Ben 10: Alien Force - "War of the Worlds Part 1 and 2" - Talkback [3/27]

[Mugen]

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Premieres: March 27th at 9:00 PM Eastern
Repeats: March 28th at 10:00 AM Eastern

The twelfth and thirteenth episode of season two of Ben 10: Alien Force airs tonight on CN. Here is the synopsis:

Paradox and Azmuth arrive on Earth to warn Ben of the approaching Highbreed fleet.Season two is complete. We have one more season of Alien Force to go before the new Ben 10: Evolutions show arrives next year.

[zoombie]

This begins finale weekend for me. Between this finale airing on Friday, and over the weekend, a couple of my favorite shows end their seasons and / or series.

This weekend is also the series finales of Blue Dragon: Tenkai No Shichi Ryuu and Mobile Suit Gundam 00. So this weekend is bittersweet for me, and it starts here.

[Comics_the_QB]

Well after missing the first two episodes of the week, I will not miss these two.

[ShadowGUN]

Season two is complete. We have one more season of Alien Force to go before the new Ben 10: Generations show arrives next year.

I think you mean Ben 10: Evolutions.

Anyway looking at the commercial I notice WayBig in it. I guess this mean we will be seeing some of Ben's original alien heroes in the finale. I hope they show Four Arms. He my favorite.

[Swonker]

I think you mean Ben 10: Evolutions.

Anyway looking at the commercial I notice WayBig in it. I guess this mean we will be seeing some of Ben's original alien heroes in the finale. I hope they show Four Arms. He my favorite.

Ben doesn't turn into Four Arms. He turns into:

-Cannonbolt
-Upchuck
-Way Big

[Dudley]

Man, what a lousy time for the cable in my room to go out. If it doesn't get fixed, I'm going to watch this finale through other methods......aaaand I found it!

I'll post my comments once it airs on television. See u then!

[RonDrakenfan17]

Ben doesn't turn into Four Arms. He turns into:

-Cannonbolt
-Upchuck
-Way Big

Yah man seeing him transform into those was awesome.

[Mickialla]

Alien Force isn't my favorite show, but I'll try to catch it, unless I forget like I ALWAYS do.

[Chykin]

I want to know what the "real" secret of the omnitrix is. Azmuth hinted about it in the preview.

[NewcomerDC]

I wonder if we will ever see the rest of Ben's original aresenal of aliens before Alien Force ends.

IT'S SHOWTIME GUYS!!

[SuperDudeX]

WTF @ Robo-Cooper

So, the Omnitrix is a Noah's Ark?

*sigh* In before HBSOD...

[Rolling Cloud]

Noah?

Um.. okay!

[NewcomerDC]

WTF @ Robo-Cooper
I AM IRON MAN!
So, the Omnitrix is a Noah's Ark?
Nah, it's the only hope humans have in living to see another day.

[Anyone00]

"I love the intangibility glove; it's so bad."

[NewcomerDC]

"I love the intangibility glove; it's so bad."
It won't be as bad as what the Highbreed will do to him.

[warnerbroman]

julie:shrug:

[SuperDudeX]

Hey look, Cannonbolt's back...whoop-de-doo...

[John Dorian]

"I'm feeling pretty nostalgic!"

Sheesh.

[NewcomerDC]

Hey look, Cannonbolt's back...whoop-de-doo...
Not as good as what's gonna happen later on.

As for Julie, she's just Ben's squeeze. That's why she's helping to fight the Highbreed.
"I'm feeling pretty nostalgic!"

Sheesh.
Hello, I'm Ben: the Nostalgia Critic. I remember it so you don't have to.

[chdr]

Paradox is just awesome in this episode.

[SuperDudeX]

OK, is it safe enough to say that Paradox is hax?

[Anyone00]

It won't be as bad as what the Highbreed will do to him.

Swing and a miss.

I wonder if Cooper is a Warhammer 40K fan?

[warnerbroman]

I thought they would use the old transformation clips

[John Dorian]

Hello, I'm Ben: the Nostalgia Critic. I remember it so you don't have to.

But, I still remember that scene, though. :D

[NewcomerDC]

I thought they would use the old transformation clips
Nah. New shows means new ways to transform.

[CottonSwab]

The scene of the whole team fully assembled and walking down the street was epic and really set the pace for the war to come, so far the war has been very entertaining! It's great to see Darkstar/Morningstar back in action, and it looks like Ben will be getting control over tons of aliens that were not at his disposal before, how cool! So far this has been one heck of a ride, hopefully part 2 will be just as good and with tons of action to cap the season off.

[warnerbroman]

OK, is it safe enough to say that Paradox is hax? more like cooper

[Zekehawk]

Man, Athmus isn't really useful here is he?

[NewcomerDC]

Upchuck!!

And low and behold ULTRAMAN....I mean Waybig!

[SuperDudeX]

You know, some of the original aliens re-designs aren't that bad so far...

WayBig!! Nice...

[NewcomerDC]

WayBig!! Nice...
Why there wasn't an action figure of him I will never know.

[John Dorian]

Ben 10 Wars: The Highbreed Wars!

[warnerbroman]

Why there wasn't an action figure of him I will never know. maybe it would be... too BIG?!

[SuperDudeX]

maybe it would be... too BIG?!


Considering the scale, it would probally only be as big as a PR megazord figure

[NewcomerDC]

Ben 10 Wars: The Highbreed Wars!
Better than those Clone Wars, I'll tell ya what.

And Bandai could've made a 2.5-3 inch Waybig figure if they wanted but they're too lazy.

[chdr]

That's one tricked-out car.

[SuperDudeX]

Kevin's Car: Hax0r to theh Max0r!!

A PSA, in my Ben 10?!! MADNESS!!

[warnerbroman]

That's one tricked-out car.put the batmobile to shame (minus TDKR one)

[Zekehawk]

Self driving car that attacks......new hax?

[John Dorian]

R.I.P. Car (2008-2009)

[J!!!]

Since when did Swampfire get a new transformation animation?

[NewcomerDC]

A PSA, in my Ben 10?!! MADNESS!!
THIS IS BEN 10!!!!

[Zekehawk]

Anodite time!!!

[John Dorian]

First Sari, then Gwen. The...IRONY!

[warnerbroman]

anodite mode=hot

[SuperDudeX]

Gwen finally takes up a level in BA-ery!!

Anadite Gwen. Rule 34. Mark my words.

[NewcomerDC]

Awww, a nice tender moment.

Now, back to the fighting!

[John Dorian]

She's back. Wanted the new anodite transormation to last a little longer.

[NewcomerDC]

Guess who's back?

Nice to see those two alien gangsters again. Technically I don't know what they're names are anyway.

And MAX!!!

[J!!!]

Ben's back sweet:D this special is getting better by the second

[SuperDudeX]

Oh great, Cyborg, Helen and Peirce are back...

Hey look Grandpa Max is here!! Looks like everyone and their grandma are going to be involved...

[NewcomerDC]

Oh great, Cyborg, Helen and Pierce are back...
What's wrong with them?

[warnerbroman]

warp speed mr tennyson

[John Dorian]

Yeech! Nasty, much?

[SuperDudeX]

What's wrong with them?



IDK, they always seemed to be pretty boring side characters, despite their backstory IMO

Jeez, is Ben gonna get KO'ed before every commerial break?

[Dudley]

The Max Force has arrived!

[chdr]

Isn't this like the fourth time Ben has passed out in this episode?

[NewcomerDC]

Will every commercial break begin with Ben knocked out in battle?

[John Dorian]

Did either Helen or Pierce say anything?

[warnerbroman]

Will every commercial break begin with Ben knocked out in battle?everybody is thinking that

[J!!!]

Isn't this like the fourth time Ben has passed out in this episode?
They may have not know that it has been done so many times................or is it a running gag? hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[NewcomerDC]

Did either Helen or Pierce say anything?
I know about Helen having one line worth of dialogue but not Pierce.

[SuperDudeX]

Is it me, or are the pass-outs starting to kill Ben's brian cells by the moment?

and in comes the Nazi forshadowing...

[warnerbroman]

watch your mouth azmuth children are watching

[Rolling Cloud]

Did the short dude just...say...

*whistles* awkward.

[NewcomerDC]

Is it me, or are the pass-outs starting to kill Ben's brain cells by the moment?
Well, it didn't make Ben throw up as Brainstorm now did it?

[chdr]

Ryni!

[Zekehawk]

Woot Ryni!!!

[SuperDudeX]

Riney? Here?

[J!!!]

The highbreed from the desert is back:D And he ended the war.

[warnerbroman]

Did the short dude just...say...

*whistles* awkward.watch your mouth azmuth children are watching


and sappy ending there better be good stuff after this

[NewcomerDC]

Kissing time?:D

...Awwwww.:sad:

Is it just me or is the new live-action film looks better than the last one?

[MetroSparkster]

And now we have 10 new aliens coming up next season!

The End?

[chdr]

Is it me or did the ending feel rushed?

[NewcomerDC]

Is it me or did the ending feel rushed?
There had to be time to show the new Ben 10: Alien Swarm commercial so that's why the show went too fast for ya.

[chdr]

There had to be time to show the new Ben 10: Alien Swarm commercial so that's why the show went too fast for ya.No, I just meant the whole "everything's fixed and the Highbreed are good now" ending. It felt like one big deus ex machina.

[RonDrakenfan17]

Well the episode was awesome. Every one coming together to battle, I loved ship coming in and helping. Ben was pretty smart here and now he is going to have new alieans to use. I look forward to season three :D

[Chykin]

Ok, that... was... AWESOME!!!

Did the short dude just...say...

*whistles* awkward.
What? I think I missed whatever he said.

[NewcomerDC]

No, I just meant the whole "everything's fixed and the Highbreed are good now" ending. It felt like one big deus ex machina.
I would like to see them be villains again with Darkstar leading a new army of the Highbreed.

[The Huntsman]

No, I just meant the whole "everything's fixed and the Highbreed are good now" ending. It felt like one big deus ex machina.Yeah. I’m only a casual fan of the “Ben 10” series and I don’t know who half of the characters are and so forth, but that ending did seem a bit too convenient. Still, I think this series is a lot better than I initially gave it credit for.

[Zekehawk]

Crap, I just missed like the last minute, except for him not recognizing the aliens. Did Azmuth take the master control away?

[CottonSwab]

Overall it was a very good episode but I would have liked to see more Ben versus Highbreed one on one during the battle, we only really got a small taste of it. It was cool to see Gwen and Kevin have their little tender moment and I am sure when "Evolutions" hits they will 100% be official and probably will have been for a while, ah the magic of love! I would give the ending to this series/season a solid 8/10 because I felt it really had it's strong points, but what was up with Ben passing out like every 10 minutes? I found it to be kind of annoying, I mean once is once but what was it, something like 3 or 4 times? Anyhow, it was good to see some old favorites such as Darkstar and Grandpa Max, and it was cool to see that little alien thing that reminds me of a dog (I forget it's name).

[SuperDudeX]

It was a pretty awesome finale, 8/10


BTW, is there a season or two left, or do we have to wait until Evolutions next year?

[zoombie]

What a finale. Compared to adult anime shows, it was tame in terms of fatalities and blood, but what did you expect?

It was a good finale, Grandpa Max's return with the Max Force was a surprise, and how things turned out with Darkstar was not surprising. I didn't expect him to betray them, just slip away for next time, like he did here.

As I watching this, I thought just destroying the Highbreed would be too simply of an ending a bit hypocritical, they want to destroy us, let's destory them. I thought they needed a more deeper conclusion to the conflict, and bring peace was what was needed.

But now we get all new aliens next season? That feels kind of cheep, we just got to know the new ones, why can't they just add them, like they did in the first series?

One other thing, am I the only one who found it odd, that Ben didn't act shocked or anything that Darkstar was with this team that Gwen and Kevin put together? I expected a "Darkstar, your here?"

To answer the previous question, there is one more season to go, before Evolutions.

[J!!!]

No, I just meant the whole "everything's fixed and the Highbreed are good now" ending. It felt like one big deus ex machina.
That is the reason I think alot of this stuff in Evangelion infuenced from the Ben having the power to save humanity to the conviennt ending. But I think that Ryni turned good due to Ben's kindness so he wanted all his friends to know humans weren't evil.

[NewcomerDC]

It was a pretty awesome finale, 8/10

BTW, is there a season or two left, or do we have to wait until Evolutions next year?
I hope that we don't have to wait until next year. I can't take the suspense.

[J!!!]

I hope that we don't have to wait until next year. I can't take the suspense.
Well the new season comes in fall but evolution doesn't come till early 2010.

[Ditto]

I didn't think the episode wasanything special (still good, just not amazing), but the ending left me dieing for the next season to start. I loved upchuck coming back and wanna see his new alien forms.

Also can anybody give me a link to any info on Evolutions?

[Mala Loba]

A little bit disapointed with the ending. It felt like, "Something else has to happen. It has to! Oh! It's... never mind."

Not bad, though. And the preview- Alien Swarm looks like it will be quite a bit ahead of the first film. Just wish we had a date though.

[NewcomerDC]

Well the new season comes in fall but evolution doesn't come till early 2010.
So Ben 10: Evolutions will just be Ben, age 16, going through drugs, drinking, celebrating his sweet 16th, and pretty much being the new Tony Stark since he'll be popular in the near future what with the world bowing down to him and all that.

That is if he can get the ladies hot over him other than Julie.

[warnerbroman]

O
What? I think I missed whatever he said. inbreeding and Sterile among other things

[J!!!]

So Ben 10: Evolutions will just be Ben, age 16, going through drugs, drinking, celebrating his sweet 16th, and pretty much being the new Tony Stark since he'll be popular in the near future what with the world bowing down to him and all that.

That is if he can get the ladies hot over him other than Julie.
Pretty much but now he will be going all around the world saving it. That sounds awesome too:D

[Ditto]

yeah, when i heard that I was like "is this cartoon network?"

[Dudley]

I thought that was a pretty cool ending, since it had everything come together in a pretty nice way. The battle scenes were cool too, along with the explanations about the true purpose of the Omnitrix. Even though they retconned several things throughout this series, it's nice to see they acknowledge things that occured in the orignial Ben 10 episodes "Secret of the Omnitrix", and "Ben 10,000."

Overall, a good season finale to an alright show.

[warnerbroman]

I thought that was a pretty cool ending, since it had everything come together in a pretty nice way. The battle scenes were cool too, along with the explanations about the true purpose of the Omnitrix. Even though they retconned several things throughout this series, it's nice to see they acknowledge things that occured in the orignial Ben 10 episodes "Secret of the Omnitrix", and "Ben 10,000."

Overall, a good season finale to an alright show.where was the 10,000 reference

[Freedom Fighter]

Fun, epic finale. A fair amount of surprises (recruiting Darkstar, seeing a few old aliens, Grandpa Max's official return to Earth, the peaceful resolution) coupled with a lot of hard-hitting action. Coop was cool, Paradox was a hoot, Kevin willingly sacrificed his car, Gwen went full Anodite, and Ben more than ever reinforced the fact how much he's matured and has gotten smarter. Even if Azmuth had to ride him with the "you're not ready, you still don't understand the full power of the Omnitrix, ect..." card over and over.

Speaking of the Omnitrix... over 1.9 million samples of alien DNA? A Noah's Ark? Never thought of it that way... interesting observation.

I saw the 'reset' coming at the end, but at least next season'll bring a new set of ten aliens.

Aw... who am I kidding? I'm really gonna miss Swampfire, Humongasaur, Big Chill, and the others...

"War of the Worlds" Parts 1 & 2 - 8/10.
"Ben 10: Alien Force" Season 2 - 8/10.

[J!!!]

where was the 10,000 reference
When the samll alien told Ben it as data to all life forms and Ben said "I know there are 10,000", but Ben found out there are really 1 million

[Zekehawk]

where was the 10,000 reference

When Azmuth was teling Ben about the real secret of the Omnitrix I think.
Azmuth talked about the DNA samples in the Omnitrix, and Ben answered 10,000. Maybe that was the reference.

Can someone answer my question if they can?

"Crap, I just missed like the last minute, except for him not recognizing the aliens. Did Azmuth take the master control away?"

[Mad Mod 49]

I couldn't see the second part but...what was it that Azmuth said that people are shocked over? :confused:

[warnerbroman]

When Azmuth was teling Ben about the real secret of the Omnitrix I think.
Azmuth talked about the DNA samples in the Omnitrix, and Ben answered 10,000. Maybe that was the reference.

Can someone answer my question if they can?

"Crap, I just missed like the last minute, except for him not recognizing the aliens. Did Azmuth take the master control away?" nope it the same ending as the other three

"you figure it out"

the one where he fight kevin and vilgax

the one he meets his future self

and the secret one

[Rolling Cloud]

I couldn't see the second part but...what was it that Azmuth said that people are shocked over? :confused:

If you mean when he was talking to the Highbreeds, it was him relaying that the Highbreeds felt that they were so superior to everything else that they only bred within their own race. However, while this gave them immunity from disease.. it also rendered them sterile.

[drbill28]

Good episode. Though some big items came together rather quickly that might have deserved more consideration. I understand why. Loved the car, that's definitely Kevin. Surprised that used that description to label the Highbreed. In fact from the way the Highbreed talk about themselves, it kinda makes it extra creepy. Maybe they should of made them clones with a problem like the Asgard of Stargate.

[zoombie]

I think judging by this episode, what will happen at some point either in this series, or Evolutions, the greatest threat to the universe appears, and it is probably Vilgax, anyway the Highbreed are now allies and help Ben and everyone save the universe, as does ever other villain that Ben and company have encountier, at least the popular ones like Animo, Charmcaster, Hex, Darkstar, Forever Knights, etc. along of course with Ben's allies including Max and his new protege aka the Max Force.

[HEATXZ]

War of the Worlds was awesome :anime:
More Paradox
The Return of Cannonbolt and WayBig
Brainstorm vomits on Azmuth XD
Anadite Gwen
I can't wait to see the new aliens

[Paul_Cousins]

Good episode. And a great capper to a good season.

Though Ben, Gwen and the rest of the good guys were great, Kevin stole the show with his "heavyarms" car (complete with auto-pilot :cool: ), and that Kevin was able to talk Gwen down from going dark phoenix. :cool:

[tb4000]

The Highbreeds are basically reformed Nazis to an extent...but they never really believed their own hype, to put it bluntly. It was an interesting way to take out a main villain in a cartoon series...actually coming up with a way to assist with their quest as opposed to just defeating them. Dwayne McDuffie always comes through with the writing skills.

[zoombie]

The Highbreeds are basically reformed Nazis to an extent...but they never really believed their own hype, to put it bluntly. It was an interesting way to take out a main villain in a cartoon series...actually coming up with a way to assist with their quest as opposed to just defeating them. Dwayne McDuffie always comes through with the writing skills.

As I was watching this, I was thinking if they just destory the Highbreeds that would be to simplestic an ending. And than it ends with them having a peaceful resolution.

[River26]

Man, tonight was sweet :). Everything was in here.

- Punchlines
- brief time for Ben x Julie or Kevin x Gwen

[{Shadow}]

Crap, I just missed like the last minute, except for him not recognizing the aliens. Did Azmuth take the master control away?
The Omnitrix reset itself after Ben used it to rewrite the HighBreeds' DNA, so yeah, the master control is gone.

[honorableninja]

loved it make up for the pure dispispointment that was Alien X the season one finale can't wait to see Ben new aliens wonder how the always needed fire alien will top swampfire who proved to be even cooler than heatblast.

[creativerealms]

Well there was finally an explanation for the ten alien thing. It's a safeguard added to the Omnitrix to make it more managable. Thats what I fugured but I'm glad it's finally confirmed.

So now he has a whole new different group of ten aliens, sigh and just when I was getting use to these ten.

[River26]

Well, no doubt that these'll be reserved for AF's 3rd season. Perhaps that's why the people didn't want the fans to find out the new alien? *shrugs*

[John Dorian]

Okay, Helen didn't say a word at all. Just Manny.

[ToonFan83]

I guess I have to be the first one to mention it. Here it goes.

Coop possess the Sharingan. Just another Naruto influence.

[Paul_Cousins]

I guess I have to be the first one to mention it. Here it goes.

Coop possess the Sharingan. Just another Naruto influence.Close. Coop is a technopath. He can see how a machine functions, including Omnitrix, and copy it's abilities to a degree.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Pretty good finalé. The only real complaint I have is a lack of a final battle before they decided to repair the Highbreed. :sad:

[Ditto]

Oh yeah, I forgot about the 2 things that I found wierd.

First, Cooper. Why is he such a sketchy stalker? He's kind of cool but not when he's obsessed with gwen, it's fine that he likes her, but he doesn't own her.

Second, when Ben used his omnitrix to help the highbreed why did it repair their buildings?

[SuperMegaHyper]

I think judging by this episode, what will happen at some point either in this series, or Evolutions, the greatest threat to the universe appears Unicron!?:ack: :p Anyways pretty good ending, I can't help but have mixed feelings about it, after all they did do some evil things.

[Ditto]

Where were those stupid plummers that were giving them a hard time at the beginning of the season?

[chdr]

Where were those stupid plummers that were giving them a hard time at the beginning of the season?They appeared near the middle, when they were taking over the control tower.

[Paul_Cousins]

Where were those stupid plummers that were giving them a hard time at the beginning of the season?Which one's you talking about?

If you mean those that went to the Nulvoid, they showed up in the second half of the series, along with Max.

Max has really come a long way to being the "Obiwan" of the series, instead of having a lightsaber, he was riding an Eldritch Abomination. That was cool in of itself. :cool:

Also, I like how that Paradox drop hints that he knew what was going to happen next. Paradox was magnificent (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MagnificentBastard) in this episode. :cool:

[River26]

@Ditto

And they're not "stupid", they had a pretty good reason mind you <_<. lol You obviously don't know your place where they've came from.

They had to clean up after Animo, when Kevin and Gwen last time rescued Ben. You should know that by now.

[Ditto]

Umm, I know exactly what I'm talking about, you don't. Those kids aren't plumbers, so I don't think you know your place. I was talking about the actual plumbers, in the first episode of the season.

[zoombie]

Umm, I know exactly what I'm talking about, you don't. Those kids aren't plumbers, so I don't think you know your place. I was talking about the actual plumbers, in the first episode of the season.

You mean plumber, there was only one of them that was given our heros a hard time at the beginning of the season.

[chdr]

You mean plumber, there was only one of them that was given our heros a hard time at the beginning of the season.Forgot all about that guy from "Darkstar Rising". Considering how he didn't really perceive the Highbreed as a threat, he probably didn't know or care about stopping the invasion.

[AdamYJ]

I'm just surprised that Kevin's name is actually Kevin E. Levin. :p

Anyway, it was a pretty good show and a decent finale. Though it seemed like the Highbreed rolled over a little too easily when Rynie came and said "I can show you the light."

So, next we get Ben 10: Evolutions, which has Ben fighting baddies all over the world. A neat follow up, considering we started on Ben, Gwen and Max's summer road trip in which they fought baddies all over the USA.

[chdr]

I'm just surprised that Kevin's name is actually Kevin E. Levin. :p

Anyway, it was a pretty good show and a decent finale. Though it seemed like the Highbreed rolled over a little too easily when Rynie came and said "I can show you the light."

So, next we get Ben 10: Evolutions, which has Ben fighting baddies all over the world. A neat follow up, considering we started on Ben, Gwen and Max's summer road trip in which they fought baddies all over the USA.Actually, there is one more season left (made of 20 episodes) to air before we get to Evolutions.

[Dudley]

Actually, there is one more season left (made of 20 episodes) to air before we get to Evolutions.

And according to one of the writers, it'll reveal what kevin's been doing in the past five years, among other things.

[River26]

Perhaps a flashback maybe :)?

[Mickialla]

Not bad, not awesome. It was a good attempt. I liked the whole epic team up vibe they had going on, it took them 2 seasons to finally create the "Alien Force" within the show's title, but they finally got it done at least. But the fight scenes lacked a little bit. As usual, I've noticed there tends to be a little bit too much unnecessary dialogue. But Grandpa Max and the "Max Force"'s arrival was cool, but I wish they could have done some more butt-kicking than they actually got to do. I missed the last ten minutes where Riny shows up, but that was really cool that he did that. And what exactly did Asmuth say that was so obscene?

Overall, it was okay, but it was lacking. The action scenes weren't as intense as I was hoping them to be, even though Kevin's tricked-out car was sick. Next season has a whole new set of aliens, which is kind of strange since it's going to be like a whole new show. Hopefully the new aliens are more originals than these ones, which were just mixes from the original series. Hopefully the last season has better action and less lengthy dialogue. If it does, I might become a full on Ben 10 fan, but right now, the show's not really giving me anything extremely special.

[Light Lucario]

I missed the first ten minutes of the finale, but I still thought that it was so awesome. I loved how they gathered the different friends, and villains in the case of Darkstar, to fight the Highbreed. Paradox was totally awesome. No wonder his episode was my favorite back in season one. I was surprised with how often Ben got knocked out in the course of the finale though.

At least everyone did have at least something to help fight off the Highbreed and we learned more about the Omnitrix. I totally loved seeing Kevin's tricked out car. No wonder he loves it and spends so much time on it. I was really amazed at how Gwen went into full anodite mode for Kevin. She really does like him. It was so sweet how Kevin was able to talk her down so she wouldn't lose her humanity. Awe, that was really sweet among all of the fighting.

Another highlight of the finale for me was the return of Max, with the newly named Max force. That reunion was really sweet too. I've missed him ever since that episode where Ben went into the Null Void. Ben really was showing how he was a fairly good leader with getting Kevin, Gwen and Azmuth to go through that portal with him. Even though the Highbreed breeding with their own race sounds really creepy, I thought that it made sense, in a really disturbing way. It also explained why they were turning other creatures into Highbreed.

I was glad that Ben could help end the war in a more peaceful way. It wouldn't make sense for him and the rest of his team to take out an entire race of aliens since he did say that they weren't going to take them out. Too bad I still missed the episode where Ben was with that Highbreed in the desert, but I'll see if CN has it on their video website later.

So Max is going to stay to train the new kids on Ben's team? That's cool. Kevin and Gwen finally admit that they like each other, Darkstar left in the battle, Paradox continued to be awesome and Azmuth pretty much left Ben without the Master control option. Made sense because it would give Ben way too much power to have control over everything right now. Though, I will admit that giving him a brand new batch of ten aliens doesn't feel right since I just got used to the new ones this season. Hopefully, they'll still show up too.

Overall, it was a really great finale. I think that it used all of the characters fairly well at least. I was hoping for a bit more of a battle before the peaceful agreement, but the first part had a lot of that anyway. I give this finale a solid 8/10. This was a great finale to the season. I'll be really happy to see the next season of Alien Force, which will hopefully explain more on Kevin's past, and Evolutions sounds a cool series too. I hope that Ben, Gwen and Kevin still fight together in that series though, or at least sometimes, since one of the reason why I like Alien Force so much is because of the how the three of them interact with each other.

[River26]

Mickialla, what would it take to make you happy? Which I kinda fail to see what would get you interested, would get your "blood boiling" (aka hyped up). I mean, everything's just there, as what a finale should be.

- An apocalyptic battle
- A highbreed agreeing with Ben to call off the attack on Earth.
- An overall happy ending.

Personally, there was nothing it lacked.

[Mickialla]

Mikialla, what would it take to make you happy. Which I kinda fail to see what would get you interested, would get your "blood boiling" (aka hyped up). I mean, everything's just there, as what a finale should be.

- An apocalyptic battle
- A highbreed agreeing with Ben to call off the attack on Earth.
- An overall happy ending.

Personally, this season was lacking in NOTHING. There was nothing it lacked.

Sorry if I sounded dissapointed. I didn't say it was bad persay, I just said it wasn't outstanding. I just said I expected more. I missed the last ten minutes, so maybe I would've found it closer to perfect had I seen those last ten minutes. I liked the idea of an apocalyptic battle, but it didn't really seem intense enough. Not that it wasn't good, just not uber. I didn't see the entire second season, I missed all of this week's other new episodes, only having caught the ending of "Unearthed". So I can't say if this season was lacking or not, which I didn't say it was. In fact, "Voided" was an excellent episode. Probably one of my favorite episodes of all of the CN Original premieres during 2008. This finale was good, just not excellent. The show definitely has more of my attention than it did in the first season, but I'm just not a flag-waving fan as of right now. Sorry if I came off as negative.

[chdr]

Not bad, not awesome. It was a good attempt. I liked the whole epic team up vibe they had going on, it took them 2 seasons to finally create the "Alien Force" within the show's title, but they finally got it done at least. But the fight scenes lacked a little bit. As usual, I've noticed there tends to be a little bit too much unnecessary dialogue. But Grandpa Max and the "Max Force"'s arrival was cool, but I wish they could have done some more butt-kicking than they actually got to do. I missed the last ten minutes where Riny shows up, but that was really cool that he did that. And what exactly did Asmuth say that was so obscene?
Azmuth essentially said that the reason why the Highbreed were attacking was not because of them being the "superior race", but because of the Highbreed dying out as a result of "inbreeding", "weak immune systems", "deformities", and eventually "sterility".

[RonDrakenfan17]

I'm just surprised that Kevin's name is actually Kevin E. Levin. :p

Anyway, it was a pretty good show and a decent finale. Though it seemed like the Highbreed rolled over a little too easily when Rynie came and said "I can show you the light."

So, next we get Ben 10: Evolutions, which has Ben fighting baddies all over the world. A neat follow up, considering we started on Ben, Gwen and Max's summer road trip in which they fought baddies all over the USA.

Serious? Ben will be fighting all over the world? Wo, guess I missed that part. Awesome, I wonder if Kevin and Gwen will be with him? Or maybe a new team? They just mentioned Ben hmmm. Well any who yah it was a fantastic finale...

[Paul_Cousins]

Two more things. I liked Gwen's semi-drug effects scene as they passed through the gate. It was very funny.

And onto a more unnerving note...

Azmuth stated that he made the Omnitrix as "Noah's Ark" for over a million alien species, including humans that can be brought back from possible extinction and well...

(Warning, possible head exploding comments below.)

We have already seen how the "Noah's Ark" function works with Big Chill in the "Save the Last Dance" episode.

This leads to three very squicky thoughts.

1. First, that it is very possible all the aliens Ben turns into are either female or hermaphrodite.

2. Azmuth all but outright stated that the Omnitrix can turn Ben into a human girl.

3. That the alien's Ben turns into are either already pregnant (and not showing, like Big Chill), or can be made pregnant by the Omnitrix.

In other words, the Omnitrix provides the "Adam", Ben provides the "Eve".

Now excuse me, I think I may need to bleach my brain (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BrainBleach).

[warnerbroman]

Two more things. I liked Gwen semi-drug scene as they passed through the gate. It was very funny.

And onto a more unnerving note...

Azmuth stated that he made the Omnitrix as "Noah's Ark" for over a million alien species, including humans that can be brought back from possible extinction and well...

(Warning, possible head exploding comments below.)

We have also seen how the "Noah's Ark" function works with Big Chill in the "Save the Last Dance" episode.

This leads to three very squicky thoughts.

1. First, that it is very possible all the aliens Ben turns into are either female or hermaphrodite.

2. Azmuth all but outright stated that the Omnitrix can turn Ben into a human girl.

3. That the alien's Ben turns into are either already pregnant (and not showing, like Big Chill), or can be made pregnant by the Omnitrix.

In other words, the Omnitrix provides the "Adam", Ben provides the "Eve".

Now excuse me, I think I may need to bleach my brain (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BrainBleach).and the fanfition will pour

exuse me as I use this



http://img3.cdn.crunchyroll.com/i/spire1/2e65f13b5e03ad9346e7d820c9d412fa1238098758_full.jpg

ANYTHING IS FREAKING POSSIBLE NOW!

[Paul_Cousins]

and the fanfition will pour

exuse me as I use thisFor those who still don't understand what I am talking about, in a nutshell...

Warning mature comment.

The Omnitrix was designed to turn the wearer into a living baby factory. No sex required.

[judyindisguise]

That was sooooo COOOL!!!!!

Man, I can't get over this show. It started out well, (with the original Ben 10), then developed a spinoff that's simply excellent. Tonight's finale was astoundingly good. And the eps that followed tonight's rebroadcast were equally excellent. The animation's improved, and the fight scenes rocked. And it's official - Spider Monkey is my fave Ben 10 alien. It's got a cool design and cool powers. I can't wait for Evolutions. Ben10: Alien Force is flat-out the best action toon since Avatar! :D

[Dudley]

Maybe not.

Maybe they he has to breed with another speicies to make it work, and it doesn't matter what they are.
That could explain the plumber's kids origins.

[R-Taco]

Was Ship always a Pokemon? I don't remember it saying it's own name all the time before.

[Meson]

Ship doesn't really talk. He talks like a parrot: mimmics others. Everyone calls him ship. Thus, he picked up that word.


As for the epsiodes, a little cheesy, but a fun finale to watch. The epsides did go by fast. I think they could have been added 1 or two more episodes of the fighting, but what has been is done. It was good to see everyone fighting as a team, as well as Cannonbolt, UpChuck, and Waybig in action. A fine ending to a fine season of Ben 10.

[Linkdarkside]

the season finaly was good,i loved the apearance of old alien and ben 10 swiching to the others.

Gwen trasforming was a surprise i mean i was expecting Kevin to transform not her.

i loved the ending i gues ben get 10 new aliens per season(remenber season 2 was part of season 1)

only problem is that ben keep swapfire alot.

[Lachesis]

Lots of good ideas, and a good ending, but everything just felt really sloppy. Why get Dark Star out of the Null void and not Max and his crew? Why waste all that time curing the DNAliens when they needed to take out the arch to stop the invasion first? Why didn't Kevin just absorb whatever the arch was made of and then punch it? How did Riney/Max/Manny show up at exactly the right time out of nowhere?

And Kevin Evan Levin? His parents were *sadists.*

[River26]

Sorry guys, but I don't believe that you truly liked the episode. Because how can you hate but like at the same time? It really doesn't make any sense and it's overally impossible.

You either like it, or you don't. You're in or your out.

[RonDrakenfan17]

Sorry guys, but I don't believe that you truly liked the episode. Because how can you hate but like at the same time? It really doesn't make any sense and it's overally impossible.

You either like it, or you don't. You're in or your out.

Well you can have cons and pros about some thing you like. I am one of those who loved it all around but there are some who might not like one thing. Doesn't mean they don't like the movie over all. But this is just my opinion :)

[Mickialla]

Sorry guys, but I don't believe that you truly liked the episode. Because how can you hate but like at the same time? It really doesn't make any sense and it's overally impossible.

You either like it, or you don't. You're in or your out.

No one is saying they liked it and hated it at the same time. You can like something and criticize it at the same time. Every good thing has things it can improve on and every bad thing has something about it that shines. The finale was overall pretty good. I just expected a little bit more epicness is all.

[Linkdarkside]

wend gwen yelled leave him alone it reminded me of Starfire from the teen titan movie.

[Beefy]

Anyway, it was a pretty good show and a decent finale. Though it seemed like the Highbreed rolled over a little too easily when Rynie came and said "I can show you the light."
True dat. I don't really see a corrupt government going back on all their beliefs and relinquishing their power over the course of two minutes.

[Collie]

Lots of good ideas, and a good ending, but everything just felt really sloppy. Why get Dark Star out of the Null void and not Max and his crew?

They didn't want to interrupt Max and his team while they were in the middle of trying to clean up the Null Void. Plus, while I didn't see Darkstar Rising, it's possible they knew exactly where Darkstar was and would have had to search for Max and company, which would have taken more time.

Why waste all that time curing the DNAliens when they needed to take out the arch to stop the invasion first?

There were something like four thousand DNAliens there. They were going to have to fight their way through them one way or the other to get to the arch in the first place; this was just a lot faster than having to actually knock them all out.

Why didn't Kevin just absorb whatever the arch was made of and then punch it?

There's no guarantee that absorbing the material of the arch would have made him strong enough to deal it significant damage on his own, plus even Kevin might not have known what it was made of and whatever it was, combined with the active warpgate energies, might have had some nasty side effects.

How did Riney/Max/Manny show up at exactly the right time out of nowhere?

The life of a superhero is rife with bizarre instances of coincidental timing.

And Kevin Evan Levin? His parents were *sadists.*

I thought it was Ethan? Either way, we know why Kevin used to be such a jerk now. :)

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Jah, it was Ethan.


I gotta say, unlike 90% of the board members, I love AF Ben. He's become a witty and wiser guy, while retaining the flaws of teenhood. Those moments between the main trio are often simply gold and have really kept the series fresh, smalltalk-wise.

[Collie]

Jah, it was Ethan.


I gotta say, unlike 90% of the board members, I love AF Ben. He's become a witty and wiser guy, while retaining the flaws of teenhood. Those moments between the main trio are often simply gold and have really kept the series fresh, smalltalk-wise.

I'm with you. He's a lot different from when he was a kid, but you can still see elements of the same old Ben in there so it's not a total 'where did this dude come from?'.

[vanidad]

Was Ship always a Pokemon? I don't remember it saying it's own name all the time before.

Ship a pokemon I do not think I will recommend you see the episodes 7 and 19 as a suggestion.

[River26]

Jah, it was Ethan.


I gotta say, unlike 90% of the board members, I love AF Ben. He's become a witty and wiser guy, while retaining the flaws of teenhood. Those moments between the main trio are often simply gold and have really kept the series fresh, smalltalk-wise.

Yeah, which he's pretty much like us. I mean sure, we do some lame stuff now and then as well but like that quote in TWEWY. "Nothing we ever do in life is ever truly a waste". Is also true, well IMO.

I thought it was Ethan? Either way, we know why Kevin used to be such a jerk now. :)

It is Ethan :). But in anycase. That's what makes him unique and a likable character. I'd definitely use these three in my fics anyday.

And from seeing Alien Swarm's trailer; AF's Live Action. Keyes also does Kevin justice as well. Had my doubts about it. But from seeing the trailer, the doubts seem to have lifted :D.

[vkitty]

I enjoyed the episode quite a bit. I've fallen hopelessly in love with the show, it seems to be one of the few great cartoons out there right now. (IMHO)

I loved that they brought back a lot of the side characters personally, although the only ones I really hoped for were Julie, Ship, and Max. The finale was a good one, but I have to agree with some of the other posts. It did seem rushed, not the beginning as much as the end. All of these characters were brought back, and that was great, but it seemed the part that was supposed to be the most "epic" was kind of lost in the rushed ending. I think making it a three parter would've been rather nice.

Also, anyone else notice Ben pulling an Aladdin? (When he walked out of the broken wall/window into seemingly thin air to land on Ship. Very reminiscent of the balcony scene with the magic carpet.)

[Polychrome]

I guess I have to be the first one to mention it. Here it goes.

Coop possess the Sharingan. Just another Naruto influence.

Wait a sec...did you just call him Coop?

*brain asplodes as mental image of a character from a previous CN show comes to mind*

Holy crap is that intentional? D:

As for the gender bending, I'm pretty sure that was a one-shot deal that had little purpose plotwise aside from embarassing Ben in front of Julie and creeping out the viewers in ways that a little green man known as Zim could only dream of. Ben could just as easily be a walking Titan A.E. Heck, that's what came to mind when I heard the "Noah's Ark" line, since Titan A.E. was specifically written with that in mind.

[Paul_Cousins]

As for the gender bending, I'm pretty sure that was a one-shot deal that had little purpose plotwise aside from embarassing Ben in front of Julie and creeping out the viewers in ways that a little green man known as Zim could only dream of. Ben could just as easily be a walking Titan A.E. Heck, that's what came to mind when I heard the "Noah's Ark" line, since Titan A.E. was specifically written with that in mind.Actually, the gender bending actually has been done twice so far to those characters. Once in the first series, where Ben and Gwen switch bodies for a little while, and in the episode "Save the Last Dance".

[Collie]

Actually, the gender bending actually has been done twice so far to those characters. Once in the first series, where Ben and Gwen switch bodies for a little while, and in the episode "Save the Last Dance".

The 'Gwen 10' episode was a 'what if' imaginary story (well, more imaginary than the regular stories), it didn't really happen.

[Meson]

Collie, he is refering to the episode where Charmcaster tried to switch bodies with Ben to get the Omnitrix. She accidently switches Gwen and Ben instead. It's a canon episode as it is the episode where Gwen steals Charmcaster's spell book.

[Paul_Cousins]

Collie, he is refering to the episode where Charmcaster tried to switch bodies with Ben to get the Omnitrix. She accidently switches Gwen and Ben instead. It's a canon episode as it is the episode where Gwen steals Charmcaster's spell book.The episode is titled, "A Change of Face"

[zoombie]

The episode is titled, "A Change of Face"

May I mention one of my favorite if not the favorite non Vilgax, Ghostfreak, or Kevin 11 episode.

That episode really gives you a look into why Charmcaster thinks the way she does about the world. That plus how Hex treated her in "Tough Luck" I hope season 3 they go more indept into that. Anyway one thing that I thought was unusal, was when Gwen and Charmcaster switched bodies their voices didn't change, but when Ben and Gwen were in each other's bodies, their voices switched.

Ow well, this entire is off topic, but I recommend this episode. It is a classic.

[Collie]

Collie, he is refering to the episode where Charmcaster tried to switch bodies with Ben to get the Omnitrix. She accidently switches Gwen and Ben instead. It's a canon episode as it is the episode where Gwen steals Charmcaster's spell book.

Ah, my bad. Never saw that one.

[zoombie]

Ah, my bad. Never saw that one.

Too bad, check it out. It is awsome. It always reveals a dark secret of Ben, that Ben better hope Kevin never finds out, or he will never hear the end of it.

[Paul_Cousins]

May I mention one of my favorite if not the favorite non Vilgax, Ghostfreak, or Kevin 11 episode.

That episode really gives you a look into why Charmcaster thinks the way she does about the world. That plus how Hex treated her in "Tough Luck" I hope season 3 they go more indept into that. Anyway one thing that I thought was unusal, was when Gwen and Charmcaster switched bodies their voices didn't change, but when Ben and Gwen were in each other's bodies, their voices switched.

Ow well, this entire is off topic, but I recommend this episode. It is a classic.Yea, it was a good episode. I look forward to seeing how Alien Force will handle Charmcaster as well. That, and Kevin's backstory are the two plot points I look foward to the most of the next season.

[zoombie]

Yea, it was a good episode. I look forward to seeing how Alien Force will handle Charmcaster as well. That, and Kevin's backstory are the two plot points I look foward to the most of the next season.

I think their could be a connection. It is pretty clear to me that Kevin and Charmcaster's reasons for being villains are very similar.

[Alien X]

Aww I missed it. I hope they show it on the Web Soon.

[KPTitan]

True dat. I don't really see a corrupt government going back on all their beliefs and relinquishing their power over the course of two minutes.

Don't ya just wish that all the real governments could do that?....unless it's something bad of course.

I got to watch the finale on iTunes. My favorite part was seeing how tricked out Kevin's car was.:D I wonder what he's gonna be driving in season 3...