wars: The Clone Wars (2003 2D animation) (I was really into it since I couldn't really get into Star Wars. But it must of been good stuff)
Generator Rex by Man of Action...hope it does better than Ben 10: Alien Force. Alien Force felt kind of...incomplete. A show about a kid who can grow tech from his body? Hmm..the way TV is, this may have already been done but hopefully they find a way to make it good.
Stoked: Oooh...you know you shouldn't really judge but I can't help but do it. A show about six teens who surf? I don't know too much about how it would fare...could end up being one of Cartoon Network's highest rated shows.
Ben 10: Evolutions - Hope it was better than Alien Force. The original was the best and maybe that's what they should work with: combine some of the original with some new. Also want the aliens to have more "unique" powers (most of them from Alien Force were either combos or exports of previously existing aliens)
Scooby Doo Mystery Inc.: You know, there's been so many incarnations and series based on Scooby Doo, I kind of lost count. But now we have another one (or ten? I lost count) Wonder what will make this one stand out more? The kiddies will instantly eat it up but what about the older audiences? I'm looking at you Warner Bros! *GASP* (OK, no real shocker but why don't we just let the pooch rest for a bit)
The Last Recording Session for ‘Chowder’?
Tara Strong has relayed the news that the last recording session for Chowder has been completed.
Read on... (http://voiceactors.wordpress.com/2009/07/01/the-last-recording-session-for-chowder/)
~Shoяe
07-02-2009, 04:55 AM
^ D:
I can understand why CH is pissed. Since it looks like Chowder's going down and he knows it, the more he badmouths CN the better. It's good that he's fighting the fight, I just hope he doesn't mess with the chances of Adventure Time or Flapjack.
This blog post is pretty tragic. And the song is terrible.
http://nerdarmada.blogspot.com/2009/07/welcome-to-new-cn.html
Silverstar
07-02-2009, 08:41 AM
I can understand why CH is pissed. Since it looks like Chowder's going down and he knows it, the more he badmouths CN the better.
Biting the hand that feeds you isn't necessarily the best career move one can make.
I completely understand how C.H. feels, but if he wants there to be any chance of keeping his show going, he might want to ease off on ripping on his bosses while he's still on the payroll.
Wait until you've got something else lined up before you start bad-mouthing your current work situation. I know that from experience.
Super Sonic
07-02-2009, 03:06 PM
2. C.H. Greenblatt's idea: Let Chowder age a little if Nicky's voice changes.
Where'd he say this? I don't know why people are worried about this when it's looking more and more unlikely that the show will be able to make it to that point (not trying to personally attack you since you aren't the first person to show concern over this). They could always just get a new kid...I really don't understand why this is considered such a big issue with some people.
Am I the only one that thinks that the most recent episoedes are just as okay as the beginning ones?
You're not. Although there were a couple of episodes this season that I didn't care for (I didn't even watch that recent Gazpacho episode and wasn't paying much attention during the two Truffles episodes) I have watched and enjoyed the vast majority of the episodes that have aired for season 2. And while I certainly wouldn't mind if Chowder's hyperactivity was toned down a bit, it certainly hasn't caused me to feel the need to complain or feel annoyed. Heck, I even liked Dinner Theatre, an episode a lot of people here had problems with.
Light Lucario
07-02-2009, 09:37 PM
Biting the hand that feeds you isn't necessarily the best career move one can make.
I completely understand how C.H. feels, but if he wants there to be any chance of keeping his show going, he might want to ease off on ripping on his bosses while he's still on the payroll.
Wait until you've got something else lined up before you start bad-mouthing your current work situation. I know that from experience.
I agree with you. I can understand how upset C.H. feels about this situation, especially since he really does love the show, but it never is a good idea to express deep anger towards your bosses in a public matter. That pretty much makes the situation worse for him since it makes convincing Cartoon Network to renew the show harder with all of that anger from C.H.
Master Toon
07-02-2009, 09:48 PM
Biting the hand that feeds you isn't necessarily the best career move one can make.
I completely understand how C.H. feels, but if he wants there to be any chance of keeping his show going, he might want to ease off on ripping on his bosses while he's still on the payroll.
Wait until you've got something else lined up before you start bad-mouthing your current work situation. I know that from experience.
I agree with you. I can understand how upset C.H. feels about this situation, especially since he really does love the show, but it never is a good idea to express deep anger towards your bosses in a public matter. That pretty much makes the situation worse for him since it makes convincing Cartoon Network to renew the show harder with all of that anger from C.H.
Have you two ever considered that maybe Greenblatt knows more about Chowder's fate than he let's on?
~Shoяe
07-02-2009, 10:56 PM
He very well might. I think its good that he's an artist who's not gonna take this crap lying down.
Chazooma
07-02-2009, 11:10 PM
I thought he sounded more sad than angry.
Maybe I missed a post on his blog.
I'm really fond of Chowder, it's what got me back into watching CN,
and into cartoons even more than when I was a kid.
I loved watching every episode (but I'm just a pushover anyway).
It will be missed, and always will have a special place in my heart. :chowder:
But on the bright side, there's still a few episodes left to air,
and the show will go out with a conclusion, because the last episode will be where everyone is after a 20 year time skip.
Super Sonic
07-03-2009, 03:50 PM
I thought he sounded more sad than angry.
I was just about to post that exact same thing. I've read all of his blog entries, and none of them seemed to express resentment towards the network. He just sorta sounds genuinely disappointed (with good reason) in CN. It doesn't seem as if he's angry to me. Feels as though he's passed that stage a while before he started posted entries pertaining to Chowder's future.
Taco Wiz
07-04-2009, 08:54 PM
This blog post is pretty tragic. And the song is terrible.
http://nerdarmada.blogspot.com/2009/07/welcome-to-new-cn.html
Here's my reaction in order. :sad::(:crying:
You know what...I don't think Chowder deserves to get a third season of Chowder.
I think this because ever since it was rumored that Chowder was going to end Carl, unlike Thurop has been making fun of the network that let him create his show. And the ratings are low to so I think this may be the end
EJLD4Ever
07-05-2009, 02:30 AM
Where'd he say this? I don't know why people are worried about this when it's looking more and more unlikely that the show will be able to make it to that point (not trying to personally attack you since you aren't the first person to show concern over this). They could always just get a new kid...I really don't understand why this is considered such a big issue with some people.
It's something CH had thought of IN CASE Nicky's voice changes---this was before the news that the show was cancelled materialised. It was something that CH admitted was a dilemma in many of his interviews.
Kaveh77
07-05-2009, 03:19 AM
The show could get picked up by nick or disney xd right? Hard to imagine it on disney xd Preheat your ovens we'll be right back to Chowder
ChrisTheWriter
07-05-2009, 08:36 AM
I hope these new shows (if you can call them new) coming out can provide us with the entertainment we all know and love ...
The Cartoonstitute seems interesting though. But Chowder, winding down? Horrible news. All the more reason to boycott ala this:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gi...7360303&ref=mf
I really enjoyed Chowder (HOW ARE THE ARTISTS GOING TO ANIMATE ALL THIS FIRE?!) and this just feels wrong. CN Execs... if you're scouring the forums, you should be ashamed of yourself for forcing this upon us. RS maybe cheap and you may be using them as a means to an end... but there were other options. You chose THIS instead. Thank you for inviting our sadness and the rage of thousands.
Silverstar
07-05-2009, 10:30 AM
The show could get picked up by nick or disney xd right? Hard to imagine it on disney xd Preheat your ovens we'll be right back to Chowder
Unlikely. Greenblatt used to work for Nick, but Chowder is still technically CN's property, so I'm not sure he could just move it to another network without pulling some big strings.
And Chowder would be all wrong for Disney XD. That's never going to happen.
Mesousa
07-05-2009, 10:55 AM
And Chowder would be all wrong for Disney XD. That's never going to happen.
Oh, nothing from Disney XD gets canceled.
John Dorian
07-05-2009, 10:57 AM
With the current season lacking a lot, it's best if they end it with dignity.
Silverstar
07-05-2009, 11:02 AM
Originally Posted by Yours Truly http://forums.toonzone.net/images/buttons/buttons_TZ6/viewpost.gif (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?p=3303212#post3303212)
And Chowder would be all wrong for Disney XD. That's never going to happen.
Oh, nothing from Disney XD gets canceled.
:^: Chowder just isn't a good fit for Disney Closed-Eyed Grin. XD seems mainly interested in shows that are action-oriented (X-Men, X-Men: Evolution, Static Shock, Spectacular Spider-Man) or have an extreme sci-fi or supernatural bent to them (Jimmy Two-Shoes, Monster Buster Club, Kid VS Kat). Chowder doesn't embody any of those traits. The average XD viewer would probably say that Chowder is "too silly" or "too kiddie" for the channel.
Super Sonic
07-06-2009, 02:54 PM
You know what...I don't think Chowder deserves to get a third season of Chowder.
I think this because ever since it was rumored that Chowder was going to end Carl, unlike Thurop has been making fun of the network that let him create his show. And the ratings are low to so I think this may be the end
Um, that's because the crew at Chowder is ending production on the show...
The guys at work at Flapjack still have a bunch of season 2 episodes to complete (after that, it could easily end just like Chowder).
And I fail to see where he's making fun of CN. He expresses some sadness and disappointment, but how are comments such as "we had a great run" disrespectful towards the network? If anything, he's handling this much better than expected.
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