Star Wars: The Clone Wars - "Hostage Crisis" - Talkback [3/20]

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Premieres: March 20th at 9:00 PM Eastern
Repeats: March 21st at 10:00 AM Eastern; March 22nd at 9:00 PM Eastern; March 25th at 7:30 PM Eastern; March 27th at 7:30 PM Eastern

The twenty-second episode and the season finale of the Clone Wars TV series airs tonight at 9:00 PM Eastern. Here is the synopsis:


To free Ziro the Hutt, a bounty hunter named Cad Bane seizes control of the Senate Building -- completely unaware that Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker is still inside.

[macattack]

They've really been playing up Cad Bane as a really evil bastard . . . let's see if he's anywhere near as ruthless as the promos try to make him seem. Noticed that Aurra Sing may show up too . . . if they screw her up that'll have ramifications from all over SW EU canon, all the way to Tempest which takes place 40 years after ANH, rendering virtually every novel and comic book out of continuity.

[MetroSparkster]

They've really been playing up Cad Bane as a really evil bastard . . . let's see if he's anywhere near as ruthless as the promos try to make him seem.

IGN's got a couple of clips with him.

At first glance, he looked like someone off of the Oddworld game series...

[Ed Liu]

New Video Clip from "Star Wars: The Clone Wars" Season Finale "Hostage Crisis" (http://news.toonzone.net/articles/29021/new-video-clip-from-star-wars-the-clone-wars-season-finale-hostage-crisis)

We are also hosting the official trailer of the episode (http://news.toonzone.net/articles/28955/season-finale-of-star-wars-the-clone-wars-introduces-deadly-new-enemy-updated), in case you missed its addition to the press release article, which seems to have more Cad Bane and Aurra Sing bad-assery than this new video clip.

[veemonjosh]

IGN's got a couple of clips with him.

At first glance, he looked like someone off of the Oddworld game series...

Yeah, when I saw the commercial for the first time I was like "...Stranger's Wrath is suddenly relevant again? o_o".

[Mugen]

CN has the countdown timer out for this episode. The last time they did this was for the series premiere.

[Silverstar]

Originally Posted by MetroSparkster http://forums.toonzone.net/images/buttons/buttons_TZ6/viewpost.gif (http://forums.toonzone.net/showthread.php?p=3192336#post3192336)
IGN's got a couple of clips with him.

At first glance, he looked like someone off of the Oddworld game series...
Yeah, when I saw the commercial for the first time I was like "...Stranger's Wrath is suddenly relevant again? o_o".

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. When I first saw the original ad I thought, "WTH is the Stranger from Oddworld doing on Star Wars?"

I'm dying to see how they explain this guy's presence in the SW universe, not to mention how if Cad Bane is such a big badass, then why didn't he make it to Episode III?

[SuperDudeX]

You know, Cad Bane kinda reminds me of Stranger from Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath...

[warnerbroman]

30 deaths in 5min...damn

[Zekehawk]

Hope that senator wasn't important. :shrug:

[The Huntsman]

I stopped watching this series in the middle of the season; I never found it to be all that good, but I have to say that I really liked this episode. I’m glad that BS&P allowed Cad Bane and his associates to kill as many people as they did, but I’m afraid that his numerous appearances in the second season might make the character less interesting.

[HEATXZ]

Great episode
My favorite part is when Cad Bane shot that senator guy
I can't wait for more episodes this Fall:anime:

[MetroSparkster]

Yeah, when I saw the commercial for the first time I was like "...Stranger's Wrath is suddenly relevant again? o_o".


I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. When I first saw the original ad I thought, "WTH is the Stranger from Oddworld doing on Star Wars?"


You know, Cad Bane kinda reminds me of Stranger from Oddworld: Stranger's Wrath...

So everyone thought as much as I have, huh? Interesting...

Ziro the Hutt is such a whiny little... I actually hoped he'd died.

[SuperMegaHyper]

I wasn't sure if I should believe the hype CN made around Bane, but now... damn!

[Ioz]

I enjoyed the finale. Bane was pretty cool, but I could do without Zero the Hutt being brought back.

[Kenny E. McCall]

I'm hoping that the Hutts pay Cad Bane off to waste the whiny little bastard in Season Two.

[Rook]

Glorious, someone who actually knows how to win. Fantastic.

Bounty Hunters, the true threat. Up yours Palpatine!

[ImFromTheMoon]

After an overall underwhelming Ryloth trilogy, it's good to see the show come back to form. I purposely avoided all of the clips leading up to this episode, as I didn't want Cad's badassery to be spoiled like Mace Windu's was.

...man, it was awesome. Cool deaths, cool action. I actually thought Ziro was funny. Definitely one of my favorite episodes.

[Fifi Fanatic]

It's just not Star Wars until you bring in a badass bounty hunter. ;)

Cad Bane lived up to the hype. Something to look forward to for next season to be sure. He'll be the next Boba Fett. Even if he does die by the end of the series, EU writers will find a way to "unkill" him. :anime: It's also nice to see the bad guys actually win a round. Honestly, we need to see the droid army actually WIN some battles as this series goes on, but I digress.....

Ziro? Who knew that he was even still alive?

An almost perfect episode. I give it four-and-a-half Death Stars.

[ABrown]

I stopped watching this series in the middle of the season; I never found it to be all that good.

I did watch the entire first season. But I agree with you. This show didn't quite meet my expectations. I thought there was going to be a lot more continuity in this show. I did still enjoy this first season.

[FTPC]

Yes I notice the odd world bounty hunter as well, and the Reason why he did not make it in moive three is because perhaps he dies in the Clone wars series or perhaps he is just made for that series, such as Darth vaders student was just made for the Video game.. the Force unleashed
well it is just an theory to the question..

[bigddan11]

Ziro isn't very smart. Last time I checked, Jabba controlled all of his resources now, so how does he expect to pay Cad Bane? Also, while he was in prison Jabba wasn't going to go after him for trying to kill his infant son. Now that he's freed he'll be free game for Jabba's bounty hunters. Ziro has basically left the frying pan, but now he's headed straight into the fire.

Cad Bane clearly has more intellect than anyone on the Senate, and that includes Bail Organa. First he orchestrated the deaths of the Senate guard. Then he orchestrated the capture of an entire Senate wing. Third he captured Anakin, though that wouldn't have happened if he hadn't been stupid enough to give his lightsaber to Padme. Fourth he freed Ziro, and then he finally escaped.

While many will say he'll be used too much in season 2, I wouldn't count on it. All comments made in this episode make it appear Ziro hired him. Unless Palpatine hires him for the droid army side, then he'll remain neutral and only act when he's paid to do so. Most people can't afford bounty hounters, so I really don't expect to see too much of him.

[AntN]

was a descent season finale and the trailer for the next season had me thinking it would be returning in June. But hopefully the next season delivers well as this season and even better. Great season Clone Wars gets a 4.5/5

[Fastbak]

Most people can't afford bounty hounters, so I really don't expect to see too much of him.

Count Dooku is rich as hell! Plus Bane had two Commando droids with him so he was hired by the Separatists. Ziro works for the Dooku and the Separatists.

[Sabregroove]

I'm probably a bit older than many of you, so my first impression of Cad Bane was that he looked like an alien Lee Van Cleef from The Man with No Name Westerns, or even an unused character design from Bravestarr. Anyway, he is EXACTLY what this show needed! He isn't utterly inept like the Droid Army. He doesn't talk a lot of smack and then not do anything like Dooku. He seems wholly capable of getting his job done, unlike General Grievous. And he doesn't have to hide his intent like Palpatine.

Finally, a character with loads of potential who's future is entirely unknown, which gives him room to really throw down on this series. I personally hope the speculation is all wrong and this guy really is on his OWN side, and not another pawn of Palpatine/Dooku like every-damn-body else in this show. That would be a grotesque disappointment.

Most of the best action cartoons always integrated a "Third Party" that existed outside of the fray between the so-called good guys and bad guys. These characters were in it for themselves most of the time and proved to be just as much trouble for the VILLAINS as they did for the heroes. I really hope that's Cad Bane's deal. I sincerely want somebody to give the Separatists and the Jedi both a run for their money. Too bad I won't know until Fall.

[R-Taco]

Personally, I think Mr. Badass Bounty Hunter looks like a cross between Oddworld's Stranger (as others have mentioned) and the main character from Darkwatch. Cool voice he had, by the way.

Pretty good episode by this show's standards, though I've gotta knock it two points for Ziro the Hutt and for feeling more like a regular episode than a season finale.

[Wind-Dive]

So awesome. Hope Cad Bane didn't kill the senator. And lots of senators by the way. Cad Bane has a cool voice but what a weird bounty hunter he is.

[Rook]

Yes, he killed the senator. This is like a graduation show from the usual kids cartoons. People die and it is made apparent.

Cad Bane is supposed to be an inspiration of "The Dollars Trilogy". This is what the show needed really, cuz none of the other villians know to get anything done.

Key note, the episodes arent in any chronological order. Some of these episodes took place before the event of the actual movie.

[Fifi Fanatic]

I'm probably a bit older than many of you, so my first impression of Cad Bane was that he looked like an alien Lee Van Cleef from The Man with No Name Westerns, or even an unused character design from Bravestarr.

You might want to know that Dave Filoni and Uncle George have themselves described him in similar terms. They basically said that Boba Fett is the Clint Eastwood character and Cad Bane is Lee Van Cleef.

[J!!!]

I think this episode mde up for the mediocre season the violence and fun of it made it waesome.

[Dex1138]

Key note, the episodes arent in any chronological order. Some of these episodes took place before the event of the actual movie.
For the most part they are in order. There was 1 episode that took place before the movie. There was also one that was aired referencing something that happened in a previous episode...except the "previous" episode didn't air until a few weeks later.
For the most part, the story's not really dependant on them being in any kind of order and that's really annoying the SW continuity buffs let me tell you. Supposedly next season is purposely going to jump around the timeline. Why, I have no idea.

I'd been waiting for Bane for months and wasn't disappointed, he was awesome and just what the show needs...a competent ruthless villain.

I agree it didn't seem like much of a cliffhanger but they still have to get Ziro off planet and into hyperspace so there's a possibility season 2 will pickup right after this episode.
The previews show Bane coming back so that's all I really care about for now!

[Collie]

Yes, he killed the senator. This is like a graduation show from the usual kids cartoons. People die and it is made apparent.

Depends on one's point of view. High body counts are, shall we say, points off from me.

[ImFromTheMoon]

For the most part they are in order. There was 1 episode that took place before the movie. There was also one that was aired referencing something that happened in a previous episode...except the "previous" episode didn't air until a few weeks later.
For the most part, the story's not really dependant on them being in any kind of order and that's really annoying the SW continuity buffs let me tell you. Supposedly next season is purposely going to jump around the timeline. Why, I have no idea.


There was also that snow-planet episode, where Ahsoka was completely absent. I assumed that one took place before the theatrical movie as well, since there was no mention of her whatsoever.

I am ok with jumping around the timeline as long as the writers can keep continuity straight. The idea of piecing it all together and rewatching it chronologically sounds cool to me. Again, as long as the writers can keep it together enough to avoid any huge contradictions.

[honorableninja]

i like this episode didn't live up to the hype but still good and love the preview Bane i think is going to become what grevrious was when he appeared in the orginal clone wars the series ulmiate villain and possibly from what i saw of the season 2 trailer he might be the one who kills Asoka and pushes Ankain closer to the edge judging from the scene with him strangling her with an energy whip.

[Dex1138]

There was also that snow-planet episode, where Ahsoka was completely absent. I assumed that one took place before the theatrical movie as well, since there was no mention of her whatsoever.

They put up episode guides on starwars.com after the shows air. The only one they have officially said if pre-movie is the Hidden Enemy which had the clone traitor.
It's possible the snow planet one was before the movie of course :) I have a feeling as this goes on the continuity's going to be harder to keep track of than Lost.

[JAG]

Decent episode. Like many of you, I enjoyed seeing a competant villain for a change. That's something we need more of: Sep victories. We hear about them, but we don't often see them. (The Battle of Hypori, from the old CW series, being a high-quality exception.:evil: )

Anyway, this ep had a few flaws: Ziro, for one. Somebody needs to kill him in the most graphic manner the show can get away with. Also, how, precisely, did Bane escape? By blowing up the Senate building, he lost his one advantage. Coruscant Security Force (the police) and Homeworld Security clones should have been all over him eight seconds later. On the off-chance he could even make it to a ship, he would then have to break through the gigantic Home Fleet in orbit. Possible, but not likely.

Too bad Season 2 isn't until Fall. I have a long list of things I'd like to see in upcoming eps. First and foremost, let's ramp up the scale of the battles. Let's see soldiers on both sides numbering in the thousands, not just more of this squad vs. platoon stuff we've mostly been focusing on so far.

I'd also like to see: clone special forces, Shaak Ti, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Sesae Tiin, returns by the supporting Jedi we've seen so far, more of the vehicles and weapons (hailfire droids, TX-130 tanks, spider droids, etc.), and Grievous back to his former Jedi-killing glory. I'd especially like to see Kamino, and the clones being trained there. That has a lot of story potential. Same with Padawan training at the Jedi Temple. For example, they could back up and show some of Ahsoka's experiences there before she was assigned to work with Anakin. Here's hoping.

[Alph]

Am I the only one that was bothered by the fact that Anakin apparently forgot how to use his force powers, except for the one moment where he pushed that robot guy away? I don't understand why he didn't use the force to smack them against the wall or take away their guns or something while they passed by him.

And then he stands there pushing the button to open the door, getting himself potentially killed in the process, when he could have opened it with the force.

And what happened to his Jedi senses? Shouldn't he have been aware of someone coming at him from behind? It happened twice in the row.

I know the point they were trying to get at: "Obi-wan said in episode two that a Jedi's lightsaber is his life, so now we're going to show you why". But that's mainly against other force users or large groups of opponents. There's no reason an unarmed Jedi should have so much trouble against two non-force-sensitive opponents, especially when he had the element of surprise.


That said, the rest of the episode was really good. Especially Cad Bane.