Toon Zone Talkback - Animation News from the 2009 Cartoon Network Upfront

[Ed Liu]

This is the talkback thread for Animation News from the 2009 Cartoon Network Upfront (http://news.toonzone.net/articles/29112/updates-from-the-2009-cartoon-network-upfront).

More to come....

[ShadowGUN]

So far so good.

[macattack]

No real surprises yet.

[Racattack!Force]

Nothing that we didn't know so far...

[macattack]

John Dorian said half of the Upfront will be stuff we know already, while the other half we MAY not know. He also said there aren't many surprises, good and bad.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Certainly interesting information, for me at least.

[macattack]

Ben 10 fans will keep getting their fix for a third season and TDA has its official confirmation.

[Ed Liu]

Latest updates:

- New show from Genndy Tartakovsky: Sym-Bionic Titan
- New show from Man of Action: Generator Rex
- More news about Total Drama Action and new season of Ben 10.

[ShadowGUN]

Sym Bionic Titan and Generator Rex sound interesting. So in season 3 Ben getting a new Omnitrix or are they talking about the upgrade version he currently has?

[macattack]

New Genndy series! I feel like crying manly tears all over my keyboard.

[Racattack!Force]

Sym-Bionic Titan
From creator Genndy Tartakovsky (Dexter's Laboratory, Samurai Jack) comes an exciting hybrid of high school drama and giant robot battles. Sym-Bionic Titan follows the adventures of three beings from planet Galauna who crash-land on Earth while attempting to escape their war-torn world.

HELL YES. :D

[macattack]

HELL YES. :D

Yeah, that made my day too. :D It can't come out soon enough.

[macattack]

The updates are really coming now. New Scooby show and the Firebreather movie.

[ShadowGUN]

Freaking sweet a new Scooby Doo show :D .

[D.Shaffer]

Titan and Rex sound interesting. I'd want to see artwork before I get to excited, though.

[macattack]

Titan and Rex sound interesting. I'd want to see artwork before I get to excited, though.

Genndy. Tartakovsky. What ISN'T there to be excited about already with Titan?

The 2nd show I am in agreement with, though, because MOA's track record is spotty, IMO.

[Matt Hazuda]

For those of you who just want to read the full PR, just go to http://news.turner.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=4334

It lists everything from the upfront (barring some Upfront-only news)

[Ed Liu]

Updates with returning series and other stuff that's already been announced.

You'll have to go somewhere else for now if you want to know about the live-action stuff ;).

[macattack]

Looks like virtually every show that has begun since Snyder took over will be renewed. There's also something called Ben 10: Evolutions which may be a movie or a new series, I dunno. The lone holdover from the previous regime is Pokemon.

[Matt Hazuda]

There's also something called Ben 10: Evolutions which may be a movie or a new series, I dunno.It's the next Ben 10 series. Alien Force is ending after this season.

[Racattack!Force]

It's the next Ben 10 series. Alien Force is ending after this season.Isn't Evolutions just the third season? :sweat: Why call it a different series?

[ShadowGUN]

Isn't Evolutions just the third season? :sweat: Why call it a different series?

Probably because there is not an Alien Force in the third season ;) . Speaking of which why do we have to wait till 2010 for Ben 10: Evolutions?

So no Shippuden or D.Gray Man? :sad:

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Isn't Evolutions just the third season? :sweat: Why call it a different series?

For the same reason they created a second show, toys.

[Raidon Makoto]

YES YES YES! Something new from Genndy Tartavoksky! Looks like I'll be watching CN once again.

The live-action is incredibly disturbing.

[The Wolverine]

So no Shippuden or D.Gray Man? :sad:

Cartoon Network doesn't usually announce anything regarding anime in their upfronts.

[ShadowGUN]

Cartoon Network doesn't usually announce anything regarding anime in their upfronts.

*checks upfront article*

You mean like Bakugan or Pokemon :p ?

[Raidon Makoto]

*checks upfront article*

You mean like Bakugan or Pokemon :p ?
CN pretty much owns Bakugan. Nintendo pays CN lots of money to promote and show Pokemon. They don't count.

[The Wolverine]

*checks upfront article*

You mean like Bakugan or Pokemon :p ?

Those are exceptions.

[Ed Liu]

CN pretty much owns Bakugan. Nintendo pays CN lots of money to promote and show Pokemon. They don't count.
It's anime or it's not, if you must insist on using the category, and nobody really disputes that Bakugan and Pokemon are anime. CN does report on their anime programming at the upfronts.

Just not YOUR anime ;).

[Raidon Makoto]

It's anime or it's not, if you must insist on using the category, and nobody really disputes that Bakugan and Pokemon are anime. CN does report on their anime programming at the upfronts.

Just not YOUR anime ;).
Then let me rephrase; Anime for people over the age of seven.

[zoombie]

While I am glad to hear about a new season or series of Ben 10. I wished they could have waited a few more days for this, because they just spoiled the finale on Friday.

Thanks a lot Cartoon Network.

[Kazuya Prower]

After reading the synopsis for Ben 10: Evolutions, I hope we don't see the return of the egotistical side of Ben.

[Ed Liu]

Refresh the article. We got pictures now.

Generation Rex has a cigar smoking robot gorilla (http://news.toonzone.net/images/2009-03/CNupfront/Generator-Rex1000.jpg) in it and This. Is. AWESOME!!!!!!

Also, Sym-Bionic Titan looks like Genndy Tartakovsky does Giant Robots Punching Each Other, and This. Is. ALSO. AWESOME!!!!!!

[zoombie]

After reading the synopsis for Ben 10: Evolutions, I hope we don't see the return of the egotistical side of Ben.

After all that is happened him, I dobut that. Too much near tragety and apperant tragety has happened for him to go back down that road. We all knew eventully everyone would know Ben's secret, because of the episode Ben 10,000, but still surprised they are doing a series with that.

BTW, Ben 10: Evolution is a new series in the same sense of ever Pokemon series except for Pokemon Chronicles is different from each other. If you think of it as new series or new season, either way you are not totally wrong.

Does this mean, after this Friday, there will be no new Ben 10 animated adventures till 2010. I thought they were already working on season 3?

[D Dubbs]

Sym-Bionic Titan and Generator Rex look like they have potential. Though, it's kinda scary that there are almost as many new live-action shows as animated shows.

[Mister Intensity]

Another Scooby-Doo series. At least this time, those meddling kids get co-billing -- although I prefer the title Scooby-Doo and Those Meddling Kids :). I know I'll be watching.

[Kazuya Prower]

BTW, Ben 10: Evolution is a new series in the same sense of ever Pokemon series except for Pokemon Chronicles is different from each other. If you think of it as new series or new season, either way you are not totally wrong.


But of course, I mean, it's going to take place a year after Alien Force, right?

[Marvin Tikvah]

Genndy Tartokovsky and giant robots sounds like a winning combo to me.

[zoombie]

But of course, I mean, it's going to take place a year after Alien Force, right?

A year or a few months, depending on when Ben's birthday is. Even if it is a year, a one year time skip is not that long, like a 5 year time skip. And some series have had long time jumps and still consider the same series like Gurren Lagann and Mobile Suit Gundam 00.

[Ed Liu]

The CN Press Release about the Upfront is now published (http://news.toonzone.net/articles/29115/pr-cartoon-network-continues-evolution-wlargest-most-diverse-slate-in-network-hist), if you want to see what they had to say about things.

[Martianinvader]

It gives hope. The new shows don't sound uber-childish, and there's no live-action in the schedule (yet) so....good for you, CN.

But really....how much more Ben 10 can there be? Is the show really THAT much of a success? I'm angry now because plenty of better programs didn't get nearly as many episodes.

[ichormosquito]

Dear Lord, that publicity art is EPIC!!!!!!!!!

[D Dubbs]

It gives hope. The new shows don't sound uber-childish, and there's no live-action in the schedule (yet) so....good for you, CN.

Oh, there's live-action. Six series, two pilots and three movies, to be exact. Toon Zone just didn't cover those in their article.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

We need a Scooby/Batman: TBaTB crossover, stat.


Looking forward to more Ben 10.

[zoombie]

Now that is offical, both shows are continuing, since someone brought up crossovers, I would like to see a Ben 10: Evolutions and Secret Saturdays crossover. The SS writers opened the door to that, they would love to do it.

But one thing I do fear about Ben 10: Evolutions, is that they won't have a main story to follow, and it will be all stand alones / villain of the week episodes.

[RonDrakenfan17]

The updates are really coming now. New Scooby show and the Firebreather movie.

New Scooby series? Freakin yes :D
Why couldn't it continue with Shaggy and Scooby-Doo Get a Clue though I wonder. I wonder what this series will be about? I'd love it if it were about Shaggy and Scooby being spys :p
I wonder if this new Ben 10 series will be about Ben being an adult.

[Kazuya Prower]

I wonder if this new Ben 10 series will be about Ben being an adult.

It says Ben will be 16 in this series.

[RonDrakenfan17]

It says Ben will be 16 in this series.

How old was he in AF? 14?
I just read the description of the show oy. Ben being loved by every one that should be fun to see :p
I wonder if Kevin will still be apart of the show? Will he be dating Gwen by than?
Read what Scooby-Doo will be about, will it continue on from Shaggy and Scooby-Doo Get a Clue? Cuz in Wiki said the next series could do that, but than why litsen to a website that's not so reliable LOL. I just hate how they keep remaking the series, I also wonder what animation styles they'll be using...What about the Direct to DVD movies? Will they be remade two? Or just not be connected?

[Kazuya Prower]

How old was he in AF? 14?


Ben is 15 in Alien Force.

[SuperMegaHyper]

Well I'll be damn, this is looking better and better, hoping for more (good) news.:D

Also I'm still not sure what that mystery teaser is?

[DeanBurrito25]

So far this year's upfront looks likes its living up to its hype. Here are my opinions of the new stuff:

Scooby-Doo - Mystery, Inc.: Another Scooby Doo series? Hmm. It might be worth checking out.

Firebreather: I'm not sure about this one.

Sym-Bionic Titan: A new series created by Genney Tartakovsky? AW YEAH!!! :anime:

Generator Rex: Sounds interesting.

Total Drama Action: Well, I won't be watching that show. :shrug:

Adventure Time with Finn and Jake: Been looking foward to that series ever since I saw the Random Cartoons short. :)

Stoked: Ehh, no thanks. I think I'll pass. :yawn:

New episodes of Chowder and Flapjack: Can't wait!

Waiting for more to come...:)

[creativerealms]

As long as Sym-Bionic Titan is not boring as hell like Samurai Jack is it sounds good.

[macattack]

As long as Sym-Bionic Titan is not boring as hell like Samurai Jack is it sounds good.

That is the first time I've ever seen SJ described as "boring as hell". :eek:

[Jeff Harris]

Well, there is another season of Ben 10 Alien Force after this season's finale this week, and THEN the new series begins.

I think I'm excited about three shows: Sym-Bionic Titan, Generator Rex, and, shockingly, Prepped. Not really a fan of reality shows (particularly the ripoffs of existing "alternative" reality fare from Sci Fi, Discovery, and YTV) nor live-action in general on the network, but there's something about Prepped that seems like it could be the Prisoner-esque to say the least. It's no Tomorrow People, but it could be good.

And I think the mystery teaser is for The Othersiders.

[the KING]

Sym-Bionic Titan! AWSOME ! this is a beter upfront then last year.;)

[zoombie]

Well, there is another season of Ben 10 Alien Force after this season's finale this week, and THEN the new series begins.


Are you sure? I thought the new series is season 3? I didn't see any announcement about another season of Alien Force. I am a little confused here. But a while back, Duff McDuffie said they were working on season 3, and that was long ago, so it should be ready long before 2010.

I hope you are right, because if not, than that means no new animated Ben 10 for the rest of the year after this week.

[creativerealms]

That is the first time I've ever seen SJ described as "boring as hell". :eek:

Well it was, the pointless build up of tension that long pointless scenes where nothing happens. Boring. Samurai Jack was a piece of art and little more. All fluff and no substance.

[NewcomerDC]

We need a Scooby/Batman: TBaTB crossover, stat.
No, just no for moe crossovers especially between two shows that have nothing related to each other. They already had a crossover back in the Scooby-Doo Movies and we don't need another one.

Looking forward to more Ben 10.
No, just a definite no. Unless we get a Ben 10,000 series or a Ken 10 series, why should we get more Ben 10?

[Sprocket]

Well, Ben 10 is CN's baby, so it's no surprise that it's continuing with another season.

What I would have loved to hear about it something new about Transformers: Animated, but given that the third season only started airing two weeks ago, it would be a little soon to have any new information about it.

My pessimistic side is predicting a new Transformers series on Nickelodeon by late 2009. Possibly by Larry Schwarz. Hoping I'm wrong about the Larry Schwarz part, at least. Being on Nick might not be so bad.

As for Genndy's new series? Well, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that Genndy loves his giant robots. I have high hopes for this. I hope MOA's new series turns out great too, but they've consistently surprised me in the past, so I have a feeling this will turn out to be a pretty good series.

[Mr. Ralph]

the monkey with the cigar is cool enough alone for me to watch the show:cool::cool:

[Jacob T. Paschal]

No, just no for moe crossovers especially between two shows that have nothing related to each other. They already had a crossover back in the Scooby-Doo Movies and we don't need another one.


No, just a definite no. Unless we get a Ben 10,000 series or a Ken 10 series, why should we get more Ben 10?

I'm sorry you feel that way

That being said, I don't care.

[Marvin Tikvah]

That is the first time I've ever seen SJ described as "boring as hell". :eek:

I like Samurai Jack, but I agree with Creative. The snail's pace of the show was more prevalent than the awesome action scenes that the show is famous for. It's practically the reason I didn't enjoy it as much when I was a kid.

[chdr]

Mecha show by Genndy Tartakovsky = WIN

Cigar-smoking killer apes = WIN

ADVENTURE TIME!!!!111!!!! = WIN

The Prisoner, by Paul Dini = WIN, albeit live-action

Reality shows = NOT WIN (although DWWH sounds interesting)

2010 will be terribly awesome and awesomely terrible at the same time.

[Jeff Harris]

One item that has been virtually ignored in the whole dialogue is that Cartoon Network's presenting an ANIMATED action film based on the Image Universe title, Firebreather. It's CGI, but it does sound promising to say the least, not to mention it's animated.

[chdr]

One item that has been virtually ignored in the whole dialogue is that Cartoon Network's presenting an ANIMATED action film based on the Image Universe title, Firebreather. It's CGI, but it does sound promising to say the least, not to mention it's animated.I didn't cover that mainly because I've known about that for a year or so. Didn't the original press release say it was going to be live-action?

[macattack]

I didn't cover that mainly because I've known about that for a year or so. Didn't the original press release say it was going to be live-action?

No, the intention was it to be CGI from the beginning.

[Dudley]

New Ben 10 season (with less retcon I hope), new Tartovkosky show, an action cartoon about kid with growing tech weapons (I can see the toys flying off the shelves now), Marvel Superhero Squad, TDA, Chowder, Flapjack, and Adventure Time= Awesomeness!

Live action shows = Cartoon Network changing into Children's Network.
Be prepared.

[chdr]

New Ben 10 season (with less retcon I hope), new Tartovkosky show, an action cartoon about kid with growing tech weapons (I can see the toys flying off the shelves now), Marvel Superhero Squad, TDA, Chowder, Flapjack, and Adventure Time= Awesomeness!

Live action shows = Cartoon Network changing into Children's Network.
Be prepared.Doubt it. CN will probably retain its name, just like MTV, for one reason: brand recognition.

[macattack]

Doubt it. CN will probably retain its name, just like MTV, for one reason: brand recognition.

It'll be morbidly hilarious if three-four years from now there's no animated programming and it's all live-action and they still call it Cartoon Network.

[Dr.Pepper]

The new Tartovkosky show took me by surprise looks interesting, but it doesn't look like anything that I will watch religiously. I am interested in Adventure Time.

[Racattack!Force]

Surprisingly, Prepped sounds pretty awesome. :sweat:

[CartoonCrazy]

Can't wait for the Scooby Doo spinoff and Adventure Time, as long as they do it right. Everything else.. not so much..

[veemonjosh]

The thing that confuses me is that I had read on the Ben 10 production blog that season 3 of Alien Force was going to be focused on Kevin's time in the Null Void. If we have Ben 10 Evolutions, there's no way that can happen right away...

So, if I had to guess, the fact that Evolutions is listed SEPARATE from the new Alien Force announcement, there will be a third season of AF just before Evolutions premieres.

Just thought I'd point that out for all of those saying Friday's season finale is the final Alien Force adventure.

[John Dorian]

Yep, I was right. A lot of things were awesome (Generator Rex, Sym-Bionic Titan), shocking (A Gorilla with a cigarette), a little abundant (Ben 10 and Scooby Doo) and horrifying (Most of the Live Action crop) at the same time.


And, Prepped sounds like a awesome kids' version of Lost, considering Paul Dini is involved in that show.

And for the fact that the Scooby Doo series from Warner Bros. Animation was actually announced last year when I reprted it.

You can never have too much Ben and Scooby.

[Yusuke Urameshi]

Wow. sym-biotic titan looks absolutely amazing!

Im really happy about these new shows.. except the live-action.

[Mala Loba]

The thing that confuses me is that I had read on the Ben 10 production blog that season 3 of Alien Force was going to be focused on Kevin's time in the Null Void. If we have Ben 10 Evolutions, there's no way that can happen right away...

So, if I had to guess, the fact that Evolutions is listed SEPARATE from the new Alien Force announcement, there will be a third season of AF just before Evolutions premieres.

Just thought I'd point that out for all of those saying Friday's season finale is the final Alien Force adventure.

I'm thinking you're right. McDuffie's site says that Evolutions picks up after the season three finale. :)

[bigddan11]

It's the next Ben 10 series. Alien Force is ending after this season.
To back up what you've said, with Ben 10: Evolutions debuting in 2010, it looks like the third season of Ben 10: Alien Force, which was ordered at the same time as season 2, will debut this fall and will have a finale of Ben, Gwen,and Kevin having their identities revealed. Also, while you weren't guilty of it, people please stop calling Evolutions the third season of Ben 10. It's the third series of Ben 10 and will consist of the eigth season and probably more.

[zoombie]

What I wonder if how many episodes will season 3 of Ben 10: AF be, 13 or 26. Every Ben 10 season has been 13 episodes, but now a days you see more 26 episode seasons like the Secret Saturdays and Total Drama Island.

[Swonker]

There will be one more season of Alien Force and then there will be Evolutions.

As for why there's a new series so soon... it has to do with union rules. If a show goes on for more than three seasons, everyone working on it gets a pay raise. CN doesn't want to pay that extra money, but they still want to milk Ben 10. Thus, new series.

[soundmonkey44]

I find many things in the upfront I like and many I dislike. Titan & Rex sound interesting,Still can't wait for Adventure time! :D Dissapointed to find out Naruto is Kaputske for good.:(

Right now im about 50/50 on what ive read, it seems like CN is Trying to copy Disney & Nick while at the same time keep there orgionallity, isnt that a Paradox though, I gues I'll just have to wait and see.:sweat:

By the way..whens the AS upfront!?

[SuperMegaHyper]

Well, personally I wont knock any of these shows, until I see them, It's possible Yes they could suck, but they could still be good. (maybe:sweat:) That leads me to think CN is looking alot more and more like older Nick ( I can't if that's a good thing or a bad thing.:shrug: )

[{Shadow}]

By the way..whens the AS upfront!?
May 20th.

[J!!!]

I wanna see the new mech show and the new Ben 10 show I can't wait:D

[Comics_the_QB]

Wow, the animation news is fantastic. The other live-action crap isn't.

So:

-Sym-Bionic Titan: WHAT!? A new Tartakovsky show? Someone at CN loves us. I will check this out.
-Generator Rex: Very cool. I will also check this out and hope I like it as much as I do Ben 10.
-Ben 10: Evolutions: Hopefully B10: AF will have its last season, and then this will show up. Anyway, I'll check it out.
-Scooby Doo-Mystery Inc: A new Scooby show, huh? 'Bout time. Looking forward to this.
-Firebreather: Hmm... Let's see some pictures, then I'll judge it, because I'm a bit uneasy about the CG part. Maybe, just maybe...
-Adventure Time: Already new about this. It will be good
- Total Drama Action: Again, already knew about it, but I will like it.
-Stoked: Not as big as a fan of 6Teen as I am TDI/A, but I'll give it a shot.

Returning:
-Chowder
-Flapjack
-Star Wars: Clone Wars
-Batman: The Brave and the Bold


YES to all of the above shows, and even the movie. Congrats CN for at least attempting to balance good animated shows with awful live action shows. Also coming soon (ones I'm either looking forward to or somewhat looking forward to.) is Cartoonstitute, Pink Panther & Pals, and Marvel Superhero Squad. :D

We need a Scooby/Batman: TBaTB crossover, stat.
You're a genius.

[J!!!]

Anyone else notice that in CN's press release they call Adventure Time "Adventure time with Finn and Jake"? and 10 bucks say the new Ben 10 show will get it's name changed one last time.

[HG Revolution]

Adventure Time should be good and Sym-Bionic Titan should be amazing enough to make me almost wish I cared about CN again.

Then I see the live-action news and the constant milking of Scooby and Ben 10 and remember why I don't care.

[bigddan11]

What I wonder if how many episodes will season 3 of Ben 10: AF be, 13 or 26. Every Ben 10 season has been 13 episodes, but now a days you see more 26 episode seasons like the Secret Saturdays and Total Drama Island.
It will be 13 episodes, because they picked up 13 episodes of season 2 & 3 at the same time. Also, The Secret Saturdays was originally 26 episodes, but after the success it had with the early showings CN ordered an additional 10 episodes for season 1, making it 36 episodes. You can't use Total Drama Action as an example because it is an acquisition, not a CN original.

[Mickialla]

Well, during that PR read, I jumped for joy, I banged my head against the desk, I cried tears of joy and fear.

Adventure Time is looking better than I expected, and I already expected a lot (Though I'm confused as to why they extended the name to Adventure Time with Finn and Jake, not that it bothers me).
Ben 10: Evolutions might be ok, but Ben 10 always seems to be either hit or miss with me. I'm a little surprised that there's a new show so early. Alien Force didn't even start a year ago.
Stoked I'm not happy about one bit.
Total Drama Action I'm not going crazy over, but it probably won't be terrible.
Sym-Bionic Titan?? OH MY GOODNESS GRACIOUS!!! I knew Genndy was doing a pilot for Cartoonstitute and I got excited. But now he's doing a new show and I need a new pair of pants!! This is the highlight of my day. Genndy is obviously in love with mecha and he's an expert with them; now he's doing a whole show on them!! Once again, oh my goodness gracious.
Generator Rex also looks pretty sweet. Cigar-smoking gorilla? Hell yeah! Once again, Man of Action's work always seems pretty hit or miss with me, but this looks better than Ben 10 and Alien Force already.
Scooby-Doo Mystery Inc. was somewhat of a delightful surprise. A new Scooby show should be fun, all I hope is that they revert to the original designs and not the designs they used in Get A Clue!.

On the movies, Ben 10: Alien Swarm doesn't really affect me either way. Scooby-Doo: The Mystery Begins will probably be decent. I'm looking forward to Firebreather, I just hope CN can pull of CGI. And Tiger's Apprentice has a good plot, but I'm dissapointed because they really could've done this animated. Also, what happened to Mice Templar? I was actually looking forward to that the most.

And now for the negative part of this post. The Othersiders is live action and this is Cartoon Network; obviously the creators of the show got lost on their way to their pitch. This show sounds like it could have a good plot, but don't count on me watching it. All the other, um, "Alternative" series are terrible in every aspect, not just because they're live action, but because they're reality/game shows. Really? Reaally? The two pilots Unnatural History and Prepped have good plots, but they're live action, and I don't care if Paul Dini's working on Prepped. The plots could've easily transitioned into cartoon form. Not happy with any of that. But at least the last two are just pilots. But in the past, a lot of stuff has tended to not make it past the upfront (a la Santo). Hopefully this is the case here.

It's nice to see all of the series from last year returning, and it's good to know that that "Chowder's ending" rumor has been put to rest. One question though: WHERE THE FLADOODLES IS CARTOONSTITUTE?? That's what I was looking forward to most, and there's no sign of it. :sad: Sigh...

All in all, I'm OVERJOYED with Titan, I'm interested in Rex, and I'm impatient for Adventure Time. 2009's going to be a paradox rollercoaster. Some stuff is going to shine and remind me of what Cartoon Network should be, and some stuff is going to make me feel like Old School Nick crawled up from the past and vomited on Cartoon Network.

[zoombie]

As for why there's a new series so soon... it has to do with union rules. If a show goes on for more than three seasons, everyone working on it gets a pay raise. CN doesn't want to pay that extra money, but they still want to milk Ben 10. Thus, new series.

So that is the reason for Transformer Animated ending so soon?

[The Cartoon]

This is great.

All of the new animated series sound great. I'm really looking forward to the new Scooby-Doo series because the last one wasn't very good and the gang is back together. Adventure Time has potential to be up to Flapjack/Chowder standards if done well. I can't wait for TDA and Stoked. I love TDI and 6Teen so I have high hopes. I think that Sym-Bionic Titan has potential to bring in the classic cartoon feel, but I'm not sure it's my kind of plot. I think I have to see Generator Rex before I can say anything about it because the summary doesn't reveal a lot. If Man of Action created it, it should be pretty good.

The live action sounds like it could be worse to me. As a fan of the paranormal, I'm actually looking forward to The Othersiders. Survive This will have to be very similar to Survivor for me to like it. If it's not an elimination game, I'm not interested. Destroy Build Destroy sounds awful to me. Head Rush could be ok, I like game shows. Dude, What Would Happen? I have no prediction for. I'll have to watch it before I judge. Bobb’e Says sounds pretty bad, but I'll give it a chance.

The movies all sound pretty good. The Scripted Live Action plots don't. I'm really happy with all of the returning series. I'm really looking forward to the rest of 2009.

[Racattack!Force]

http://news.toonzone.net/images/2009-03/CNupfront/t-Symbionic_Promo02.jpghttp://news.toonzone.net/images/2009-03/CNupfront/t-Symbionic_Promo011000.jpg

Genndy is doing a mecha series, Man of Action is making a new show that looks full of awesome (monkey with cigar), new episodes of my favorite shows, and more. It's almost enough to make me forgot back all the live-action projects...almost. ;)

[ShadowGUN]

http://news.toonzone.net/images/2009-03/CNupfront/t-Symbionic_Promo02.jpghttp://news.toonzone.net/images/2009-03/CNupfront/t-Symbionic_Promo011000.jpg

Genndy is doing a mecha series, Man of Action is making a new show that looks full of awesome (monkey with cigar), new episodes of my favorite shows, and more. It's almost enough to make me forgot back all the live-action projects...almost. ;)

Whoa :eek: :eek: . Are those pics real? Because if they are, they look freaking awesome.

[J!!!]

Genndy is doing a mecha series, Man of Action is making a new show that looks full of awesome (monkey with cigar), new episodes of my favorite shows, and more. It's almost enough to make me forgot back all the live-action projects...almost. ;)
Acctually the new live action shows look sort of...........interesting.And I love a good mech show.

[Jacob T. Paschal]

Whoa :eek: :eek: . Are those pics real? Because if they are, they look freaking awesome.

Yes. They're taken from Harley's article.


Which people should read.

[The Wolverine]

WHERE THE FLADOODLES IS CARTOONSTITUTE?? That's what I was looking forward to most, and there's no sign of it. :sad: Sigh...


Since they announced it a year ago, there was no need to rehash what had already been said.

[Racattack!Force]

Acctually the new live action shows look sort of...........interesting.And I love a good mech show.The only one that I would actually watch would be Paul Dini's Prepped, which would be more suited to animation anyway.

[Mickialla]

Since they announced it a year ago, there was no need to rehash what had already been said.

Yea, but I was hoping on a short update. The number of shorts completed, an air date, some creator names maybe. Ah well, I guess I'll have to be patient.

[PanPizza15]

The only thing I can get hyped for is Sym-Bionic Titan because of the works of Samurai Jack and Dexter's Lab. That surf show looks like another 6Teen or TDI. I can imagine even more immature humor and gas jokes for 10 year olds who think Mtv is still good. Whats with a lot of the new shows saying "(Insert Name) is your basic Highschooler with (Insert Special Power)"

[Mesousa]

http://news.toonzone.net/images/2009-03/CNupfront/t-Symbionic_Promo02.jpghttp://news.toonzone.net/images/2009-03/CNupfront/t-Symbionic_Promo011000.jpg

Genndy is doing a mecha series, Man of Action is making a new show that looks full of awesome (monkey with cigar), new episodes of my favorite shows, and more. It's almost enough to make me forgot back all the live-action projects...almost. ;)

This just looks brutal, is the awesome, epic, kinda way.

The only thigns that really hurts are the live-action stuff, but I'll ignore them.

Too bad we'll have to wait for a pretty long time for those awesome action shows.

[PanPizza15]

Does CN even do anything Live Action anymore? I think Out of Jimmy's head killed it off hope for live action.

[Mesousa]

Does CN even do anything Live Action anymore? I think Out of Jimmy's head killed it off hope for live action.

Uh, they announced some live-action shows on the Upfront,sad, but true, I know, I just hope you don't whine too much about this.

[Jack_6428]

did they say anything about Cartoonstitute at the Upfront ? i was expecting a video promo...

[John Dorian]

Well, CN will announce The Cartoonstitute at a later date, since it's still in production.

[PanPizza15]

No live action show can ever be as great as Toonami's once in a life time classic, Wulin Warriors...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtobnS7WhRY

Would you believe it lasted only 2 episodes?

[veemonjosh]

No live action show can ever be as great as Toonami's once in a life time classic, Wulin Warriors...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtobnS7WhRY

Would you believe it lasted only 2 episodes?

Yes, we were there... :shrug:

[Dr.Pepper]

No live action show can ever be as great as Toonami's once in a life time classic, Wulin Warriors...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtobnS7WhRY

Would you believe it lasted only 2 episodes?
Are you joking?

[Yusuke Urameshi]

Wulin warriors was the best show ever made..

..on a budget of 150$

[Aces 21]

Cartoon Network's 2009 Upfront announcements were pretty good to me.

Animated:

I'm excited about the new shows and episodes coming down pike. Titan and Rex look all kinds of awesome, and I like many of you guys, can't wait.

With my experience of seeing Adventure Time, it was a completely whacked-out, mind-blowing experience, to say the least. In saying that, I think I'm going to like that.

Scooby-Doo-MI and Ben 10: Evolutions sound okay. I dig the Ben 10 franchise, but with Scooby, I got to give it a shrug of the shoulders. I'm not too sold on the Scooby franchise personally, but if it's good, I'll give it a watch.

Total Drama Action and Stoked: I'll watch. I like the Fresh tv crew, and the stuff they put out.

Live-Action:

To me, Cartoon Network is looking more like Discovery Kids. It's like they're cherry-picking ideas from other shows with their line-up.

The Othersiders: Ghost Hunters for Kids. I'll give that one a shot since I like things of paranormal flair.

Survive This and Destroy Build Destroy: Sounds like they ported over Adventure Camp and JunkYard Wars to me.

Head Rush: It's a game show. Insta-watch.

Dude, What Would Happen and Bobb'e Says: Respectively, they both sound like a teen/kids version of MythBusters and The Soup.
Here's hoping for explosions and nut shots!:D

History and Prepped: The plots sound pretty interesting and entertaining.

All in all, 2009-2010 look pretty good. Although most of us, if not all of us would like Cartoon Network to not stray away from its roots with the live-action stuff, I say we give it a shot. We may diss on some of these shows and versions of programming now, but in a while, we may just have new favorites, even if the viewers are out of the demographic (by network standards).

[Light Lucario]

I'm pretty happy with this upfront. The new shows that I'm really looking foreword to are Generator Rex, Sym-Bionic Titan and Ben 10 Evolutions. Since I have enjoyed Alien Force so much, I could see myself liking Generator Rex and Sym-Bionic Titan looks really awesome.

I was surprised to see that they're making a new Ben 10 series though. I figured that Alien Force would have four seasons like Ben 10 did. At least it won't happened until after Alien Force is done with its third series. I hope that the cast can stay on in the new series. Considering its only a year or so time skip, not five years like with the jump from Ben 10 to Alien Force, I don't think that it would be necessary to do so.

I'm also happy to see my favorite shows on the channel returning as well. I'm interested in that Firebreather movie since the idea sounds pretty cool.

[FlapjackFan125]

Woah... wait a sec, check out this pic:

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3772/executives.gif

Is that a new logo I see in the background? :eek:

[J!!!]

Flapjack fan that pic is stretching the page

[FlapjackFan125]

Flapjack fan that pic is stretching the page

Sorry, I tried to fix it, but it always went back to the original size.

[chdr]

^ What in the world?

At least they're keeping the checkerboard theme.

[The Huntsman]

Sorry, I tried to fix it, but it always went back to the original size.I re-sized the image for you. Next time, if you can’t re-size the image yourself, just post a link to the image and let people who want to see it click on that link.

[FlapjackFan125]

I re-sized the image for you. Next time, if you can’t re-size the image yourself, just post a link to the image and let people who want to see it click on that link.

Thanks! I'll remember that later.

[J!!!]

Sorry, I tried to fix it, but it always went back to the original size.
Don't worry it still was a cool find I hope they use it soon.

[Mickialla]

Well, CN will announce The Cartoonstitute at a later date, since it's still in production.

Woah... wait a sec, check out this pic:

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3772/executives.gif

Is that a new logo I see in the background? :eek:


....nooo.....

Oh man I hope there's some reason to explain this picture and this logo WON'T happen.

[chdr]

....nooo.....

Oh man I hope there's some reason to explain this picture and this logo WON'T happen.
I don't think it's that bad, honestly. I think the C kinda blends with the N, but otherwise it seems like the current logo, without the boxes.

I'm just curious as to why they're changing the logo.

[J!!!]

I I'm just curious as to why they're changing the logo.
Well they are going into a new direction so I would guess they are trying to show there changing.
Here's my review on the thing I would post it here but it's too long http://jandhisthoughts.blogspot.com/2009/03/cn-upfront-review-js-tale-takes-turn.html

[Comics_the_QB]

When I first saw the new logo, I thought it was ONLY for the basketball shorts/show that CN announced. I could be wrong.

Anyway, it's a shame if it's permanent, because I like the Nood theme logo, and hope it doesn't mean Noods are going anywhere.

[Jeff Harris]

Here's my review on the thing I would post it here but it's too long You have to take the pictures down because you swiped them from Toon Zone without permission or credit. You can't say you didn't because they were customized exclusively for Toon Zone.

[PanPizza15]

Some of these live action shows look good. I haven't seen kids game shows in forever since Nick. The show Prepped sounds interesting with a writer from Lost and Batman Beyond.

[John Dorian]

Also, CN's starting s Saturday Afternoon Sports block with Turner Sports.


Giving the heads up here.

[Silverstar]

Some of these live action shows look good. I haven't seen kids game shows in forever since Nick. The show Prepped sounds interesting with a writer from Lost and Batman Beyond.

:eek: Boy, did you open the floodgates.

[J!!!]

You have to take the pictures down because you swiped them from Toon Zone without permission or credit. You can't say you didn't because they were customized exclusively for Toon Zone.
Alright then I'm going to remove sorry Toonzone staff for taking those pics:sad:

[warnerbroman]

Alright then I'm going to remove sorry Toonzone staff for taking those pics:sad:aww man I missed it ... wait but is this not a Toon zone FOrum?

[DELETED]

:eek: Boy, did you open the floodgates.

How?

If everyone else here can have the opinion that the live action shows will be trash (without having seen one iota of them), why can't he have the opposite opinion?

[Popwinkle]

I'm mostly excited to hear about Sym-Bionic Titan, not so much the LA shows. I'm wondering if Sym-Bionic Titan was the show Genndy pitched for the Cartoonstitute?? If it was, it's great to see Cartoon Network push the shorts into series so fast!

[Dub]

I'm kind of curious at the fact that WB is basically rebooting Scooby Doo from the ground up. It's the show that will never die, but I guess after all those seasons and variations, it kind of needs it.

I'll be curious to see if they take this version in a slightly more semi-serious adventure/comedy/mystery tone (pre-What's New - my personal preference) or play it totally for nostalgic yet flat laughs (post What's New - which I'd rather not see rehashed to be perfectly honest)...

[King]

I'm so looking forward to Sym-Bionic Titan (same guy that made Samurai Jack & Dexter's Laboratory :D :D :D ) and Generator Rex. Just by looking at those pictures and the ppl that made them, I'm hyped! :anime:

[Jack_6428]

Im looking forward to Sym-Bionic Team (which should be cool..kind of a Samurai Jack/PPG mix?) and the new Scooby Doo show...and Cartoonstitute the most ofc..

But Generator Rex seems to me as a Ben10 rip-off...and the live action and sports idea..i really dont like it..but i can see CN is changing...

but i have to admit that apart from the obvious SW and Batman and etc., I expected something alot more...great..something for old CN dudes..like bringing back some old shows to the network, just one or two..maybe those Looney Toons...makin some action H-B show reboot..and some word on the Eds movie...

EDIT:

THERE WILL BE MORE NARUTO !!!
http://news.toonzone.net/articles/29148/viz-confirms-plans-for-new-naruto-dubs

[Ultra8]

Well I'm deffinetly looking forward to::D :anime: :)
Adventure Time with Finn and Jake
Freaky art but the good kind, looks like something I saw in an Indie comic somewhere.
Sym-Bionic Titan
Great to have Genndy back and with Giant Robots in tow :D
Generator Rex
Looks good, styles different more like a comic than a cartoon, but you can't say no to a cyborg chimp with a bowler hat and cigar.
Firebreather
Should be interesting though I should give the comic a try.

Take or Leave::sweat:
Scooby-Doo – Mystery, Inc.
Back to what they do best, though this sounds more like a series version take on the Zombie Island movie. Not that that's a bad thing I liked the ZI and the Witch's Ghost movies.
Total Drama Action
Not a big fan but TDI was interesting.
Tiger’s Apprentice
Interesting premise, may let it slide if it's any good since it's only a movie
Prepped
The Prisoner JR. done by Paul Dini, good premise may overlook the whole live action thing if it's good.

Indifferent::shrug: :shrug: :yawn: :yawn:
Ben 10: Evolutions
I like the megastar hero/mistrusted by adults angle, but another new Omnitrix?:confused: That's what caused the retcon that is AF. Strictly wait and see.
Stoked
Meh
Dude, What Would Happen
Bobb’e Says
(see above)
Unnatural History
Sounds like a movie I saw once

Just No::mad: :ack:
The rest of the Live Action stuff there essentially kid ver.s of Survivor, Ghost Hunters, ect.

[Racattack!Force]

That CN logo reminds me of SYFY's....which is bad.:sweat:

[Jack_6428]

another logo change ? give me a break...after 5 years i get finally used to the current one (and like it) and they want to change it again ? they had the original logo for like 12 years, this one lasted just 5 years...whens the next one gonna come ? next christmas ? jeez...

[Silverstar]

Originally Posted by Silverstar http://forums.toonzone.net/images/buttons/buttons_TZ6/viewpost.gif (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?p=3198583#post3198583)
:eek: Boy, did you open the floodgates.
How?

If everyone else here can have the opinion that the live action shows will be trash (without having seen one iota of them), why can't he have the opposite opinion?You're missing the point.

I never said he couldn't have the opinion that the upcoming live-action shows are good. Not once. But we're talking about LIVE-ACTION shows airing on CARTOON Network. By now it's common knowledge how most people here feel about this.

The anger directed toward these LA projects isn't largely due to people thinking that they're automatically bad, but that they don't belong on Cartoon Network for the simple and obvious fact that they aren't cartoons.

People have been complaining about live-action projects airing on CN since they first started running them. I'm certainly not in the wrong for making note of that fact.


That said:

More Chowder is good news for me, and I am kind of curious about Adventure Time (though I'm not crazy about the fact that both of the main protagonists are male) and Cartoonstitute, but the rest of the new projects are 'meh' to me. I stopped caring about Scooby-Doo years ago, so a new Scooby series doesn't hold my interest, and how many times is CN going to revamp Ben 10? So now Ben Tennyson has to be remade mas a 16-year-old? Wasn't Alien Force enough of a departure? Though I do like the idea of him finally being publically outed as a superhero; secret identities and double lives bore and annoy me to tears.

As for the live-action stuff: Pass. No, not because they're live-action, but because they don't sound like anything I'd personally go out of my way to watch. Boy-centric action shows are being done to death on cable right now, and reality and game shows just aren't my thing. OOJH was crell, but it at least had some potentially interesting elements (a hot space alien girl, a MILF astronaut, a mad scientist and the Appleday Gang, plus it was a comedy. Not everybody wants endless blocks of boys' action shows).

[Matt Hazuda]

More Chowder is good news for me, and I am kind of curious about Adventure Time (though I'm not crazy about the fact that both of the main protagonists are male)What, we're not allowed to have a show without some chick broading it up? :p

[D Dubbs]

THERE WILL BE MORE NARUTO !!!
http://news.toonzone.net/articles/29148/viz-confirms-plans-for-new-naruto-dubs

Notice how Cartoon Network isn't mentioned anywhere in that article.

[macattack]

My word, can all you people do is complain? New logo? "It's terrible!!" New shows "Half of 'em might be LA, burn in hell CN!!" Continuations of favored franchises "Stop retconning every thing!!"

Seriously, it has grown beyond allowance. It's a children's marketing channel now, that is undeniable nor is it changeable until you personally are calling the shots.

We are allowed to criticize as well as praise CN's programming and executive decisions. That's what "free speech" is. The reaction to some of CN's controversial decisions has been rather naunced and measured in general. Yeah, there's been some complaining about Naruto and anime, and yes, there's been general negativity about the live-action. But what do you expect? This is Toon Zone which has an entire dedicated board to anime. And several of the new cartoons have gotten generally positive reactions.

[Racattack!Force]

EDIT:

THERE WILL BE MORE NARUTO !!!
http://news.toonzone.net/articles/29148/viz-confirms-plans-for-new-naruto-dubs
That doesn't mention Cartoon Network...at all.

[GWOtaku]

So I read Harley's report. I will definitely be watching Mr. Tartakovsky's new show. That has a very high potential to be extremely cool. Not so sure about Generator Rex, but I'll probably take a peek at it. Firebreather seems like a film to watch for.

The "alternative live action" stuff looks bad. I only see two of them as really being in that supposed "cartoon" spirit: The Unnatural History pilot and possibly Destroy Build Destroy. The rest...argh. Kids searching for ghosts, woooooaaaahhh! And a show dedicated to...viral videos. Argh, why?!

Just remember: the good news notwithstanding, the resources going to this generic stuff could be giving us more cartoons. So it's one thing to accept CN's new direction and it's another thing to LIKE it or overlook it, which nobody is obliged to do.

But yeah, what new animation there is seems fairly good.

[D.Shaffer]

Genndy. Tartakovsky. What ISN'T there to be excited about already with Titan?
Well you never know. There's always the first time. :) It COULD suck.
But looking at the pictures we now have? Holy crap! It's like an ode to old school super robot anime. :) The only thing missing are chest missiles on the female robot. :)

[Jeff Harris]

aww man I missed it ... wait but is this not a Toon zone Forum? Read this:
http://news.toonzone.net/articles/29112/animation-news-from-the-2009-cartoon-network-upfront-updated-1257-pm-with-images (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=226820)

People should really read Toon Zone News (http://news.toonzone.net). We're more than just a forum, you know.

And even though this is the Toon Zone Forum, that doesn't give people the right to use images from the site without permission or credit, which is what J!!! did, and that's why he had to take them down. It's a respect thing, and giving credit where credit is due is the right thing to do.

[Harley]

Read this:
http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=226820

People should really read Toon Zone News (http://news.toonzone.net). We're more than just a forum, you know.

And even though this is the Toon Zone Forum, that doesn't give people the right to use images from the site without permission or credit, which is what J!!! did, and that's why he had to take them down. It's a respect thing, and giving credit where credit is due is the right thing to do.

Thank you. I spent a couple of hours between sizing, throwing the copyrights on, thumbnailing and uploading. It's quite frustrating when you do all of that and then someone undercuts all of your hard work by ripping it and posting it elsewhere... and then adds insult to injury by giving no credit for it.

[warnerbroman]

Read this:
http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?t=226820
. I can't

[Harley]

I think Jeff meant to post this link:
http://news.toonzone.net/articles/29112/animation-news-from-the-2009-cartoon-network-upfront-updated-1257-pm-with-images

[Mugen]

Also, CN's starting s Saturday Afternoon Sports block with Turner Sports.


Giving the heads up here.

Yeah, its going to be called CN AMPT.


I also found this quote interesting:

Momentum and a changing voice (think adolescent boy) were among the major themes underscored at Cartoon Network's upfront presentation of its 2009-2010 season in NYC yesterday. The network's plans include entering into the reality TV genre, creating a new sports-centric programming block, and introducing 19 new programs/pilots/movies, many of which are live-action, as well as 164 episodes of returning series. In doing so, Cartoon Network stepped out on its evolutionary path to become what it described as a "dominant youth culture brand," that not only understands boys, including boys 6-11, but girls and older kids too, while creating "un-sanitized" "TV for kids, not kids TV". NBA commissioner David Stern, who discussed Cartoon Network's new partnership with the NBA announced earlier in the week, revealed that Boston Celtic Eddie House and his 7-year-old son Jaelen will be the stars of the first project together, the short-form series My Dad's a Pro. So pleased with the NBA's new relationship with the network, Stern quipped to those assembled, "If I were a buyer, I would buy."

Source: http://www.cynopsis.com/content/view/4268/53/


Basically, they want to become the dominant youth culture brand and they want to make programs that don't dumb it down to kids. I do like that they're going to try to target girls and older kids(while still focusing on boys).

[mkalv]

*sigh*

Still no word about Naruto on CN.

[Yusuke Urameshi]

*sigh*

Still no word about Naruto on CN.


nope, not until 2015.

[chdr]

Yeah, its going to be called CN AMPT.

Where'd you find that out?

Basically, they want to become the dominant youth culture brand and they want to make programs that don't dumb it down to kids. I do like that they're going to try to target girls and older kids(while still focusing on boys)

While I don't really like CN's new direction, I have to say that their new goal is pretty admirable.

[Racattack!Force]

So they are keeping the channel an animation majority, throwing in some live-action, and trying hard to become the IT place for youths AND teens? I actually kinda like it if you ignore the live-action part.

[J!!!]

And even though this is the Toon Zone Forum, that doesn't give people the right to use images from the site without permission or credit, which is what J!!! did, and that's why he had to take them down. It's a respect thing, and giving credit where credit is due is the right thing to do.
I said I was sorry:sad: And I deleted the whole post too.
Edit : Hey I found that same Adventure Time Pic on the blog today so can I use it?

[warnerbroman]

nope, not until 2015. what?!

[mkalv]

what?!

He was just joking.

[{Shadow}]

Yeah, its going to be called CN AMPT.
Where'd you find that out?

It's in the Cynopsis link he posted.

[John Dorian]

So they are keeping the channel an animation majority, throwing in some live-action, and trying hard to become the IT place for youths AND teens? I actually kinda like it if you ignore the live-action part.

Yep. 90% animation isn't bad at all. But acting like as if OOJH didn't fail at all...eh.


And on Scooby Doo - Mystery Inc., although it's the third Scooby series Warner Bros. Animation has made (What's New and Get A Clue), it's good to see WBA work on something that's not the cool Batman or having DC Comics related. Although, an employee said there will be some more WBA series on the way (he thinks).

[PalmelaFC]

Here's the website of the CN upfront:

http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/upfrontnews/

[Yusuke Urameshi]

Here's the website of the CN upfront:

http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/upfrontnews/


I like how they just plain out say "You think you know CN? THINK AGAIN"

I couldnt help but laugh when seeing that.

[DeanBurrito25]

Woah... wait a sec, check out this pic:

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/3772/executives.gif

Is that a new logo I see in the background? :eek:
:ack:
I sure hope Cartoon Network doesn't use that logo anytime soon.
The original checkerboard logo is boss, the 2nd one was a shocker but tolerable, but that one up there is just horrendous.

[Mickialla]

Also, CN's starting s Saturday Afternoon Sports block with Turner Sports.


Giving the heads up here.

6 Live Action shows, possible new logo, AND a sports block?

......deep breaths....I'll get through it (maybe).

I'm mostly excited to hear about Sym-Bionic Titan, not so much the LA shows. I'm wondering if Sym-Bionic Titan was the show Genndy pitched for the Cartoonstitute?? If it was, it's great to see Cartoon Network push the shorts into series so fast!

Sym-Bionic Titan definitely looks like an action show. I'm pretty sure Genndy's Cartoonstitute short is a comedy short. Anyways, I'm wondering if Genndy is going to be working on the show himself of if he'll be supervising it from a distance. I mean, he is still running the Orphanage and has to do the Samurai Jack movie. Unless he's returned to Cartoon Network indefinitely (oh God yes), I'm wondering how Genndy's going to be able to work full time on S-B Titan. The man's got a lot of work to do.

[Yusuke Urameshi]

Cartoonnetwork? NBA?


Now all they need is to have slam dunk on cn.

[chdr]

6 Live Action shows, possible new logo, AND a sports block?

......deep breaths....I'll get through it (maybe).
At least the cartoons look good.

[J!!!]

Anyone ever thouhgt. about the fact that the sports block could be good for ratings because kids love Basketball besides what matters more the bumps or the shows.
I rewrote my entry without the Toonzone Pics here it is
http://jandhisthoughts.blogspot.com/2009/03/cn-upfront-review-j-returns-to-tell-old.html

[the KING]

Anyone ever thouhgt. about the fact that the sports block could be good for ratings because kids love Basketball besides what matters more the bumps or the shows.
I rewrote my entry without the Toonzone Pics here it is
http://jandhisthoughts.blogspot.com/2009/03/cn-upfront-review-j-returns-to-tell-old.html

I think now that Cartoon Network is going for a new direction is great a thing . It about time Cartoon network is going to make a sport block, I't shouldn't be something new since Cartoon Network had the get animated program for sometime now, I think the kid's will enjoy it.But i'm starting to feel Cartoon Network is turning into Classic nickelodeon era ,That a good thing right ?


i think it's a good thing,heck maybe good enough to make it second places again.

[veemonjosh]

...That sports block makes me glad Toonami ended when it did.

It didn't have to put up with this insult.

[Kuromi_Star]

I'm still not happy about the anime thing but...

Ben 10 Evolutions looks great. I love how every time my birthday is within a couple of months Ben gets a time skip to match:p

A new Genndy project is great and I'm kind of happy about their new goal. I guess I'm just kind of happy they are at least acknowledging girls.
No one is surprised about TDA but I'm still happy it's coming and a smoking monkey? I'm there

[CottonSwab]

Well it certainly looks like there is a lot on CN's plate and we get to feed off of it like the cartoon critters we are! First off I would like to say that the Sym-Bionic Titan looks like it's going to be an awesome project, this is the kind of story that I feel I can really get behind and by the pics provided to us by Toonzone, it looks like this is going to be a "can't miss" show! As it pertains to the Scooby Do series that was announced, I can't say I am too excited about this one, but it seems as if a good chunk of people here are, so in that respect I have to say that I hope it succeeds and lives up to everyones expectations. Word on the next "evolution" of Ben 10 is very exciting news to me, I am a huge Ben 10 fan and have enjoyed both his first series as well as Alien Force, so the new "Evolutions" series has me sitting up and begging like the animation hound that I am. Other than that I can't say that I am stoked about "Stoked" and "Adventure Time" is definatly not up my alley, but overall I am very excited for 2009 and beyond.

[Mickialla]

At least the cartoons look good.

True, but I'm wondering if Sym-Bionic Titan, Generator Rex, Adventure Time and Cartoonstitute will be able to balance out The Othersiders, Survive This, Destroy Build Destroy, Head Rush, Dude What Would Happen AND Bobb-E says. Hopefully all of the live action junk will be scrunched up into one corner of the week and we won't have to see it the whole week. And we also still have Chowder, Flapjack, Clone Wars, and TSS, which are all good, and Alien Force and Brave and the Bold, which are also decent. It's strange to imagine how so much good can be with so much bad on the same network.

[John Dorian]

It's strange to imagine how so much good can be with so much bad on the same network.


I told you....you were warned.:sweat:

[warnerbroman]

I'm still not happy about the anime thing but...

Ben 10 Evolutions looks great. I love how every time my birthday is within a couple of months Ben gets a time skip to match:p there were pics?

also is season 3 evolution?

[J!!!]

there were pics?

also is season 3 evolution?
I didn't see any and season 3 is normal the season AFTER that is generations;)

[Marvin Tikvah]

I don't know about you guys but the plan of making CN a top youth brand (something we've been saying for years before they finally admitted it) seems downright insulting to their original goal. It also seems with all these programming choices, they want to steal whatever thunder Disney XD had going for it when it initially debuted.

Whatever. As long as SB Titan is good and they continue Chowder, Flapjack, and BaTB I will simply ignore their attempt at being a Nick/Disney clone.

[CottonSwab]

I don't know about you guys but the plan of making CN a top youth brand (something we've been saying for years before they finally admitted it) seems downright insulting to their original goal. It also seems with all these programming choices, they want to steal whatever thunder Disney XD had going for it when it initially debuted.

Whatever. As long as SB Titan is good and they continue Chowder, Flapjack, and BaTB I will simply ignore their attempt at being a Nick/Disney clone.

Well, thats the only thing we really can do. I watch CN for what I enjoy watching and I ignore the shows that I don't like watching, I don't sit there and complain constantly about shows that I have no control over, thats not going to do me any good or make CN better. I don't like live action shows, so when they start popping up I am going to ignore them and pretend they are not even there, but the only thing I am afraid of is the shows I don't like moving into timeslots that I frequently watch, which of course would be a huge thorn in my side. In that case it looks as if I will be watching more and more Nicktoons if this happens.

[Silverstar]

I don't know about you guys but the plan of making CN a top youth brand (something we've been saying for years before they finally admitted it) seems downright insulting to their original goal. It also seems with all these programming choices, they want to steal whatever thunder Disney XD had going for it when it initially debuted.

More accurately, this is CN's latest attempt to catch up with Nick and Disney Channel. This movement was put into action long before Disney XD was launched, and honestly, DXD is no competition for Cartoon Network; it's not in enough homes nor has it been in existence long enough to pose a threat to CN in any way.

What CN should do is create a separate channel for this nonsense; a general kids' entertainment channel (or at the very least run these live-action shows on TNT or TBS; wouldn't be that much of a stretch, since they're already airing Clone Wars on TNT) rather than try to mutate CN into being this Nick clone they want so badly, but it's become patently obvious that CN/WB isn't in any hurry to create any new channels anytime soon. (So sorry, folks, there's not going to be a Toonami channel.)

Whatever. As long as SB Titan is good and they continue Chowder, Flapjack, and BaTB I will simply ignore their attempt at being a Nick/Disney clone.

Well, thats the only thing we really can do. I watch CN for what I enjoy watching and I ignore the shows that I don't like watching, I don't sit there and complain constantly about shows that I have no control over, thats not going to do me any good or make CN better. I don't like live action shows, so when they start popping up I am going to ignore them and pretend they are not even there, but the only thing I am afraid of is the shows I don't like moving into timeslots that I frequently watch, which of course would be a huge thorn in my side. In that case it looks as if I will be watching more and more Nicktoons if this happens.


:^: These are among the most sensible posts I've read regarding this issue. :^:

The big brass at CN is hell-bent on changing their former animation channel into a general kids' entertainment channel; if the dismal failure of OOJH wasn't enough to dissuade CN from doing this, then nothing else will. If this idea is destined to fail, the CN Suits clearly have to see it fail. It's sad, but there's nothing we can do about it; complaining won't do any good.

I don't watch everything on Cartoon Network anyway, so I plan to treat these shows like I treat every other; I'll watch the ones which interest and entertain me and ignore the ones which don't. That's the only sensible thing we can do.

[Mugen]

What CN should do is create a separate channel for this nonsense; a general kids' entertainment channel (or at the very least run these live-action shows on TNT or TBS; wouldn't be that much of a stretch, since they're already airing Clone Wars on TNT)

Well, it was airing on TNT, but its gone now.

[Mad Monkey 7]

I am sad that there no Transformers Animated Season 4. :( You would think that Cartoon Network would continue it after this summer sequel to the live-action.

[the KING]

Hey look everybody it’s Cartoolodeon!


Let’s think about it, CN showing live action and TV Land showing reality shows. I guess CN ran out of quality cartoons and TV Land ran out of old TV shows. So now lots of grown up are saying now they may never watch this kid’s TV station again? I bet that’s got the execs quaking.
Like many people have posted before, it’s just a commercial network going where they think their target audiences is at the moment, so why the shock and horror? Why not simply go and watch all the exciting new things going on outside of this little niche ghetto which wasn’t built for you instead?
And if that’s too out of your comfort zine, well at least Tartakovsky is still making you a new giant robot show.



All together now..
Why is animation always seen as a children’s medium?
Why is animation always seen as a children’s medium?
Why is animation always seen as a children’s medium?

[RPG KING]

it seems like its becoming Nickolodian. i love the new action shows and the cartooninstitute thing but how are they going to scedule all this:confused:

[the KING]

Hey look everybody it’s Cartoolodeon!

I geuss we do get that classic nick we wanted.

[macattack]

I am sad that there no Transformers Animated Season 4. :( You would think that Cartoon Network would continue it after this summer sequel to the live-action.

Transformers Animated is one of the last holdovers from the previous CN regime. The current CN regime is hellbent on getting rid of the holdovers ASAP. Thus, no Season 4, no matter how awesome or highly rated it is. The fact they put it in the SatAM death slot is pretty telling that they don't want Season 3 to get ratings.

The only holdover that looks to be sticking around for the next year will be Pokemon. For better or worse, CN is completely breaking with their past. By the end of this year and most definitely by the end of 2010 this will be a completely different CN from the one we saw at the end of 2008.

[Jack_6428]

Transformers Animated is one of the last holdovers from the previous CN regime. The current CN regime is hellbent on getting rid of the holdovers ASAP. Thus, no Season 4, no matter how awesome or highly rated it is. The fact they put it in the SatAM death slot is pretty telling that they don't want Season 3 to get ratings.

The only holdover that looks to be sticking around for the next year will be Pokemon. For better or worse, CN is completely breaking with their past. By the end of this year and most definitely by the end of 2010 this will be a completely different CN from the one we saw at the end of 2008.

well yeah, but they still air some old shows...so thats good

[Racattack!Force]

Transformers Animated is one of the last holdovers from the previous CN regime. The current CN regime is hellbent on getting rid of the holdovers ASAP. Thus, no Season 4, no matter how awesome or highly rated it is. The fact they put it in the SatAM death slot is pretty telling that they don't want Season 3 to get ratings.I still say that the show COULD get another season.

[Ditto]

Generation Rex looks awesome. Like the smart have said, I will ignore the live action trash. I don't really care about the tiny transparent picture in the bottom corner of the screen. Sym-Bionic Titans looks pretty uninteresting. A new scooby doo series is awesome and new forms for ben is awesome. I don't watch cartoon network/ Disney/ Nick for comedy that I could right myself so I don't really care about any of the comedy shows.

[warnerbroman]

Transformers Animated is one of the last holdovers from the previous CN regime. The current CN regime is hellbent on getting rid of the holdovers ASAP. Thus, no Season 4, no matter how awesome or highly rated it is. The fact they put it in the SatAM death slot is pretty telling that they don't want Season 3 to get ratings.

The only holdover that looks to be sticking around for the next year will be Pokemon. For better or worse, CN is completely breaking with their past. By the end of this year and most definitely by the end of 2010 this will be a completely different CN from the one we saw at the end of 2008. but toonami was around before that....

[desi]

Oh, c'mon! It's cool and all that Genndy has finally returned but a giant robot show? Either he is a genius or he has finally lost it. I have to admit though, this is the first time in a long while where a CN has a show that seems to appeals to an older audience, CN's more faithful audience I might add. There is nothing about this show that would appeal to Total Drama Island crowd. I mean "Sym bionic titans"?

[Racattack!Force]

There is nothing about this show that would appeal to Total Drama Island crowd. I mean "Sym bionic titans"?There are plently of people at my school that like TDI, and when I told them about the giant robot show, they were pretty excited for it. :sweat:

[J!!!]

There are plently of people at my school that like TDI, and when I told them about the giant robot show, they were pretty excited for it. :sweat:
When I told the TDI fans at my school they asked me what was I talking about and laughed when I mentioned the robots:sweat:

[Nickle98499]

All i can say is: A New Scooby-Doo Series, YES YES YES!!! When I read the press release for the the new Scooby series the description reminded me of a cross between the 13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo, the old tv show Twin Peaks and a little bit of the old daytime soap opera Dark Shadows. All in all it sounds like a good show, I can't wait to watch it.

[macattack]

Naruto's not coming back to TV. The show page says "Now Playing on CN Video". So, in a way, CN has made a stealth announcement regarding the show.

[Racattack!Force]

Naruto's not coming back to TV. The show page says "Now Playing on CN Video". So, in a way, CN has made a stealth announcement regarding the show.So I guess if Cartoon Network is going to do anything with those last few episodes, it's put them online.

[mkalv]

So I guess if Cartoon Network is going to do anything with those last few episodes, it's put them online.

Yeah, probably.

[John Dorian]

In conjunction with the upfronts, I decided to post this (http://www.animationmagazine.net/article/9855).

[Mickialla]

In conjunction with the upfronts, I decided to post this (http://www.animationmagazine.net/article/9855).

The article says they're going to establish themes nights for each night. I don't like the sound of this.

[J!!!]

The article says they're going to establish themes nights for each night. I don't like the sound of this.

Could you explain why please?

[Racattack!Force]

Last year, the network focused on comedy on Thursdays, action on Fridays and films on Sunday night, launching breakout hits such as Total Drama Island and Star Wars: The Clone Wars and yielding top ratings, giving the network a strong 4th quarter in 2008 and the strongest 1st quarter results in four years for 2009. :eek: Wow, the network has been doing better than it ever has since 2005...

[Mickialla]

Could you explain why please?

Why I don't like it or why they're doing it?

I don't like it because the entire network is going to be isolated from itself. Each night is going to have a totally different approach with different shows. There's no uniformity in that. I love having blocks, but there's a limit to how many there should be. There has to be uniformity from night to night. Otherwise it'll be like having seven different networks, one for each day of the week. Currently the network has 4 blocks: A comedy block, two action blocks and a movie block. More blocks are unneeded.

The networks doing it because it's their blocks that have brought them success this past year. Thursday nights and Friday nights have brought the network out of a slump, and they think that to get even better ratings they need to expand this formula for the whole week, which is absurd. Maybe I misread the article, but that's what it's sounding like.

[chdr]

I actually like this method and I think it will pay off for them in the long run, mainly because Nick and DC usually don't have anything to air on Mondays through Thursdays (hence HHT's success: no competition). They're already strting up this strategy, each with one flagship show.

Mondays - seems like a light comedy night (L.O.S.E.)
Tuesdays - ????
Wednesdays - CN Real (The Othersiders)
Thursdays - Har Har Tharsdays (Total Drama Action)
Fridays - You Are Here (Clone Wars)
Saturdays - CN AMPT (My Dad's A Pro)
Sundays - The Flicks

Seems like a pretty solid plan to me.

[Racattack!Force]

And besides, I honestly doubt that EVERY NIGHT will be packaged as a block. And I don't think the article said anything about that. Sure, they'll build on the success of those nights, but that could mean anything.

[chdr]

And besides, I honestly doubt that EVERY NIGHT will be packaged as a block. And I don't think the article said anything about that. Sure, they'll build on the success of those nights, but that could mean anything.Considering they said "themed" nights, I'm assuming they'll all be packaged as their own brands. (Not to mention, it would feel weird if two nights weren't blocked.)

[Green Thunder]

I agree too.

CN is gonna have to do everything and anything if they at least want to get to second place. That is if the outsiders don't get low ratings.

[macattack]

Wow, Green Thunder was banned pretty quickly.

I actually like this method and I think it will pay off for them in the long run, mainly because Nick and DC usually don't have anything to air on Mondays through Thursdays (hence HHT's success: no competition). They're already strting up this strategy, each with one flagship show.

Mondays - seems like a light comedy night (L.O.S.E.)
Tuesdays - ????
Wednesdays - CN Real (The Othersiders)
Thursdays - Har Har Tharsdays (Total Drama Action)
Fridays - You Are Here (Clone Wars)
Saturdays - CN AMPT (My Dad's A Pro)
Sundays - The Flicks

Seems like a pretty solid plan to me.

The way I see it, CN's special nights and blocks are what's keeping the network relevant when the rest of the network is actually rather lagging. Apparently CN thinks that if every night is a special night that'll give them a big boost but I'm not so sure that'll work, the specialness of blocks and events get diluted if you use them too often.

. . .

Wonder what Tuesday is going to be since it hasn't started to develop an identity yet. Is it too much to ask for anime? There isn't much else to put there, as Mondays and Thursdays are already going to be comedy nights, Friday's action night, Wednesdays/Saturdays are live-action, and Sundays are movie nights.

[chdr]

The way I see it, CN's special nights and blocks are what's keeping the network relevant when the rest of the network is actually rather lagging. Apparently CN thinks that if every night is a special night that'll give them a big boost but I'm not so sure that'll work, the specialness of blocks and events get diluted if you use them too often. I doubt the kids really care about whether the shows are blocked or not. The main point is is that CN is offering premieres when Nick and DC aren't, and that will probably work to their advantage.


Wonder what Tuesday is going to be since it hasn't started to develop an identity yet. Is it too much to ask for anime? There isn't much else to put there, as Mondays and Thursdays are already going to be comedy nights, Friday's action night, Wednesdays/Saturdays are live-action, and Sundays are movie nights.I wouldn't be surprised if they used Tuesday for light action, and moved Pokemon and Bakugan premieres there.

[Mickialla]

The way I see it, CN's special nights and blocks are what's keeping the network relevant when the rest of the network is actually rather lagging. Apparently CN thinks that if every night is a special night that'll give them a big boost but I'm not so sure that'll work, the specialness of blocks and events get diluted if you use them too often.


That's exactly why I'm against it. Not every block can be good. Action, comedy, movie. These are all common block themes. If Cartoon Network creates blocks for the whole week, they're going to lose their spark, which is becoming clear since now they're resorting to stupidly themed blocks such as a sport block. Plus when the whole network is blocks there's no unification connecting the network together. There are plenty of other ways to become a good network than to stuff the whole place with blocks.

[chdr]

That's exactly why I'm against it. Not every block can be good. Action, comedy, movie. These are all common block themes. If Cartoon Network creates blocks for the whole week, they're going to lose their spark, which is becoming clear since now they're resorting to stupidly themed blocks such as a sport block. Plus when the whole network is blocks there's no unification connecting the network together. There are plenty of other ways to become a good network than to stuff the whole place with blocks.As I've said, the point isn't that they're blocked. The point is that Nick and DC have no premieres to air at that time.

[Mickialla]

As I've said, the point isn't that they're blocked. The point is that Nick and DC have no premieres to air at that time.

It might get them better ratings, unless Nick and DC smarten up and try similar tactics. And they'll only get the ratings on that day if their "themed" shows are interesting to kids, otherwise the whole initiative fails.

[warnerbroman]

[quote=chdr;3215983
Saturdays - CN AMPT (My Dad's A Pro)
.[/quote] "my dads a pro" what is CN thinking kids should not watch that stuff

ewww

[Mickialla]

"my dads a pro" what is CN thinking kids should not watch that stuff

ewww

My dads a pro is only a short series. Personally I think it's a semi-good idea. It's a good way to show the network's encouragement of kids staying active. My main problem is that cartoons could've TOTALLY been incorporated into the short series. Like, every different episode would have a different host or interviewer, like Chowder, Zak, Owen, etc. It totally could've been done. Why they didn't do something like that I'll never know.

[warnerbroman]

My dads a pro is only a short series. Personally I think it's a semi-good idea. It's a good way to show the network's encouragement of kids staying active. My main problem is that cartoons could've TOTALLY been incorporated into the short series. Like, every different episode would have a different host or interviewer, like Chowder, Zak, Owen, etc. It totally could've been done. Why they didn't do something like that I'll never know.
I can tell if you got the joke or not but you have a point

[Mickialla]

I can tell if you got the joke or not but you have a point

I didn't know there was a joke, but then I looked back at your post and now I get it. You have a very nasty mind. ;)

[CottonSwab]

I doubt the kids really care about whether the shows are blocked or not. The main point is is that CN is offering premieres when Nick and DC aren't, and that will probably work to their advantage.

I wouldn't be surprised if they used Tuesday for light action, and moved Pokemon and Bakugan premieres there.

I don't think they will move the Pokemon and Bakugan premiers to Tuesday, or at least I hope they don't, it would take away from theirSaturday mornings and unless it's handled perfectly I can't see poeple (especially kids) going out of their way to watch these shows on a Tuesday night. Aren't the Pokemon and Bakugan premiers doing well on satAM anyway? I would be okay with it if they put all of their anime on a block and made a big deal of it by adding some new aquisitions, but I'm not holding my breath for this.

[chdr]

I don't think they will move the Pokemon and Bakugan premiers to Tuesday, or at least I hope they don't, it would take away from theirSaturday mornings and unless it's handled perfectly I can't see poeple (especially kids) going out of their way to watch these shows on a Tuesday night. Aren't the Pokemon and Bakugan premiers doing well on satAM anyway? I would be okay with it if they put all of their anime on a block and made a big deal of it by adding some new aquisitions, but I'm not holding my breath for this.Honestly, the SatAM block doesn't need to exist. Those shows would get more viewers in primetime, and there's no stated rule that says that CN needs to have a SatAM block.

And if broadcast networks can successfully run premieres on weekday nights, I don't see why CN can't (not to mention the kids seem to be doing quite fine on Thursdays).

[CottonSwab]

Honestly, the SatAM block doesn't need to exist. Those shows would get more viewers in primetime, and there's no stated rule that says that CN needs to have a SatAM block.

And if broadcast networks can successfully run premieres on weekday nights, I don't see why CN can't (not to mention the kids seem to be doing quite fine on Thursdays).

I honestly cannot see Pokemon or Bakugan getting better ratings on a Tuesday night over being aired on Saturday mornings. I know there is no rule about a satAM block, but the block seems to do well and I can't see Tuesday as a night that CN is going to be strong on, if they aired on Friday nights or if they did something with Saturday nights then maybe, but like I said, I can't see people (especially kids) caring enough to watch it on Tuesday nights. I know possibly more people are at home on a Tuesday than a Friday or Saturday night, but still, it's just a gut instinct I have.

[Mickialla]

The one problem Cartoon Network might face (from a business standpoint at least) with this whole "different night different theme" approach is that kids have homework and stuff to worry about on weekdays. Some parents might not even let their kids watch TV until their homework is done. That doesn't seem to be affecting HHT, but it might with any or all of the Monday/Tuesday/Wednesday blocks.

[chdr]

I honestly cannot see Pokemon or Bakugan getting better ratings on a Tuesday night over being aired on Saturday mornings. I know there is no rule about a satAM block, but the block seems to do well and I can't see Tuesday as a night that CN is going to be strong on, if they aired on Friday nights or if they did something with Saturday nights then maybe, but like I said, I can't see people (especially kids) caring enough to watch it on Tuesday nights. I know possibly more people are at home on a Tuesday than a Friday or Saturday night, but still, it's just a gut instinct I have.I'm pretty sure people said the same things with CN announced comedy's move to Thursdays. You don't know how something will do if no one's ever tried it before.

[CottonSwab]

I'm pretty sure people said the same things with CN announced comedy's move to Thursdays. You don't know how something will do if no one's ever tried it before.

Very true, but Tuesday just seems like an uneventful night and a night where people are not generally watching television, I may be wrong on this but it just does not feel right. But I would put my personal feelings aside for this is the block was good and if they added more anime, then I would definatly watch, but a big part of me wants to keep Pokemon and Bakugan on satAM where Crushzone gets some kind of draw.

[CjFilmz]

ANOTHER Scooby-Doo cartoon?

Are they serious? Scooby-Doo is ok, (I liked Zombie Island and the live-action movie) but in comparison to stuff like Tom & Jerry, Flintstones, Yogi, Jetsons, etc. it's one of the dullest Hanna-Barbara properties out there. Why not revive The Flintstones or The Jetsons? There's a large library of iconic HB characters out there that could use a revival. Scooby-Doo gets a new series (and direct-to-DVD movie) every year, it seems.

[Mickialla]

Very true, but Tuesday just seems like an uneventful night and a night where people are not generally watching television, I may be wrong on this but it just does not feel right. But I would put my personal feelings aside for this is the block was good and if they added more anime, then I would definatly watch, but a big part of me wants to keep Pokemon and Bakugan on satAM where Crushzone gets some kind of draw.

American Idol, which is like the highest rated show on TV right now, airs new episodes on Tuesday nights. So Tuesday isn't an uneventful night for TV. But then again I'm not sure of how many kids watch American Idol.

[Mugen]

American Idol, which is like the highest rated show on TV right now, airs new episodes on Tuesday nights. So Tuesday isn't an uneventful night for TV. But then again I'm not sure of how many kids watch American Idol.

Judging from the 9-14 and 12-17, quite a few.

[CottonSwab]

American Idol, which is like the highest rated show on TV right now, airs new episodes on Tuesday nights. So Tuesday isn't an uneventful night for TV. But then again I'm not sure of how many kids watch American Idol.

Kid? Eh, probably not much, American Idol is targeted more towards teens and up, and mostly girls from what I have gathered. What else airs on Tuesdays other than that one show? It's a dull night, but if CN did an all anime night then I would watch regardless because I enjoy anime.

[macattack]

Kid? Eh, probably not much, American Idol is targeted more towards teens and up, and mostly girls from what I have gathered. What else airs on Tuesdays other than that one show? It's a dull night, but if CN did an all anime night then I would watch regardless because I enjoy anime.

Nothing really airs on Tuesdays because of the American Idol behemoth other than shows rival networks have zero faith in, except during the times AI isn't airing.

Which means, yes, it's a dull night. And for those who aren't interested in American Idol there isn't much out there. CN could fill the void by airing anime, certainly.

[Mickialla]

Kid? Eh, probably not much, American Idol is targeted more towards teens and up, and mostly girls from what I have gathered. What else airs on Tuesdays other than that one show? It's a dull night, but if CN did an all anime night then I would watch regardless because I enjoy anime.

Well it's not a matter of how many different shows air on Tuesday. The fact alone that American Idol is able to get the ratings it does on a Tuesday night shows that people are home to watch TV on Tuesday nights. But it would probably be difficult to compete with American Idol, not that Cartoon Network is looking to compete with Fox, but some of Cartoon Network's audience does watch American Idol.

[CottonSwab]

Well it's not a matter of how many different shows air on Tuesday. The fact alone that American Idol is able to get the ratings it does on a Tuesday night shows that people are home to watch TV on Tuesday nights. But it would probably be difficult to compete with American Idol, not that Cartoon Network is looking to compete with Fox, but some of Cartoon Network's audience does watch American Idol.

People will be home and willing to watch TV, but will kid's be watching Pokemon and Bakugan at anytime between 8pm-10pm on a Tuesday night? Some maybe, but not nearly as many as there would be on Saturday mornings. That's just my opinion on this matter, but until it happens I guess nobody will know for sure. But like I said, I would only be in favor of this if there was a whole block dedicated to anime and not just a random premier of Bakugan and Pokemon on such a random night.

[Mickialla]

People will be home and willing to watch TV, but will kid's be watching Pokemon and Bakugan at anytime between 8pm-10pm on a Tuesday night? Some maybe, but not nearly as many as there would be on Saturday mornings. That's just my opinion on this matter, but until it happens I guess nobody will know for sure. But like I said, I would only be in favor of this if there was a whole block dedicated to anime and not just a random premier of Bakugan and Pokemon on such a random night.

Even though I'm saying that Tuesday nights can be a night for a network to garner ratings, I'm actually agreeing with you. Pokemon and Bakugan, at least to me, aren't suited for night time premieres. I don't know, I guess the action they have just screams "Saturday morning". We don't even know if Tuesday will be light action or not. We'll just have to wait and see.