View Full Version : Can someone explain this to me?
Yusuke Urameshi
12-22-2008, 09:46 PM
Why can a network that has shows that are doing well suddenly out of nowhere just yank them of the air?
I find this to be a complete mystery to me and need some enlightenment.
EXAMPLES:
-Naruto
-Fosters Home For Imaginary Friends
Sorry for not adding examples b4.
Racattack!Force
12-22-2008, 09:49 PM
Why can a network that has shows that are doing well suddenly out of nowhere just yank them of the air?
I find this to be a complete mystery to me and need some enlightenment.Examples are...
Mugsy
12-22-2008, 09:51 PM
Why can a network that has shows that are doing well suddenly out of nowhere just yank them of the air?
I find this to be a complete mystery to me and need some enlightenment.
Like what, dude?
Sketch
12-22-2008, 09:51 PM
Well first the question must be posed... what defines "doing well"? If the network didn't consider a show to be doing well then it'll be removed whether or not it was or wasn't reaching a large enough audience.
As for why shows seemingly "doing well" by the network's standards dissapearing... could be contracts, it could be a falling out between some companies, it could be the new management wanting to get rid of the old and bring in the new. Reguardless of the reason, the network pull shows when they feel they should. This may or may not have been a good idea depending on the circumstance but it's what we have to live with.
Blackstar
12-22-2008, 09:54 PM
Why can a network that has shows that are doing well suddenly out of nowhere just yank them of the air?
I find this to be a complete mystery to me and need some enlightenment.
The Tednut is right. If you're going to make a statement like the above, you'll have to provide some examples of shows that were canceled despite their doing well in the ratings so people will better understand the point that you're trying to make, otherwise, this comes as just another "I hate CN because they canceled one of my favorite shows!" thread.
maczero
12-22-2008, 09:56 PM
Why can a network that has shows that are doing well suddenly out of nowhere just yank them of the air?
I find this to be a complete mystery to me and need some enlightenment.
Translation: Why did all my favorite shows get cancelled?
Mugsy
12-22-2008, 09:57 PM
Well first the question must be posed... what defines "doing well"? If the network didn't consider a show to be doing well then it'll be removed whether or not it was or wasn't reaching a large enough audience.
As for why shows seemingly "doing well" by the network's standards dissapearing... could be contracts, it could be a falling out between some companies, it could be the new management wanting to get rid of the old and bring in the new. Reguardless of the reason, the network pull shows when they feel they should. This may or may not have been a good idea depending on the circumstance but it's what we have to live with.
Thats a very good point about the contracts, a lot of times it's something as simple as managment not wanting to renew a contract or agreement. It's a shame when that happens, but Thats business I suppose....
rainstorm46
12-22-2008, 11:48 PM
Sometimes creators dont want to work on shows anymore. I think that was the case with Courage the Cowardly Dog.
jcalamil
12-23-2008, 12:46 AM
The Tednut is right. If you're going to make a statement like the above, you'll have to provide some examples of shows that were canceled despite their doing well in the ratings so people will better understand the point that you're trying to make, otherwise, this comes as just another "I hate CN because they canceled one of my favorite shows!" thread.
wich shows were your favorites ones?
jcalamil
12-23-2008, 12:49 AM
Sometimes creators dont want to work on shows anymore. I think that was the case with Courage the Cowardly Dog.
But if the creator doesn't mind in making at least a few ones? but fans want a "few more" at least and no more, ¿why?, to tell you the truth, !!it really sucks!!
Silverstar
12-23-2008, 08:21 AM
But if the creator doesn't mind in making at least a few ones? but fans want a "few more" at least and no more, ¿why?, to tell you the truth, !!it really sucks!!
As predicted, this is just another "I can't deal with the fact that my favorite shows are canceled" squawk thread.
Folks, all things come to an end at some point, including our favorite TV shows. The reasons why can and will vary, but at the end of the day, the results are the same: shows go away after a while. It happens. My advice? Accept it and deal. That's life. Getting all whiny and melodramatic over the cancellation of a TV show is silly and pointless. There are far more important things to stress out and exert energy over than the loss of a television show.
Jayngfet
12-23-2008, 08:33 PM
But if the creator doesn't mind in making at least a few ones? but fans want a "few more" at least and no more, ¿why?, to tell you the truth, !!it really sucks!!
You do realize it takes months to make a "few more" episodes of anything well done, right?
Beefy
12-24-2008, 10:53 AM
As Sketch said, it's out with the old, in with the new.
Anything that's over two years old is expendable.
The cycle has been repeated many times before:
-The network gets a new shiny show
-The network removes most or all of its older shows
-The network tries to cram the new shiny show down your throat by airing it at least three times a day
If advertising doesn't sell anymore, it's time to cancel the show.
Sorry, but that's how things work.
Daxdiv
12-24-2008, 01:39 PM
If advertising doesn't sell anymore, it's time to cancel the show.
Sorry, but that's how things work.
But what if they don't advertise a show... at ALL? It doesn't seem fair that we never got an ad for One Piece when FUNi had it here in America, but Australia gets an old ad from the UK to promote One Piece over there.
But what if they don't advertise a show... at ALL? It doesn't seem fair that we never got an ad for One Piece when FUNi had it here in America, but Australia gets an old ad from the UK to promote One Piece over there.
That would probably be because the show is no longer profitable to advertise.
It's a vicious circle.
Daxdiv
12-24-2008, 02:24 PM
That would probably be because the show is no longer profitable to advertise.
It's a vicious circle.
But they rarely advertised Toonami when it went down to the 2-hour block, which makes me question even more why they didn't mercy kill the block earlier.
But they rarely advertised Toonami when it went down to the 2-hour block, which makes me question even more why they didn't mercy kill the block earlier.
...because it dropped in the ratings. As I said, vicious circle.
I guess they decided to keep Toonami for that long simply because they didn't have anything to fill the void until YAH came along.
Kagetsu
12-24-2008, 04:31 PM
1, the network contracted for only enough episodes for viewers to say "meh"
2, reruns of other shows can get better ratings
3, a series from an overseas producer makes final episodes "Darker" or "flirty-er" than soccer moms/hatemail will let alone.
4, as far as I know only Judd Warwick(?) said "pfft, I don't care anymore"
There really is no excuse for the end of Samurai Jack. other than "just give us whatever crap will finish the contract. :sad:
Racattack!Force
12-24-2008, 05:45 PM
There really is no excuse for the end of Samurai Jack. other than "just give us whatever crap will finish the contract. :sad:There's going to be a theatrical movie. :sweat:
There's going to be a theatrical movie. :sweat:
Wait a minute hasn't that movie been in the development heck for like 3 years now?
Racattack!Force
12-24-2008, 05:56 PM
Wait a minute hasn't that movie been in the development heck for like 3 years now?No, it has been chugging along at Frederator Studios. It will go into full-speed once Genndy Tartakovsky is done with his other projects.
jcalamil
12-24-2008, 06:18 PM
changing the topic, ¿are the shows that are still airing having advertisings?
Racattack!Force
12-24-2008, 06:24 PM
changing the topic, ¿are the shows that are still airing having advertisings?If they have new episodes.
Blackstar
12-24-2008, 06:28 PM
changing the topic, ¿are the shows that are still airing having advertisings?
If said shows are still in production and have new episodes coming down the pike, then yes. If they're out of production and are just airing in reruns, then there's no reason to advertise them.
Antiyonder
12-27-2008, 04:35 PM
As for why shows seemingly "doing well" by the network's standards dissapearing... could be contracts, it could be a falling out between some companies, it could be the new management wanting to get rid of the old and bring in the new.
For a cartoon, getting 65 episodes isn't a minor accomplishment. Any show that can get that much deserves to be played on basic cable.
As predicted, this is just another "I can't deal with the fact that my favorite shows are canceled" squawk thread.
Folks, all things come to an end at some point, including our favorite TV shows. The reasons why can and will vary, but at the end of the day, the results are the same: shows go away after a while. It happens. My advice? Accept it and deal. That's life. Getting all whiny and melodramatic over the cancellation of a TV show is silly and pointless. There are far more important things to stress out and exert energy over than the loss of a television show.
As Sketch said, it's out with the old, in with the new.
Anything that's over two years old is expendable.
The cycle has been repeated many times before:
-The network gets a new shiny show
-The network removes most or all of its older shows
-The network tries to cram the new shiny show down your throat by airing it at least three times a day
I can appreciate replacing an old show with a new show, but replacing an old show with repeats of another title, is rediculous.
Not counting Adult Swim, CN has 16 hours. You can fit about 32 different titles in that time span. Between all of the current programs they have, they don't have enough to fill those gaps (plus they have a low episode count on top of that), therefore, I don't buy the idea that they can't fit more older programs in the line up.
I can understand if they choose to withhold a canceled classic from the network, but if a show makes it up to 65 episodes or higher, I think it would do well regardless of it's status.
Cartoon1
12-27-2008, 05:12 PM
Because they want to. They feel, if they add new shows, there ratings will go up. They feel if they keep on repeating the old shows from like 5 years ago over and over and over, there auidance might not like it and not watch it. Besides, there has to be new shows in there channel sometime. I wonder why Nick diden't do that for spongebob yet :confused:
Mugsy
12-27-2008, 05:49 PM
Because they want to. They feel, if they add new shows, there ratings will go up. They feel if they keep on repeating the old shows from like 5 years ago over and over and over, there auidance might not like it and not watch it. Besides, there has to be new shows in there channel sometime. I wonder why Nick diden't do that for spongebob yet :confused:
Spongebob needs to go away, in fact Nick needs to go away....oh how that would make me so happy.
Nickelodeon was once good IMO, between 1988-1993.....
DarthGonzo
12-27-2008, 05:53 PM
Spongebob needs to go away, in fact Nick needs to go away....oh how that would make me so happy.
So you don't like it therefore it needs to go away which in turn deprives the people who watch it of the shows they like?
I can't believe your actually wishing for a cable network to go away. You'd really be happy if that happened?
Why??
Mugsy
12-27-2008, 06:07 PM
So you don't like it therefore it needs to go away which in turn deprives the people who watch it of the shows they like?
I can't believe your actually wishing for a cable network to go away. You'd really be happy if that happened?
Why??
I just dislike it and the shows in which it airs. I know people do enjoy it and Thats cool, to each their own, but if it was not on anymore I wouldn't mind that either. I guess I'm indifferent....
Silverstar
12-27-2008, 07:19 PM
:^: You know people who like Spongebob and the Nick shows, yet you still want the channel to go away, thereby depriving them of something they enjoy. Luthy, you've got some 'splainin' to do.
If a show or channel isn't to your liking, simply avoid it; ignore it, don't watch it. Don't give yourself the displeasure of sitting through it. That's an easy solution which makes a ton more sense than wishing an entire network would cease to exist, depriving millions of people of entertainment and costing millions of jobs just because 1 or 2 shows on it don't meet one person's particular standards.
I've never understood the "I don't like this show/channel/celebrity, therefore it needs to die" mentality. At all.
Mugsy
12-27-2008, 07:31 PM
:^: You know people who like Spongebob and the Nick shows, yet you still want the channel to go away, thereby depriving them of something they enjoy. Luthy, you've got some 'splainin' to do.
If a show or channel isn't to your liking, simply avoid it; ignore it, don't watch it. Don't give yourself the displeasure of sitting through it. That's an easy solution which makes a ton more sense than wishing an entire network would cease to exist, depriving millions of people of entertainment and costing millions of jobs just because 1 or 2 shows on it don't meet one person's particular standards.
I've never understood the "I don't like this show/channel/celebrity, therefore it needs to die" mentality. At all.
I do avoid it, I do dislike it and I didn't mean to complain about it, I'm indifferent as to it's existance, sorry of my post from before was confusing. Although a part of me wants it to go away another part of me wants it to dump the non-animated crap and fire up some good toons....
Antiyonder
12-27-2008, 08:39 PM
Because they want to. They feel, if they add new shows, there ratings will go up.
Which I don't see as being problematic, it's when they replace the old show with repeat that I find it to be a bad move.
They feel if they keep on repeating the old shows from like 5 years ago over and over and over, there auidance might not like it and not watch it.
Old shows or New, I don't really see the need to take an extreme on either side. Take out the multiple airings of the current/new programs and you have enough room for some oldies.
As for the whole "repeating the old shows from like 5 years ago over and over and over", there's a simple matter of rotation so that no particular show is reran to death. Take a couple of examples from Hanna Barbera and Cartoons Cartoons:
1. 7:00 AM would be for The Flinstones and Jetsons. After all of the Flintstones episodes air, then replace it with the Jetsons. After all of the Jetsons episodes air, replace it with The Flintstones.
2. 7:00 PM would be for Ed Edd And Eddy and The Powerpuff Girls. After all of the Ed Edd And Eddy episodes air, replace it with The Powerpuff Girls. After all of the episodes of The Powerpuff Girls air, replace it with Ed Edd and Eddy.
The trick is to refrain from airing a particular rerun 100 times in a row.
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